JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Zed in a nutshell - miss everything, still get a kill.
He is obviously ahead, he has a yommus and duskblade and u hav eno armor. What do you expect?
YBaKunt (NA)
: Armor is extremely under powered. Lethalty is OP.
im guessing they have near full builds to be killing you with lethality and that build thats 170 no assassins with lethality is oneshotting with that unless they are waaaaaaay ahead or you are walking right into teamfights without a care in the world.
: That makes it any better?
yes it means she isnt actually a problem, if almost no one plays her and only dedicated mains do their is no reason to punish her.
: Nerf Diana
nice meme look at here playrate almost no one plays her, its mostly dedicated mains.
: Why are Lee and Kha getting random buffs?
I bet even if they where at like 46% winrate people would be like " dude lee and kha arent weak they just arent playing them right"
Moody P (NA)
: Tank items are too passive to be satisfying
This would be terrible, if we gave them more engaging items they would either make you more tanky or give you more cc. We dont want anymore cc locking and items that make you more tanky will be abused by brusiers. I remember when {{item:3193}} was introduced and cho could oneshot people with his ult. The truth of the matter is tanks are just getting kicked down my brusiers they are just better, just as durable with insane burst and dmg. If you want more tanks nerf bruisers.
Sherogarth (EUNE)
: Few "FUN" facts about Armor and Armor Penetration.
Wow its almost like armor penetration is doing exactly what its meant to do penetrate armor. What is your point, that when a team gets a bunch of people all having armor pen in their kits tanks dont exist? As long as tanks keep the backline safe they do their job, if the tank gets focused they win the teamfight bascially. Any rengar main that uses their ult on a tank should be banned lol.
: why is everyone so bad in gold4?
Its because they got rid of a g5, so when s1 get into gold and are still at the s1 level and need to incorporate into gold they arent able to
: An age where a full AD team has nothing to fear from a team building Armor on everyone
the only rank where tanks fall off is plat + tanks therefore dominate gold and below which is where most players are. Rammus was top tier till he was nerfed. Tahm kills almost everything, and Sej is top tier too. Do you want tanks to completely dominate?
: Aftershock + armor items, nope still getting one shot by Zed as a Tank Maokai...
Insane look at that one shot that too zeds entire kit, also hitting zed using his ult after Mao's aftershock and also having two levels over him and having completed three pen items already. In all seriousness is this suppose to prove something other then armor makes you last longer, when behind? Should he allow tanks to 1v1 assassins how too and out dmg them? Are tanks suppose to be mindless drones that just run in and take all the dmg and not get punished for it? Of course tanks are suppose to take dmg he still survive with alot of haelth even after being hit with zeds ult after taking all his spells. He survived the burst but got outduelled and outplayed. Just because your a tank doesnt mean you shouldnt have to play smart.
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Question about Zed, the most annoying assassin to face of them all
No he is just annoying. When his w is down he has no mobility and you can freely harass him, just because he can q minoins doesnt deny that fact. You also still have the range advantage if you are a mage. And when he has no w he has next to no real kill potential especially if he has no ult unless ur eating q's on a regular. Tbh I really dont believe this or proof would show on the statistics. Obviously a really good zed is annoying to face but those are actually not often.
SKHynix (EUW)
: Wtf u nerf from shaco? His base dmg is a fucking joke. Try play shaco without duskblade. Duskblade+trinity combo make him broken. Just remove fucking duskblade from this game.
Yet he counter jungles like a beast, has insane mobility even without flash, and because of that mobility he can take ignite which makes his counter jungle even better. I dont believe this item impact that you attribute this too, because a lot of assassins us db and are not at his level of success. If Duskblade was so strong every champion who uses would be at shaco's level yet still wins.
: Try thhe champions you thought are OP first, before you complain about them in the forums.
D4M2X0 (EUW)
: "they are full AD, stack armor"
Why is ghostblade listed? It is countered by armor, and how come you dont mention conq?
: The most frustrating part of this game is that all the high burst champions ARE SO GOD DAMN SAFE
Can't agree with Kha man, his leap is in most cases to get in, and his r to get out. He has to kill you to get out. Also there is a counter, cc in every case with the exception of Zed, because of how easy it is to dodge it with his ult. IN most cases you use the escape to go in, so its a trade off it doesnt seem you recognize this. Also you seem to excuse that there are a lot of immobile burst champions. But it doesnt fit the champions you have so you ignore them.
Moody P (NA)
: Oh right, the Riot solution: Give it more damage
The balancing team is really dumb at this point the fact that they had dark harvest in the pbe for weeks, yet still put it out in its current condition should tell you enough about how they work. They are reactionary which is garbo, and they seem to not understand that dmg is to high.
: As a Tank player, I am currently forced to play Bruisers or Assassins in jungle
Honestly with the current balance team I dont want them doing anything till they reduce dmg by a lot. Because they might make another unkillable tanks with massive dmg meta again. But I think if they removed conq it would make tanks come back.
Rexxiee (NA)
: ADC IN 2018 LUL
Why do adc's think that they should take no dmg, when they build no defense.YOU ARE A GLASSCANON, this does not show adc's are weak it juust shows dmg is to high on things. You have to understand that if you have no defense you will die buddy thats how the game works. If you want to say dmg is to high thats great but dont give me this bullshit that adcs are weak man. Literally anything in the game wouldve killed you way faster. Why do you think you have supports?
: Neeko is surprisingly fun to play against
Imagine if she was classifed as an assassin I assure you, you would not be saying this.
: Just because I am not a rengar main does not mean my opinion is invalid If the enemy laner doesn't have wards more often than not your gank is already secured. You have time to walk to a bush when you leap distance is so huge anyway
It does if you have no idea what you are talking about. First the enemy has to be near the bush, second, rengar needs the bush to get his snare, he gets one from the initial leap, e, w, and q then he gets his snare. Third that .25 second window to jump makes ganks more possible because for the most part that extra distance allows rengar to gank properly and gank. If you played any rengar you would know this. Also you would know that it is pretty difficult to execute. As huge as the leap distance is if they dont get into that range you cant leap. If you can't leap you can't gain the ferocity in time to get a snare. And in most case you can't get the snare in time because if you dont get the leap off you dont get empowered abilites which means you need to wait for one of you other skills to to recharge. You can't make these assumptions without know how the champion works.
: Lucian has a 53.13% win rate with a 34.59% pick rate in Korea
Isnt it just that other adc suck? I literally only see Mf, jihn, Lucian and Ez. It like they are the only adc's left. Oh Kai gets in too. But tbh, adc has literally always been like this, there i always three super dominate adcs at a time. Was there ever a point were there wasnt? Maybe the ardent meta? But wasnt it mostly Varus, Kog and Twitch?
: This is getting out of hand.
Cant sympathize because of that twitch jg bs. And Conq you were asking to lose man
: Rush Cloth Armor, +10 armor runes, lvl 4 Zed poke combos me for 60% of my HP
Is this exclusively a zed thing or is this everyone? Have you played againts brand? Or Lux they pretty much do the same.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shablagoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X53OfTWr,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-12-01T23:31:04.538+0000) > > Look I like how dmg isnt so high as well but thats just non-sense man. Varus was what ardent adcs were, and again people dont find it fun when only the adc can carry. If thats what you want the game to be again I would prefer this meta way more. Idk where do you get the ardent thing. There is no ardent in this video.
No I am saying he takes next to no dmg, hence why I compare him to an ardent shielded adc because they took next to no dmg.
: ok because there aren't bushes in lanes
Yes which everyone can see you walk into? You know what play rengar jg and then talk man you literally have no idea what your talking about
: It's amazing how different this game used to be in S3
Look I like how dmg isnt so high as well but thats just non-sense man. Varus was what ardent adcs were, and again people dont find it fun when only the adc can carry. If thats what you want the game to be again I would prefer this meta way more.
: Especially with shit like this. https://youtu.be/hfLybUD2Wqg
How is that a problem? Or how does this relate to the original point?
: He wouldn't be the only jungler in the game who doesn't have a fast way to get onto the enemy laner when ganking…. He can also utilize his empowered and base e to slow/cc the enemy.... If this change was made people would still definitely play rengar since his strengths come from fighting in areas with easier bush access anyway. Its not like it will change his 1 shot from jumping out of his ult potential
Example of someone who has no idea what they are talking about, but because ppl hate rengar he gets upvoted
: Rengar should not be able to leap AFTER LEAVING A BUSH
Its actually hard to pull off you have to click it at the right time. If we get rid of this we should get rid of {{champion:81}} interaction with his e and almost all forms of cc. Same with any dash that moves after cc.
: Please don't release Neeko with
No its fine dude, ap can't be op because Riot has ad favoritism.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shablagoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2hcRYITz,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2018-11-28T17:23:18.973+0000) > > Its Conq, and bruisers replacing them. For some reason though Sion works just fine though Mapl too to some extent. But its conq, also the new IE, conq literally makes tanks useless. I personally think when that rune is removed or replaced with fervor of battle tanks can come back. Bruisers replacing tanks? bullshit! Tanks stole the role of bruisers while maintaining being near unkillable with high CC and good reliability. Bruisers were the beefy damage champs and tanks were the beefy cc champs. then all the tanks got lots of damage but didn't lose much CC so then bruisers got pushed out. Nautilus shouldn't win 1v1 vs darius ever, but nautilus and a good reliable damage champ should be able to 2v2 darius and one of his teammates Tanks offer utility, bruisers offer splitpush and dueling, tanks got a bunch of free dueling potential over the years and then were given splitpush {{item:3512}} this has been an issue for so long that now when bruisers are finally viable again they're actually being shamed for taking back what their intended purpose is Imagine being someone who doesn't main a tank or tank killer during a tank meta, now compare that same person to someone who doesn't play an anti assassin in an assassin meta in the tank meta they're literally ineffective, in an assassin meta they can actually do things without being perma cc'd until they die 12 seconds later to miniscule damage
It is though, have you played against Irelia or Jax? They can literally face tank teams while doing enormous amounts of dmg. And Tank did that before not now, Tanks literally are useless, they either need lots of base dmg or need to be like Ali and have cc with every ability along with a dmg reduction. And I am not saying that Tanks should be able to win 1v1 nor do I want a tank meta. I main an assassins and like playing bruisers so fk a tank meta. But I dont think we should literally make them obsolete. And honestly that what conq does so I tihnk thats the main thing stopping tanks from be meta at all.
: Why do tanks not work anymore? Overkill damage.
Its Conq, and bruisers replacing them. For some reason though Sion works just fine though Mapl too to some extent. But its conq, also the new IE, conq literally makes tanks useless. I personally think when that rune is removed or replaced with fervor of battle tanks can come back.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shablagoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eXylB69G,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-25T00:25:36.619+0000) > > Lol sure, all you had to do was choose some one with amazing clearing and then oneshot people with one auto. Graves? MF? Kha? All skillfull with this rune? Are you kidding me. This new change hasnt adding anymore skill expression. The only skill was it was weak early, but that doesnt matter when you play all those three who dominate early anyway. Well f**k you dude, no one wants an all skill based game, and the game were more fun to play when there were a lot more op champs in it, people like you dude, you know what? You should get a life and try to prove yourself to your family or your friends or something, people wanna have fun playing a fucking game, thats not a fucking life skills proving platform or something like that, just chill and have fun dude its like wtf
Your playing a skill based game, thats literally the whole point of the game. Also why can't I prove my skills in both life and in the game?
Eedat (NA)
: > I've tried so hard to defend this game https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/Shablagoo?content_type=discussion https://i.imgur.com/ljwFb6v.png[/img]
Ya I have criticized them but it was mostly on other posts where I tried to defend them. But its reasonable to doubt me.
Rioter Comments
: conqueror is the only non burst/poke rune in the game. removing it would be really unhealthy for top lane.
Non burst? Have you played against Jax or Irelia? They seem to burst as fast as assassins.
: If you were honor level 2 or higher, then it does not matter if you got any bans or not earlier in the year. Everyone honor 2+ will receive rewards (unless they were banned for boosting). If you are referring to the 2nd chance going on giving people until February to reach honor 2, then no I am afraid you cannot receive rewards that way if you got banned. Originally they were going to make it where it was a clean cut-off of if you were honor 2 at the moment the season ended you got rewards, and if you were not then you did not get rewards. However, they later decided it felt pretty shitty to miss out on an entire year's worth of rewards just for a chat restriction. So they gave people who *only* received chat restrictions a 2nd chance. Complete info on this second chance can be found in the [2018 Season Ranked Reward Eligibility Update](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011986113-2018-Season-Ranked-Reward-Eligibility-Update)
Thanks man, it still feels pretty shitty though. I was wondering though, if I ended at Plat and I drop to gold during trying to reach onor 2 do I get gold rewards or Plat rewards?
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Hibeki (NA)
: No one talking about how Dark Harvest has literally broken pyke now?
Not just pyke everything, Im watching a video now and it seems broken one anything, even on mages too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUFRcRchUA
Hügö (EUW)
: It is actual pointless to argue with you and I have to accept you have a rather low IQ when you can't understand a simple business concept which still applies to gaming companies. It doesn't matter if yi is useless in high elo as long as he will stomp low and riot isn't doing anything they will lsoe customers. And you can answer on this but you won't get another reply as, how I already mentioned, it is pretty pointless to argue with you.
Ya man it is pointless because for some reason you dont see the inherent difference in skill between each tier, and you think that balancing on the lower tiers is for company satisfaction. You refuse to understand that the balancing of this game is different from other games. Balancing around lower skill players doesnt make any sense, why is it there certain people have no problems with these certain champions but lower tiers do? Maybe because they know the game more then these players play at a higher level. And you want to balance around them because there are more of them? It makes no sense man. Maybe you think that all elo have the same champion problems which you need to see it doesn't.
Hügö (EUW)
: So you have a company. You start making a great product and everyone buys it. Then you are making a new product which is in your eyes the best thing ever, and your customers go like "mate I don't need a blacked out mirror I can't see shit in it". And you, as the company, don't care what they say and still make your epic blacked out mirror. Who needs to adjust? You, the company, or the customer? And what will happen if the side doesn't adjust.
This example is pointless to the discussion, because we are talking about Riot and how they balance. You do understand that MOBA games are fundamentally different especially balance wise right? So it isnt as simple as balancing the game in terms of customers. There are so many different tiers yes, there is bronze, silver, gold, Plat, Diamond, Master, and Challnger. Something like Yi being op in bronze to silver wont work plat + because of the massive skill difference. Yet you think that the game should be balanced around the class that puts in the least effort into understanding the game, is the lowest in terms of skill, and where essentially any champion can carry as long as they are better. This game is different from other games hence, why the balancing is different, hence why the balancing for the company is different. When players climb they figure out oh wow, master yi wasnt actually that difficult. All i had to do was bring cc and not try and give him pointless kills. You see thats how th game works. You can't just say the companies job is to make the customers happy, when those players dont even fully understand the game it makes no sense. Thats like saying if I dont like a game that is suppose to be exclusively hard mode all the time, the company now has to make another game which is easy enough for me to play or they will fail. Or just dont buy it man, some people play games for a challenge not so they can live cozy in the game.
Hügö (EUW)
: Ouch, good thing you don't have your own company.
Bro they've been balancing on the top tier for years and they remain one of the most successful game in the world? They've been doing this for so long and lower tier players still play. So I dont see your point really making any sense normally and in theory working either.
Scryble (NA)
: Can we talk about Neeko?
Imagine how much more hate we she get if she was just classified as a assassin instead of a mage.
Hügö (EUW)
: And that is exactly how you lose your customers. "Oh my customers aren't happy .... nah i don't give a fuck. Why do I have no customers anymore?".
Because they can't adjust to the game? Honestly good man I really dont want to play with players like that, its a competitive game it isnt suppose to be an easy game for you
: Why are Lethality items so cheap?
Would the answer really matter anyway? You've already formed you opinion, you dont think they deserve it. Any real points will go over your head, you just want others to complain with you.
: so this is true, but then with this being the case, the last thing we should be seeing nearly EVERY SINGLE patch is these ad assassins getting damage buffs or cooldown reductions. This game is a joke.
Dude what? How does that have to do with anything? Because they are early game champions they can't get buffed? Doesn't make sense.
Hügö (EUW)
: Ye..... because when palyers are unhappy about something it surely something the devs should ignore. That is the way how you will lose your playerbase.
No.. because these players sometimes dont hold themselves accountable before properly facing these champions. If I go into a match with no cc against a yi, I can't blame the champion, especially when I have the ability to do something. If I also miss almost every single cc ability too, does it seem reasonable to blame the champion or point to the fact that I may have issues? The point I am trying to make is that when players face certain champions they automatically assume it is because of the champion and when they do other ppl assume with them, certain champions are annoying but there is something that can be done against them. It is the fact that they have to adjust when they dont want to that makes them assume that its unhealthy. Yi is annoying but for some reason, when you go to higher ranks he is not a strong, it is almost as if these people adjusted to properly deal with him. Alot of banned champions are rather annoying then unhealthy the term is loosely thrown around.
Hügö (EUW)
: So when the majority of players don't like to play against someone it isn't something the devs should look into?
No, because a large majority of players dont like champions not because they are unhealthy but they just dont like playing with or against them. I am not trying to rank shame, but you have to understand that when a majority of bronze players are complaining about yi you can't expect them to take it serious.
duje (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shablagoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-11-16T23:04:23.390+0000) > > But he is still good, http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics, So i dont see your point are you saying that if they dominated on the best players they cant be overpowered? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/aurelionsol/diamond
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/diamond/plus/champion/AurelionSol/Middle/ Just another source
duje (EUNE)
: Aurelion sol nerfs
But he is still good, http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics, So i dont see your point are you saying that if they dominated on the best players they cant be overpowered?
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