: So how many of y’all quitting over this then? None? K Downvotes aren’t calls to action, hunties. That’s just cognitive dissonance and admitting I’m right
> Downvotes aren’t calls to action, hunties. That’s just cognitive dissonance and admitting I’m right Yeah you tell yourself that buddy lmao
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: The only way she can use that "AoE burst" is when she catches the majority of the enemy team into it. She has to set that up, just like Gnar does. That's like saying that Jinx can get a penta with one ult because it's AoE burst but ignoring the fact that everyone needs to be in the same spot and low on HP for that to happen. >The problem comes when an Assassin has so much impact in teamfights with cc and AoE burst. The "problem" is that the premise of her being an LCS pick is an excuse for people to call her overpowered when in fact any champion that's an LCS pick is already a staple meta pick and can be called the same.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=fhEM4Jn9,comment-id=0001000000030000,timestamp=2019-08-20T22:06:04.980+0000) > > The only way she can use that "AoE burst" is when she catches the majority of the enemy team into it. She has to set that up, just like Gnar does. That's like saying that Jinx can get a penta with one ult because it's AoE burst but ignoring the fact that everyone needs to be in the same spot and low on HP for that to happen. Most of the time she doesn't even need to catch the entire enemy team, just catching the adc is already an extremely big blow to the enemy team, also her stun zones people away, it also deals her execution damage. Jinx getting a penta with ult is as likely as xerath getting a new skin, it will happen at some point, but it's extremely rare. > The "problem" is that the premise of her being an LCS pick is an excuse for people to call her overpowered when in fact any champion that's an LCS pick is already a staple meta pick and can be called the same. She is very strong in organized play and her kit is made for that. she impacts teamfights way too much for an assassin. Also the fact that she's a staple meta pick already means that she's basically top tier, especially in the game's current nature
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Says the guy who named himself Shaco. Nah, she isn't broken. She's just a combo assassin like Fizz and Zed. If you remove the kill potential from assassins, what's left for them to be played for? They don't have utility and even if they did (like Qiyana's R), do you really think she'd be a viable pick if all there was to her gameplay pattern was to be an ult bot?
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=fhEM4Jn9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-19T19:32:34.489+0000) > > Says the guy who named himself Shaco. > Nah, she isn't broken. She's just a combo assassin like Fizz and Zed. > If you remove the kill potential from assassins, what's left for them to be played for? They don't have utility and even if they did (like Qiyana's R), do you really think she'd be a viable pick if all there was to her gameplay pattern was to be an ult bot? Except that she's an assassin with a glorified Gnar ult that chunks people for half their HP and mechanics in her kit that make it so it's impossible for her to miss her Q (E+Q auto aim) Fizz, on the other hand has a teamfighting ult that in the best scenario will one shot the squishy IF you land it on said squishy. Zed also can only ever one shot a single person and his kit is designed for that. Qiyana literally bursts in an area then picks whoever she wants to kill. The problem comes when an Assassin has so much impact in teamfights with cc and AoE burst.
: How does he land a hook if opponents can freely hide inside their minions? If you let the toggle affect it, it removes a huge amount of safety against his Q. If you don't, his opponents gain all the advantages of being behind minions (safety from his Q, preventing Blitz from running up to them) with none of the downsides (Can still run forward freely and don't have to go around minions to be aggressive, don't get caught up in the middle of the wave and risk being walked up to). There's no way to actually change that and still have it be fair. As much as people hate minion block, it's a necessary evil as long as Blitz's Q and any ability like it (which ranges from {{champion:266}}'s W to {{champion:142}}'s E, with at least a hundred abilities between them) still exists.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PbpJXfZ2,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T06:29:32.990+0000) > > How does he land a hook if opponents can freely hide inside their minions? > > If you let the toggle affect it, it removes a huge amount of safety against his Q. If you don't, his opponents gain all the advantages of being behind minions (safety from his Q, preventing Blitz from running up to them) with none of the downsides (Can still run forward freely and don't have to go around minions to be aggressive, don't get caught up in the middle of the wave and risk being walked up to). > > There's no way to actually change that and still have it be fair. As much as people hate minion block, it's a necessary evil as long as Blitz's Q and any ability like it (which ranges from {{champion:266}}'s W to {{champion:142}}'s E, with at least a hundred abilities between them) still exists. If you're playing blitz and they're walking up to you for free then that's not the minion's fault but the Blitz player, Zoe can easily use her bubble alongside R to set it up or use it on someone, same with Aatrox... If you depend on a flaw in the game to land abilities then i'm sorry but maybe it's more your fault than anything.
: That handles Cho'gath and Teemo. What about Blitzcrank?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PbpJXfZ2,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T02:36:00.529+0000) > > That handles Cho'gath and Teemo. What about Blitzcrank? No Idea what you mean, he'd still be able to land hooks on opponents like normal, can engage running through his own minions and no problems, I fail to see the issue here
: > [{quoted}](name=Sebastit7d,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uOUchTr1,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-08-18T23:43:09.298+0000) > > You literally disproved your own argument, You pay 15$ to be allowed to grind for a prestige skin and unlock shitty missions. it's literally pay to grind. The moment you pay the 15$ you get rewarded with absolutely nothing but rather have to grind your ass off and the reward is that you get to choose what to buy in the end. The paywall isn't the prestige skin, the paywall is for the right to grind. No? The only missions you unlock are for prestige points, yknow the shit you have to pay for already? Also, you do get something, as you get tokens and orbs just for buying the pass. Also, wdym "paywall to grind"? It's not a paywall if it's not something the average player is going to even do or care about.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uOUchTr1,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-08-19T00:04:53.163+0000) > > No? The only missions you unlock are for prestige points, yknow the shit you have to pay for already? Also, you do get something, as you get tokens and orbs just for buying the pass. Also, wdym "paywall to grind"? It's not a paywall if it's not something the average player is going to even do or care about. You don't get all the missions for the event unless you pay. you only get enough to get some things, nothing else, the pass unlocks every mission and dailies to get tokens everyday to get everything else, plus getting tokens every game to spend on anything else. Pay. To. Grind.
: You can't think of a single reason? Okay, here's three: {{champion:17}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:53}}. **Teemo** because this fucker could literally sit inside a super minion and become actually immune to autos while the super minion was alive. **Cho'gath** because he could just sit on top of a cannon minion to deny it to you, because you'd be physically incapable of attacking it. **Blitzcrank** as representing all champions with a skillshot that can be stopped by minions. Removing allied minion block removes the downsides to hiding behind minions against him and all champions like him - You cannot easily hard-engage through your own minion line. While champions smaller than super minions, larger than cannon minions, and champions with skillshot stopped by minions exist, allied minion block is vital.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PbpJXfZ2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-17T11:57:18.951+0000) > > You can't think of a single reason? Okay, here's three: > > {{champion:17}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:53}}. > > **Teemo** because this fucker could literally sit inside a super minion and become actually immune to autos while the super minion was alive. > > **Cho'gath** because he could just sit on top of a cannon minion to deny it to you, because you'd be physically incapable of attacking it. > > **Blitzcrank** as representing all champions with a skillshot that can be stopped by minions. Removing allied minion block removes the downsides to hiding behind minions against him and all champions like him - You cannot easily hard-engage through your own minion line. > > While champions smaller than super minions, larger than cannon minions, and champions with skillshot stopped by minions exist, allied minion block is vital. That can easily be fixed by giving pseudo transparency so you can see an outline of units behind champions and viceversa, and learn to use "target champions only" or "Target minions only". There are plenty of ways to fix it without ruining the game's health.
: While I'm not saying Riot isn't making mistakes, what I am saying is this video is biased and loaded as hell. "Event passes are putting a playable aspect of the game behind a paywall" No, that's not at all how that works. No event, NOT A SINGLE ONE, has had it so you couldn't do missions without the pass. You can do missions and earn at least one big thing or multiple little things completely free, just for playing. Passes are only meant for people who wanna blow 15$ who grind a lot to be rewarded for their grinding. There is no "paywall", unless you mean that there's a "paywall" on prestige skins. To which I say, well they're skins, the fuck you expect? "They rarely add content, and when they do it's locked behind a paywall" So besides specifically eternals, what the hell does this even mean? I'm sorry, when was the last time a new champ or patch every 2 weeks costed you money? If you want to critique Riot on their poor choices, that's fine, maybe they'll wake the hell up. But this isn't that, this is a bias charged video made to stir up a mob of people who are already mad about eternals.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uOUchTr1,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-18T02:37:38.310+0000) > > While I'm not saying Riot isn't making mistakes, what I am saying is this video is biased and loaded as hell. > > "Event passes are putting a playable aspect of the game behind a paywall" > No, that's not at all how that works. No event, NOT A SINGLE ONE, has had it so you couldn't do missions without the pass. You can do missions and earn at least one big thing or multiple little things completely free, just for playing. Passes are only meant for people who wanna blow 15$ who grind a lot to be rewarded for their grinding. There is no "paywall", unless you mean that there's a "paywall" on prestige skins. To which I say, well they're skins, the fuck you expect? > > "They rarely add content, and when they do it's locked behind a paywall" > So besides specifically eternals, what the hell does this even mean? I'm sorry, when was the last time a new champ or patch every 2 weeks costed you money? > > If you want to critique Riot on their poor choices, that's fine, maybe they'll wake the hell up. But this isn't that, this is a bias charged video made to stir up a mob of people who are already mad about eternals. You literally disproved your own argument, You pay 15$ to be allowed to grind for a prestige skin and unlock shitty missions. it's literally pay to grind. The moment you pay the 15$ you get rewarded with absolutely nothing but rather have to grind your ass off and the reward is that you get to choose what to buy in the end. The paywall isn't the prestige skin, the paywall is for the right to grind.
: Vote all you want. Not gonna happen, buddy. No matter how logical and beneficial this suggestion is, making this game better isn't high on the radar at the moment.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkstar Annie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PbpJXfZ2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-17T02:35:23.514+0000) > > Vote all you want. Not gonna happen, buddy. No matter how logical and beneficial this suggestion is, making this game better isn't high on the radar at the moment. And it will never be high on the radar unless enough people raise awareness of it. That's why I post this :)
: And who, dare I ask, do you think they should hire to work on balance? If you're saying the current balance team is full of third-rate cooks, please feel free to mention whoever the Gordon Ramsay of MOBA balance is. But, knowing already that you can't, let's talk about why throwing more money at this perceived problem would or wouldn't actually work. I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't. Like I said before, having a larger team to disagree and argue about things wouldn't lead to better decisions. And in lieu of hiring someone from another, more successful, more balanced MOBA to work on their game (in other words, someone who doesn't exist), there really isn't another option besides leaving them as-is. Except for maybe leaving the game stagnant for several months, to really give them heaps of data to work with and allow players more than enough time to adjust to a steady state before deciding what needs changing.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2jX9LcRj,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-08-17T02:36:49.937+0000) > > And who, dare I ask, do you think they should hire to work on balance? If you're saying the current balance team is full of third-rate cooks, please feel free to mention whoever the Gordon Ramsay of MOBA balance is. > > But, knowing already that you can't, let's talk about why throwing more money at this perceived problem would or wouldn't actually work. > > I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't. Like I said before, having a larger team to disagree and argue about things wouldn't lead to better decisions. And in lieu of hiring someone from another, more successful, more balanced MOBA to work on their game (in other words, someone who doesn't exist), there really isn't another option besides leaving them as-is. > > Except for maybe leaving the game stagnant for several months, to really give them heaps of data to work with and allow players more than enough time to adjust to a steady state before deciding what needs changing. And the fact that you're so shallow as to believe game development is the work of only 1 person is just as silly. I'm not asking for the "messiah" of game balance. But the game really needs changes in their work culture and philosophy. There are a lot of problems, Not only balance-wise, that have solutions that are very obvious, but they always take too long on even the simple tasks, almost like the ones leading fail to efficiently make decisions. A bigger team isn't the solution because of the reason you mentioned, multiple opinions lead to chaos and decisions are hard to make, but a good leader that leads teams into a vision is what is needed. The biggest issue right now in my opinion is that the current vision they're following is to make as much money in the short term as possible by making changes that favor popular things over what would be logically healthier to the game. Take for example Riven, she got a nerf to her E, that is fair, she was an extremely problematic champion, but since she is extremely popular they gave her buffs to make up for it, even though that was still unhealthy for the game, look at her now, she's still an extremely problematic champion. Or Lux, which LS confirmed is getting her shield buffed after her nerfs because of her unhealthy prescence as a support just because her sales were dropping. Most champions that are problematic and popular usually have an easier time with nerfs because they are guaranteed not to get so harshly nerfed because they're extremely popular. Look at Yasuo, he has always been in the top banned champions across the main regions across a lot of ranks, yet still no signs of a mini rework or changes to him in sight in the nearest future. Why? Because it's one of the most popular champions, so they compromise game health for sales. It sucks but it is how it is.
: "Why the actual fuck is the janitor cleaning windows instead of teaching astrophysics?" People have different jobs. The people in charge of things like this do not make balance decisions.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2jX9LcRj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T21:53:08.169+0000) > > "Why the actual fuck is the janitor cleaning windows instead of teaching astrophysics?" > > People have different jobs. The people in charge of things like this do not make balance decisions. Yeah but money that goes into funding projects is being spent on projects that people either don't want them or that are extremely bad executed. it's not as simple as "oh different teams" It's the fact that they keep putting effort in things that aren't as important. It's as if you went to a restaurant and you only had a team of like 10 designers that work on making the plates look nice and all, but 1 3rd rate cook that makes meals that taste terrible. The problem lies in that the restaurant will have bad reviews because of it.
Rioter Comments
Levıathan (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Frost Hellfire,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E9Mc2Oqb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-15T13:01:53.989+0000) > > Custom map skins would be lit. Ya know, since they've already turned their backs on the custom skin community. While I totally agree, the maps would be amazing and I wanted to include them on the list too, but they could have an unfortunate turn and cause some unfair advantages like seeing the abilities better, or the opposite, where you can't see the ability.
> [{quoted}](name=Levıathan,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E9Mc2Oqb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-15T14:43:09.748+0000) > > While I totally agree, the maps would be amazing and I wanted to include them on the list too, but they could have an unfortunate turn and cause some unfair advantages like seeing the abilities better, or the opposite, where you can't see the ability. But only you would see the map skin you choose, besides, fixing that wouldn't be too hard as it is changing a bit of the color scheme of certain abilities as it would be very specific cases. It really isn't too hard.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sebastit7d,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IojTHu2x,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T02:22:40.722+0000) > > But it will when eternals come out! :D Holy fuck I can’t believe I have to explain this. ETERNALS ARE NOT NECESSARY TO PROGRESS IN THE GAME. YOU STILL GET FULL GAMEPLAY WITHOUT BUYING ETERNALS. ALL YOU GET FROM ETERNALS IS A GLORIFIED COUNTER ON WHAT BUTTON YOUVE PRESSED. Like I know how r%%%%%ed it is to put something like Eternals behind a pay wall, but they way the boards have reacted makes it look like you NEED eternals to play the game. You don’t.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowplosion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IojTHu2x,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-15T17:02:38.582+0000) > > Holy fuck I can’t believe I have to explain this. ETERNALS ARE NOT NECESSARY TO PROGRESS IN THE GAME. YOU STILL GET FULL GAMEPLAY WITHOUT BUYING ETERNALS. ALL YOU GET FROM ETERNALS IS A GLORIFIED COUNTER ON WHAT BUTTON YOUVE PRESSED. > > Like I know how r%%%%%ed it is to put something like Eternals behind a pay wall, but they way the boards have reacted makes it look like you NEED eternals to play the game. You don’t. Haven't you considered the posibility YOU are the one assuming people treat it as if it was a necessary feature? No, no one has ever expressed it as if it was mandatory, and yes, it is a form of progression just like how mastery is another form of progression. Does it affect your progress in the game? Not at all. do you still get the exact same gameplay by having high mastery? Yes! Then why is one of these basic features locked behind a pay wall? It's as if you got charged at mcdonalds for straws so you can drink. Or even more dumb yet, imagine them charging you so the box your burger comes in has a different design. It makes no sense.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tailypo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PnBVAN3H,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T15:10:45.597+0000) > > What a scam LUL For only $200,000 plus interest on your student loans, you can get a piece of paper that says you went to this institution! \#exclusive \#prestigious
> [{quoted}](name=How Do You Meta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PnBVAN3H,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T15:12:19.554+0000) > > For only $200,000 plus interest on your student loans, you can get a piece of paper that says you went to this institution! > \#exclusive > \#prestigious Hey, you get rewarded with rarity you know?
: progression is RANKED so yeah you lose sorry to break it to you.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IojTHu2x,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-15T02:41:18.733+0000) > > progression is RANKED > so yeah > you lose > sorry to break it to you. Achievements are a form of progression. Sorry to break it to you.
: Progression doesn't cost...
> [{quoted}](name=saphireflame123,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IojTHu2x,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T00:10:54.607+0000) > > Progression doesn't cost... But it will when eternals come out! :D
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sebastit7d,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WTUA5fly,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2019-08-13T21:26:03.504+0000) > > They're not going to buy it, but you can express how you're against their scummy tactics. That's kind of the whole point of forums, not just lick Riot's boots. No, most of this forum just whines uncontrollably. It's why many of Riot doesn't even bother to come here cause no one actually puts thought into most of what is said here. It's the same nonsense over and over. Like the OP, there's no structure here, nothing to actually build a real discussion on cause they didn't take time to write out something that has any kind of thought or depth to it. So why would Riot care? Why would anyone actually take this seriously? They just said "We want this" which actually translates to "I don't like it". Cause "We" is another thing highly overused here, as people continually think that WE are all the SAME, and that WE can't think for ourselves. I for one find it to be an interesting idea, maybe no executed in a great way, but that's what it is. Big companies aren't going to listen to a very small group as that is what the forum is anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WTUA5fly,comment-id=000600020000,timestamp=2019-08-13T21:32:28.824+0000) > > No, most of this forum just whines uncontrollably. It's why many of Riot doesn't even bother to come here cause no one actually puts thought into most of what is said here. It's the same nonsense over and over. Like the OP, there's no structure here, nothing to actually build a real discussion on cause they didn't take time to write out something that has any kind of thought or depth to it. So why would Riot care? Why would anyone actually take this seriously? > > They just said "We want this" which actually translates to "I don't like it". Cause "We" is another thing highly overused here, as people continually think that WE are all the SAME, and that WE can't think for ourselves. I for one find it to be an interesting idea, maybe no executed in a great way, but that's what it is. Big companies aren't going to listen to a very small group as that is what the forum is anyway. I would agree with you when it comes to promoting reasonable discussion. But when you come and your argument is "Don't like it then don't buy it", you can't expect anyone to want to try and reason with you as you clearly only care about the positive opinions that you agree with it. Also have you tried thinking why it is that people are complaining about this system? It's literally an achievement system, that concept, I love because I am an achievement hunter in games and a completionist so it adds a nice touch to the game. But when it's a system that Riot themselves go "If you want us to keep developing this basic feature that games usually have, you have to pay for it." that's when I don't support it. It's not even expensive, but not worth money from the players.
: people buy it, just like they bought the little legends. so whatever complains you got don't matter.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7JZpAz3Z,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-13T17:43:38.549+0000) > > people buy it, just like they bought the little legends. > so whatever complains you got don't matter. Except that Little legends are a cosmetic that makes sense since it's main purpose is to look nice like a skin. Eternals are achievements meant to show skill, time and effort put into getting them, there's no reason to put it behind a paywall, makes absolutely no sense.
Sukishoo (NA)
: If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Hello? No one is forcing anything on you.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WTUA5fly,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-13T18:04:34.130+0000) > > If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Hello? No one is forcing anything on you. They're not going to buy it, but you can express how you're against their scummy tactics. That's kind of the whole point of forums, not just lick Riot's boots.
Nekorus (NA)
: ive never agreed with someone on boards this much lol. except for the frozen mallet removal...dosent make much sense.
> [{quoted}](name=Nekorus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=APxQ77NW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-12T02:33:48.176+0000) > > ive never agreed with someone on boards this much lol. except for the frozen mallet removal...dosent make much sense. Literally only champ that ever buys it is {{champion:150}} and he doesn't exactly need it since he already has his W.
: Riot loves their play makers, meanwhile us enchanters are kinds just rotting in jail for being healers/buffers
> [{quoted}](name=Takane Enomoto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QOln6Zhs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-10T16:54:24.980+0000) > > Riot loves their play makers, meanwhile us enchanters are kinds just rotting in jail for being healers/buffers Both are a problem, both leave no room for interactivity, but riot loves the flashy style of play makers unfortunately so they let them do whatever they want. That is the sad truth.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > Respect is something you earn. Not something you have or you own. That's incorrect. Everyone deserves a bare minimum of respect. It's called manners and human decency. What is to be earned, is trust and total respect beyond that. Similarly, they could also lose respect from that minimum floor. If everyone has to go out of their way to impress you before you would give them the barest minimum of acknowledgement, then you're just an asshole. This is especially true since most people who say this kind of nonsense don't equally apply the same logic onto themselves when it comes to their own interaction with other people.
> [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Wf0Zi8NK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-30T11:46:16.781+0000) > > That's incorrect. > > Everyone deserves a bare minimum of respect. It's called manners and human decency. > I agree with you, If I don't know someone, the default attitude I will have is being polite and respectful, but if you start being a jackass right afterwards you lose the respect. It's simple as that. If I absolutely have to interact with you, then I will just be polite and respectful out of common decency. Otherwise I'll just avoid you. That's how it is. If you want my actual respect back then yes, you do have to earn it.
: Use me as an ''I agree button''.
> [{quoted}](name=Blessed By RNG,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEEmQiLI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-24T14:50:58.780+0000) > > Use me as an ''I agree button''. Or I could just upvote the post. Are you that desperate for upvotes?
mirAcIe (EUW)
: Remember when Riot had guidelines to making skins?
iTs OkAy BeCaUsE tHeY wAnT tO mAkE mOnEy AnD aLl CoMpAnIeS dO tHaT tHe NeW aKaLi SkIn Is PrEtTy GoOd BtW rItO kEeP iT uP
: ThornMail does not accomplish it's anti-aa function.
I agree, but I know that you never really think of thornmail as a must buy but focus on Bramble... after that you just build everything else and complete thornmail just as a formality as you still need the GW. It's pretty lame, I agree.
: Is this a troll post? Why can raka regenerate her hp at hp 100 with all of that by just hitting q. Why can sona just press w, why can someone just press a summoner spell, why does Anivia come back to full hp after dying to ignite. YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY HEALING IN THE GAME. Pyke is not supposed to lose to dot damage it is supposed to be in all that kills him SO YES THAT'S FAIR SINCE YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AROUND HE WEAKNESS.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=opEN1dxf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-23T22:29:45.383+0000) > > Is this a troll post? Why can raka regenerate her hp at hp 100 with all of that by just hitting q. Why can sona just press w, why can someone just press a summoner spell, why does Anivia come back to full hp after dying to ignite. > > YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY HEALING IN THE GAME. > > Pyke is not supposed to lose to dot damage it is supposed to be in all that kills him SO YES THAT'S FAIR SINCE YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AROUND HE WEAKNESS. Because unlike Pyke they have to spend resources to do so... with cooldowns... and in 5x the time? Pyke kinda has to, yknow, walk away for 5 seconds. That's it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mUwfALfy,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2019-07-23T22:15:51.017+0000) > > Because high elo players are usually on the same page about what needs to be done. In low elo, everyone has different priorities in mind, because we kinda suck. We need to get on the same page with strategic communication sometimes. Obviously high elo teams dont need it as much. That's my point; high elo is the model for how the playerbase should be if they were good. I'm saying since high elo players don't use chat, then it must not be *necessary* to use chat, it's just the playerbase (95% i.e. low elo) is bad. ....What im essentially saying is get gud
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mUwfALfy,comment-id=000000040000,timestamp=2019-07-23T22:31:34.486+0000) > > That's my point; high elo is the model for how the playerbase should be if they were good. I'm saying since high elo players don't use chat, then it must not be *necessary* to use chat, it's just the playerbase (95% i.e. low elo) is bad. > > ....What im essentially saying is get gud This makes absolutely no sense. So if you're not on the top 5% of the entire game's playerbase, that means you're bad at the game? How delusional are you? It's like saying you're not good at playing an instrument because there are bands out there filling stadiums and making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now, I'm not saying that a silver 1 player should be considered good but if you're delusional enough to actually believe that unless you're at the very top of the world, you're not decent, that must mean you are actually very insecure and find some sort of artificial confidence in being better than others in a video game. What a clown lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mUwfALfy,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-23T17:19:28.686+0000) > > Oh shit, no way, dude! How can we **both** be bigblackcroc? GatekeeperTDS is just my smurf. Don't ask me if I'm high elo if you're not going to believe me anways. Jesus Christ
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mUwfALfy,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-23T17:40:51.413+0000) > > Don't ask me if I'm high elo if you're not going to believe me anways. Jesus Christ The problem is that you're posting from a completely different account and posting an op.gg with an account with a different name. Unless you're extremely sensitive to what people say to you online, for all we know you just grabbed a random acc you found and posted it. Unless you actually show proof that it's you, no one will believe you. It's that simple.
: i agree the old runes were better, new runes (which arent runes but mastery pages) arent as enjoyable, i would rather have rune pages than mastery pages but riot just removed runes and called masteries runes, i dont know why the current runes are quite problematic, if they were removed the game would become alot more balanced right away the only thing i dont agree with is you saying annie has short range...do you know annies range? her Q has same range as her autos and i think the only people with further autos are like: late game trist and kog with W on and caitlyn i absolutely hate annie, that champ needs RW or deletion asap imo im still waiting for the day riot realizes tanks are good, tanks should exist and be extremely tanky, but like anything tanky you need to make sacrifices, cant wait for them to change the resist scaling so it doesnt fall off as hard but instead starts limiting your damage, theres no reason someone should be able to 100-0 someone if theyve built pure tank and theres no reason a tank should be dying in 3 seconds if theyve built pure tank resistances having diminishing returns is so counter intuitive, its not like u buy a BF sword and it gives u less AD cuz u already have a BF sword not to mention resistances blocking a % of dmg doesnt make alot of sense either, like, if paper provides 1 armor and i have 0 armor and i put the paper on as armor and it blocks 1% of damage then paper could block zero damage, paper could block 100 damage, which doesnt make sense, it has a threshold it can block, its paper
> [{quoted}](name=aLawfulFalafel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o53T214M,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:48:04.301+0000) > > i agree the old runes were better, new runes (which arent runes but mastery pages) arent as enjoyable, i would rather have rune pages than mastery pages but riot just removed runes and called masteries runes, i dont know why > > the current runes are quite problematic, if they were removed the game would become alot more balanced right away > > the only thing i dont agree with is you saying annie has short range...do you know annies range? > her Q has same range as her autos and i think the only people with further autos are like: late game trist and kog with W on and caitlyn > > i absolutely hate annie, that champ needs RW or deletion asap imo > > im still waiting for the day riot realizes tanks are good, tanks should exist and be extremely tanky, but like anything tanky you need to make sacrifices, cant wait for them to change the resist scaling so it doesnt fall off as hard but instead starts limiting your damage, theres no reason someone should be able to 100-0 someone if theyve built pure tank and theres no reason a tank should be dying in 3 seconds if theyve built pure tank > > resistances having diminishing returns is so counter intuitive, its not like u buy a BF sword and it gives u less AD cuz u already have a BF sword > not to mention resistances blocking a % of dmg doesnt make alot of sense either, like, if paper provides 1 armor and i have 0 armor and i put the paper on as armor and it blocks 1% of damage then paper could block zero damage, paper could block 100 damage, which doesnt make sense, it has a threshold it can block, its paper 575 range on auto attacks because Riot wanted to give her "more trading patterns" because point and click stuns and instacast stun that is also a nuke isn't enough, they had to also give her a painful lane to deal against, fuck that champion for real.
: Then just quit the game. If you try to justify not quitting the game despite clearly not enjoying it then you're mentally ill
> [{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bAsiT1Pi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-18T12:05:55.780+0000) > > Then just quit the game. > > If you try to justify not quitting the game despite clearly not enjoying it then you're mentally ill Again, I've invested a lot of time and money into this game, it's only natural i'd come back every now and then, I'm just expressing how displeased I am about the game in its current state. There's nothing wrong with that.
Smyxie (EUNE)
: Start playing World of Warcraft you are gonna lose enough time here. :D
> [{quoted}](name=Smyxie,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bAsiT1Pi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:05:03.732+0000) > > Start playing World of Warcraft you are gonna lose enough time here. :D Ye, I've been playing on a private server and it's been pretty fun!
Moody P (NA)
: then take a longer vacation, I'm not sure why you guys play this game so much when you're so vocal about hating it
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bAsiT1Pi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-18T11:12:29.167+0000) > > then take a longer vacation, I'm not sure why you guys play this game so much when you're so vocal about hating it Because it's a game I've invested plenty of time and money into so it sucks that it's been going downhill? Only giving poisitive feedback and never having complaints is even worse. I never said I hated the game, I'm only saying how bad it currently feels to play and how most if not all decisions they've made recently have been bad in my opinion. I want the game to be fun for me again. There's nothing wrong with expressing how I feel about it lmao.
Salron (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K4n6HevT,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T22:47:35.021+0000) > > Since the game is too unstable with so many generic things not working, I would say that it's a pretty accurate evaluation. No it's not because Riot doesn't fucking "roll back" patches
> [{quoted}](name=Salron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K4n6HevT,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-17T22:49:11.644+0000) > > No it's not because Riot doesn't fucking "roll back" patches They don't test them either, apparently. In cases like this where the game becomes extremely unstable, you'd expect a multi million company to know when to delay or pull back a patch until it's actually ready to be shipped.
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: played my first ranked today, not a single mob dropped an item, gave me a bunch of gold which undoubtedly led me to have a stronger early game than everyone else and then i was last pick on the first 3 carousels, where there were expensive champs with good items for all the people who already had items from PVE and now they get expensive champs which makes all the gold i received earlier less meaningful AND they have items, then after 3 carousels everyone uses their items to destroy me, 4th carousel rolls around, nothing but armor and MR and no expensive champs on 4TH CAROUSEL so i get my 4th item of the game, on a 2 gold champ, these 4 items i have dont make anything good, in my next fight i face someone with 4 completed items on their champs and a component sitting on deck, they wreck me and deal 33(+) damage and kill me unless im getting 20 gold then i dont want gold instead of an item, and even still, id give up 20 gold for an item any day but rarely would i give up an item for 20 gold also if getting gold is equivelent of getting an item then you should be able to sell items for gold, but you cant sell items for gold, because items are worth too much, but then why am i losing items for a pittance of gold? riot logic doesnt follow riot logic smh
> [{quoted}](name=aLawfulFalafel,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=IjMucYOF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-17T18:42:05.054+0000) > > played my first ranked today, not a single mob dropped an item, gave me a bunch of gold which undoubtedly led me to have a stronger early game than everyone else and then i was last pick on the first 3 carousels, where there were expensive champs with good items for all the people who already had items from PVE and now they get expensive champs which makes all the gold i received earlier less meaningful AND they have items, then after 3 carousels everyone uses their items to destroy me, 4th carousel rolls around, nothing but armor and MR and no expensive champs on 4TH CAROUSEL so i get my 4th item of the game, on a 2 gold champ, these 4 items i have dont make anything good, in my next fight i face someone with 4 completed items on their champs and a component sitting on deck, they wreck me and deal 33(+) damage and kill me > > unless im getting 20 gold then i dont want gold instead of an item, and even still, id give up 20 gold for an item any day but rarely would i give up an item for 20 gold > > also if getting gold is equivelent of getting an item then you should be able to sell items for gold, but you cant sell items for gold, because items are worth too much, but then why am i losing items for a pittance of gold? > riot logic doesnt follow riot logic smh Ever thought on not wasting items on an early lead that means nothing later on? TFT has always been about building your comp then stacking items when you have one built up.
: but ... but ... RIOT is thinking on TFT ...
> [{quoted}](name=jng dif victim,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=2sg3XbVX,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-07-17T14:53:15.600+0000) > > but ... but ... RIOT is thinking on TFT ... Not the same team buddy.
: It's just personal opinion, but I much prefer his current version. I don't mind him being weaker, what matters to me is that he's more interesting to play.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ftA7dEFM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-11T07:59:56.075+0000) > > It's just personal opinion, but I much prefer his current version. I don't mind him being weaker, what matters to me is that he's more interesting to play. The problem is that even if his kit is more interactive, due to pro play abuse, he has gotten his kneecaps broken with Riot's balance bat so now anyone under D1 trying to play him will have to deal with him being extremely weak. I am a big fan of both versions of galio and would have been fine if they had given him his dash but kept the ult the same, as he used to be just flash R...
Lemexis (EUW)
: I know it's besides the point, but why would you pay 20$ to get more XP ? Experience is pointless given how terrible the level-up rewards are. If you want more BE, I suggesting investing this money into battle passes and buying champion shards with tokens. That's what I'm doing, and I can tell you if you play regularly it's by far the most efficient way to convert real money into BE.
> [{quoted}](name=Lemexis,realm=EUW,application-id=PKbQ4unq,discussion-id=0GWjBB2E,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-09T15:42:02.240+0000) > > I know it's besides the point, but why would you pay 20$ to get more XP ? Experience is pointless given how terrible the level-up rewards are. If you want more BE, I suggesting investing this money into battle passes and buying champion shards with tokens. That's what I'm doing, and I can tell you if you play regularly it's by far the most efficient way to convert real money into BE. It's a sub 30 account, meaning they either are a smurf and wanted to speed up their levelling, or they're new players that heard how slow the levelling proccess was. For low level accounts the champ capsules are actually pretty good. especially since sub 30s get better capsules than us.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mpFJYnMA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-07T21:42:45.644+0000) > > Riot is making more skins for unpopular champions/champions with fewer skins/champions who have been waiting several years for skins. Kled, Camille, Ivern, Shaco, Amumu, Aurelion Sol, Corki, Illaoi, Heimerdinger, and quite a few others have all gotten skins within the past year or so after going 2+ years without any, and there's even more promised for this year. > > The fact that people ignore the work they are doing for the sake of complaining is more aggravating than Ezreal getting another skin at this point. Battle Boss Yasuo is just Neon Sephiroth. This is one of the few times I legitimately feel sorry for Yasuo players. It's even worse when you consider how he doesn't even use the standard battle boss colors. No amount of good writing is going to properly salvage that. I also happen to agree that Dunkmaster Ivern was a bad skin because it felt massively uninspired and no real relation to the dunkmaster line. Riot can be doing better. Even with their efforts now, it feels too little too late and Dunkmaster Ivern doesn't reflect that they particularly care about giving "skinless" champions good skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mpFJYnMA,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2019-07-07T22:22:47.381+0000) > > Battle Boss Yasuo is just Neon Sephiroth. This is one of the few times I legitimately feel sorry for Yasuo players. It's even worse when you consider how he doesn't even use the standard battle boss colors. No amount of good writing is going to properly salvage that. > > I also happen to agree that Dunkmaster Ivern was a bad skin because it felt massively uninspired and no real relation to the dunkmaster line. > > Riot can be doing better. Even with their efforts now, it feels too little too late and Dunkmaster Ivern doesn't reflect that they particularly care about giving "skinless" champions good skins. Exactly! Dunkmaster Ivern just makes no sense, none of his abilities fit the theme at all, imagine a Dunkmaster Illaoi, she has abilities that are literally dunk on people, but no, instead of giving Ivern a serious skin, let's give him one that isn't serious, and bad too! Imagine a coven Ivern or something... so much wasted potential and pretty insulting to Ivern mains...
l MrD l (NA)
: this is actually a good change ... the constant mana restoration in conjunction with teh shield and E made her sustain too strong and the mana to constantly poke with Q meant shes just too strong vs enchanter supports.. with the removal of mana restoration it means the spamming of Q wont happen so often anymore and sustain is limited... It looks like the aim could be to move away from Q max first in favour of E max weakening yuumis poke but i could be wrong and Q max still good but it just means they cant forever spam it ... Lets not forget the champ is still weak against all ins and that yuumi still needs to leave to make effective use of the shield which is still really powerful to not get
> [{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eEsnGp0Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-10T00:15:28.055+0000) > > this is actually a good change ... the constant mana restoration in conjunction with teh shield and E made her sustain too strong and the mana to constantly poke with Q meant shes just too strong vs enchanter supports.. with the removal of mana restoration it means the spamming of Q wont happen so often anymore and sustain is limited... You make it sound like enchanters being weak to something is a bad thing...
: Riot is making more skins for unpopular champions/champions with fewer skins/champions who have been waiting several years for skins. Kled, Camille, Ivern, Shaco, Amumu, Aurelion Sol, Corki, Illaoi, Heimerdinger, and quite a few others have all gotten skins within the past year or so after going 2+ years without any, and there's even more promised for this year. The fact that people ignore the work they are doing for the sake of complaining is more aggravating than Ezreal getting another skin at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mpFJYnMA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-07T21:42:45.644+0000) > > Riot is making more skins for unpopular champions/champions with fewer skins/champions who have been waiting several years for skins. Kled, Camille, Ivern, Shaco, Amumu, Aurelion Sol, Corki, Illaoi, Heimerdinger, and quite a few others have all gotten skins within the past year or so after going 2+ years without any, and there's even more promised for this year. > > The fact that people ignore the work they are doing for the sake of complaining is more aggravating than Ezreal getting another skin at this point. Except that they have been doing most of them just to shut the respective playerbases up and get it out of the way. Look at dunkmaster Ivern, Atrocious skin that was obviously not worth the wait. Also you using current projects or things in the works the way they're doing it nowadays makes no sense, they used to release skins for unpopular champs without needing the community crying about it.
: I think I heard that they'd add new champions while removing the same amount from the current roster so this doesn't happen. I could be wrong though. If that is the case, it's a good idea because it makes sure there isn't really any single good composition at all times.
> [{quoted}](name=Dark Står ,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=ENA1Iq1v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-07T20:54:40.906+0000) > > I think I heard that they'd add new champions while removing the same amount from the current roster so this doesn't happen. > > I could be wrong though. > > If that is the case, it's a good idea because it makes sure there isn't really any single good composition at all times. It'd be nice if they had like a rotation of champions per game invisible to the players but keeping it so every faction has the same amount of champions. That way every match is different and tests flexibility. Also fix the bullshit item drop RNG, I don't care what items i get but it sucks getting no items and seeing people get 3 items after one camp.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: there's a lot of shit in this post that you're wrong about but I agree with the main point of get the ranged aids shit out of my lane.
> [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybm8OeLU,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-06T15:14:35.169+0000) > > there's a lot of shit in this post that you're wrong about but I agree with the main point of get the ranged aids shit out of my lane. In my opinion anything ranged that slows via auto attack should not exist. Make Iceborn gaunlet not purchasable for ranged champions, make Glacial augment only proc off items but with a higher intensity to make up for the loss of auto attack procs and make it easier to punish them. simple.
Aeraphel (NA)
: Illaoi and Fiora W interaction
You could just record a highlight, as they are saved as webm or just use OBS and record the screen and you can set it to save as mp4 or webm. Good luck and I hope this catches Rito's attention if they're not too busy making a new Ahri skin or something.
: My biggest issue is the weekend matchmaking. I mean, holy shit, I want to rip my hair out trying to play League at any point during the weekend. Every game is filled with feeders and trolls, with a shitload of extra toxicity sprinkled on top. I don't mind the RNG of TFT, because there are a lot of strategy games out there that rely heavily on RNG elements.
> [{quoted}](name=Mantipede,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mpFJYnMA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-07T19:46:28.717+0000) > > My biggest issue is the weekend matchmaking. > > I mean, holy shit, I want to rip my hair out trying to play League at any point during the weekend. > > Every game is filled with feeders and trolls, with a shitload of extra toxicity sprinkled on top. > > I don't mind the RNG of TFT, because there are a lot of strategy games out there that rely heavily on RNG elements. I agree with you when it comes to matchmaking, as fir RNG I see it as if you were playing let's say hearth stone and you rolled a die before drawing a card to see if you draw none or 4, that's kind of my problem with TFT, what items I get I don't mind being random because you can strategize around that, but when I don't get items at all and others get 2 or 3, that's where I have a problem with RNG.
: Unpopular opinion: yes healing is too good right now, but so is access to practically unlimited mana
Trying to direct the attention to a different problem won't fix anything, both things are broken and both need to get fixed. Simple as that.
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: Two Toxic teammates
Don't worry about it man! If they're so pathetic that they have the need to wish harm upon others over a videogame then it's safe to assume that their lives aren't really happy. Just mute, report, take a screenshot if you want and move on! Also if someone is toxic in chat and they add you, accept them and prepare to take a screenshot immediately so you can submit a ticket and report them manually through there. People feel so safe behind a screen that the best thing to do is getting them banned. Good luck out there!
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