: Bro, do you WANT to see a manamune riven? Huh? Is that what you wanna see?!
> [{quoted}](name=Skins Project,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PotskefG,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2017-09-14T00:21:19.682+0000) > > Bro, do you WANT to see a manamune riven? Huh? Is that what you wanna see?! Going oom stupendously fast with all the spells, the average Riven, uses?
Seenan (NA)
: Everytime I get back to this game, I remember why I don't get back to this game.
So, I had a thought. Why not just rework IE as an item? Ezreal suddenly is less shit since every ADC effectively loses super crits. Maybe keep its stats, but minimize its unique passive for ranged, so people like Yas or Yi don't suffer.
: The best ADCs are always a symptom of the meta
I think, delete IE, give ADCs another tank-buster weapon with less power to not be able to pretty much one-shot a squishy late game, and reduce BORK for ranged. orrr even increase IE price? Idk.
KoKoboto (NA)
: No no no no no. Tank meta was cancer because ANY champion could go sunfire + iceborn gauntlet and kill any champion. Hell I've seen assassins and mid laners going the combo and somehow working. Fizz, Diana, Ekko, Talon, literally ANYONE. Tank meta was shit for this reason so you gotta take off those rose-coloured glasses. The actual problem is that games just end sooner because of gold gain and ADC items all being cheaper and towers being shit and everyone exploding (not so much as before but it's still there). Look back to patch 5.22, most of the changes to gold generation and just everything was where the game really fucked up and has stayed fucked up since than.
> [{quoted}](name=KoKoboto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aayZo6K3,comment-id=0001000000000002,timestamp=2017-09-13T13:09:46.043+0000) > > No no no no no. Tank meta was cancer because ANY champion could go sunfire + iceborn gauntlet and kill any champion. Hell I've seen assassins and mid laners going the combo and somehow working. Fizz, Diana, Ekko, Talon, literally ANYONE. Tank meta was shit for this reason so you gotta take off those rose-coloured glasses. > > The actual problem is that games just end sooner because of gold gain and ADC items all being cheaper and towers being shit and everyone exploding (not so much as before but it's still there). Look back to patch 5.22, most of the changes to gold generation and just everything was where the game really fucked up and has stayed fucked up since than. Another issue, I would vouch for, is the surplus of shields and supporty items that make an adc nigh unkillable. KV, Locket, a shield given by a support, and they're looking at probably a 800+ damage shield/mitigation at lv18.
: I actually wanna see a world where every champ can only be played in 1 position. I bet everyone would scream ''MUH DIVERSITY RITO'' all day.
> [{quoted}](name=PePsiLemoNN,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aayZo6K3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-09-13T11:17:52.589+0000) > > I actually wanna see a world where every champ can only be played in 1 position. I bet everyone would scream ''MUH DIVERSITY RITO'' all day. Tbh, most potentially high-damage carries in an off-role tend to be over-bearing. A good Velkoz, Brand, or Lux support can easily carry with most damage. Even Veigar. In another case, Lucian mid, which has been viable since like...mid-S7, but no one bothered playing it. In another other case, took a look at Vayne in the toplane. She styles on most juggs or low mobility champs.
: Thought I was the only one seeing this cancer. Are adc's now officially good in every lane? They've BEEN top, mid again and now fucking jungle.
> [{quoted}](name=Off The Heezy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aayZo6K3,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-09-13T13:33:41.026+0000) > > Thought I was the only one seeing this cancer. Are adc's now officially good in every lane? They've BEEN top, mid again and now fucking jungle. The first TWO games I came back to, to stop my decay from plat...Ezreal jungle on their team...and they somehow WON too, mainly cause I think our jungler got cocky and started doing risky nonsense.
: Riot does so many weird changes one thing I really hate Riot for to this day is they're always nerfing or tweaking something on Rumble that messes him up so I have to adapt to another play style or rune page or report bugs like his ult bug at the time the nerfs come from him being used in the LCS (from what I've seen in YT videos) and higher elos play him more often so Riot was like "You know what we should nerf one of the most unpopular champions in league and leave those popular ones unnerfed". But I still enjoy playing the game because I like the characters
> [{quoted}](name=ORNNStein sMORGh,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aayZo6K3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-09-13T10:41:05.614+0000) > > Riot does so many weird changes one thing I really hate Riot for to this day is they're always nerfing or tweaking something on Rumble that messes him up so I have to adapt to another play style or rune page or report bugs like his ult bug at the time the nerfs come from him being used in the LCS (from what I've seen in YT videos) and higher elos play him more often so Riot was like "You know what we should nerf one of the most unpopular champions in league and leave those popular ones unnerfed". > > But I still enjoy playing the game because I like the characters Rumble's still competitive and arguably, can probably carry a teamfight if ulted well.
: Ezreal is a shit jungle amd a free win if your laners play safe.
> [{quoted}](name=Rockem Sockm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aayZo6K3,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-09-13T13:16:01.966+0000) > > Ezreal is a shit jungle amd a free win if your laners play safe. I'm around the ELO where individuals can lose the game cause of bad rotations or priorities; it should be a free win, but for the life of me, not when they have 18+ kills on you cause of other bad teammates.
Seenan (NA)
: Everytime I get back to this game, I remember why I don't get back to this game.
Man, I wanna enjoy this game like I, I'll say, mostly did in S5. I wish Riot just got their shit together and stopped buffing Lee Sin/Nida cause reasons, among other things.
Rioter Comments
: Can ornn pls not be the deciding factor for when the upgrades happen? If he afks his team should be able to use the items to make up the difference.
Maybe it could like, either be at level 13 or by 25/30 minutes?
: Getting like 70 AD from ult goes a long way towards killing squishies Vayne 3 shotting carries is silly but it realistically only happens when ult is up and she crits 3 times in a row
> [{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXyOYEEE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-09-06T14:44:39.961+0000) > > Getting like 70 AD from ult goes a long way towards killing squishies > Vayne 3 shotting carries is silly but it realistically only happens when ult is up and she crits 3 times in a row 3 crits in a row would be 2.5k+ hp I believe, with how her 1 Tumble and her %hp proc works - squishies have generally ~2k without HP items.
: Does vayne needs a nerf ? no . Is she frustrating to play against ? yes , but not as much as {{champion:157}} who's got a **great laning phase** and excellent scaling and three shot anything late game like vayne .
> [{quoted}](name=Snake Prince,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXyOYEEE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-09-06T16:36:18.197+0000) > > Does vayne needs a nerf ? no . Is she frustrating to play against ? yes , but not as much as {{champion:157}} who's got a **great laning phase** and excellent scaling and three shot anything late game like vayne . Unless he gets relevant by ganks, someone as simple as Darius can shit on his dreams until he manages to farm laning phase' sorrows away. The issue is when he manages to get IE, PD, then LIFESTEAL, where he can be a problem for said-Darius.
: couldnt have said it better myself. Also to add that, jayce's shockblast, while it is kinda absurd midgame with lethality , by the time its 35 mins + it barely does 5% of a tanks hp and barely breaks an adcs BT shield for around 20% of their hp gone after breaking it.
> [{quoted}](name=That Damage Haha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXyOYEEE,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-06T14:34:39.452+0000) > > couldnt have said it better myself. Also to add that, jayce's shockblast, while it is kinda absurd midgame with lethality , by the time its 35 mins + it barely does 5% of a tanks hp and barely breaks an adcs BT shield for around 20% of their hp gone after breaking it. 5% is very not true unless the tank is fed by 35 minutes or has >average kills/gold. 5% of 4k is 200. 5% of 3k is 150. Shockblast does nowhere near that little on a tank at 35.
: @Cactopus/Meddler RE: Rune Refund
I'm sure there's also the few mil people that buy nearly no Rune Pages or champions (ie, barely any revenue from them) and get everything by IP - the refund wouldn't really affect your revenue from them since they wouldn't be buying anyway.
: why does gragas get to have such brainless, reliable CC ?
Nerf flash-E...Suddenly, his win goes down 5%.
: Idea for "Rune Madness" Fairwell Sendoff Game Mode
Heh. 1 gold/s turning into 20g/s at level 18...x9
: One tiny concern about the loss of runes and masteries
I would think that Graves can still just simply kite the mobs endlessly without issue, unfortunately.
Seenan (NA)
: Aren't enough bans for ADCs at this point
Somehow feels like there's a subset of kids that downvote any topic I make, even if it has a point. Oh well, League is league.
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Seenan (NA)
: Halve Duskblade damage for ranged.
Cry, armor pen adc mains.
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Leonerdo (NA)
: All the people spelling "border" wrong... I'm so tilted.
> [{quoted}](name=Leonerdo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bpeWwcnY,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-07-31T04:24:58.525+0000) > > All the people spelling "border" wrong... I'm so tilted. This, hard.
: It might lead to all those things, but a lot of those are things that people need to learn to get over anyway. The sooner someone asks "Why was I matched with a Challenger player when the highest I've ever been is Silver?" the sooner they learn that MMR is different for each queue. The sooner people realize that Previous Season Rank doesn't mean someone will perform awesomely in your Normal Game, the better (they *should* already realize that from observing their teammates). The sooner people realize that Unranked doesn't mean Unskilled the better (again, they *should* already realize that from observing their teammates). ----- In the end, people who pay attention to their teammates should already know that their enemies last season border doesn't mean that much. If you still believe it's tilting or whatever to people who haven't payed attention to their teammates, then make it an opt-in change. At the very least, there should be *some* border for enemies, even if it's some unique "Hidden Rank" border.
> [{quoted}](name=DrCyanide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bpeWwcnY,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-07-31T02:15:55.577+0000) > > It might lead to all those things, but a lot of those are things that people need to learn to get over anyway. > > The sooner someone asks "Why was I matched with a Challenger player when the highest I've ever been is Silver?" the sooner they learn that MMR is different for each queue. > > The sooner people realize that Previous Season Rank doesn't mean someone will perform awesomely in your Normal Game, the better (they *should* already realize that from observing their teammates). > > The sooner people realize that Unranked doesn't mean Unskilled the better (again, they *should* already realize that from observing their teammates). > > ----- > > In the end, people who pay attention to their teammates should already know that their enemies last season border doesn't mean that much. If you still believe it's tilting or whatever to people who haven't payed attention to their teammates, then make it an opt-in change. > > At the very least, there should be *some* border for enemies, even if it's some unique "Hidden Rank" border. The Silver can also feel something to the degree of 'wait, was I good enough to face an exchallenger?'
: Also Mastery and possibly Honor (not sure with that) only shows to your team
> [{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bpeWwcnY,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-07-31T10:07:39.261+0000) > > Also Mastery and possibly Honor (not sure with that) only shows to your team Not sure who downvoted you, since you're right. You can't even see Honor on the enemy's profile. Mastery 7, they might flash it in your face after you kill them cause they're insecure or bming you but hey.
: You lost at least 4 games to be demoted though, since you have 3 games protection after promotion, plus losing at 0LP doesn't necessarily demote you unless your mmr is low already, which indicates you've been losing more often than expected to begin with and hence potentially belong in the lower division. Having to play 3-4 more games to get back is you trying to prove you simply had an unlucky streak and actually do deserve that rank.
> [{quoted}](name=Mysticman89,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qdwUEOEq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-30T16:38:29.578+0000) > > You lost at least 4 games to be demoted though, since you have 3 games protection after promotion, plus losing at 0LP doesn't necessarily demote you unless your mmr is low already, which indicates you've been losing more often than expected to begin with and hence potentially belong in the lower division. > > Having to play 3-4 more games to get back is you trying to prove you simply had an unlucky streak and actually do deserve that rank. Not the case when Riot's matchmaking throws you in a loop of those games so you end up re-promoting 20 times as soon as you win a few games in a row.
: want some basically untouched champions that are ancient {{champion:1}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:20}} oh and can't forget {{champion:13}}
> [{quoted}](name=CosmicStarDragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfzEPvUv,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-07-28T05:36:45.938+0000) > > want some basically untouched champions that are ancient > {{champion:1}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:20}} > oh and can't forget {{champion:13}} Untouched? All of those champs were touched, what do you even mean?
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: "bodyblocking" Warwick ult.
My Q as Sejuani gets blocked for the same reason. The hitbox for it is a tad ludicrous from the hind and sides if I can somehow Q hit them while trying to run away.
Xonra (NA)
: Yeah that ain't true. People were doing it with Karthus in pro play back in like Season 2. I remember hearing a caster saying it all the time during Curse games cause Nyjacky loves him some Karthus and Morg.
> [{quoted}](name=Xonra,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cJgpN1AM,comment-id=0039000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-26T02:05:09.757+0000) > > Yeah that ain't true. People were doing it with Karthus in pro play back in like Season 2. I remember hearing a caster saying it all the time during Curse games cause Nyjacky loves him some Karthus and Morg. Doesn't Karthus make Arcangel's anyway?
: Things You Miss About The Game But You Know Will Never Come Back?
: Hi again, Just to be clear, I'm not a Rioter and I'm not responsible for the updated client in anyway, I'm just here to improve your experience as best as I can. I understand that your connection was fine otherwise but it's very possible to experience connectivity issues with League solely. Even if you were seeing chat and hearing champ select sound effects, if you disconnected during champ select or all the assets of champ select failed to load, it's usually due to a connectivity failure which is why I linked you a connectivity guide which should resolve the issue. I'd like you to run through it and if you still experience issues afterwards, I'm just one reply away!
> [{quoted}](name=Śplash Damage,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=59r2v7n9,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-23T04:20:28.448+0000) > > Hi again, > > Just to be clear, I'm not a Rioter and I'm not responsible for the updated client in anyway, I'm just here to improve your experience as best as I can. > > I understand that your connection was fine otherwise but it's very possible to experience connectivity issues with League solely. > > Even if you were seeing chat and hearing champ select sound effects, if you disconnected during champ select or all the assets of champ select failed to load, it's usually due to a connectivity failure which is why I linked you a connectivity guide which should resolve the issue. > > I'd like you to run through it and if you still experience issues afterwards, I'm just one reply away! I can do that, but it'll 100% say my conn is fine since it's the first time it has ever happened...at least in a Ranked, where that matters.
: Seriously though what are the options for a tank heavy meta that seems to be developing right now? When tanks are picked in multiple lanes it is basically go {{champion:67}}{{champion:29}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:222}} and start building something like {{item:3153}}{{item:3071}} {{item:3036}}{{item:3046}} as a core every game while the 2 teams slug it out for 60 minutes with the adc just outputting sustained damage on whatever steel wall is closest? Oh, and if they've got like {{champion:16}} {{champion:19}} take {{item:3033}} instead of {{item:3036}} . The worst meta I've ever played league in is probably when {{champion:113}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:32}}{{champion:89}} {{champion:78}} are strong picks.
> [{quoted}](name=Definitely Bait,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PnREs0af,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-23T08:08:18.286+0000) > > Seriously though what are the options for a tank heavy meta that seems to be developing right now? When tanks are picked in multiple lanes it is basically go {{champion:67}}{{champion:29}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:222}} and start building something like {{item:3153}}{{item:3071}} {{item:3036}}{{item:3046}} as a core every game while the 2 teams slug it out for 60 minutes with the adc just outputting sustained damage on whatever steel wall is closest? Oh, and if they've got like {{champion:16}} {{champion:19}} take {{item:3033}} instead of {{item:3036}} . > > The worst meta I've ever played league in is probably when {{champion:113}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:32}}{{champion:89}} {{champion:78}} are strong picks. None of those 4 even build TBC, lol.
tieger05 (OCE)
: 1000 Hours of Gameplay... Still Silver.
Diana's good for deleting one person while being somewhat tanky. But if you play right, you might be able to kill two. You could try to learn how your opponent champions play by playing them yourself, so you eliminate or reduce the chance of you losing lane at all.
Bârd (NA)
: Fiddle W suggestion
Then he gets no punishment if someone stuns him instantly.
: The lack of DFG is the exact reason champs like Ahri, Kat, and Leblanc are now rushing Gunblade. A bunch of extra burst on an item is super good on champs with already have solid burst. This is part of why Duskblade is so strong, btw.
> [{quoted}](name=DunkinNoobs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w1TLevWA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-07-23T11:05:39.257+0000) > > The lack of DFG is the exact reason champs like Ahri, Kat, and Leblanc are now rushing Gunblade. A bunch of extra burst on an item is super good on champs with already have solid burst. This is part of why Duskblade is so strong, btw. Pretty sure Kat always rushed GB.
: Could creeps stop actively trying to make you miss CS?
At least I'm not the only one noticing this stupid shit. I've probably missed a total of 20+ cs this way. That could be my boots buy.
DelexPSN (NA)
: If you could delete one thing
Roots that last >2 seconds. 2 is fine, but >2? Stupid.
: Hi Seenan, It seems your connection isn't steady when transitioning from the lobby servers to the champ select servers which is resulting in a failure to load all the champ select assets. Run through the [connectivity issues guide](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752664-Troubleshooting-Connection-Issues) and let me know if it resolves your issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Śplash Damage,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=59r2v7n9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:45:07.898+0000) > > Hi Seenan, > > It seems your connection isn't steady when transitioning from the lobby servers to the champ select servers which is resulting in a failure to load all the champ select assets. Run through the [connectivity issues guide](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752664-Troubleshooting-Connection-Issues) and let me know if it resolves your issue. That's...incorrect, cause everything else was still connected perfectly, as well as my dl/upload being far above average. It's your client. I still won the promo, but what if I didn't? Me having to suffer through garbage matchmaking for about 6-7 more games...? Also, did you not hear the part where I said I could hear the noises and see the chat, which was still connected?
OPHYBRID (NA)
: Last patch... "failed to reconnect" after champion select. Twice. During fk'ing ranked qualifiers. A bunch of times aside from that. And 5x20 minute "priority queues" (a term which makes no sense) after each infraction which Riot caused me. That's 100 minutes of my time -- no... 200 minutes of my time in total -- that was wasted. And Riot refuses to reset this or un-compound the infractions after the fact. The LeaverBuster FAQ even says "We like to fk over paying customers" -- in not so many words -- because somehow that's fair to everyone...
Among all the balance failures and ingame issues, they should at least make sure the engine and client are spic n' span.
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: Gold-Plat elo is such a joke
The matchmaking in that set of divisions is disgusting. You'll get shitters more than half the time, then other times you'll win 4 in a row. It's stupid.
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Zeus1590 (NA)
: I mean its not like people swap roles or anything. Oh wait.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeus1590,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=565EJku6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-27T19:52:43.289+0000) > > I mean its not like people swap roles or anything. > > > > Oh wait. In high Gold elo, this rarely happens. It might* happen on an autofill. Maybe it can be disabled for D5+, or else they'd prob have 10min queues. And also, I said this can be an option.
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AL000 (NA)
: you forget {{champion:24}}
> [{quoted}](name=AL000,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aivojn1b,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-26T11:07:16.696+0000) > > you forget {{champion:24}} Not an Assassin-esk fighter.
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: > [{quoted}](name=RainbowIcee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g41dLq4n,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-22T00:56:05.933+0000) > > While i agree ekko is a toxic piece of crap to fight... your rage was also enjoyable. > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} How is he toxic to fight against? please, explain to me how all of his telegraphed abilities are "toxic"
> [{quoted}](name=Cosmic Warper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g41dLq4n,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-06-22T03:38:45.931+0000) > > How is he toxic to fight against? please, explain to me how all of his telegraphed abilities are "toxic" Telegraphed? Only 2 are telegraphed. If he Es into you with a Q after, it will very likely hit both ways. And if he Ws you from fog of war, it's less telegraphed. R takes skill to actually hit vs anyone competent, but the frustration comes from him getting healed too.
: {{champion:51}} {{champion:29}} still stronger there is a reason on why he is neve used in competitive
> [{quoted}](name=CrabPeopleReform,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VAakpFbt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-06-21T15:37:18.822+0000) > > {{champion:51}} {{champion:29}} still stronger there is a reason on why he is neve used in competitive Only reason for that is cause these guys are somewhat safe. Draven adds danger by having his Qs telegraphed if he wants his max DPS.
: It'd probably lead to some frustration when people backed earlier than anticipated and end up autobuying some things that may have been a good plan with the full amount of money, but your pre-order doesn't work out with what you did back with. e.g. maybe you wanted to back for a bf sword and boots (1600 gold). Instead you get forced back at 1100 gold, and you can't buy the bf (1300), and it autobuys the boots (300). Now you're left with 800 gold, maybe to throw at crit gloves+dagger+pots or something, but I feel like a lot of people would rather have bought a pickaxe from the outset and autobuy threw them off. Or theres various occasions where people will back just slightly too early and want to sit for a few seconds to buy that big item (if I back and have 1280 gold, I'm probably leaving with a BF).
> [{quoted}](name=Mysticman89,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5V44ednw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-06-21T14:22:13.876+0000) > > It'd probably lead to some frustration when people backed earlier than anticipated and end up autobuying some things that may have been a good plan with the full amount of money, but your pre-order doesn't work out with what you did back with. > > e.g. maybe you wanted to back for a bf sword and boots (1600 gold). Instead you get forced back at 1100 gold, and you can't buy the bf (1300), and it autobuys the boots (300). Now you're left with 800 gold, maybe to throw at crit gloves+dagger+pots or something, but I feel like a lot of people would rather have bought a pickaxe from the outset and autobuy threw them off. Or theres various occasions where people will back just slightly too early and want to sit for a few seconds to buy that big item (if I back and have 1280 gold, I'm probably leaving with a BF). You could probably refund like in live.
: PSA: Blade of the Ruined King and Black Cleaver Synergy is Gone
Yeah, I made a topic addressing it a few hours ago calling it a bugfix, but it probably seems like a pretty good nerf instead.
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