: yeah they're not supposed to be ultimate skins either they're just rare 975/1350
> [{quoted}](name=BlueVestGuy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qra3ni51,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-29T04:08:53.467+0000) > > yeah they're not supposed to be ultimate skins either > they're just rare 975/1350 Agreed but they should absolutely be on par with legendary skins purely for the amount of money any summoner invested to get 10 gems.
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Washëd (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gLZGjRPr,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T19:06:32.960+0000) > > Voldymort, you act as if you know everything riot involved. There are valid arguments in my above responses that you attempt to easily dismiss with your know it all attitude. No research needed to be done as I experienced it first hand and have spoke to other summoners about this issue. I too am only human and i never stated i didn't deserve my chat restriction. I still think there is a lack of communication with summoners in game. Players should not be stripped of their honor from 5 to 1 without even knowing they were reported. If anyone is acting like they are on a high horse it is you. You feel there is no room for improvement and that a system that implements punishment without any prior warning (chat restriction, honor stripping and ranked reward stripping) all for a summoners first offense is fair. > > Snarkyness is fun but could be construed as borderline toxic but clearly you've never been toxic and feel there is 0 room for improvement in Riot's current system. > > You are clearly a closed minded person that lives to serve Riot and sees no room for improvement. Have fun on the rift friend, I won't be responding to anymore of your contentious responses. Totally agree with you Sleg, I got trolled by a guy who I believed already lost rewards and he super flamed me all game I spouted some non flaming nonsense like "Bro go eat your hangry" which support.riot told me is toxic because I wasn't referencing anything game related. I ate my punishment even though it was one game and literally had no punishments ALL SEASON but those end of year trolls who already lost rewards they will intentionally flame people and try n get them heated. I don't care who you are if you are having a bad game get on to relax and you get confronted with a hail of hate from multiple team mates because you know how toxic players love to quad and duo que. I mean holy crap voldymart is hijacking this thread being rude as heck, his attitude would and should get him banned in game so why is it allowed on the forms?
> [{quoted}](name=TryHarder Alan,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gLZGjRPr,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T21:42:02.860+0000) > > Totally agree with you Sleg, I got trolled by a guy who I believed already lost rewards and he super flamed me all game I spouted some non flaming nonsense like "Bro go eat your hangry" which support.riot told me is toxic because I wasn't referencing anything game related. I ate my punishment even though it was one game and literally had no punishments ALL SEASON but those end of year trolls who already lost rewards they will intentionally flame people and try n get them heated. I don't care who you are if you are having a bad game get on to relax and you get confronted with a hail of hate from multiple team mates because you know how toxic players love to quad and duo que. > > I mean holy crap voldymart is hijacking this thread being rude as heck, his attitude would and should get him banned in game so why is it allowed on the forms? Thanks for the support fellow summoner! All I am trying to say is there should be some in game system that gives the player base at least a warning that they are in jeopardy of losing any and all ranked rewards and a chat restriction before it happens. Especially, for first time offenders.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: > If you consider fine print or a summoners code on your website to be the warning, which I would say about 90% of your player base has never actually took the time to read And whose fault is that? Riot's or yours? >then again you will never solve the issue of toxicity. This is the "the police are useless because crime will always be a thing" argument Lame >Riot has no system in place to reform player behavior that actually provides them with information in regards to what exactly they were banned for or chat restricted for. Again. Tickets exist for people who need information. Did you bother making one instead of whining that riot doesn't automatically cater to your lazyness? >A player with hundreds of dollars and hours invested into their account will reform if given proper warnings and information without having to chat restrict or perma ban if there was an actual system in place. If you don't like the current system, you are free to leave at any time. It's not riot's job to teach you what your parents passed on: how to be a decent human being to other people. >Players should be able to see when and if they are getting reported this way they know what they have done wrong. In other words what you're saying is that you lack the introspective tools required to tell when you messed up so unless someone tells you outright you'll never figure out on your own. "I manage behaviours as a professional job" and yet you lack the above ability *shudders* > Well then right here is where the system fails. If Riot is allowing people to work their way up to honor 5 that they think have been toxic along the way then the system in place isn't working. You mean like it allowed you to get back to honor 2, despite your previous toxic behaviour? You dont see the contradiction, do you? >The very word honor means that these players at honor 5 should only be there because they have been honoring other summoners and modeling exemplary behavior. True. However that doesnt mean they will never ever be toxic. Everyone can be toxic because everyone is only human. Wether we actually will be depends on our ability to keep our egos in check when dealing with others. By the looks of it, you still need to work on that. > Also, chat bans with 0 record of what you actually said or were ban for is not a learning process. When i got my chat restriction I received 0 notification of what I had done in game or through a ticket. There is a lack of communication when dictating punishments. At least let players see a chat log or tell them what they did when handing out punishment. Excuse me if I dont believe you just because you said so. When you get chat restricted you get email notification, a popup on the client and can also request the details via ticket. > Also, my job is fulfilling and I'm not sure why your attitude is so entitled. Telling you things you dont like to be aware of is not a matter of entitlement on my part, but on yours. >Are you a Riot employee? No. Im just a fellow summoner trying to teach you how the rules work. If you feel like climbing down from your ivory tower of "I did nothing wrong and riot is the only one at fault", perhaps we could make progress on that. But based on our exchange so far, im not going to hold my breath. >If so why can you not explain things without having a snarky attitude? Snarkyness is fun. >All summoners have a bad day and by no means do I expect everyone in game to dance to my tune as you said. I am not trying to dictate to Riot how they hand out punishment but the current system lacks communication with the player base and provides 0 warning before a punishment is implemented (fine print or a summoners code on the website is not in game communication regarding a warning system). Oh I see. You want to be hand held like a toddler who doesnt know any better... > Side note speaking with customers of the game like this when the conversation didn't start off nasty in any way shows a true lack of maturity. If you want mature responses, I suggest providing non entitled arguments that don't come from predefined beliefs lacking any sort of actual research on the topic you're talking about.
Voldymort, you act as if you know everything riot involved. There are valid arguments in my above responses that you attempt to easily dismiss with your know it all attitude. No research needed to be done as I experienced it first hand and have spoke to other summoners about this issue. I too am only human and i never stated i didn't deserve my chat restriction. I still think there is a lack of communication with summoners in game. Players should not be stripped of their honor from 5 to 1 without even knowing they were reported. If anyone is acting like they are on a high horse it is you. You feel there is no room for improvement and that a system that implements punishment without any prior warning (chat restriction, honor stripping and ranked reward stripping) all for a summoners first offense is fair. Snarkyness is fun but could be construed as borderline toxic but clearly you've never been toxic and feel there is 0 room for improvement in Riot's current system. You are clearly a closed minded person that lives to serve Riot and sees no room for improvement. Have fun on the rift friend, I won't be responding to anymore of your contentious responses.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: > So in your eyes, you think players should consider a chat restriction with 0 warning that takes away end of season rewards for players who have otherwise been non-toxic but may have had a couple bad days fair? You can only make the "0 warning" argument if you haven't at any point bothered to read the summoner's code and the terms of use, even tho you agreed to have already done that when you downloaded the game. The rules are right there in black and white. If you didn't read them, that is on you. >A warning that drops players from honor 5 to honor 1 without any information is not a warning that's punishment hands down. It will be a cold day in iron 4 when the punished will get to pick and choose what the punishment is like for them in particular. >If you want to reform players insta permabans or punishment without information is the wrong way to do it. See above >Of course for intolerable language such as racism I would agree on insta bans but otherwise if you want the community to be more positive people need feedback regarding what they were punished for or that if it continues they will be punished. I suggest you read the notification you got because it contains that information. The chat restriction is a warning. I suggest you heed it! >There is no system in place letting people know if they have even recently been reported before they get punished, which is poor behavior management of the player base. Reports that are not valid do nothing for you. Reports that determine you broke the rules as per the T&C that you agreed to, do. >I can guarantee you if players knew they had recently been reported and where being monitored or would risk being ban, toxic behaviors would decrease. Tell that to all the players who continued to be toxic after the chat restrictions and 2week bans. There are posts below yours with examples. Feast your eyes on how much your guarantee is actually worth! > Also, people that made it back to honor 2 before February 11th met the requirements that Riot posted, if they only received a chat restriction. Riot said players who got back to honor 2 would receive their ranked rewards Which was a spur of the moment decision on riot's part. If previous seasons are any guide, you shouldn't have gotten anything. >I got 1 chat restriction since playing this game since season 4 and they strip 4 honor levels and part of our end of season rewards, which is poor player management. You keep saying that as if its not you who broke the rules and its strictly riot's fault. >I manage behaviors as a professional job, By using toxic behaviour on people who don't dance to your tune like it happened when you got punished? Must be a very fulfilling job for you! >Riot won't cure toxic behavior by overly harsh punishments. Its not their job to cure toxicity. They have a set of rules. If you cant be bothered to obey them, they don't want you in their game. Simple. >There needs to be a learning process where players have a system that is telling them as they go if they are out of line. There is. And you got to experience it first hand. The permaban is the last resort. >As it stands now, you just log on to a ban or chat restriction with 0 interactions with any Riot employees. Most times players are left wondering what exactly they even said or did. When I got chat restricted I had no clue what I said or did. I didn't even have any recollection of being toxic to anyone in game that I thought was punishable. Did you bother to open a ticket or post on the boards and ask? > The last season was 10 months long people are bound to get frustrated from time to time, stripping 4 honor levels that took about 8 months to earn is overly harsh. Clearly if the player has made it to honor 5 they are demonstrating positive behavior much more often than not. Wrong Honor has nothing to do with the lack of toxicity. We get posts with slurs in them from honor 5 players all the time.
If you consider fine print or a summoners code on your website to be the warning, which I would say about 90% of your player base has never actually took the time to read then again you will never solve the issue of toxicity. Riot has no system in place to reform player behavior that actually provides them with information in regards to what exactly they were banned for or chat restricted for. A player with hundreds of dollars and hours invested into their account will reform if given proper warnings and information without having to chat restrict or perma ban if there was an actual system in place. Players should be able to see when and if they are getting reported this way they know what they have done wrong. "Honor has nothing to do with the lack of toxicity." Well then right here is where the system fails. If Riot is allowing people to work their way up to honor 5 that they think have been toxic along the way then the system in place isn't working. The very word honor means that these players at honor 5 should only be there because they have been honoring other summoners and modeling exemplary behavior. Also, chat bans with 0 record of what you actually said or were ban for is not a learning process. When i got my chat restriction I received 0 notification of what I had done in game or through a ticket. There is a lack of communication when dictating punishments. At least let players see a chat log or tell them what they did when handing out punishment. Also, my job is fulfilling and I'm not sure why your attitude is so entitled. Are you a Riot employee? If so why can you not explain things without having a snarky attitude? All summoners have a bad day and by no means do I expect everyone in game to dance to my tune as you said. I am not trying to dictate to Riot how they hand out punishment but the current system lacks communication with the player base and provides 0 warning before a punishment is implemented (fine print or a summoners code on the website is not in game communication regarding a warning system). Side note speaking with customers of the game like this when the conversation didn't start off nasty in any way shows a true lack of maturity.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: 1. the punishments that are not permabans **are the warnings** 2. the requirements for season rewards were revealed at the begining of the season 3. why are you complaining that you only get part of the rewards? in all fairness you shouldn't have gotten anything. consider yourself lucky you even got the skin and stop complaining!
So in your eyes, you think players should consider a chat restriction with 0 warning that takes away end of season rewards for players who have otherwise been non-toxic but may have had a couple bad days fair? A warning that drops players from honor 5 to honor 1 without any information is not a warning that's punishment hands down. If you want to reform players insta permabans or punishment without information is the wrong way to do it. Of course for intolerable language such as racism I would agree on insta bans but otherwise if you want the community to be more positive people need feedback regarding what they were punished for or that if it continues they will be punished. There is no system in place letting people know if they have even recently been reported before they get punished, which is poor behavior management of the player base. I can guarantee you if players knew they had recently been reported and where being monitored or would risk being ban, toxic behaviors would decrease. Also, people that made it back to honor 2 before February 11th met the requirements that Riot posted, if they only received a chat restriction. Riot said players who got back to honor 2 would receive their ranked rewards and we did not receive our banners for our profile pages. I got 1 chat restriction since playing this game since season 4 and they strip 4 honor levels and part of our end of season rewards, which is poor player management. I manage behaviors as a professional job, Riot won't cure toxic behavior by overly harsh punishments. There needs to be a learning process where players have a system that is telling them as they go if they are out of line. As it stands now, you just log on to a ban or chat restriction with 0 interactions with any Riot employees. Most times players are left wondering what exactly they even said or did. When I got chat restricted I had no clue what I said or did. I didn't even have any recollection of being toxic to anyone in game that I thought was punishable. The last season was 10 months long people are bound to get frustrated from time to time, stripping 4 honor levels that took about 8 months to earn is overly harsh. Clearly if the player has made it to honor 5 they are demonstrating positive behavior much more often than not.
Rioter Comments
: Sounds like there is a bug due to not reaching honor 2 until Feb 11, so you wouldn't have gotten in during the primary round of reward distribution. My guess is that the ranked banner didn't update properly for the "second chance" rewards. You will need to send in a [Support Ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new), so Riot Support can manually apply it to your account.
So i submitted a ticket stating my issue above of not having my plat profile banner showing and the ticket instantly popped back up saying the agent had resolved the issue and the ticket was checked off as solved however i still have no plat banner on my profile from last season. Currently, I have no ranked banner displaying on my profile.
Rioter Comments
: Yup. If you ended the season proper (November 12th) at Platinum Rank, regaining Honor Level 2 and holding it 'til the February cut-off date will make you eligible for all that entails - skin, border/banner trim, icon, etc.
Thank you kindly :)
: If you were Chat Restricted, then yes, the extended deadline applies. You have to reach and maintain Honor Level 2 to be eligible for end-of-season rewards, provided you ended the season at the appropriate rank.
Thanks for all the replies and information, i was only chat restricted for 8 games and had my honor stripped from 5 to 0. So i assume based off what everyone is posting if I keep my honor level 2 till February i will get my ranked rewards for being plat?
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: > [{quoted}](name=MadViking,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5RqNkEh,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-13T19:35:02.194+0000) > > But Ohmwrecker still exists? There is legit no reason to ever buy the item other than for shits and giggles. > > Don't git it. because they made two changes and they both failed so they real issted of taken time to work on it they will just remove it
Not to mention this item was being completely abused as you would see everyone on a team with a banner, then they get baron and there is 0 counterplay for opposing team to stop their base from getting steamrolled. Pushing lanes and creating lane pressure should come from champions and better map rotations not from people clicking on a minion.
: Wow, so a late game class, aka crit marksmen, are not doing good early, who would have thought it. With that, who would have thought that the early game/ champs that were not effected by this became top dog in an early game meta. This is truly a shocking thing.
This is beyond an early game meta, game times are lower then they have ever been 23 to 24 minute average from challenger to gold (and lets be honest the games may be ending at 24 minutes but they are over by 14 as you watch your base get steamrolled or you steamroll the enemy base). Aka games are either shit stomps for you or against you, not fun either way. There are almost never close games anymore and 1 mistake can cost you 2 turrets easy sub 15 minutes. Current meta only allows for champs that spike at 1 to 2 items. The state of the game right now is cancerous, you can already see how far the popularity has fallen on twitch purely due to this patch. Changes need to be made or there will be a mass exodus of players from league nuf said.
: This game is on fire
Lol so true, this last patch had way too many changes that clearly were no anticipated or thought about. The state of the game is unplayable to me and I've been playing for years. Lol games are decided sub 10 minutes and over just over 20. Turret fall like paper and 75% of champions (mid to late game champs) are utterly useless because of such fast game times. Losing teams have almost no chance of comebacks due to how hard winning teams snowball. Couple ideas to help get the game back in working order. Revert patch 8.11 scrap it Lower first turret gold buff turrets pre 10 minutes Get rid of herald ability to 1 shot turrets and further snowballs (make it worth 300g or something) or honestly remove the thing all together. It allows for way too much snowball potential for winning teams, let the winning team win through better map rotations. I never liked the herald idea tbh. Just a couple ideas but currently the way the game is now like you said it's completely a blaze.
Diaz84 (EUW)
: i guess most ppl are hoping for riot to notice that they shitted on the game with this patch
Legit worst patch I've ever seen and ive been playing since season 4. Games are all but decided within the first 10 minutes and the winning team spends the next 12 to 15 minutes taking your base with no chance for the losing team to stop the snowball.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Honestly, I only enjoy shorter games whenever I just play to climb. Less time in a game = less opportunities to make mistakes and throw games. If I play for fun, especially on smurfs, I enjoy the longer games.
This game was never tailored around 20 minute games, riot literally has a variety of champs many of which are mid to late game scaling champs that are now utterly useless. If they want 20 minute games they may as well delete 75% of the champions in the game nuf said.
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Rioter Comments
: How to be pro player in 8.11
Item needs to be removed from the game.
: Idk about getting rid of them... Yoricks ult is basically a better zz'rot. Splitting lane pressure is a strategy, you cant just take it out of the game. Its been there for a WHILLLLLLE now.
Yorick is a champion so I'm fine with him splitting with his ultie. When teams are cheesing for first brick gold by building 2 or 3 banners first item there is clearly a problem. The game should be about champions out playing each other and managing the waves not who can rush more banners.
Shallow (NA)
: Banner of Command Needs a hotfix ASAP
Riot needs to just remove the item and let map pressure come from champions and smart gameplay
Keshaun (NA)
: So Banner is getting hot fixed .. right?
Completely agree they need to remove the item from the game.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rRfgJPcO,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-18T13:25:12.210+0000) > > Lol it's the B2 player handing out advice again. Holy you've been bronze for 3 seasons dont attempt to hand out any advice when you have 0 game knowledge. You've been bronze for 3 seasons, go troll somewhere else. First off, Ranked doesnt equal SKILL. I play years this game and i believe i play fairly good with certain champs. Second thing, never assume anything about players or people online. Thats the most stupidest thing, Third, the reason i am in ``bronze`` tier in ranked is because i dont like ranked and i dont play it very often ever since season 3 (for personal reasons not that it matters here) but you sounds very ignorant with your comments. and fourth, even if I ``sucked`` with Rammus per se, does that means i am not allowed to have an opinion on him? So i suggest you swallow your arrogance and start using your brain.
LOL, where do I even start with this response. Normally I wouldn't even make a grammar response but yours is horrid. First off, ranked does generally have a correlation with skill. Also, the fact that you have been bronze for 3 seasons lends to the fact that you have little game knowledge and make poor choices in game often. Which means your opinion that you are definitely entitled means little when people are trying to discuss why his W is awful and kills his kit. Second off..."never assume anything about players online. Thats the most stupidest thing" The second sentence tells me everything I need to know about you lol. Do you not read things after you've typed them? Most stupidest lol next time try just "stupidest" or "most stupid". Third, you are giving out advice when you clearly have little skill in the game. You can't play this game for 3 seasons and remain bronze and be good. You act like you know what you're talking about regarding fair trades with Rammus and the current state of his W. There is no trading with Rammus while his W is active and taunt is on CD, there is no reason for the enemy to attack you at that point and they can easily walk away from you. This forces you to deactivate your W, meaning that the only true up time for your W is when you taunt the target. Even if you combo it with your ultie any champ with a dash can easily get away before you can stack your ultie which is garbage till at least rank 2. Also, the W slow is so crippling that you cant do anything in a team fight if used, not that I would expect a bronze player to be able to orb walk or dodge skill shots. Lastly, use your brain and learn to express yourself in a way that doesn't make you look like a potato.
: Fun Fact : You can press W again to end it early.
Fun fact: scroll up and actually read people's comments, this was discussed. #failtroll
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: I'm just saying that was the idea behind it. (I remember reading a Riot context post). I do agree, the slow should be lowered. For now he just has to continue to be what he always has been, a niche pick.
He;s not a niche pick anymore he cant even counter ADCs as they walk away from him now easily.
: > [{quoted}](name=TorrentialTyrant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rRfgJPcO,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-18T03:36:05.557+0000) > > I am VERY aware that he's moved out of the top lane, however, that doesn't mean everyone's happy about it. I think it's important that most champs have at least two places they can be played, but with this update, it's in the jungle or nowhere. > > Even disregarding that, he's hardly strong. His early game is even worse than what it was previously, and his stickiness has taken a severe dive. True, his late game is arguably stronger, but since it's generally the job of junglers to get the ball rolling early for their team, the benefit of the strong late game isn't as useful. He has actually more control over W now than before, he has a healthy trade for W now against champs with no escaping skills mostly mages and few adcs, yes maybe his slow on W took away his insane trades but if look closely he can put more damage as the game progresses more effectively. Namingly on his passive and E, they are actually stronger than before. And this is the point that Riot tried to make, which is to shift his power from his W a bit to his passive and E instead for fairer trades over the game phases. If you tried him jungle you would understand that. Hes still very strong damage wise for a tank. And as a Rammus main myself i loved the changes although i would even change his Q to be like a bowling ball knocking everyone on their paths lol xD.
Lol it's the B2 player handing out advice again. Holy you've been bronze for 3 seasons dont attempt to hand out any advice when you have 0 game knowledge. You've been bronze for 3 seasons, go troll somewhere else.
ThePikol (EUNE)
: {{item:3009}}
I tried buying swiftness boots early on rammus the slow is still too crippling. Basically W max is no longer viable, and you are forced into Q or E max. I've been seeing Q max from some of the streamers. Lol i watched Iwilldominate try to play rammus yesterday and he said he dropped from D1 to D3 in one day trying to make rammus jungle work. He was Q and E maxing and said it felt awful.
chabotj1 (NA)
: Rammus.. yeah self cast 60% slow
Chabbotj1 I couldn't agree with you more, the champion identity got massacred with this rework lol. Like i cant think of a single scenario that W is useful unless your target is taunted. To get anything done you're forced into deactivating W in a team fight which is so punishing seeing as this was the ability that rammus depended on to be tanky. Lol lets give rammus an ability that he cant use in any setting outside of a target being hard CCed. I played this champ a lot in mid plat elo but i refuse to play the new rammus as he's useless due to the 60% slow. I cant stand using an ability that doesn't allow me to dodge skill shots, orb walk or position properly in a team fight.
: The slow on W is really killing it for me. I mean, sure have it in there, just not 60%. If your laner doesn't pack the damage to kill your target, you sure as hell aren't compensating in any consistent way.
I agree the slow is overwhelming, the second you use it you cant do anything unless your target is taunted. I mean a 60% slow for an ability that lasts 6 seconds....what are you supposed to do in that 6 seconds basically you do nothing. While your W is active you cant maneuver in team fights and you have 0 chance of dodging skill shots. Basically you are forced into deactivating the ability that gives you most of your tankiness which seems so counter intuitive the the champions identify...a tank.
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEVQo6ZA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-18T01:02:34.689+0000) > > At this point I cant even think of a scenario where using your W is worth it beyond the duration that your target is taunted which is ridiculous. The second your taunt is down if you leave your W up you cant catch them and if you're low health you cant retreat. I just don't understand the rework, I would imagine they were attempting to make him see more game play but with the change to W there is 0 chance he'll see anymore game play then pre-rework. Then you maybe just "deactivate" you know... that same W button?
Lol when the B2 player who's been bronze for 3 seasons is giving game advice. Maybe just "deactivate"......maybe if you could read I was trying to describe why the current state of his W makes it not worth using in the vast majority of scenarios. A champion shouldnt have an ability that has almost no up time when activated. Even at rank 4 taunt (2 seconds) you can only make use of your W dmg for 2 seconds of the 6 after that you are not keeping up with your target with a 60% slow even with your ultie rolling. Until you are at lvl 3 taunt W's up time (being able to AA enemy while W is active which makes his AA hit harder due to his passive +10% armor on AAs) at less than 30%. Thanks for advice though bronzie...lol keep at it one day you may even make it to silver.
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEVQo6ZA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-18T01:02:34.689+0000) > > At this point I cant even think of a scenario where using your W is worth it beyond the duration that your target is taunted which is ridiculous. The second your taunt is down if you leave your W up you cant catch them and if you're low health you cant retreat. I just don't understand the rework, I would imagine they were attempting to make him see more game play but with the change to W there is 0 chance he'll see anymore game play then pre-rework. Then you maybe just "deactivate" you know... that same W button?
You're missing my point....which was trying to figure out a scenarios where the W is worth using. Yes you could deactivate W to try to run at low HP but pre-rework you could use it to escape at low hp, this is no longer possible. Not to mention the only time you can truly utilize your W is while your taunt is up, which is laughable. Even if you leave W up (to mitigate enemy dmg in a 1v1) the enemy can walk just out of AA range till it drops and then kill you. I dont mind the rest of his kit but the W slow is unbearable.
Skorch (NA)
: I really REALLY dislike what happened to Rammus.
I coulnt agree with you more, can anyone honestly think of a scenario in which his W is worth using after the taunt duration is down? The slow on his W is so immense that you cant stick to any target even with the slow from his ultie and you cant use it to retreat at low health as the enemy runs you down since you are so damn slow with W up.
: Personally the slow is disgusting and there is no way to adapt to it . It just straight gut Rammus.
I agree, the slow on the W is beyond crippling. Even with a Q or E max the W is a waste of an ability. I honestly cant think of a scenario in which using your W is worth it beyond the short duration that your target is taunted. The second taunt comes down if you leave your W up you cant catch anyone and you cant use it to retreat at low health because you're so slow when using it. Lol at this point the only use W serves is for the extra stats to tank a baron/dragon or turret. They might as well just remove the W ability for rammus....sad
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEVQo6ZA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-18T00:23:25.113+0000) > > They need to just completely remove the slow on his W. A 60% slow on his W is a joke. The W is where most of his dmg used to come from, now you're forced into maxing E or Q cause W is tragically awful with the slow on it. Ive found E max to be very useful in lane... rammus makes for a decent support now, too.
At this point I cant even think of a scenario where using your W is worth it beyond the duration that your target is taunted which is ridiculous. The second your taunt is down if you leave your W up you cant catch them and if you're low health you cant retreat. I just don't understand the rework, I would imagine they were attempting to make him see more game play but with the change to W there is 0 chance he'll see anymore game play then pre-rework.
: So.... Can we change something else on rammus?
They need to just completely remove the slow on his W. A 60% slow on his W is a joke. The W is where most of his dmg used to come from, now you're forced into maxing E or Q cause W is tragically awful with the slow on it.
: @Meddler Rammus Changes 7.10, I demand a RIOT Employee to REPLY.....
I couldnt agree with you more sirgrey, I had been playing rammus a lot over the last year and really enjoyed this champion but the changes to his W are unbearable. I tried one game with him today and it felt awful. Like you said using your W in a team fight basically cements you to the ground, I found myself forced to attempt to deactivate my W every time id start a team fight just to have some level of mobility. I even tried buying swiftness boots to counteract some of the slow from the W is still felt terrible. I could deal with the rest of the changes but what they did to his W is ridiculous. Using his W feels awful.....hit W and watch the opposing team all walk away from you with 0 chance of being caught.
: Honestly the slow is disgusting. Rammus top was my main for a while and it's just undoable any longer. Rest is okay, i can adapt, but the slow killed it mostly..
I agree the rest of his kit is actually fine, I can deal with the changes to his E and the Q change is prolly better late game. However, that 60% on his W makes him unplayable in my opinion, In a team fight you cant maneuver at all and after your E taunt is down you stand 0 chance of sticking to a carry or trying to help peel unless you deactivate your W and at that point you're doing nothing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7JKfEVyU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-17T22:06:21.233+0000) > > ? or I have him mastery 7 on other accounts.... You literally just proved my point.
Lol i'll ignore your ignorance seeing as you're an unranked scrub who prolly lives in AI games...thanks for your advice clown.
: > [{quoted}](name=Carnage068,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XxNIwsrd,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-17T23:05:09.009+0000) > > ??? I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. Those champions aren't "in" any sort of state at all. They've been completely fucking removed from the game. If you want to be such an asshole, then fine, I hope Rammus gets removed, too. Or is that what you want? They've been reworked not removed, stop being a moron. They had old, out-dated kits that needed some major work to bring them back. They're still largely the same theme and gameplay (with Yorick and Sion being extreme outlayers in terms of reworks) and are in a MUCH better state for going through the rework. Their old bad kits are gone, and their new ones are actually good and retain a lot from what they had before. It's sad to see them go, but even sadder to watch them sit there in a useless state with no reason to play them.
Lol this kids an idiot all the champions that he listed have had reworks that actually got those champs to be played in the LCS and become meta at some point. The rammus changes are complete trash minus the new Q. The changes to E and specifically the W are garbage. What they did to his W is a complete joke. A 60% slow on hiw main defensive/offensive ability..great job riot. Let me hit W on rammus so I cement myself to the ground and cant stick to any carry. The slow they put on his R is next to useless considering if your W is active even with your ultie slow you cant keep up with the enemy.
: Are you serious? This fucking saved Rammus. There's a good chance that they won't remove him now. I think they just need to do a bit of followup work on him, and he can be okay.
I agree these changes are legit awful. 60% slow on his W, that's laughable...might as well play that champ with Q,E,R cause the W is worthless. Basically cements you to the ground, he cant stay ontop of any carry with a 60% slow. They took a champ that I used to enjoy jungling with and totally gutted him. Probably the worst rework I've seen in the last 3 seasons.
: They didn't. The AS on Taunt is to help his jungle clear.
His W was his main jungle clear ability anyway and the new W is total garbage with the 60% slow attached to it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Siegfriedx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7JKfEVyU,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-17T22:00:36.208+0000) > > I played him one time and failed lol
? or I have him mastery 7 on other accounts.....but thanks for playing bud.
: why turn rammus into a onhit champion?
I couldnt agree more, they took a champ that hardly gets played as it is and made him worse...wtf? Using his W in a team fight is a death sentence lol 60% on his main defense/offensive ability rip. I used to like jungling with Rammus on occassion but there is no way I will play him with that 60% on his W it felt awful in game. GG riot
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