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> [{quoted}](name=Erol The Nomad,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UgOv8pMg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-03T21:04:57.971+0000) > > They did respond. They stood by their choice, despite the backlash. I was talking about on the boards, are they even still active?
Rioter Comments
: It's for the best of the League community, also it's that player's fault. He/She takes full responsibility of the actions they cause.
> [{quoted}](name=thefourtysn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vOut2gTj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-20T06:21:40.773+0000) > > It's for the best of the League community, also it's that player's fault. He/She takes full responsibility of the actions they cause. So basically its "Gimme ur shekles and i ban u hehe xd" ?
: Why make a blanket unban?
> [{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vOut2gTj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-20T06:17:48.808+0000) > > Why make a blanket unban? So i can get my accounts back? Obvioulsy.
: What would be the purpose of unbanning players that they do not want in the game in any capacity?
> [{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vOut2gTj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-20T06:16:32.765+0000) > > What would be the purpose of unbanning players that they do not want in the game in any capacity? Because I spent money on the account and my information is still on there i feel insecure about it.
: Why isn't the full game chat of logs shown when you are penalized?
Youre responsible for your actions, and apparently other faceless peoples actions as well. Since giving someone the "kys" treatment is bannable.
Rioter Comments
: Don't worry. If you haven't received a punishment yet, you're good. The instant feedback system works really quickly. If you have received a punishment or receive one in the next few months just ask the support to review the game, since it was an honest mistake and not intentional.
Why would someone offer themselves up to a chopping block? Your logic makes me cringe.
: As Imperial Pandaa stated, it directly contradicts your claim of "riot never kept logs of pre and post game chat before."
So one post confirms that? How do i know that this wasnt an "Extreme Case"?
Chermorg (NA)
: The underlying **theory** of the Tribunal still exists, has been the same since video games were first played online, and will continue to be the same. The non-existence of the exact system is irrelevant - the theory behind it is the same.
How did you get a role as advisor when you have no idea what you are saying lmao. Youre arguing theory's now? How does a computer do a better job at gauging toxicity than a Tribunal? They dont, you get banned for buzzwords. You still havent answered any of my questions and keep saying ridiculous stuff to throw me off.
: Might want to actually read the thread. The OP didn't have those logs on the card that was given to them. Those bans were received before pre/post game chat logs was given to people who were banned.
5 Months ago, with no announcement. My comment still stands.
: Yet, it goes completely against your claim of: > [{quoted}](name=Sink With Me,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MVo4Pbpe,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-20T05:49:49.835+0000) > > You didnt answer my question because riot never kept logs of pre and post game chat before. You must be new. Which just confirms for me this is a troll post with someone who just wishes to waste time and try to rile people up. Good night.
1v1 Me irl honestly, i hate pencil pushing 4 eyed people like yourself.
Chermorg (NA)
: The underlying principles have stayed the same. "One who doesn't know history is bound to repeat it". Outdated principles and theories do not suddenly become bad because they're outdated. The theory of gravity is almost 500 years old now (depending on who you attribute the start of that to). Does that mean gravity somehow doesn't exist because it's "outdated"?
I looked at the info and none of the answered on any of those posts are relevant since they all mention a system that doesnt exist anymore. Does that clear up what i said or do you still want to argue ridiculous semantics in a demeaning manner?
Chermorg (NA)
: That's not extraordinary at all. Society as a whole operates on a code of morals. A code of morals is, by definition, defined by the population's majority. If a majority of people think something's wrong, it's wrong, and if a majority of people see no problem with something, then it's okay. This is how real life works as well - most people agree murder is not okay, thus it is illegal. Most people agree that going 80 on a highway in rural Texas is okay, thus it's not illegal. In some states people think smoking in public is immoral - thus it's illegal - yet in other states it's not - because their population doesn't consider that immoral. Likewise in League, toxicity is defined by what the majority of players think is toxic. If a majority of players (as evidenced by the millions of prior Tribunal votes, reports now, comments, support tickets, surveys, etc) think something is toxic, then Riot will punish the behavior (on their standard of consistency times severity). If the behavior mostly goes unreported, wasn't punished in tribunal (or only weakly so), doesn't have people complaining about it in surveys or tickets... then Riot is not likely to punish that behavior as it's obviously not seen as toxic by the community.
You keep bringing up the Tribunal like it has relevancy? There is no definition of toxic behavior, only vague sentences. Nothing concrete. Being anonymous online is different than speeding 80 on a backroad. Youre comparing things that with logic cannot be compared.
: What's this? OwO A post from 5 months back that says otherwise? > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HzvVO8zo,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2018-01-23T16:29:49.853+0000) > > You ban was actually for post game chat. It doesn't show up on the reform card (yet) which can be confusing, but we do look at it. > > Rammus, kys you cowardly counterpicking pos > kys leo <3 > > bot lane please kill yourself you fucking garbage > > end your life > please
5 months? Holy wow its almost like they made some kind of announcement saying that pre and post game chat are on the cards! Youre just bootlicking bro, not helping.
Chermorg (NA)
: This is all public info which most people who've read the boards (new and old) for years have seen multiple Rioters confirm. Even though some of the info's outdated, you may wish to read some of [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541) which is a collection of information.
That info is outdated, therefore not worth looking into.
: Account hacked, 14 day ban.
Riot games doesnt accept responsibility for anything except your money.
Chermorg (NA)
: Nah, if you want the real reason it's because I took a break from League around the end of season 5 (First year of my studies and had big finals coming up) and when I came back couldn't remember my login name (remembered my password and summoner name, but that's not enough and unfortunately Riot back then couldn't access usernames, not sure if they even can now). So I made a new account and kept on keeping on. I also have an account I use only for non-SR games with friends that isn't connected in any way to this one (you'd be surprised how many times someone's noticed my name). You're the one making some extraordinary claim (that everyone loves toxicity) - you're the one with the burden of proof.
Im not making any claim, im disputing yours. Yours is an extraordinary claim, saying that everyone is against toxicity while it doesnt have a firm definition.
: You didn't refute a single part of my post.
Your post was a statement, if there was a question maybe i would answer you. Im not arguing with a 40 year old Riot Bot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sink With Me,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MVo4Pbpe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-20T05:46:12.600+0000) > > Woa woa, customers? I thought this was a free to play game? How deep does this rabbit hole go? Keep pre and post game chat logs out of bans. They dont affect the game. Your statements are invalid, lacking knowledge :)
Glad you know that much about me Mr Smarty Pants over here. Id like to see this lack of knowledge you speak of though, maybe i can get some college grants.
Chermorg (NA)
: They have actually kept pre/post logs for quite a long time, and even during tribunal days would be examined for cases of extreme toxicity (threats, doxxing, etc).
You work at Riot? Na? Then dont know how you have this info. Extreme cases i understand, however ive never seen a single extreme case ban for out of game chat. Therefore I still dont have an answer.
Chermorg (NA)
: You act as if people don't ever have multiple accounts, or transfer their account multiple times (and get bugged history in the process)... I was around for tribunal, voted on hundreds if not thousands of cases, and had a 98% accuracy rate.
Im sure you were also around for the meteor dropping on the T-Rex. I wonder why you have multiple accounts though, could it be that Mr 98% was toxic as well? You still didnt provide any context to your answers.
: It is in fact an answer. And if you actually bothered to read maybe you would even see what was said. I explained that the pre and post game was considered for punishments **before** they were included in chat logs. So "Why not" is a valid answer because it was already being used. You may as well let it be seen and more known that it is. I'm soft because I think hate speech and encouraging suicide doesn't belong in a fucking video game? And to clarify in case you can't comprehend empathy. I don't give two shits if you want to use zero tolerance at me. I understand that not everyone has the same mental fortitude though. You never know who that one "kys" will push over the edge. If that makes me a "white knight" then fine, I'll take that over whatever pathetic excuse of matter you are.
LOL your comment is gonna get deleted, mr trigger pants. You didnt answer my question because riot never kept logs of pre and post game chat before. You must be new.
: Because you're still expected to be civil in pre-game lobby and post-game lobby. It has always been the case but only recently has it automatically been included in the chat logs when you receive a punishment. Why are you still expected to be civil you may ask? Because it's still part of Riot's game and Riot wants to make sure that customers aren't put off by assholes.
Woa woa, customers? I thought this was a free to play game? How deep does this rabbit hole go? Keep pre and post game chat logs out of bans. They dont affect the game.
Leetri (EUW)
: If you checked his profile during that time he had around 30% win rate with Singed Support. The only reason he had a decent Singed win rate is because he won in his Singed top games. And since winning with an AFK used to be ~25% chance to win the game was basically a 4v5 when he supported.
SOOO even though hes winning, because of a system that Riot put in the game (autofill) HE gets punished because he plays off meta? You make no sense.
Chermorg (NA)
: The Tribunal.. league surveys, report quantity, etc...
You were not around for the Tribunal. I want the cold hard facts otherwise dont argue something you cant prove.
Lost R (NA)
: I watched it happen in real time.
So instead of muting this said player, you decided (DECIDED) to let him flame you just so you could see his account banned? This sounds like a personal problem buddy, I dont think you should be enjoying a flame session.
: maybe you should find a better outlet for your bottled up anger than to flame people
Lol, forgot that there are actual people- oh wait theres a mute function xd.
: I can't say I'm innocent, but I can say the things I've said shouldn't warrant what's been given to me.. and I find comfort that reason isn't completely dead in this community.
Dont call it reason or a Riot bootlicker will spawn out of nowhere.
Chermorg (NA)
: Again, toxicity is defined by the majority. If you don't like it, go start your own MOBA and see if you can make it profitable.
You have all the statistics on that? Id like to see that and also the amount of people surveyed.
Chermorg (NA)
: You don't have to. But Riot's a business, and the vast majority of their players don't want toxicity in the game. Regardless of what room of the house they live in. Riot's always going to side with the majority. It's what makes them money. Don't like it? Go start your own game, see if you can actually run one profitably while letting it be a cesspool of shit.
I think that you are the reason it is a cesspool of shit, buddy. People like you who never have a clear definition of what toxicity is and how it manifests. Riots ban bots are complete bullshit for banning on a whim. There are plenty of cases on this very board where someone was being less than toxic and still recieves a ban. Keep on bootlicking Riot and see where that gets you.
Chermorg (NA)
: Because toxicity is not okay regardless of where it is. Toxicity is toxicity regardless of where it happens. I don't want to see toxicity in pregame, in game, or post game. Most players think the same way as me. It's not a matter of being relevant to the game. It's a matter of making an environment players enjoy playing in.
So youre saying that not only do i need to care about your feelies irl, but now i gotta worry about triggering some nameless basement dweller in a video game?
: why do you think you have the right to flame people without consequences in any place?
Because if its not affecting the game then what is the matter with it? We are talking about gameplay here, not how hurt some 19 year old man in his moms basement is.
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WOA WOA WOA you were reasonable and got banned? haHAA This is ok! Bow to your riot games overloards while they suck the money out of their sinking ship.
: I received a 2 week suspension and I deserve all of it - I apologize
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