: Let me put it like this: Did old Diana actually HAVE to use W to kill someone, or did they just E > Q > R > R? Now they just W > Q > E > E and same result. Her ult just now turns W into a potential pentakill tool.
That combo lost a LOT of damage/scaling when Lunar Rush became a basic skill. She will be a threat pre 6 now, but she will not be o e shotting with that combo unless SIGNIFICANTLY ahead...
: New Champions Riot Can You Chill ....
You forgot Skarner...{{champion:72}} Though I cant really blame you... Riot forgets about him all the time as well :-(
: I got 94 and honestly all the prestige skins kinda sucked for me this year, so now all my points will go to waste? thx rito.
I have 100... and I dont like any of the skins available to me... guess I'll look at what they add later... probably blue essence... XDXD... :-(
: probably not
Shahamut (NA)
: Imagine if this was Skarner's Q...
Couldn't even go back to find the original gif, so I just posted this youtube video instead. Minute 1:24 for the rengar Q (lovingly called swim-gar Q)
: It could be that I didnt bother to process the info enough... but you are asking to make his Q like a Jax passive?
more directly, the stacking passive it had prior to the juggernaut rework. Then, with the new animation/effect, saving the bonus magic damage for max stacks instead of after only one.
: Just follow it with [/img] i believe.
Hm... that didnt work...
Shahamut (NA)
: Imagine if this was Skarner's Q...
Not sure how to get the gif to display
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Some potential Skarner changes for consideration.
I am still of fan of the laser from tail, not sure if you meant to remove the laser for just a tail stab. But if so, I prefer the ranged laser to help get to ranged champions.
Veraska (NA)
pls no. Putting them there would cause riot to nerf Skarner as "compensation". Spires just need to go. I dont want 2 more points on the map I have no personal agency over...
HideSide (EUNE)
: Who should get rework and who another one?
Skarner. I have made so many threads about this over the last 4+ years it hurts. Tldr- spires area terrible gimmick that locks Skarners stats into the jungle in a way that is more feast or famine than ever before while offering nothing in "premiere objective control" which was their stated goal on implementation. The spires are team reliant and grant both vision and gold to enemy team as well as yours. No personal agency. Is currently reliant on 40-45% cdr unfun stun combo (E>>R>>stun>>E>>stun) to be a relevant threat. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cEWbm3hn-new-preseason-new-skarner-long-post Something in this vein would be great.
Yuyiyo (NA)
: Skarner Passive in Alcove?
Pls no. The spires just need to go. Having 2 more things on the map that the enemy can benefit from would just be bad. Not to mention Riot would end up nerfing Skarner for their presence in the lanes. Rework, no spires please.
: Bring back dominion
They cant until they rework Skarner. The spires are still on the rift.
NY64 (NA)
: Can we reduce ult cooldown cloud drag gives or remove ultimate hunter rune?
Can Cloud Drake be focused on something other than ult buffs/cooldowns? Why can't it be the "freedom of movement" drake? Cloud Drake: Grants +3% MS per drake and 5% Tenacity. Cloud Drake Soul: Gain a barrier that stops the first CC on you, refreshes after 15 seconds out of combat. While the barrier is up, double the MS bonus. Thats just off the top of my head, but whatever. Just something else than cooldown reduction and ult buff.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 6
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theritzz (NA)
: lf gold or above top
Plat 4 top main. Only potential issue is times to play.
IVSakenz (NA)
: Yas is a very weird champ... Personally have tried to play him and I completely suck with him. His whole toolkit just seems foreign and clunky. But then other people play him, and he dominates..
That is because he takes time and skill to pull off. Especially in the modern state of the game, Yasuo is not a "1v9" champion. There is too much damage combined with too much cc, and bruisers will absolutely crap on him early game. Yasuo HAS carry potential, I am by NO means calling him weak, or unplayable or anything stupid like that, but his kit is balanced and fair. It was a lot when he first came out, but he was nerfed accordingly, and newer champions outshine him by miles in what they are capable of.
: Skarner QoL: all the spires should be under his control since level 1; remove gold on cap; spires in
eye nut (NA)
: Anyone think that Senna is actually op instead of experiencing the new champion effect?
What about the fact that she has a positive winrate in every role but jungle...? She shouldn't have as much damage for how much utility she has. Period. Self/Team heal, global shield/dmg, team stealth, aoe root, gold generation. Then you want to add infinite stacking AD, bonus range/crit chance? Crit chance that you cant even waste by accident because excess turns to life steal? Her and Pyke are my two least favorite champion kits purely by design.
Shahamut (NA)
: A semi-regular reminder that...
Making progress, still no comments though. Just me in here. Where are you rito?
Shahamut (NA)
: A semi-regular reminder that...
Interesting that my previous posts of this nature are usually upvoted, including the different rework suggestions, but this one starts hot with 4 downvotes already. Sad times for Skarner ahead.
Rioter Comments
klin537 (NA)
: yasuo isn't an assassin, hes a melee adc.
> [{quoted}](name=klin537,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPN8bMIA,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-12-01T16:03:24.563+0000) > > yasuo isn't an assassin, hes a melee adc. I was going to say the same thing. XD I get it though, he is really popular.
: make his w not a useless sack of shit, you land it, then they just poof, walk out, like wtf
> [{quoted}](name=Lenny Face xd,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Vozrk11m,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-01T14:56:43.374+0000) > > make his w not a useless sack of shit, you land it, then they just poof, walk out, like wtf W is meant to be a chaining ability. You secure its pull back by landing one of your 3 knock ups... while they are slowed.
: Supports right now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think its weird that new "supports" (gold efficient utility champions) also need to be carries... (assassins/marksmen)... specifically, Pyke and Senna. Senna will scale indefinitely with range and AD. Getting her stacks is not that hard either. Pyke has a ton of safety and utility, but also has a resetting AoE execute. Not true damage, an execute. Cant shield it. What happened to trade offs? Playing a damage focus support used to be risky if you didnt dominate lane phase, because you wouldn't have items later. Why couldn't people appreciate carrying games through means that wasnt damage? Utility, initiation, VISION... sure this stuff is still in the game, but damage right now trumps all of it. Have lots of cc? Doesnt matter if there is no damage to follow up. You will still die. Have tons of damage? You only need a tiny bit of cc to obliterate people. See Qiyana lvl 3 one rotation her lane opponent with only a single undodgeable root.
: Tier 1 runes were good for when you were starting out though, super cheap and at least it was something until you could get all the tier 3 runes you need.
I just think there should not have been any "tiers" of runes, and they needed to be free from the get go. Some of the runes that are more niche or less commonly used could have been locked behind levels so there wasnt so much at once. I think the idea of masteries being champion specific, and ways to alter the way you play THAT specific champion (like odyssey) would be much more manageable and interesting.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cairo King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FA52KuVA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-23T18:07:36.277+0000) > > Yes I do recall looking at the pickrates, it still says something regardless. Off meta picks should not thrive in bot lane. I bet you if I were to play mid lane carries that have the same role as adc's, such as ryze or cass, I'd have a lot more success than playing an actual adc bot lane. Off meta? Youre literally saying anything besides marksmen bot is off meta and should be nerfed or discouraged. And people wonder why this game has no variety and is stale.
But hey! It's fine that they can play their marksman in mid and top though, because variety! But dont touch my precious bot lane you filthy mages!
: Botlane win rates....
Cait is still rank 1?
: Idea for Skarner's "rework"
: > [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=afqItML8,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-27T21:13:16.011+0000) > > Pink wards should indeed see inside her Shroud. No. Sucked that Akali always had a cheap 1 item that utterly made her worthless all game. Yout hink I should be able to buy a 200g item that hard counters a champion? What stuff you s mokin that's that strong?
: Which is funny because they want to buff her, then they would complain, when it's exactly what they want. I mean, it's on a 1s delay, they want it at 0.5......what could go wrong?
its instantaneous when she casts it. Im not talking about when she appears out of it. Im not already targeting her at that point...
: There NEEDS to be some kind of counter to Akali's smokescreen
I would simply like a .5 second delay before she gets to be invis... She walks up, Q/AA from range, then before you can auto, hits W, goes invis, and repeats step one...
: Sounds cool, but that's getting veeeery close into irelia territory
You could test it applying moonlight to any enemies hit with the damage portion, then just make it to where E clears ALL moonlight.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=23Rl5rQn,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T19:21:41.417+0000) > > Where does it day he gains no AD/AS per level? It doesn't say it, just assumed since they said that instead of skill points you get to decide how his stats increase.
> [{quoted}](name=SpongebobIsLife,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=23Rl5rQn,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T21:40:06.727+0000) > > It doesn't say it, just assumed since they said that instead of skill points you get to decide how his stats increase. If you are only "assuming" then you dont know that for sure: How I read it, is he gets bonus stats in place of his skill points. Which means he still has base stats and growth. Will know for sure once he is out, but I HIGHLY doubt that he will have no base stats or base scaling. SPECIFICALLY because it was not explicitly stated. Which RIOT would certain make sure to do.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=23Rl5rQn,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-26T14:23:27.937+0000) > > I cant wait for him to skillfully right click me with a variety of different right clicks. XD > > EDIT: Almost forgot to mention him building full lethality and stacking it with more free armor pen since he doesnt have to level up his skills. you are completely forgetting that he does not get as or ad per level, he has to choose it. If he went full pen, he would be a worse version of senna.
> [{quoted}](name=SpongebobIsLife,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=23Rl5rQn,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-11-26T19:18:17.092+0000) > > you are completely forgetting that he does not get as or ad per level, he has to choose it. If he went full pen, he would be a worse version of senna. Where does it day he gains no AD/AS per level?
: I, For One, Am Stoked for Aphelios
I cant wait for him to skillfully right click me with a variety of different right clicks. XD EDIT: Almost forgot to mention him building full lethality and stacking it with more free armor pen since he doesnt have to level up his skills.
Dominoo (NA)
: Really? You’re complaining about Soraka getting an ultimate skin? Karma just got a Dark Star skin and is getting a Dawnbringer skin and here you are complaining about Soraka. smh
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 22
{{item:3070}} {{champion:72}} {{item:3070}} Still haven't gotten reverted or reworked... Sad Skarner is Sad...
: What if Cloud Drake gave Tenacity instead of lower Ult CDR?
I like the idea of Cloud drake representing "freedom of movement", so move speed buffs, tenacity, or slow resist all sound like better ideas to me since we already have ultimate hunter rune...
: Patch 9.23 notes
"Dark harvest stacks affect other keystones..." What?
: Very detailed post, the rework is a good compromise of live skarner gameplay, with some more modern twists!
Thanks for your contribution to it!
Herethicc (EUW)
: Are these posts ever listened to? I'm really curious
I can't say they've ever been specifically adhered to, but it is my understanding that riot does see them and makes a note of them in order to pass them on to people who are assigned a project if the post was well thought out and of good quality. But who knows? The bigger goal here is of course to keep Skarner visible. Though I do think my work here is good XD
Violett (NA)
: How do I carry this?
In this case, you were 100% out performed. I mean, I can only see the score lines, but every lane (yours included) seems to have lost. :/ Rough game, and they happen. Can't carry them all.
: Personally I'm fine with the current Skarner. Building bruiser early doesn't feel bad because you'll feel just as squishy if you fall behind as tank. {{item:1400}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3742}} {{item:3194}} {{item:2422}} is exactly how I want to play skarner. You don't feel gimped outside of your spires, and inside them you're a god. If he really needs anything, slow resist on W, as you suggested, would be a fine buff. He has all the tools he needs to succeed as he currently is. He's just not exciting to play for a lot of people. If he gets reworked, what I want most is W CD reduced by AAs again. If E got returned to a self-heal instead of CC for dueling potential, then entire kit's CDs going down with AAs. Hell, with original Skarner, they could have kept the slow on his Q and just added a per-target CD that scales down (if at all) with levels (or CDR?). I would have been completely fine with that. OG Skarner's E was often regarded as 'useless', but that wasn't the case. He was just too mana hungry early and it did very little at low ranks and without the additional EHP of resists. Once you started putting points in E late game, you had incredible staying power in fights due to how often you could spam E and W in combination with all of your resists. For those of you that don't remember his old E, even the wiki page doesn't list the old version. >Fracture (E) Skarner summons a blast of crystalline energy which deals damage to enemies struck and marks them. Any further damage dealt to marked targets by Skarner will allow him to consume the mark to heal himself.
You could have the current Skarner without the spires, and you wouldn't be locked into only playing the jungle or only building full tank in higher levels of play. The only major changes that NEEDS to happen is Skarner needs a new passive and that power put back into his kit. My suggestion just also adds a new layer of paint to the kit in order to help make him feel more modernized.
Avicou (NA)
: I really like this. I think there should be another component to the passive (although I couldn't say exactly what), but at this point anything is better than Crystal Spires. Extra objective mini-games are not something League needs. His other abilities that are functionally similar are fine, but I could stand to have a bit more added for the purpose of skill expression. Probably make his ult more like WW's. Up the cast range a bit, make Skarner dash into melee range to grab them, then dash out to devour the target or to reposition to maximize the damage you get off at the end.
Thanks for the support! I and many others have never liked the idea of making Skarner's ultimate a skill shot, and I definitely dont like the idea of adding any dashes into his kit. Skarner being not incredibly mobile is his biggest counter point.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 15
Poor Skarner is 4 plus years with this forced on passive. There are a lot of discussions on Skarner and ways to go with him. Have you guys seen any of it?
AidanWR (NA)
: There was an old bug with Yasuo where if you quickly looked away, then back at you champ while spin-dashing, it would fully reset cooldown. They supposedly fixed it, but they also supposedly fixed Nunu bug, and it's still a thing
I wonder if it's the same bug. I have never been able to replicate that one.
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