: Player misbehavior in champion select. Are there any repercussions?
I would say a more important issue that you touched on isnt people dodging but people trolling champ select. There is no way to punish people for prelobby. I am a huge troll in champ select. I love it. I claim to feed, lock nonsense champs etc. 99% of the time someone dodges other than me and then I repeat. I have a huge .txt document of people calling me a troll, screaming, etc. I copy paste this into the lobby (usually causing an instant dodge). I ONLY queue support, this allows me to get into a lobby with 0 wait time and 0 downtime between lobbies (using riots system against itself again). The math is where it gets fun. I can usually ruin a lobby in about 1-2mins, then 0-30seconds for requeue. My best is causing 5 dodges in 8mins. I did this hundreds of times until i got bored. Now I use it as a tool. If i think the game looks unwinnable, or I dont like my team I just force a dodge by trolling. If it was really an alt account (like mine) they wont dodge, because they dont care.
Vallanos (NA)
: So what do you do then?.. For the constant inting and trolling problem?
Hi there, I am an intent feeder. I will let you in on a secret. RIOT DOESNT CARE ABOUT FEEDING THEY CARE IF YOU SAY NAUGHTY WORDS. I have tested it. If you insult players you will get chat banned damn near instantly. The last feeding troll account i made (ive had 4 of them banned so far) i fed something like 42 games in a row. Just spent a weekend doing it. I think it is because chat bans are done instantly with bots. Where as intent feeding takes a while to be kicked up to a staff person.
: There's been an awful lot of troll supports lately.
Support is a shitty job made shittier by having to pair with some of the most arrogant players that exist (adcs). I play supports like lux and zil that can build straight ap and I warn my teams going in. "Every insult will be a 10 cs penalty, if it hits 50cs no wardstone will be purchased". I find it cuts out all the "THIS SUPPORT" and "OMG WTF", and skips straight to them afking or screaming to report me. Where I then just steal all their cs and play pure ap. Good times. Also for bonus points since I queue support I have to wait in queue for 15 seconds. Making an adc dodge who had to wait 5mins to begin with is delicious.
: got banned but i don't know what for?
Banned for having a horrible font as the default in your email. DIsgusting.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=capslock kev,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-08-22T19:29:49.234+0000) > > i need a player reported... anybody who has played with or against mowgliRAWR. the whole game it was you're f***ing retarded or kys. Naming and shaming is against the rules (riots rules lol), You have been reported.
: a player that got banned will remake anew account but won't spend any money in case they get banned again
With the new loot system, why bother?
RedTao (NA)
: http://prnt.sc/c8zu33 Templar Iytsuna saying next punishment could be permaban despite it being 7 months later after punishment as well as my expressing that Riot employees dont like clarifying what they want to see. http://prnt.sc/c8zu94 The Unicorn saying I'm going to be permabanned despite it being 7 months after my last punishment http://prnt.sc/c8zv6p Wobbly Jibbler saying that it doesn't matter what Rioters say, community decides who gets punished. The association being the Summoners code doesn't matter, Lyte doesn't/didn't matter and the concept "dont be a jerk" doesn't matter. If players are offended by anything, it's punishable. http://prnt.sc/c8zwfo Princess Bubblegum saying what Wobbly Jibbler said, it doesn't matter if you follow rules/summoners code. Players decide what they get's punished. Even if you had no intention, people who assume you do take precedence. http://prnt.sc/c8zycq http://prnt.sc/c8zydp http://prnt.sc/c8zyeh http://prnt.sc/c8zyfd My first ticket asking when i'm going to be permabanned. Templar Iytsuna saying I'm already good despite the fact that I've done nothing different in my behavior *Refer to Princess Bubblegum screenshot above* http://prnt.sc/c8zzso http://prnt.sc/c8zztt Return of Agent Spoopy to say that Templar Iytsuna is a liar and that I could be permabanned anytime. Like Wobbly Jibbler said, it doesn't matter what Rioters say. So yes. Multiple Rioters are saying that regardless of what I do, what they say or how much time elapses, I'm going to be permabanned. If you'd like, i can show you their posts when I asked them if not having/getting runes is a punishible offense since they're stupid expensive. *Hint: You can be punished for not having them*
This is hilarious. They just emailed my ass and banned me forever.
: I would love to know... > If Riot was serious about letting people reform, the permaban wouldn't even exist. Then what exactly would they do? The same logic says that if police wanted people to reform they wouldn't send them to prison.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Zudane,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-22T13:34:21.520+0000) > > I would love to know... > > Then what exactly would they do? The same logic says that if police wanted people to reform they wouldn't send them to prison. The problem is that the ban system is a fucking joke. You can (and might) get banned for verbal abuse just because the trio on your team didnt like how you played. Then guess what? You are now a "bad account". Your reports count for less and you are marked for future punishments at a far lower threshold. Before I gave up and began trolling, a single game of reports from a duo during a game where I said nothing, got me 80 games of chat ban. And now with the loot system... once you are "bad" fuck it. Why wait the week-month of "good behavior" when you could just make a new account and troll your ASS off with the old one?
RedTao (NA)
: Are they not the same thing? Warnings and threats? They both mean that somethings going to happen, the difference is that one is that something will happen if something happens and the other is that someone will do something if something happens. Both are applicable to my situation. I don't hold myself in high importance, I just want to know Riot is doing the things they do with me. Im not asking them to take me off the punishment system, i'm asking them why they lied when they said that people can go down the punishment tiers if the behave for X amount of time. Why am I an exception? Why is my place not going down? Why say i'm going to be permabanned if it's apperantly not up to them? If they want me to be a positive player, why are they rewarding me for not changing my behavior? If they want me to be positive where is their examples? Their templates? Their standards? The standards don't exist because it's "Entirely up to the players" and the players can't even agree what they want to see. > You are that person that everybody wants to slap for being a whiny little brat - but you haven't done anything directly against the rules yet so nobody is allowed to do anything to you. According to Riot, it's the players who decide what's acceptable and what's not. Riot apperantly want's to be the person on the sidelines. They say that it's the players who decide who gets punished and who doesn't. You saying you want to slap me but not going to do it, Riot is saying that it's your fault for not standing up for what you believe is acceptable. This is the paradox in this. You know what's right/wrong, I assume you KNOW that what i'm doing is wrong, but you do nothing. This is the same with players in the community. They don't do anything even when something they know is wrong is happening. This is what Riot is saying: It's YOUR fault that nothing is happening to me. > They want a positive game experience, which leads to more people playing (and more income). If banning you makes a better experience for 10 people - then the greater good says goodbye to you. They KNOW for a fact that the game is better off without me. So why do they do nothing? Like it's stated above, Riot thinks it's you, the players, fault that I'm still here. You're not standing up for what you believe is right and wrong. I KNOW that i'm in the wrong. I've done nothing but this for the past year, I would know. The only reason why I'm like this now, despite knowing that this behavior is wrong, is because Riot is REWARDING me for it. I was declared me reformed by doing exactly what you're seeing now. I know this is wrong, you know this is wrong, odds are Riot knows it's wrong as well. This is why I'm so upset with what I now have to this just to avoid getting punishment. It's the only behavior Riot and the Community want's to see from me and there's nothing else I've done that got any positive reaction out of Riot/community.
You will get banned eventually but it takes an ETERNITY because unlike verbal abuse bans which are done automatically, behavioral bans have to go through "the system". That is what is so funny.. You could sit down and troll your ass off, doing nothing but intent feeding and it would take dayyyys of ruined games before you got banned. Before my last account was banned (this account actually) I used to play a game: I would introduce myself and say "unfortunately due to the toxic player of others I have had to develop a system" Every insult, I charged them "10 cs penalty" and stole 10 cs. Every "report ____" I would feed a kill. It was great fun. One guy (who was in promos) forced me to die 35 times in one game. It took me weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeks to get banned.
Lirik (NA)
: i actualy encourage any newly banned person to seek out for vengence and try to ruin the experiance as much as possible for any other players out there who ruined it for you by playing ranked and didn't even know the fuck they were doing.
> [{quoted}](name=Lirik,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-08-22T19:58:30.479+0000) > > i actualy encourage any newly banned person to seek out for vengence and try to ruin the experiance as much as possible for any other players out there who ruined it for you by playing ranked and didn't even know the fuck they were doing. Delicious
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Zudane,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-08-22T04:50:23.006+0000) > > Right, how terrible and money grubbing a company must be to tell it's players that they should try to improve and make a new free account and follow the rules and do better. So amazingly terrible and money grubbing, suggesting improvement... how shameless! Haha thanks for proving how ignorant the above comment is with your input on trolling. Sometimes these boards are pretty amusing especially when people refuse to believe that the current system doesn't work in creating less trolls and flamers. You being the example of how the permabanning system isn't working to help make the community better.
> [{quoted}](name=MrStealYoGanks,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-08-22T09:00:08.507+0000) > > Haha thanks for proving how ignorant the above comment is with your input on trolling. Sometimes these boards are pretty amusing especially when people refuse to believe that the current system doesn't work in creating less trolls and flamers. > > You being the example of how the permabanning system isn't working to help make the community better. The hilarious part is that with their draconian rules against "verbal abuse" I report people who call me a troll ( rightfully as I am one) and THEY get banned for insulting ME by calling me a troll. It's delicious.
Lirik (NA)
: 100 % agree with you i loved evey bit of your story i can relate to this 100% i am myself heading to league to troll some Phucktards
> [{quoted}](name=Lirik,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0aILbm96,comment-id=00040003,timestamp=2016-08-22T19:59:56.831+0000) > > 100 % agree with you i loved evey bit of your story i can relate to this 100% i am myself heading to league to troll some Phucktards Its the only way.
: So is being a fuckin' prick because you think you get to use pings to order around the other 4 people on your team. 2 wrongs don't make a right, but y'know, some entitled little shitheads don't learn any other way. (A "1 ping limit" is probably a bit low, though, but the intent is justifiable imo. They don't give respect, then they don't receive respect)
> [{quoted}](name=Shinjusuke,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAeH4cRA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-22T21:47:17.288+0000) > > So is being a fuckin' prick because you think you get to use pings to order around the other 4 people on your team. > > 2 wrongs don't make a right, but y'know, some entitled little shitheads don't learn any other way. > > (A "1 ping limit" is probably a bit low, though, but the intent is justifiable imo. They don't give respect, then they don't receive respect) Do you have any idea how long it takes to get banned for feeding? More than a season (and counting). As as you dont call someone a homo, riot doesnt care.
: Pings should be semi-muted when you mute someone
For every ping above 1 I do the opposite. Such as charge to my death when spam pinged to retreat. They learn REAL fast, or we lose real fast. Either way it stops.
: > [{quoted}](name=ShineySides,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bfXFA4Ni,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-08-22T06:56:17.268+0000) > > The new queue system is also EXCELLENT for Trolling. It's much easier and faster! > > I troll constantly on my account (not this one obviously). I only play jhin support. It causes dodges and screaming and chaos constantly. > > The key is, QUEUE AS SUPPORT. If you queue support you ALWAYS get instant pops. > > I am back in a lobby after causing a dodge in 5-10 seconds. If not instantly. > > Today I caused 222 lp worth of dodges. (74 lobbies if you cant do the math). > > I caused 10 dodges in 10 minutes. > > It was amazing. > > The queue system is stupid as hell. > > For bonus points: > > Simply lock support. Then pick whatever champ you want to. When that guy starts screaming in all chat, lie and say that he had support and you dont get why people act this way. > > 9/10 that guy will freak the hell out and you can pin it on HIM being the troll and get HIM reported. I get so many honors in game doing that. > > The best part is, I got an account banned for verbal abuse in like 3 days, the automated system is super quick. My troll "dodge account" IM STILL PLAYING since the beginning of the season. Ive played over 90 games as jhin support (with a 39% winrate thanks). And thats the games that went through! > > I am like singled handedly bringing the average elo score down by removing 3lp at at time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL7PSlUuWPs
> [{quoted}](name=PhantomGG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bfXFA4Ni,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2016-08-22T07:37:16.333+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL7PSlUuWPs I am the hero that Riot needs. Also LP FOR THE TROLL GOD!
: Attention newly banned players
IF you get banned it teaches you how to be a better troll. For example I USED to yell at teamates, but you get banned SUPER fast for verbal abuse. NOW INSTEAD I use the new queue system for Trolling. It's much easier and faster! I only play jhin support. It causes dodges and screaming and chaos constantly. The key is, QUEUE AS SUPPORT. If you queue support you ALWAYS get instant pops. I am back in a lobby after causing a dodge in 5-10 seconds. If not instantly. Today I caused 222 lp worth of dodges. (74 lobbies if you cant do the math). I caused 10 dodges in 10 minutes. It was amazing. I got an account banned for verbal abuse in like 3 days, the automated system is super quick. My troll "dodge account" IM STILL PLAYING since the beginning of the season. Ive played over 90 games as jhin support (with a 39% winrate thanks). And thats the games that went through! P.s. Riot disagrees, the lowered the amount of time it takes to get to lvl 30 by 50% a few patches ago. Now its even faster to get back to trolling.
: Riot Ranked has lost all meaning, please fix for season 7
The new queue system is also EXCELLENT for Trolling. It's much easier and faster! I troll constantly on my account (not this one obviously). I only play jhin support. It causes dodges and screaming and chaos constantly. The key is, QUEUE AS SUPPORT. If you queue support you ALWAYS get instant pops. I am back in a lobby after causing a dodge in 5-10 seconds. If not instantly. Today I caused 222 lp worth of dodges. (74 lobbies if you cant do the math). I caused 10 dodges in 10 minutes. It was amazing. The queue system is stupid as hell. For bonus points: Simply lock support. Then pick whatever champ you want to. When that guy starts screaming in all chat, lie and say that he had support and you dont get why people act this way. 9/10 that guy will freak the hell out and you can pin it on HIM being the troll and get HIM reported. I get so many honors in game doing that. The best part is, I got an account banned for verbal abuse in like 3 days, the automated system is super quick. My troll "dodge account" IM STILL PLAYING since the beginning of the season. Ive played over 90 games as jhin support (with a 39% winrate thanks). And thats the games that went through! I am like singled handedly bringing the average elo score down by removing 3lp at at time.
: i cant tell if you're being serious or not
> [{quoted}](name=BattleMage130902,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n1sHgLpM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-22T06:36:01.579+0000) > > i cant tell if you're being serious or not 100% serious. Heres a log for the day: S***: support wtf 0l*** : wtf dude Captain D*** : ffs Can**** : what a troll CanO***: fucking troll i***ua : aint wasting a rank game hy***can Iglet: rip troll M****ck14D : you make me so sad tur***lkc: dodge ue aka***123 : how is this guy not banned yet Arkli***LLS4L: honestly is it something about my naem that attracts the trolls Garga***MURG: wtf SpyKi***umb Bref: suck a dick jay***dy : i hate this game Se***r SUDA: someone dodge please Do****sGumby : dodge? LS***: wtf? invis****ninja98 r011: ur bad no****agenerd : dude youre a clown Kup****ANGR: Imma save you all the trouble Kup0****NGR: and dodge Magn****Sorel: do you really need to be a stupid jerk? R*****or : why does the fuckbrain always have to be on my team *****eyko D04H!: wtf And these were only the good ones. ( i removed most of their account names. )
: It Takes 15 Minutes to Get Into a Game Nowadays
This is why you should just troll. I troll constantly on my account (not this one obviously). I only play jhin support. It causes dodges and screaming and chaos constantly. The key is, QUEUE AS SUPPORT. If you queue support you ALWAYS get instant pops. I am back in a lobby after causing a dodge in 5-10 seconds. If not instantly. Today I caused 222 lp worth of dodges. (74 lobbies if you cant do the math). I caused 10 dodges in 10 minutes. It was amazing. The queue system is stupid as hell. EDIT-- I forgot the part that applies to you. Simply lock support. Then pick whatever champ you want to. When that guy starts screaming in all chat, lie and say that he had support and you dont get why people act this way. 9/10 that guy will freak the hell out and you can pin it on HIM being the troll and get HIM reported. I get so many honors in game doing that.
: I'm officially tilted.
Troll your ass off in games. I used to be sad about losing as support. Now I only play Jhin support and its hilarious. People dodge, scream, feed, afk. All hell breaks loose in every game. And its WAAAAAAAAY more fun than actually playing. Today I caused 219 lp worth of dodges in lobbies, just by locking jhin support. The best part is that since I queue support, I am RIGHT back in lobby 10 seconds later.
kdizz (NA)
: You are ineligible to earn loot due to previous behavioral restrictions.
Wait 3 months? For a 10 game chat ban? Fuck that. Time to roll a new account. Guess I will just use my "bad standing " account for when I want to troll constantly, since who cares right? I cant earn skins so fuck it. And its even easier to level new accounts. This is the same kind of shit I wrote about when my "main" account was in bad standing. Being reported by a 4 man team for "trolling" because they were asses would get me 30+ games chat banned, because I was a "bad player". I wanted to recover the account since I had it since beta, but after getting 125 game chat banned I just intent fed for as long as possible until it got perma banned (to make a point, it took WAAAAAAAAAY longer to get banned for intent feeding than it did to get chat restrictions), then made a new account. I realized no matter what I did a SINGLE troll team would send me to "jail" for weeks and it wasnt worth it. WHEN YOU MAKE REFORMING HARDER THAN LEVELING PEOPLE WONT REFORM. System is working!
: Upcoming Upgrades to Chat Restrictions
YES finally a reason to actually reform my account.. Getting 60 game chat bans out of nowhere was awful.
: the amount of toxic idiots in plat is unreal
My favorite part is when they report you because THEY suck, and then you get a 75 game chat ban. The system works though guys!
: The incentive for not being a jerk is; 1. Having a more pleasant experience in the game that often results in better performance and more wins, and 2. Not getting banned. If you don't like those incentives, please don't play this game. Most people figure this out and reform, but then there's people like this...
> [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mev3muMc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-05T02:30:15.161+0000) > > The incentive for not being a jerk is; > > 1. Having a more pleasant experience in the game that often results in better performance and more wins, and > 2. Not getting banned. > > If you don't like those incentives, please don't play this game. Most people figure this out and reform, but then there's people like this... As I stated I have been attempting to turn my games around. Ive tried to be encouraging and I like my account. But it seems ever 10 or so games I get a troller who screams to report everyone, or just plain old makes stuff up that I said/did in all chat. And then I am banned regardless of my behavior often for WAY WAY Longer than when I WAS toxic.
: How do you keep getting chat bans and restrictions. There must be more to this story.
> [{quoted}](name=JustGotFired,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=mev3muMc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-05T02:29:35.291+0000) > > How do you keep getting chat bans and restrictions. There must be more to this story. I find that the players who often scream to report me are Bronze Duos. It seems that part of being a bronze duo is "report this whole team" when they do poorly.
: There is no incentive to turn around toxic behavior.
Thats the thing though.. that is exactly what I did and now Im banned for MORE games. If I play 30 minute games its going to take me 40ish HOURS to complete my chat ban... only to probably get another one immediately over something I cant control.
Rioter Comments
: Automatic report system. verbal abuse.
It takes your X games reported/ X games played in those reports. If it hits a ratio you get chat banned.. IF you have been chat banned before its much easier. Thats why people who dont say things get chat banned and other malarky.
: I've heard of some trolls reporting abuse/harassment just to get others banned. Troll-reporting to ban innocent people is pretty messed up.
> [{quoted}](name=CryoNinja,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Ao3wE6TR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:11:49.964+0000) > > I've heard of some trolls reporting abuse/harassment just to get others banned. Troll-reporting to ban innocent people is pretty messed up. That's what I have seen an experienced before. Like you get a very verbal duo who both report you and boom. And if this number of bans never goes down that could result in a 70+ ban for me next time....
: Are chat ban punishments accumulative or based on severity?
I dont want to abuse the system. I just dont like going 2 months without a chat ban to log in and find oh look 62 game ban suddenly because I am pretty dam sure it just takes your previous ban amount adds 5-10 and gives you that much next time. Which just encourages people to remake accounts instead of trying to fix their old ones. I could level several accounts to 30 and troll all day in the time it takes me to clear 62 games of chat bans.
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: Dear Anyone Who Plays Soraka
It is all about healing efficiency and effectiveness. If you stack HP on her you a reducing the ability to self heal from Q. Eventually to the point where you have to land multiple Q's to compensate for the healing you are putting out. This in turn drastically reduces the amount of healing you can put out before you go "out of mana" by running out of life. Basically by stacking AP, I can full heal myself and do thousands of healing to allies with the amount of hp I gain from landing a SINGLE Q. Furthermore by stacking AP your heals become more powerful, to a point that you can critically outheal the damage the enemy team is putting out. Basically at ~ 600 ap, I self heal 305 hp PER target I hit with a Q. Then heal someone 600 hp like 5 times in a row.
: Soraka
> [{quoted}](name=The Rein,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N88Fpdlv,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-05-07T19:42:21.142+0000) > > {{champion:16}} I don't know if it is just me but i love playing soraka. The only problem is her heal cost is to high at heath at 10% of max hp if anything i think it should be current hp or lower it to 5% of max hp. Any thoughts????? Run no +hp at ALL, NONE. I stack AP all day on her with armor and magic resist. When Im playing her I literally jump from 1/8 to full hp landing Qs because with 0 + hp and a ton of AP the passive heal heals for like 100% of my health. OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. I kite people to death regularly. And you can literally heal forever because you are putting out 400+ heals every 3 seconds and the second you start to die you hit someone with a Q and BOOM you are full hp again. I dont even run flash on her. Heal/exhaust and stay behind people. If they start to target you, hit q and full heal yourself, or pop your ult and full heal yourself, or pop your summoner heal and heal the hell out of yourself, or stasis, then hit r and full heal yourself. The whole time running in circles. I usually have boots of speed alacity and talisman, then run around at like 480 ms, if you get caught out of position USUALLY someone has almost died and flashed away, point yourself toward them and boom your moving at like RAMMUS speeds. Shes a WEIRD champion now, but shes awesome.
Thryale (NA)
: @Meddler: Goals for veigar post patch 5.6
Riot doesnt seem to want to make veigar a single damage mage, one of the only 2 single target spells he had, is now a 2fer. Making 3 of his abilities multitarget. So lets just get crazy with the ***cage.*** ~~Lets make the cage extend the range of his Q by whatever distance it traveled through the cage. (lay it down, oh they flashed out? Hit them in the spine with your skillshot with that bonus range you now have. ) or lay it down from range, and smash your Q into the dude you snared on the far wall.~~ (whatever this would be nice but I WANT the idea below). And how about if he lands his W inside the cage it damages everyone inside, increasing with damage based on the number of people snared in the walls/ inside. Outside, or no cage, it acts the same as it always does. Hell you want to make it REALLY wild? (and my favorite idea) Increase the damage done to enemies if veigar is INSIDE with them (he likes to torment them up close of course) . I want to live in a world where veigars will flash into their OWN cages NEXT to enemy melee, to blow everything up and kill them all while being cut down laughing. JUST DO SOMETHING INTERESTING.
: [Not a Riot-bashing post] Why was Veigar changed at this point in this way?
I dont see how you think the Q "buff" was a buff.... so it hits 2 champions... GOOD NEWS now its a "multi target spell" enjoy less slow on rylais, less spellvamp, and that is totally worth nerf of them stapling another second onto the cd for no reason. At least make it interesting... make it do what MF's Q does, and increase damage on the 2nd target.. And the E change? Dumbest thing ive seen in a LONG time. I NEVER thought id be in a game playing veigar, watching soraka stun someone and think.. "wow I wish my stun was as good as that...". Another champ shelved.
: Rest in Peace Veigar.
What bothers me most is that now his stun is just a MUCH WORSE version of sorakas.... you dont even get silence.... Hell I would PREFER hers over this current garbage.
Auryiel (NA)
: I was of the opinion that these changes were pretty nasty nerfs, but I wanted to try them for myself. I did. Those changes are disgusting. Just completely rework his W please
If you want to see disgusting go mid vs a nid.. Before you might hold your own, now? Theres no point in even playing. You will have NO CHANCE vs leblanc, fizz, morg, nid, xerath, vel... Waste of a "decent" champion.
Rioter Comments
: Patch 4.10 notes
Wow. I cant wait to get ardent cleanser then ult as soraka...

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