: You must be one of those guys who go 0/10 and call it a bad day but actually their whole game history has a negative score , and then you report people if they call you ''BAD'' words.
> [{quoted}](name=Nerf Irelìa,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T13:39:33.605+0000) > > You must be one of those guys who go 0/10 and call it a bad day but actually their whole game history has a negative score , and then you report people if they call you ''BAD'' words. Me?
Risen29 (NA)
: This new ban system makes no sense. If you banned people for commiting the same offense four times in a row, in a short time, that would be one thing. But you cant punish them for toxic chat, then months later after they have long since reformed thier chat, give another level of punishment for an afk game. Its too severe. It doesnt give a chance for genuine reform. It doesnt recognize all the improvement they've made but just hammers them down for one mistake out of 300 games over 3 months. Its like a death cycle you get stuck on. If you havent gotten punished before then the system wont even flag your games. But if you have then all it takes is one mistake to bring another punishment, and the time frame involved is impossibly long. So it seems like you cant win. Everyone has bad games, but only those who have been punished before will continue to be punished for those bad games. They dont get the same grace and forgiveness that everyone else does even if 99% of thier games are fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Risen29,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-04-04T07:37:43.406+0000) > > This new ban system makes no sense. > > If you banned people for commiting the same offense four times in a row, in a short time, that would be one thing. But you cant punish them for toxic chat, then months later after they have long since reformed thier chat, give another level of punishment for an afk game. > > Its too severe. It doesnt give a chance for genuine reform. It doesnt recognize all the improvement they've made but just hammers them down for one mistake out of 300 games over 3 months. > > Its like a death cycle you get stuck on. If you havent gotten punished before then the system wont even flag your games. But if you have then all it takes is one mistake to bring another punishment, and the time frame involved is impossibly long. So it seems like you cant win. Everyone has bad games, but only those who have been punished before will continue to be punished for those bad games. They dont get the same grace and forgiveness that everyone else does even if 99% of thier games are fine. True needs to be buffed
Dolyna (NA)
: The one problem I see is that some people will say kys or something that constitutes hate speech without thinking about it, and then get hit with a two week suspension. That doesn't teach them much about avoiding toxic language in general, and they can get hit with a permanent ban extremely easily just for being somewhat negative. I'd support a one month suspension following the two week suspension, and a permaban after that. That would give the clueless a little more time to get a clue.
> [{quoted}](name=Dolyna,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-04-02T01:44:09.196+0000) > > The one problem I see is that some people will say kys or something that constitutes hate speech without thinking about it, and then get hit with a two week suspension. That doesn't teach them much about avoiding toxic language in general, and they can get hit with a permanent ban extremely easily just for being somewhat negative. > > I'd support a one month suspension following the two week suspension, and a permaban after that. That would give the clueless a little more time to get a clue. Thats what I'm trying to say or at least change. I was given no option but straight permaban without no warning
: Usually it is a 10 game chat restrict for first punishment then 25 game chat restrict. Then 14 day ban Finally a perm.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-04-01T19:15:46.972+0000) > > Usually it is a 10 game chat restrict for first punishment then 25 game chat restrict. > Then 14 day ban > Finally a perm. I skipped levels without warnings
: Honestly 14 day suspension is just Bonkers! Then full suspension Wow! 1st of all it should be a 1 day ban to show you are being watched, watch what you are saying There are people that cannot control there anger but a 14 day suspension makes people quit league on how long it is and move to fortnite Anyways you get the gist
> [{quoted}](name=MauiTheDemiGod5,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-04-01T16:38:42.831+0000) > > Honestly 14 day suspension is just Bonkers! > Then full suspension Wow! > 1st of all it should be a 1 day ban to show you are being watched, watch what you are saying > There are people that cannot control there anger but a 14 day suspension makes people quit league on how long it is and move to fortnite > Anyways you get the gist Exactly also its very absurd how you can skip levels to get permabanned
: I call permabans straight up dogshit. Riot doesn't give a single flying fuck about garbage players who make you go insane, but when it comes to bad words they act like a bunch of five year old who have never heard a curse before in their life. I play with trolls and feeders every game and they never get banned because people say they just had a bad day, but guess what, when i tell them to fuckk off my lane so they dont give anotger free kill i get banned. I remember when they had the 2000 + games chat ban, i reached diamond 3 on euw. Just give people chat restrictions and dont perma ban their fu king accounts.
> [{quoted}](name=Nerf Irelìa,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-04-01T09:34:18.908+0000) > > I call permabans straight up dogshit. Riot doesn't give a single flying fuck about garbage players who make you go insane, but when it comes to bad words they act like a bunch of five year old who have never heard a curse before in their life. I play with trolls and feeders every game and they never get banned because people say they just had a bad day, but guess what, when i tell them to fuckk off my lane so they dont give anotger free kill i get banned. I remember when they had the 2000 + games chat ban, i reached diamond 3 on euw. Just give people chat restrictions and dont perma ban their fu king accounts. If you care about this post, please spread the word
SanKakU (NA)
: Yeah, I should be able to get more bans, too many OP champs. Kappa
> [{quoted}](name=SanKakU,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-01T14:09:24.260+0000) > > Yeah, I should be able to get more bans, too many OP champs. Kappa lol
Ada Wong (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-01T03:28:48.471+0000) > > Considering the permanent ban caused you to reform... I think you're the prime example of why **not** to remove the permanent ban. But there are other ways to try to reform players it took a long time, and Riot helped me realize "Arguing with idiots" in games just isn't worth getting banned, even if you are not one of those who uses a racial slur, or something for example. But perhaps there are other things Riot could offer to people who are serious about reform, or who have actually reformed such as a reform program, or rather a challenge for example. **If a person makes a new account and keeps it clean of punishments for a year while actively playing games without being toxic** A user can qualify to get their account unbanned but would require (X) number of games played first non bot games. If a player truly reforms I don't see why they should be permabanned for life, I mean it's up to Riot though, and those who are not seriously actually trying or not going to reform likely won't get there so it wouldn't matter. **So far I think Riot is doing a good job at keeping most the toxicity out of games** Only thing I usually run into are game-play trolls, and people who argue in chat, usually it's not so toxic but I mute them anyways when clearly they refuse to stop so if they say something really toxic I wouldn't know, but it's not as bad as DOTA 2, or Smite for sure.
> [{quoted}](name=Ada Wong,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-01T08:43:31.747+0000) > > But there are other ways to try to reform players it took a long time, and Riot helped me realize "Arguing with idiots" in games just isn't worth getting banned, even if you are not one of those who uses a racial slur, or something for example. > > But perhaps there are other things Riot could offer to people who are serious about reform, or who have actually reformed such as a reform program, or rather a challenge for example. > > **If a person makes a new account and keeps it clean of punishments for a year while actively playing games without being toxic** A user can qualify to get their account unbanned but would require (X) number of games played first non bot games. > > If a player truly reforms I don't see why they should be permabanned for life, I mean it's up to Riot though, and those who are not seriously actually trying or not going to reform likely won't get there so it wouldn't matter. > > **So far I think Riot is doing a good job at keeping most the toxicity out of games** Only thing I usually run into are game-play trolls, and people who argue in chat, usually it's not so toxic but I mute them anyways when clearly they refuse to stop so if they say something really toxic I wouldn't know, but it's not as bad as DOTA 2, or Smite for sure. Exactly
: Oh absolutely. But I gave up on that fight a while ago. Too many people here have smurfs and they like having their "right" to abuse the system. I got sick of getting bashed and ganged up on for speaking up against smurfing. But honestly as long as Riot can track and connect accounts, it won't matter how many alts people make, because Riot can just CTRL+C -> CTRL=V their MMR between accounts if they have to in order to ensure that matchmaking integrity gets preserved.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T06:53:18.413+0000) > > Oh absolutely. But I gave up on that fight a while ago. Too many people here have smurfs and they like having their "right" to abuse the system. I got sick of getting bashed and ganged up on for speaking up against smurfing. > > But honestly as long as Riot can track and connect accounts, it won't matter how many alts people make, because Riot can just CTRL+C -> CTRL=V their MMR between accounts if they have to in order to ensure that matchmaking integrity gets preserved. Agreed about the smurfs
: The system as it is will only ever be effective at what it already does. It deals with first time offenders, and teaches them better. Anybody who is immature or idiotic enough to persist in toxic behavior through multiple accounts and multiple permanent bans will not be stopped by another permanent ban. I want to see more periodic or temporary punishments, things that can be applied that won't make a player want to create a new account (due to the work required to level said new account). The account has to be available again before it would be worthwhile to have leveled a new account. So what I would like to see are more temporary bans. Riot should implement more levels in their punishment system, and they should create separate ladders for separate types of behavior (eg. someone who gets 14-day banned for a first offense using slurs should not then be permabanned one week later due to being passive aggressive - because making different behaviors cumulative like that can lead to situations where people who think only slurs are toxic are not given a chance to learn not to be passive aggressive). This would help a lot with keeping players from getting jaded after punishments, and it might prevent them from throwing tantrums as much. And Riot needs to get a handle on the smurf account situation. Not because of smurfs, but because of toxic players who use smurfs or new accounts to completely circumvent their bans. It should be simple enough to set up the league client with a UID so it can link any accounts used on that client to that UID. This could be used in conjunction with other data that Riot already has like heatmaps and player habits (champions, flash on d/f, roles, friends, etc.) to accurately identify accounts that belong to the same user.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-01T06:39:57.621+0000) > > The system as it is will only ever be effective at what it already does. It deals with first time offenders, and teaches them better. Anybody who is immature or idiotic enough to persist in toxic behavior through multiple accounts and multiple permanent bans will not be stopped by another permanent ban. > > I want to see more periodic or temporary punishments, things that can be applied that won't make a player want to create a new account (due to the work required to level said new account). The account has to be available again before it would be worthwhile to have leveled a new account. > > So what I would like to see are more temporary bans. Riot should implement more levels in their punishment system, and they should create separate ladders for separate types of behavior (eg. someone who gets 14-day banned for a first offense using slurs should not then be permabanned one week later due to being passive aggressive - because making different behaviors cumulative like that can lead to situations where people who think only slurs are toxic are not given a chance to learn not to be passive aggressive). This would help a lot with keeping players from getting jaded after punishments, and it might prevent them from throwing tantrums as much. > > And Riot needs to get a handle on the smurf account situation. Not because of smurfs, but because of toxic players who use smurfs or new accounts to completely circumvent their bans. It should be simple enough to set up the league client with a UID so it can link any accounts used on that client to that UID. This could be used in conjunction with other data that Riot already has like heatmaps and player habits (champions, flash on d/f, roles, friends, etc.) to accurately identify accounts that belong to the same user. True smurfs ruin games.
Kyaza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:37:42.797+0000) > > Contact them again. A permanent ban for one instance of hate speech is not standard procedure unless they have changed something. They should reduce it to a 14 day ban (or time served) and give you at least one chance. It never hurts to ask
> [{quoted}](name=Kyaza,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:47:15.629+0000) > > It never hurts to ask Also true, maybe I'll ask again in the future.
Chermorg (NA)
: Contact them again. A permanent ban for one instance of hate speech is not standard procedure unless they have changed something. They should reduce it to a 14 day ban (or time served) and give you at least one chance.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:37:42.797+0000) > > Contact them again. A permanent ban for one instance of hate speech is not standard procedure unless they have changed something. They should reduce it to a 14 day ban (or time served) and give you at least one chance. Thanks for understanding :) also I have recently and told me they won't be lifting the ban sadly.
Chermorg (NA)
: If you truly got banned for saying that word only one time, then it is not standard procedure and you should contact support again to press them for another chance. One instance of hate speech does not escalate an account from having no prior punishments to permanently banned.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:22:12.093+0000) > > If you truly got banned for saying that word only one time, then it is not standard procedure and you should contact support again to press them for another chance. > > One instance of hate speech does not escalate an account from having any prior punishments to permanently banned. It does... and I've already contacted the support team and told me they will no lift the ban for being homophobic. Due to the severity of the ban no lifting it for being homophobic, and told them I've never received any form of punishment before, and they just told me not lifted. It was probably a bot reply to sadly.
Chermorg (NA)
: You didn't get a permaban for saying one homophobic thing unless you had prior punishments. One instance of hate speech does not result in permanent ban. So I ask again - how many more chances would it have taken if you *didn't* have the severity of the permaban you got floating over you?
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:11:01.356+0000) > > You didn't get a permaban for saying one homophobic thing unless you had prior punishments. One instance of hate speech does not result in permanent ban. > > So I ask again - how many more chances would it have taken if you *didn't* have the severity of the permaban you got floating over you? I did get permabanned for hate speech and received no prior punishments or warnings. I'm serious they told me due to the severity of saying the f-word I will be banned and no lifted. It would've taken me one more chance to go, "Okay, I need to cut it out, and get my stuff together, because I really love this game and playing with my friends. I just wished I didn't go straight to a permaban, and received a slap on the wrist to notify I need to change my behavior for this game. It would've taken one more chance to change and show that I can be a responsible player/and honorable opponent?? I'm trying to think of another word instead of responsible, nontoxic player? to show I can reform and not be permabanned. Also, I've shown I've changed by reaching higher honor levels and not getting reported or being a toxic player on my new account.
Chermorg (NA)
: Why didn't you reform after the 14 day ban? How many more bans would it have taken?
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-01T04:04:06.875+0000) > > Why didn't you reform after the 14 day ban? How many more bans would it have taken? Due to my severity of toxicity, I only said one thing which was considered homophobic. I'm not homophobic being a bisexual... If I would've received the 14-day ban, trust me I would've stopped chatting in all chat/flaming to avoid being permabanned.
: The current punishment system seems to have changed your behavior. Not flaming people is a improvement for the other 3/8 players that would have had to deal with you as well as the original offender. --------------- The proposed stacking chat restrictions was TRIED already. When people were unable to annoy/retaliate with chat, they chose, in a massive preponderance, to annoy people with gameplay trolling. (which is both much more difficult to detect, and has a greater negative impact on a game) ------------------------ Tribunal, as a whole, was incredibly inefficient, inconsistent, and slow. Different people judged each case, with attitude, attention and vindictiveness as variables. The IFS judges each reported game, and each account the exact same every time. The Tribunal was months behind in caseload, which both punished reformed players for actions they had forgotten long ago and allowed dedicated trolls to ruin many games before the Tribunal caught up with them. The IFS, while not "instant", still processes every report within approximately 15 minutes even under a load spike. ----------------- According to Riot, the number of people who reform after each stage of punishment gradually reduces. If someone isn't going to reform after the 3rd punishment, they're not going to reform at all. The data on recidivism isn't easily tracked externally, but Riot seems convinced that their current scheme balances giving people enough chances to reform with limiting the amount of damage an account can do. ----------------- There was a level 20 challenge, where permabanned people could apply for an unban by leveling a fresh account to 20 without getting any punishments. The story I heard was that Riot went through every application by hand, chose only those most likely to reform, and even then it was only 5% successful. -------------------- I signed a contract with Riot to behave according to their standards while accessing their servers. Breach of contract would be something that I have already agreed to be punished for, if it occurs. So, yes, I would want the same penalty applied to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eu5e03hd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-01T03:43:38.404+0000) > > The current punishment system seems to have changed your behavior. Not flaming people is a improvement for the other 3/8 players that would have had to deal with you as well as the original offender. > --------------- > The proposed stacking chat restrictions was TRIED already. When people were unable to annoy/retaliate with chat, they chose, in a massive preponderance, to annoy people with gameplay trolling. (which is both much more difficult to detect, and has a greater negative impact on a game) > ------------------------ > Tribunal, as a whole, was incredibly inefficient, inconsistent, and slow. Different people judged each case, with attitude, attention and vindictiveness as variables. The IFS judges each reported game, and each account the exact same every time. The Tribunal was months behind in caseload, which both punished reformed players for actions they had forgotten long ago and allowed dedicated trolls to ruin many games before the Tribunal caught up with them. The IFS, while not "instant", still processes every report within approximately 15 minutes even under a load spike. > ----------------- > According to Riot, the number of people who reform after each stage of punishment gradually reduces. If someone isn't going to reform after the 3rd punishment, they're not going to reform at all. The data on recidivism isn't easily tracked externally, but Riot seems convinced that their current scheme balances giving people enough chances to reform with limiting the amount of damage an account can do. > ----------------- > There was a level 20 challenge, where permabanned people could apply for an unban by leveling a fresh account to 20 without getting any punishments. The story I heard was that Riot went through every application by hand, chose only those most likely to reform, and even then it was only 5% successful. > -------------------- > I signed a contract with Riot to behave according to their standards while accessing their servers. Breach of contract would be something that I have already agreed to be punished for, if it occurs. So, yes, I would want the same penalty applied to me. So it was still possible and successful.
Chermorg (NA)
: Considering the permanent ban caused you to reform... I think you're the prime example of why **not** to remove the permanent ban.
I would've reformed regardless of the ban, also if you could stop the passive aggressive vibe that would be appreciated.
Rioter Comments
: Hey there. :) I am sorry to disappoint, but I tend to only add people that I personally know, like an IRL friend. Even if I meet someone else through a friend, I generally don't add that person to my friends list, except for the very rare occasion that I happen to meet them in real life. Also, I rarely play League anymore these days, mainly due to other things taking up my time, and when I do have the time to play something, there are other games that I've been enjoying more, mainly single player games.
That's okay :D take care though
: I'm not trolling, so I'm sorry if you see it that way. My goal was to simply to explain to you how Riot's punishment system works and why you were punished. If I failed at this, then I do apologize. Also, I understand why you feel the "no name and shame" rule defends trolls, and while it does stop people from publicly calling out actual trolls here on the boards, that's not why it exists. The reason the rule exists is to protect innocent players from such trolls. To start, posting negative things about someone could lead to others starting a witch hunt against that player, which is not something Riot wants. Furthermore, we as players have no way of verifying any "evidence" posted here by other players. Because of this, trolls could easily falsify evidence, making it look like someone was being toxic when they really weren't, which would then lead to a witch hunt against a completely innocent player. Now, I'm not accusing you of doing this, but just pointing out why the "no name and shame" rule exists. Since it seems like you are done, this will be my last reply. I do wish you the best in your future endeavors, though.
Xidphel (NA)
: And one got banned 5 days ago. I'm replying to him right now.
Stop harassing this post
: I'm not trolling, so I'm sorry if you see it that way. My goal was to simply to explain to you how Riot's punishment system works and why you were punished. If I failed at this, then I do apologize. Also, I understand why you feel the "no name and shame" rule defends trolls, and while it does stop people from publicly calling out actual trolls here on the boards, that's not why it exists. The reason the rule exists is to protect innocent players from such trolls. To start, posting negative things about someone could lead to others starting a witch hunt against that player, which is not something Riot wants. Furthermore, we as players have no way of verifying any "evidence" posted here by other players. Because of this, trolls could easily falsify evidence, making it look like someone was being toxic when they really weren't, which would then lead to a witch hunt against a completely innocent player. Now, I'm not accusing you of doing this, but just pointing out why the "no name and shame" rule exists. Since it seems like you are done, this will be my last reply. I do wish you the best in your future endeavors, though.
Ty for understanding and tbh you are the most helpful and most understanding of this situation everyone else says "o you deserve it" or "you're faking it" or "you're probably the real troll". I guess you are a volunteer apparently which is sad (not you volunteering but being more helpful than support). I decided to make a new account however friends kept begging for me to play lol. If you want to play someday can I get your ign? You seem really cool and nice player to play with :D <3
: To emphasize that you have options. Just because you used language that got this account permabanned doesn't mean you're doomed to be permabanned on every other account you make, you can change the phrases you use and be fine.
Ye, ik, I have a new plan :D
: Riot only shows your chat because it's the only behavior you are responsible for. You can't control the behavior of any other player in the game, only your own, so the only thing that can get you punished is your own behavior. Now, it does not matter what the other players were doing/saying. Even if they are trolling or harassing others, their behavior does not give you the right to start harassing them back. When you do start to harass them, all you are doing is making an already bad situation even worse by adding your own toxic behavior to the mix. This doesn't mean that their behavior is acceptable, because it's not, but your behavior was also unacceptable.
You must get offended very easily and probably think torturing terrorists is also wrong with that fact you are defending trolls. I'm done with this board considering this case close- Sincerely Rito Games. Have fun trolling Zombiemaster :D
: If you read the Universal Rules that I linked in my previous post, you will see that there is no "naming and shaming." This includes accusing others of being toxic in chat, trolling, intentionally feeding, or any other behavior that would be considered negative and unacceptable. This is what you were doing in your post towards multiple other players. As for your other reply to me, encouraging self-harm is something that Riot takes very seriously. They do not tolerate that type of behavior, even if you were joking. It's best to just avoid that completely. Also, from my perspective, it's not that obvious that you were joking simply by seeing the misspelled "sum." Considering you were harassing and insulting the Master Yi throughout the game, I'm sure that it's quite easy for most people to interpret it as you being serious.
Are you serious? Lol He was harrasing me and my teammates xD He was butthurt he didn't get jungle and decided to troll way before I was "harassing" him. Riot only lets you see yourself bad and not show what other players said. That Talon was not being shammed I was talking about how he was getting flamed by his team who told him to stay in base cause he's garbage and useless. I was like wow whats wrong with them?
Jo0o (NA)
: What's your deal with slurs, dude? Surely you don't talk like that in real life.
You what I don't know you and do not care what you think about my slurs. I'm quite educated in real-life or scholarly if you will. I'm just like any normal person if you piss me off of course I'm going to get angry or tilted. I'm sure you've gotten mad at somebody in real life and people asked you "Whats your problem?". I just want my account back and having fun. I know now to be reformed and not use hate-speech. If my account does get unbanned I'm just going to do /mute all.
Verxint (NA)
: How do you read that chatlog and not wonder why you got banned? I honestly don't understand how people like you function.
If I was given the full chat log you would understand my frustration
: So as others have pointed out, your chat logs contain repeated use of homophobic slurs. This is not tolerated by Riot at all and will result in an escalated punishment, even if you haven't had any prior punishments. Something else that is completely unacceptable, regardless of the circumstance, is encouraging self-harm, like you did here: > SilentBigstevie: drink bleach SilentBigstevie: Yi drink sum bleach for us Now, I understand that other players were flaming and harassing you as well, but their actions do not in any way excuse your own. By responding with your own toxic behavior, all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire, making an already bad situation even worse. If others are harassing you in chat, it's best to mute them and report them after the match. If you lower yourself to their level, then you're making yourself vulnerable to punishment, especially if you do it across multiple games.
If you are a Riot employee I hope you change you mind eventually have a good day though.
Kei143 (NA)
: > if I do not get unbanned I'm quitting and leaving this community. ya, they don't want people like you in game. glad you caught the drift.
Probably get offended easily
Verxint (NA)
: How do you read that chatlog and not wonder why you got banned? I honestly don't understand how people like you function.
Okay? Then don't comment then lol
: So as others have pointed out, your chat logs contain repeated use of homophobic slurs. This is not tolerated by Riot at all and will result in an escalated punishment, even if you haven't had any prior punishments. Something else that is completely unacceptable, regardless of the circumstance, is encouraging self-harm, like you did here: > SilentBigstevie: drink bleach SilentBigstevie: Yi drink sum bleach for us Now, I understand that other players were flaming and harassing you as well, but their actions do not in any way excuse your own. By responding with your own toxic behavior, all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire, making an already bad situation even worse. If others are harassing you in chat, it's best to mute them and report them after the match. If you lower yourself to their level, then you're making yourself vulnerable to punishment, especially if you do it across multiple games.
Thank you for understanding, and I was joking about it.. if you could not tell by the way I spelt "sum". The "Master Yi" was inting and trolling because he got auto-filled...and followed me around taking my jungle camps and inting in my promos I believe or I was about to get demoted. I would never influence or actually try to get someone to "kys".
: > SilentBigstevie: stay in bronze %%%got > SilentBigstevie: Teemo you probably shower naked %%% ***(Note: Does this imply you shower clothed?)*** > SilentBigstevie: You probably a %%%got in high school smoking weed > SilentBigstevie: Let me eat your ass %%% > SilentBigstevie: report this %%% You shouldn't need a warning to know that would get you a permaban. > SilentBigstevie: this my smurf xD > > Sorry this article is long but if I do not get unbanned I'm quitting and leaving this community. Honestly, everyone's OK with that. If you change your ways you're more than welcome to stay. Besides, you could always play on your main.
Why are you commenting then?
: As per the [Universal Rules](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules), player reporting/shaming is not allowed. If you want to have a discussion about your punishment, that's perfectly fine, however negatively calling out other players by name is not allowed, so I've edited out the other summoners' names from your post. If you have any questions or concerns about this action, please visit us in the PB channel of the [Boards Moderation Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification).
Excuse me but who are you? And no I was not player shaming. If they are toxic it is not shaming that's like saying "Hitler did nothing wrong", Hitler was a horrible person. I want people to be aware of this toxic player.
Chermorg (NA)
: I think the misunderstanding here is as to why you were banned is that it doesn't matter what others do. There's a reason you only get your own chatlogs in a reform card. **Repeat it with me: Others don't matter, your actions do.** It doesn't matter if someone was admitting to intentionally feeding, obviously trolling, being toxic, threatening your family, *mute them*. If you stoop to the level of being toxic with them then you will get banned for your actions.
Still I think ban is unjust I do agree about the in-game behavior. However League is full of toxic players...
Xidphel (NA)
: >but if I do not get unbanned I'm quitting and leaving this community. Bye.
Exactly, you probably troll and get offended easily in a video game
Jo0o (NA)
: What's your deal with slurs, dude? Surely you don't talk like that in real life.
No, I was having fun lol
: Cursing won't get you a penalty. You were not penalized for cursing.
Hello Riot Tantram, I was also instantly permabanned without warning. I was not given any warnings prior about my behavior, I was reported by a toxic player. I was banned for "hate speech" I only said "%%%got" once other than that my account might have been hacked. I did not say anything wrong about homosexuals, and I'm a LGBT supporter...so it's kinda weird being banned for it... I'm sorry about my behavior and hope you lift the ban. You have to admit Riot that you have unbanned worse players than me not skill level worse, but people "ddsoing", death threats, inting, etc... I understand I'm not as famous as those people but its unfair treatment. Also "Riot Gunny" which is a bot I'm assuming is a bot... said they would lift my ban, but "was a typo" I would still appreciate an apology. If my ban is lifted I will not longer be toxic, and a reformed player of the community. Thank for reading this and understanding my situation.
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