dont bother (EUNE)
: 48% WR plat+ yes hes very op must nerf
In what world is a champion outscaling everyone in the game with just a Tear not OP?
: > [{quoted}](name=SithesisLord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Uv1KEy0n,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-11-26T18:46:40.781+0000) > > 7 of the 10 best top laners in Diamond+ are Bruisers. > > 10 of the 20 best are Bruisers. > > Out of the 7 S+ tier top laners, 5 are Bruisers. > > [But sure, let's continue this narrative that the Bruiser class is somehow garbage.](https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=top&rank=diamond_plus) Bruiser is a term is too broad. Lets say juggernauts. And yes Darius can have 80% win rate and he is still a garbage champion who cant do anything against anyone who knows how to play this game.
Juggernaut is literally a subclass of Bruiser. As is Diver.
: Most of top lane complains come from being a bruiser. The class is garbage, not the lane itself.
7 of the 10 best top laners in Diamond+ are Bruisers. 10 of the 20 best are Bruisers. Out of the 7 S+ tier top laners, 5 are Bruisers. [But sure, let's continue this narrative that the Bruiser class is somehow garbage.](https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=top&rank=diamond_plus)
: hes always done that and riot allows it cause they think its healthy then even have stated his gameplay is fine and healithier then old aatrox.
>healithier then old aatrox. I want whatever coke Riot is sniffing, because it HAS to be good for them to think that.
: Hook supports and Leona needs some heavy nerfs
Yeah, let's nerf hook supports and give Senna free reign over the support role. I can't possibly see how that could go wrong. /s
: Can we please stop Death's Dance from interrupting recall?
Death's Dance didn't interrupt your recall. The minion did. You know, because that is how minions have always worked. Plus, the Bleed not affecting recall is a bullshit thing to put on a bullshit item that makes Guinsoo's Rageblade look mildly healthy for the game.
: morde isnt oppressive. He's gated by very delayed skillshots. you can 1v1 a fed 10/0 morde assuming you manage to consistently dodge his skills.
And then he just presses R on you and wins anyways.
: Can we do something about a juggernaut building {{item:3742}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3800}} and invalidating their only weakness while still gaining all the stats they want?
Nearly 9300 gold vs. just picking a keystone from the most broken rune tree.
Tolinar (NA)
: The argument against Omnistone - a pointless rune.
I have an argument in favor of Omnistone: It won't get Kayle gutted to oblivion.
: Unpopular opinion - There was nothing wrong with Tahm Kench in the first place.
There was, and there still is, actually. Riot's refusal to remove allied Devour and balance him around top lane.
Yenn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=7thHeaven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LYKU9EFz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T09:05:39.033+0000) > > When was top lane intended to be 'melee vs. melee,' ?????????????? The pre-season is receiving changes to deter ranged champions from top lane. > Primarily we want to make sure that we have mechanics to safeguard from ranged champions taking over top lane, which is the primary place where we get melee 1v1 matchups
Did you even actually read and understand the changes? They're not trying to stop ranged champions from going top lane. They're trying to stop melee vs. ranged matchups from being 200% in favor of ranged.
Rioter Comments
: Nobody never even noticed kayle until now
Blame it on Klepto and the Inspiration tree being fundamentally broken.
: mordekaiser will literally not have a rune next season.
New Conqueror still gives adaptive though. Mordekaiser will be fine.
: Riot pls read it this is really important
Or do remove it so Renekton can actually fall off.
Ayanleh (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=t2L2RUA4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-25T15:32:32.620+0000) > > {{champion:245}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:28}} > > It's not a matter of just mages. You could say the same to AD assassins building cleaver and steraks, just make the items incentivize building tanky like steraks health scaling.
Or add Abyssal Mask like auras.
Juice (EUNE)
: "Remember when teams couldn't go FULL AD?!?!?!" I love this stupid argument. Why shouldn't teams be allowed to go full AD? Because you picked tank and tried winning in champ select? Do you think you're 5Head for picking tank or what? Tanks are unhealthy by design.
>Tanks are unhealthy by design. Found the ~~Cancer~~ Bruiser main.
: > [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B4aaaxta,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T01:51:07.339+0000) > > It is when most champions can utter destroy her in that time frame and even after that she barely does anything until lvl 11. If you are losing to a kayle before lvl 11 that's on you It's not that I am loosing to her it's just that I can't even reach her. Her Passive Movement Speed in all directions + her 26 - 50% Slow on her Q (which happens to be the first ability she maxes so good luck catching, fighting or even trying to trade with her). If the high Winrate in all elos of more than 52%, or that the Pros that are crushing most games with her in Mid or Bot Lane now (which were considered to be the two most riskiest lanes for her in the past) or even the fact that she's being played in LCS again isn't saying that she's too strong you're just straight up being delusional. Have a look at this... https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/lcs/lcs-replays/kayle https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/kayle
Yeah, let's all just forget that her pro play and SoloQ presence are being carried entirely by Klepto and the Inspiration tree giving her a fuck ton of gold for being uninteractive, thus making denying her CS a pointless effort. Look at her winrate with other rune combinations, then tell me she's still a problem.
Kazekiba (NA)
: Thats why theyre nerfing him.
They lowered 20 seconds from Shaco's boxes. Riot is so out of touch they won't outright gut the two most broken champs in the game right now. But god forbid Zoe drops a TP or hell, a Gunblade at level 3.
Juice (EUNE)
: Darius gets 2000+ gold for attacking you 5 times. Lol. This champ is just pure auto win if you have 10 fingers on your hands. Beating him is nearly impossible, even if you outplay him and get multiple kills on him. Toxic champ, that's why Top is in such a miserable state. You can autofill as top and pick Darius walk into enemy minion wave lv1 and 100>0 enemy top laner without him being able to do anything. The only counterplay is to not fight Darius and PRAY your team carries you. But yeah "GAREN" is OP ahaha, no CC, no sustain (please don't even think about talking about his passive as "sustain" in the early game) The only place Garen is OP is under GOLD , but if Riot balanced the game around GOLD and under the game would be vastly different.
>Darius gets 2000+ gold for attacking you 5 times. Lol. If he ever gets there. Darius goes Ghost/Flash for a reason. >This champ is just pure auto win if you have 10 fingers on your hands. And if aren't against the likes of Ornn, GP, Kayle, all the ranged top laners, a Jax that's not on Paper Mache 27 elo, etc. >Beating him is nearly impossible, even if you outplay him and get multiple kills on him. If you're choosing to fight him when he's at an advantage, say, after ulting 2 members of your team, then yeah. But then again, why are you fighting him when he's at an advantage? >Toxic champ, that's why Top is in such a miserable state. Top is in a miserable state because of all the ADCs going there and Klepto. >You can autofill as top and pick Darius walk into enemy minion wave lv1 and 100>0 enemy top laner without him being able to do anything. Good luck doing that to a Quinn or a Kennen without Ghost/Flash. hell, WITH Ghost/Flash they'll still kite the fuck out of you. Darius is anything but blind pickable right now. >The only counterplay is to not fight Darius and outscale him by default the attosecond the game timer reaches 25 minutes. FTFY >But yeah "GAREN" is OP ahaha, no CC, no sustain (please don't even think about talking about his passive as "sustain" in the early game) Silence is CC. Hard CC too. Also, regen and shields count as sustain. Garen happens to have both. But a lot more of the former. Garen's passive IS still sustain. >The only place Garen is OP is under GOLD [Sure](https://u.gg/lol/champions/garen/build) [It](https://op.gg/champion/garen/statistics/top) [Is](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/garen/top)
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uMdV9EHO,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-10-14T12:30:37.246+0000) > > I mean, I placed 3rd overall damage(30.4k, only about 1k behind 2nd place) one game while playing full tank Ornn. I feel like I shouldn't be able to do that under any circumstances. > > I actually find myself carrying more when I build full tank on tank champions. damage isnt always relevant damage. Keep that in mind.
Also, Ornn is naturally going to deal more damage simply due to his main form of damage, the Brittle procs, dealing %Max HP damage.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mPuedbR3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-14T02:44:16.516+0000) > If anything new Aatrox is more unique then the old one. Lol, ripoff Riven is unique? Hah, you are hilarious.
Their similarities begin and end on their Q having three parts and their E having a dash. Other than that, Aatrox is quite literally nothing like Riven.
: Ah, yes, they're incompetent because they're not immediately kneecapping a champion, and are instead trying to balance them instead of instantly gutting them to 40% winrate. Makes perfect sense. /s
Remember when they threw a planet on Zoe's head? Yeah, they haven't done that for Aatrox, Irelia, Akali, or Sylas. All the nerfs they've received throughout their entire existence should have been applied on a single patch, without compensation. Then, buff them back up slowly. Very slowly. Snail slowly. +5 damage every 5 patches slowly. Unhealthy champions SHOULD be gutted instantly. No exceptions. Not even in skin sales. And those 4 qualify 1000% as unhealthy.
Rioter Comments
Anatera (NA)
: It's very funny to see Sylas solo kill basically everybody because of his overloaded sustain
Almost as if giving him a powerful base kit + a powerful ultimate is a bad idea. They either need to make him ult dependent and make the rest of his kit garbage, or make the resource conversion from the ults he steals utter garbage and keep his kit intact so he's not a better AP Irelia than AP Irelia, a better AP GP than AP GP, a better Kayle than Kayle, a better AP Ashe than AP Ashe, etc.
: Why is Nashor's Tooth still an item
Kayle still builds Nashor's in almost every single one of her builds. Even Muramana builds feature it.
: ***
No it was because it looked like garbage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xFnuYUN8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-27T20:50:41.676+0000) > > Very curious what their thought process was behind this or if there was any. If we make all the bruisers broken, then maybe they can finally deal with ranged top laners!
And then people will only flock more towards ranged toplaners, because everyone else will be simply too weak to deal with the broken bruisers. Ranged toplaners, as in, ranged champions actually designed to top lane are a necessary evil. Stuff like Corki, Vayne, Tristana and Neeko top can fuck right off though.
: A better tank item that bruisers and mages can't abuse!
Or just make their armor items scale with bonus armor (IBG, Cold Steel items, Thornmail, Sunfire) and their MR items scale with bonus MR.
: Jax does literally just as much burst damage as any assassin, whilst building bruiser -_-
Because he has the damage of a Skirmisher, the mobility of an Assassin, the build of a Diver and therefore, the sustain of one. He's simply one of the few textbook examples of unhealthy game design.
Antenora (EUW)
: Playing Kayle before 9.17 LUL.
: Kayle is such a rare pick that knowing how to play around a Kayle is mostly a nonfactor.
It's basic League of Legends. Full late game comp? Sit your ass under turret, farm, outscale. But nooooo, people wanna pull off every single play before the ten minute mark with a late game comp. IN PLATINUM ELO. I've seen Iron players know that you shouldn't do that.. But thus far, out of 50 matches in Plat, i've seen it done once. ONCE. And it was, as expected, as half-assed as only Platinum elo can manage to pull off.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
rujitra (NA)
: The onus is on you (the complainant) to prove the matchmaking needs "fixed", and that ranked progression MMR needs a "hard look". I encourage you to provide the data upon which you are basing this. Please note that your own personal opinion and anecdotal experience, nor that of a couple dozen users, is indicative of a problem. Oh wait, you don't have such data?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-14T21:58:22.462+0000) > > The onus is on you (the complainant) to prove the matchmaking needs "fixed", and that ranked progression MMR needs a "hard look". > > I encourage you to provide the data upon which you are basing this. Please note that your own personal opinion and anecdotal experience, nor that of a couple dozen users, is indicative of a problem. > > Oh wait, you don't have such data? So Grandmaster and Challenger players getting matched with and against D3/D4 players is entirely okay?
: the worst days of zero interaction lanes
The best days for those without ADHD.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: LOL because QSS exists because it can be immuned because it's single target
Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because QSS is on 90 second CD. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because immunity means shit. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. Because he can reapply as soon as it ends. See where i'm getting at?
Rioter Comments
: Cause late game picks don't have a bad early game anymore.
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: Yes, ren doesnt fall off because of SoS. Thats it. Remove that, and him + Jax will likely fall off a cliff.
>Jax will likely fall off a cliff. Jax is a late game champion. Remove SoS and he'll still not fall off because he's not supposed to fall off. He just needs to actually be weak early.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Pantheon rework looks really good.
A shame Kayle didn't get the same treatment for her VGU. She's a massive downgrade on everything but a few splash arts.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Grouchy Poro,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ird8BEQ6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-28T12:10:22.316+0000) > > Because hes overtuned like every other bruiser now can we talk about why vayne can do 14% of you max health every 0.2 seconds and why garen does more damage then an assasin with no damage items and why darius garen and cho can point and click 2000 of you health or why mundo is uneffected by grevious wonds or why vlad can point and click 1000 of you health away while healing 1000 of his own or why every ap midlaner can spam high damage abilities wioth no mana cost or why assassins are more like fighters because they dont have cooldowns why voli builds full tank and 1 shots people?
Because his main source of damage scales with his HP. And gets reduced to nothing with Tabi.
: ThornMail does not accomplish it's anti-aa function.
Just make the return damage be 5%(+1% per 100 armor) of all physical damage returned as true damage.
Eyesack (NA)
: Once everyone gets 1-2 items people just start getting exploded
Unless you're playing Kayle. Then you need at least 4 full items (not counting boots), level 16 and even then she's not one tapping anyone.
Teh Song (NA)
: The passive on death's dance is meant to give squishy damagers a chance to lifesteal before they get bursted. That's why it also has a healing passive. It's not so much a bruiser item as it is a adc item.
Except literally all of the item's users bar Draven have one or more forms of sustain built in and therefore, are pretty far from being squishy.
: If Sorcery can get a proper [Damage over Time] Rune (like Deathfire Touch) then that's all I personally want.
: > [{quoted}](name=SithesisLord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f1kAmyK3,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-13T20:18:36.206+0000) > > Yeah, because Press the Attack and Grasp TOTALLY don't exist. Ah, every other Class has their own Keystones, but Bruisers just because the majority of the Boards/Community don't know how to play against them, aren't allowed to have one? Grasp is for Tanks, PtA is for ADCs. Even Riot acknowledged that when they memed about how Bruisers had no keystone for several months and specifically made Conquerer for them.
No, Riot made Conqueror because ~~Cancer~~ Bruiser mains complained they weren't shitting on tanks from champ select onwards and actually had to learn the lane. Also, all keystones have almost all champions in mind, but people will always pick the one that works more reliably. GPs will always take Grasp/Footwork into hard matchups, Klepto into tank matchups, Comet if they want to scale, Harvest if they want to have fun with AP GP or are just tired of every other keystone. ~~Cancers~~ Bruisers can take PTA (Camille, Renekton), Grasp (Yorick, Garen, Mundo, Volibear), Conqueror (Irelia, Darius). ADCs go PTA, LT, Footwork, Harvest, Comet, Klepto. Sivir even had Spellbook as her main keystone for a while.
: The only one that can actual outheal someone who DMGs him, is Aatrox, because of his E and R. The Rest will heal a bit, but that's about it. If you remove the heal now, after Riot made almost every Bruiser a draintank, they lose a great Keystone, again, having none.
Yeah, because Press the Attack and Grasp TOTALLY don't exist.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Bone Dad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ThssZX5E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T04:02:41.894+0000) > > Unless it's riven. Nerfed recently and her win rate is below average except at the highest elos Edit: You don't have to believe but it true, ten bucks most of the people who are downvoting me are the low elo players and those silver and below players I'm talking about, guess what, at your elos, Riven has a 43% win rate https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/?rank=iron 45% at bronze https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/?rank=bronze and 48% at Silver which is below the average and where most of the players who complain about her play.
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