: > [{quoted}](name=Rïvêń,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OFL6U5tL,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T17:10:07.530+0000) > > Quite positive the first skin at the top he posted is literally just "Unmasked Kayle" as in, that's what her hair is normally suppose to look like under the helm though, I am interested in how they change it however. Sure, it's supposed to represent her without a helmet, but it technically still isn't canon.
What do you mean by "canon"? Literally a skin made by riot to show what Kayle looks like without her helmet.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O2WNOHzo,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T21:25:45.769+0000) > > Yeah, but the PBE is really too late in the process. They should really be testing user acceptance in some way on almost every dev iteration. Ideally, when they have concept art and are trying to choose a design, they should already be checking that their selection is matching community feedback/requests. Or better yet, they could even show us the early concept art and collect meaningful and directed feedback that way. I'm not saying they need to make a poll for every stage of design and development (though polls are useful feedback collection tools), but there is a clear gap between community expectations and what Riot is setting themselves up to deliver. They should try to close that gap wherever the divergence starts, and I am guessing it happened early on in the case of Kayle's new base design. Its late but they can work around it. They can deliver the current Kayle in 9.5 while working on updating her model for some future patch. Its not like they lost access to her.
I'd be fine if Kayle stays on the PBE until they update her model to more fit her character. They don't need to push the current PBE version of Kayle out. Most people have given negative feedback on her visual design, so I think the appropriate thing to do is to hold off on her and change her design before moving forward. That is the whole point of the PBE. I think that they could do some big changes to her model. Does anybody remember 1st iteration of Battlecast Skarner?
: > [{quoted}](name=SitPoopyPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOuWEJpU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-23T01:20:01.025+0000) > > Yes you can play Kayle support, but you need to pick the right runes and know what you are doing... which goes for every other support Thanks bro...but this was from 2 years ago. How did you even find it?
Oh... my bad... this is awkward I searched Kayle in the Search bar for rework kayle thought and insight
333lom (EUNE)
: Here are my edits for Kayle's base visuals
This looks so good! Too bad Riot can't make anything this good. It would be impossible for Riot to make something that looks this good. They have to take into consideration bugs and other things that could crash the game. They just couldn't do it with the resources and people that they have.
kargish (EUW)
: Okay a pro team was warned for "discriminating" females by banning their mains but
I don't get why girls and boys are separated in Esports to begin with.
: Kayle
Yes you can play Kayle support, but you need to pick the right runes and know what you are doing... which goes for every other support
: > [{quoted}](name=SitPoopyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGlsqLdb,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T01:08:28.162+0000) > > Please tell me how somebody from an European country should have more influence on Venezuelan policy over somebody from Venezuela. I'm curious about your idea of democracy. United Nations? By that logic, why did the US participate in Kosovo War? And yes, I know that was NATO, but the UN also promotes international cooperation. Why is Trump so eager getting involved in the Venezuelan situation ?
> [{quoted}](name=PTZekrom69,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGlsqLdb,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T10:52:00.658+0000) > > United Nations? By that logic, why did the US participate in Kosovo War? And yes, I know that was NATO, but the UN also promotes international cooperation. Why is Trump so eager getting involved in the Venezuelan situation ? I'm not here to talk about actual politics and dictatorships. The UN has its power limited and is there mainly for humanitarian reasons and to allow cooperation for conflicting ideas between nations, in hopes for a better and peaceful resolution. The UN doesn't dictate policy to individual countries.
ZaFiReX (EUW)
: I think it will be similar to Aatrox one... Garbage. Sorry for being honest
It wouldn't surprise me, but it's better then them just ignoring the community altogether. I pray that they will give us most of what we want tho.
Dynikus (NA)
: Looks like Kayle's getting a slight redesign
: > [{quoted}](name=SitPoopyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGlsqLdb,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T23:22:52.139+0000) > > I guess you don't know how democracy works, given the context of the example. I can write you an essay if you prefer-
> [{quoted}](name=PTZekrom69,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGlsqLdb,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T23:34:18.960+0000) > > I can write you an essay if you prefer- Please tell me how somebody from an European country should have more influence on Venezuelan policy over somebody from Venezuela. I'm curious about your idea of democracy.
: > I think new players to Kayle should have their opinions heard but it shouldn't count as much. > Like with your Venezuelan comparison, the people who are affected the most should have their voices heard over the people giving their opinion from the outside. That's not how democracy works. One man, one vote.
> [{quoted}](name=PTZekrom69,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGlsqLdb,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-19T22:27:05.991+0000) > > That's not how democracy works. One man, one vote. I guess you don't know how democracy works, given the context of the example.
: Saying we can't have an opinion on Kayle's look because we don't play her is actually very dumb
Hi, support Kayle main here. I think the new Kayle looks nasty AF. I think new players to Kayle should have their opinions heard but it shouldn't count as much. Like with your Venezuelan comparison, the people who are affected the most should have their voices heard over the people giving their opinion from the outside.
: "Kayle can't wear armor cuz she's squishy" You sure about that?
Remember even though all splash art looks better than the base one, Kayle is going to strip it off when she ascends.
Baval (NA)
: New Kayle
I understand the wings like how I understand Ao Shin's tail. It'd be too big and players would click on the wings to try and damage her.
: The removal of Kayle's armor makes sense. (Sort of)
I disagree with the visual aid thing. Unless if the champion has a weapon that dedicates if they are ranged or melee, most new players don't know what to buy their champions. AD Annie
: I agree with the armor, but "long blonde hair" has never been a core part of her character.
https://www.mobafire.com/images/champion/skins/landscape/kayle-unmasked.jpg https://www.mobafire.com/images/champion/skins/landscape/kayle-battleborn.jpg https://www.mobafire.com/images/champion/skins/landscape/kayle-aether-wing.jpg I'm not asking for Riot to get rid of her helmet, but the hair she has in this rework of hers is disgusting! https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ffixlkmb.jpg%5B%2FIMG%5D&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425
Rioter Comments
Parznip (NA)
: I Think Kayle Would Look Better With Blonde Hair.
Kayle's new hair looks to be on the same level of Taric's old pre-rework hair. It's awful!
Gixia (NA)
: How Kayle should have looked
As long as Kayle never takes off that helmet or armor when she ascends, I'll be okay with this.
Kàzzy (NA)
: give your design team a raise riot
I think they did a horrible job with Kayle. I am a support Kayle main and I am very upset with how she looks.
: Gotta say: Not a fan of Kayle's new look.
Kayle's new (visual) rework looks horrible! I main support Kayle. Riot please change the they way she looks!
: You can type /fullmute all and you dont have to see a single ping, emote, or chat message from anyone for the rest of the game. Or just do that and turn pings back on.
That's annoying to do every game if I already know that I want to mute everybody in the game (except for pings). I think it would be a lot more helpful if there was a setting in gameplay that I can check to have it always turned off. Also it would be nice if you could access your game's settings thought the client instead of having to enter a game and quickly do it there.
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NO FRAY (NA)
: server lag
I've also been having this problem.
Kuroi86 (NA)
: As Riot put it, the new jungle you have to choose. You can either farm hard or gank hard, you're not supposed to be able to do both now. You can either farm hard until you hit your power game, or do a quick clear, back and then start ganking hard with a jungle camp here and there.
With that logic they should up minion damage and health. So laners have to choose to either farm hard or poke hard..... It just makes for lousy game, in my opinion. And now, I'm not finding the jungle to be fun anymore. It feels more like a committed job. I haven't seen a game go well for these gank hard champions.
Kuroi86 (NA)
: Yes, lets pretend the old jungle was diverse. {{champion:64}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:254}} Personally, I'm enjoying the new challenge of relearning and remastering the jungle. Only now, I can be certain I've got a chance against my opponent instead of knowing they can clear their jungle, my jungle and kill me and half my lanes without even losing half their health.
I use to {{champion:72}} {{champion:120}} in the jungle all the time, and I would easily counter {{champion:64}} {{champion:121}} all the time. I wouldn't be able to 1v1 them, but I would be able to support my team better and farm the jungle a lot faster with the use of {{item:3205}}. The jungle felt way more strategic in season 4, now it feels like farmville 101. I use to be able to farm the jungle until I reached level 3, gank, then return to base. Now, I farm the jungle until I reach level 2, return to base, farm the jungle, attempt to gank, and die because I had to back and now I'm a couple levels behind. The new jungle is more farm centered and I don't like that. The game should be more centered around ganking lanes and taking towers, that's what made the old jungle fun.
Rioter Comments
: Wraiths were odd that one is ranged and the other 3 aren't but there isn't anything telling you that as their model is exactly the same. Just a different color and slightly larger. Plus they are ugly as sin and would stick out on the new map.
Also, the Crimson Rasorbeak (the biggest bird in the camp) spits little fire balls at any champion that attacks it or its comrades.

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