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: focus sona??
The highest damage squishy champion (usually the ADC if they know what they're doing) should always be the top priority in a team fight. Once the champ is dead, your team will have more damage than the opposing team so you're at a massive advantage. There's no ADC in the game that can't be bursted down in a second if all 5 people on your team target them at the same time. But after we get the ADC, I almost always focus Sona second. She's generally the second priority. The game is really easy when people target in sync with one another. Almost every lost team fight occurs because the enemy team was targeting one champ at a time while the ally team was splitting up their damage.
: Better Indication of AOE's
Malphite's ult will only do damage within that small circle that appears when you use the ult. The best way to use his ult is wait for the enemy team to group up, maybe wait for some cc, and launch in at as many enemy champs as possible. It's also great for chasing people down, just put the circle on the spot they're GOING to be at in a second (so basically put it ahead of them, don't put it directly on them or they'll already be out of the areas by the time you land). It's not a very large AoE spell, so you can usually only hit 2 people with it, but I've gotten 3 a number of times.
Keyru (NA)
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: I cannot see any positivity in League.
I've been playing for like 4 -5 months now. Almost everyone says "gg," I see quite a few of the "ggwp." "Glhf" has been pretty rare. Buy ya, the LoL community is extremely toxic. It helps to let people know you're new so their expectations are lower. I did that a lot when I first started playing and saw good improvement
: So 30 minutes of flaming them is making you feel better...... sure..... shouldnt that be said and done and finished after 1 comment? If it takes more than that, then you did not get any satisfaction. Thus, the reason why you are continuing. It is not me that is saying you do not get satiafaction, it is simple logic and a bit of psychology which does not even need to be taken for it to be understood. So if all of your team didnt want to play besides the troll, then how come you spent 30+ minutes when you can surrender at 15 (if troll says yes)... or at 20 (even if troll says no) minutes? Why use the extra time to flame them? It is useless flaming them. It does nothing. Simple fact and truth. Realize that, and you wouldnt have had to deal with multiple punishments already.
I love how you're telling me YOU know what makes ME feel better without knowing me. I'm entering a PhD program in Psychology. 4.0 GPA, I've worked as a research lab manager for multiple reputable members of the field. I highly doubt you're educated in the discipline nearly as much as I am. There are actual scientific studies disproving what you're saying (in some contexts, it's harmful for emotional well-being to critique an aggressor and in some contexts it's very beneficial). When you say "psychology that does not even need to be taken in for it to be understood," you're really just saying, "I have a lot of confidence in how I intuitively understand social interaction to the point where I think I can call it psychology." Psychology is based on science and statistics, not your personal opinions no matter how confident in them you are. If you don't know that, you actually have no knowledge what the field of psychology actually is. I'd be happy to share peer-reviewed articles on the topic with you (although I'm busy at the moment). Every time I'm faced with a troll like this, they never surrender at 15. But you're correct, my team generally surrenders at 20. However, even in games where my team surrenders at 20, the game actually does last close to 30 minutes when taking into account champ select and load time. I added 30 PLUS because for some inconcievable reason, there's always a 2nd player in the team who refuses to surrender even when a troll is intentionally feeding. I never once stayed in a game longer than I had to to "flame" at a troll. That would just waste even more of my time.
: So 30 minutes of flaming them is making you feel better...... sure..... shouldnt that be said and done and finished after 1 comment? If it takes more than that, then you did not get any satisfaction. Thus, the reason why you are continuing. It is not me that is saying you do not get satiafaction, it is simple logic and a bit of psychology which does not even need to be taken for it to be understood. So if all of your team didnt want to play besides the troll, then how come you spent 30+ minutes when you can surrender at 15 (if troll says yes)... or at 20 (even if troll says no) minutes? Why use the extra time to flame them? It is useless flaming them. It does nothing. Simple fact and truth. Realize that, and you wouldnt have had to deal with multiple punishments already.
I love how you're telling me YOU know what makes ME feel better without knowing me. I'm entering a PhD program in Psychology. 4.0 GPA, I've worked as a research lab manager for multiple reputable members of the field. I highly doubt you're educated in the discipline nearly as much as I am. There are actual scientific studies disproving what you're saying (in some contexts, it's harmful for emotional well-being to critique and aggressor and in some contexts it's very beneficial). When you say "psychology that does not even need to be taken in for it to be understood," you're really just saying, "I have a lot of confidence in how I intuitively understand social interaction to the point where I think I can call it psychology." Psychology is based on science and statistics, not your personal opinions no matter how confident in them you are. If you don't know that, you actually have no knowledge what the field of psychology actually is. I'd be happy to share peer-reviewed articles on the topic with you (although I'm busy at the moment).
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: 1. You letting off steam can still be fairly irritating to the rest of the team. I like to remember a certain incident where the subway I needed to take had a pretty long delay, which was **really** annoying to me and presumably everybody else on the train. But much more annoying than that, to me, was the guy who kept loudly complaining about the delay in what was at least a 15 minute rant. My destination came before theirs, so I can't tell how long it went on after that. 2. There are plenty of people who will yell at bad players because they are convinced that they are inting. Changing the rules so that these people would then **also** be convinced that they won't be punished is only going to increase that number more, subjecting more **innocent** players to toxicity. This also ties into point #3: 3. Making it allowed to yell at other players if they are inting, essentially requires players to make a judgement on whether that player **is** inting. That's neither something players **can** always do reasonably well, nor is it something they have any authority to do in the first place. Even **outlaws** were somewhat officially declared outlaws by somebody who had the authority to do so, and not just by some random civilian. And the concept of outlaws leads me to point #4: 4. Clearly there is the downside for the intentional feeder if they do not wish to be yelled at. To repeat the point I've made in my own separate post: The concept of outlaws is outdated. Rules and laws should apply to everybody, both in terms of duties and in terms of rights. Is that enough downsides for you?
Not at all... You're 4th downside is literally what my post is about, so it makes no sense why you brought that up (my whole post was arguing why it's ridiculous to protect the feelings of the intentional feeder) 2 of you're downsides are based on the assumption that what I'm suggesting will allow people to get angry at NON-intentional feeders. You're first downside is that my criticism of the player ruining the game for myself and my team is going to annoy my team. This is almost too ludicrous to respond to, but I'll do it anyway. I assume (because there's no other option) you think a player's response to intentional feeders should be to mute them and report them. The fact I should report them means that Riot had a way of determining intentional feeding. So if they look at a game, see that the player being yelled at was actually intentional feeding, there should be no penalty issues to the teammate criticizing him. If they look at a game and see the person WASN'T intentionally feeding, then the teammate will get a penalty and he'll know for the future not to get angry at someone like that unless he's POSITIVE they're really intentionall feeding. So you're 2nd and 3rd downside are easily resolved by Riot themselves in the exact way I suggested they should approach it in my post: determine if the person being critiqued was intentional feeding, and if he was, don't hold his victims accountable. In regards to your first downside, while I completley disgree with the idea that your teammates wouldn't be on board with your criticism, it can be easily resolved in a way that won't bother the teammates at all. They can mute you. You're teammates won't be muting you because they think your doing something incorrect by critiquing the player who ruined the game, they'll be doing it to just dissattach themselves from the bad situation as much as possible and avoid thinking about it. There's no downside to them for muting you because it's not like they need to communicate with you for the sake of winning the game that is now unwinnable. And they're not muting you for any negative reason related to the morality of your actions. So your first downside, which will almost never happen anway, is easily resolved even if it does happen in a way that doesn't indicate anything bad about you.
: The reason why it is punishable is simple. "If everyone takes an eye for an eye, then the world would be left with many blind people." Two wrongs do not make a right. You critisizing them will NOT make them play better. Getting angry at them does not help YOU play better. It does not help ANYONE in any way shape or form. It does not even relieve your stress with that person because all they will do is laugh and then you will get even more upset. Simple solution is to not feed the trolls, and ignore them. Ignore their very existance and report them after game. 1 report is the same as 9, so no need to call out for reports because it brings them attention. "If i cant be famous, ill be infamous" tends to be some peoples goals. Dont give them either and they evemtually just quit all together when enough of the people ignore them.
It definitely makes me feel better...no offense, but who are you to say what does and doesn't make OTHER people feel better? If anything, the knowledge that I CAN'T say anything or I'll be penalized, even if I want to, makes the whole situation even MORE irritating. And if it makes me PLAY worse, that's irrelevant because the game is over anyway and you can't even play well if you tried after a certain point. (This isn't just a 4v5, it's a 4v5 with one of your teammates actively helping the other team; almost zero percent chance you can win unless other team is REALLY bad)
Voldymort (EUNE)
: question: how does harassing the inters and trolls stop them from trolling or inting instead of making things worse? the average troll is doing that to get a reaction out of you. you're basically doing exactly what he wanted by going ham on him and arguing in chat instead of playing isn't helping your chances of winning either. just mute/ignore and report. it's not a hard concept {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Did you even read the post? Once again, you have ignored everything I said. My point had nothing to do with trying to get them to stop. The point is you should be allowed to criticize them to let off steam. But Riot doesn't let you. Why shouldn't they us blow off steam at this person responsible for the whole situation? What's the DOWNSIDE when this player has already ruined the game? And, as an aside, by using the word "average troll" you answered your own question...the average troll are trying to get a reaction, some are just high or drunk. You can get people intentionally feeding when they're high or drunk to stop doing it if you make them feel guilty enough. But again, that's not the main point I was making regardless.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Shap the Goat ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TjfgIJff,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-01T12:03:55.885+0000) > > This is exactly why the system should be changed. Why are you trying to protect the troll? Why should I be the the getting reported because I got somewhat irritated at an intentional feeder and tried to convince them to stop feeding by threatening to report? I am not trying to protect the troll, I am however explaining why you more than this person are likely to get in trouble. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, CONSTANTLY FLAME IN CHAT THAT A TEAM MATE IS AFK/FEEDING/TOXIC/ETC! This counts as harassment and is far worse than whatever they are doing, barring they are also harassing you with their chat. That is why I said what I said. If you have a problem with that, I don't care. You need to realize that in most game modes, there are 9 other people watching you and possibly your chat. As stated before, if a situation like this comes up again, make the comment once, mute the player's chat and ignore them. Play the best you can. Then you are free to report them and not have to worry as much about getting reported for something you said since you barely said anything.
So do you just not have a response to what I said? You presented yourself in a very confident way and then seemed to have shied away the second you were faced with a counterargument. You clearly cared enough about the topic and my opinion on it to write up an initial comment. Whether you responded for my benefit or your own (perhaps you just enjoy debating on this topic), I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't take the time to respond to my very reasonable counterpoints (as the time you already invested into your initial comment indicates you're a person who doesn't mind taking five minutes to respond to these posts).
Voldymort (EUNE)
: th first reason is that most trollers **DON'T CARE**. they are doing it specifically to annoy people and someone else starting to flame them, to threaten with reports and other stuff like that is validating their behaviour. you're giving them exactly what they want: attention the second reason is that **reports don't stack** and anyone who ever bothered to reasearch how reports work for 2 minutes knows this https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player ***"Things to avoid*** *Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.* ***Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.*** *Negative behavior is unacceptable regardless of the circumstances or who started it. It can be tempting to respond to negative players with negativity of your own. Our systems do not care who started the behavior and will treat each reported player based off the merits of their own case. The only way to handle these types of players is to mute them and continue playing the game followed by giving them a report at the end of the match."*
You keep making this assumption that the current league rules are somehow infallible and actually dictate the MORAL truth of whether players should be allowed to tell off an intentional feeder. I think I've more than demonstrated the number flaws jn your arguments. Honestly, to me, you don't even seem to be responding in a manner resembling any logical coherency at this point. It's plainly obvious this conversation is going nowhere, so we can agree to disagree. But please know that while I avidly disagree with your perspective, I truly do not hold it against you on a personal level whatsoever. We can disgree on an issue to the point that I even think you're being stubborn or thoughtless, but I prefer to look at debates in a vacuum; I can still respect you as a person in every other aspect (based on cheerfully optimistic assumption, as I don't actually know you) outside of this discussion. Have an amazing day!
: No, I have no idea what 2 reasons you have decided are the main 2 reasons why the course of action I have decided only sometimes works. I can guess, but why would I try to read your mind? Determining the main reason behind a matter like this is clearly a matter of opinion as opposed to known fact, unless you can prove something is the main reason with empirical data.
But if you want me to guess at what you believe the 2 main reasons are, I'll give it a shot: 1. Criticizing or threatening to report an intentional feeder who is acting out of pure maliciousness will just egg them on. (Although this would not necessarily be the case for a person intentionally feeding because they're high, drunk, or just want to act silly) 2. It's pretty rare to get everyone on a team to agree to report a single player in game chat, even an intentional feeder, and present a united front.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Why do I need it to work 100% of the time? because if it only works "sometimes" and not on the "vast majority" then it's not a particularly effective course of action and it only accomplishes in causing needless drama. im curious. do you know why it only works "sometimes"? there's two reasons for it. the first one is obvious but do you know what the second reason is?
No, I have no idea what 2 reasons you have decided are the main 2 reasons why the course of action I have decided only sometimes works. I can guess, but why would I try to read your mind? Determining the main reason behind a matter like this is clearly a matter of opinion as opposed to known fact, unless you can prove something is the main reason with empirical data.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Even if the odds are low, I have had mutlipel occasions where my whole team threatened to report a player who was intentionally feeding and he stopped. Some intentional feeders are just people acting silly for whatever reason and a warning like that can definitely scare them into compliance. Do you disgree? anecdotal evidence is not evidence. just because some people will stop when threatened with reports, it doesn;t mean that they all will >Although **the vast majority of intentional feeders **I've come across have ignored whatever their team says, I've definitely had a decent number cases where someone stopped after a whole team agreed to report him. case in point do you have any **actual** evidence that flaming a troller will stop him from trolling 100% of the time instead of making things worse?
Why do I need it to work 100% of the time? The INTENTIONAL FEEDER is the CAUSE of the entire problem. This person has forgone any right they have to not be subjected to criticizim. The FOCUS should be on how to fix this problem for the players currently in the game with this intentional feeder. If the entire team threatening to report him or telling him off has any chance of success (which it obviously does), then they should be able to utilize that! The only person harmed by these comments is the intentional feeder himself, and he deserves to experience negative feelings from these comments because he's the one ruining the game. You have this weird assumption that any comment criticizing another individual shouldn't be allowed in league even if it's made toward a toxic player, unless that comment can GUARANTEE that player will change their behavior. Your focus is completely on the comment itself, as opposed to the problem at hand, the intentional feeder, the teammates speaking to him and the intentions behind their comments.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >You think it's toxic to make a comment to a toxic player in order to potentially stop them from ruining the game? please enlighten me! how does a **negative**(because you are still in denial about that chat being toxic) comment prevent a toxic player from being toxic further?
First off, me proving that my comments have a chance of successs in coming the intentional feeder to stop us irrelevant in determining whether or not they can be considered "toxic." But like I said above to MordridtheBlack, "You're basically arguing that when dealing with an intentional feeder, a team just has to accept their next 15 minutes are wasted and all they can do about it is make a single comment. The fact they can report the player after the game doesn't help them fix the problem in the game itself (and let's be honest, it's a known fact that riot almost never implements a ban based on intentional feeding anyways]! Although the vast majority of intentional feeders I've come across have ignored whatever their team says, I've definitely had a decent number cases where someone stopped after a whole team agreed to report him. This is an option and solution that players should be able to utilize without fear of getting penalized themselves for criticizing an intentional feeder." Even if the odds are low, I have had mutliple occasions where my whole team threatened to report a player who was intentionally feeding and he stopped. Some intentional feeders are just people acting silly for whatever reason (I assume a decent amount are drunk or high) and a warning like that can definitely scare them into compliance. Do you disgree?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Explain how me telling off or warning a troll that I'll report them in the hopes that it'll convince them to stop, even multiple times, is even close to as bad as what the troll is doing himself? it doesn't matter who is "the worst" out of two toxic players. it's not a contest >Either you haven't thought the issue out, you have some stake in enforcing an arbitrary and irrational rule, or you have some misguided sympathy for intentionally feeders. I can't understand why you would maintain this option otherwise. >I'm curious, do you work for riot? "everyone who disagrees with me is either working for riot or a troll themselves" {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
You think it's toxic to make a comment to a toxic player in order to potentially stop them from ruining the game? Riot has you completely brainwashed bro.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shap the Goat ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TjfgIJff,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-01T12:03:55.885+0000) > > This is exactly why the system should be changed. Why are you trying to protect the troll? Why should I be the the getting reported because I got somewhat irritated at an intentional feeder and tried to convince them to stop feeding by threatening to report? I am not trying to protect the troll, I am however explaining why you more than this person are likely to get in trouble. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, CONSTANTLY FLAME IN CHAT THAT A TEAM MATE IS AFK/FEEDING/TOXIC/ETC! This counts as harassment and is far worse than whatever they are doing, barring they are also harassing you with their chat. That is why I said what I said. If you have a problem with that, I don't care. You need to realize that in most game modes, there are 9 other people watching you and possibly your chat. As stated before, if a situation like this comes up again, make the comment once, mute the player's chat and ignore them. Play the best you can. Then you are free to report them and not have to worry as much about getting reported for something you said since you barely said anything.
Explain how me telling off or warning a troll that I'll report them in the hopes that it'll convince them to stop, even multiple times, is even close to as bad as what the troll is doing himself? The troll is ensuring 4 other players are going to lose a game and waste 15 minutes of their day. The person trying to get the troll to stop is trying to fix the situation. And why would anybody other than the troll care if another plays tells the troll off? You make it sound as if other people are somehow emotionally harmed by reading my comments to another individual who they are irritated with as well. You're basically arguing that when dealing with an intentional feeder, a team just has to accept their next 15 minutes are wasted and all they can do about it is make a single comment. The fact they can report the player after the game doesn't help them fix the problem in the game itself (and let's be honest, it's a known fact that riot almost never implements a ban based on intentional feeding anyways]! Although the vast majority of intentional feeders I've come across have ignored whatever their team says, I've definitely had a decent number cases where someone stopped after a whole team agreed to report him. This is an option and solution that players should be able to utilize without fear of getting penalized themselves for criticizing an intentional feeder. I'm curious, do you work for riot?
: The issue here is that you kept stoking a fire. You only need to make the comment once in chat, not multiple times. Continuing to do so is, Harassment. Yet despite that you kept bringing it up. So any punishment you got out of this was justified. Next time, if you see something like this happening, make ONE comment about the situation, and then mute the player in question and ignore them. And be sure to report them. Do not spend x-amount of your match making constant comments about the problem or you will be the one getting reported and punished more than the other player.
This is exactly why the system should be changed. Why are you trying to protect the troll? Why should I be the the getting reported because I got somewhat irritated at an intentional feeder and tried to convince them to stop feeding by threatening to report?
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