Rioter Comments
: C9 and TSM do the same garbage performance every year. At least IMT gave us some real hope when they were actually competive with Longzhu for half their first game, and were able to stage a comeback against a fed Fnatic. Meanwhile TSM throws because it's what they do, and for two years running C9 has been graced with a Chinese team choking and an LMS team that looks worse than half the play-in teams.
> [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=4WvsUFZQ,comment-id=0006000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-16T23:48:16.510+0000) > > C9 and TSM do the same garbage performance every year. At least IMT gave us some real hope when they were actually competive with Longzhu for half their first game, and were able to stage a comeback against a fed Fnatic. Meanwhile TSM throws because it's what they do, and for two years running C9 has been graced with a Chinese team choking and an LMS team that looks worse than half the play-in teams. You're really going to try and devalue c9 advancing when IMT couldn't even beat FNC or GAM to advance. They had a way better shot than C9 and couldn't even win one game on the 2nd day. Really, just because they put up a fight against Longzhu in 1 game they deserve more praise than C9? Okay, so does that mean TSM and CLG's runs last year were good, just because they took a game off ROX and SSG? I bet you won't say that, but it's okay for IMT's because they're a new team. If anything, they false hoped harder than CLG did last year. And you want to talk about C9 getting free wins, when IMT only really won against FNC cuz Rekkles got caught out overextending? C9 had two chinese teams choke back to back? How did IMAY choke? Everyone knew they would do poorly. Most people had them slotted 4th in their group. If anything they overperformed getting two games off of FW. And if anything people overhyped EDG, they underperform at worlds every year. This was just the first year they actually had a team that could challenge them for 2nd place, and look what happened they failed. They're pretty much the chinese TSM, win domestically, but fail internationally. Their only exception was MSI. EDG actually did better than I expected.
: Who's going to win Worlds
Surprised FNC and C9 are getting more votes than RNG. They definitely look like the strongest non-korean team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Smart Kitty,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lAI7j4yB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-16T22:20:47.697+0000) > > So basically TSM can only make it if Sven's weighing down another team. Seems legit. What? Sven was with SK and he was subbed. It’s why they lost you TSM. They didn’t have their jungler My point being, it took TSM being in an easy group and SK having a sub to get out of group.
> [{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=lAI7j4yB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-10-16T23:14:02.664+0000) > > What? > Sven was with SK and he was subbed. It’s why they lost you TSM. They didn’t have their jungler > > My point being, it took TSM being in an easy group and SK having a sub to get out of group. Yeah so he weighed them down by getting himself benched when they needed him. Making them field Gillius who couldn't even get them a win against TPA.
: Western ADC are all Jokes
What about Sneaky? Don't leave anyone out of the S-post.
yeulx (NA)
: bleh im salty almost perfect picks D:
I got 49, I'm kinda sad too. I had Misfits over TSM, but either A I switched them last minute without remembering, or B it didn't save me putting MSF as 2nd and TSM as 3rd. I still woulda missed LZ's group anyways, so I guess it doesn't matter.
: RNG or WE making the finals would surpass any other, due both to China having a lot larger viewer base and a favorable air time.
> [{quoted}](name=Mazariamonti,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Rvy7iYE7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-16T19:01:05.673+0000) > > RNG or WE making the finals would surpass any other, due both to China having a lot larger viewer base and a favorable air time. So basically, the highest viewer base would most likely be if it was a C9 vs RNG final. Too bad that won't happen.
: Pick'ems KO stage
I'm sorry, but if Misfits upset SKT, I couldn't possibly see them losing to FNC afterwards. FNC also had a shakier group stage. Didn't they also beat FNC in the playoffs as well? Anyways: SKT vs MSF 3-1 SKT FNC vs RNG 3-1 RNG (FNC does have good upset potential here though) LZ vs SSG 3-0 LZ WE vs C9 3-2 (C9 i guess still uncertain) Semis: SKT vs RNG 3-1 SKT LZ vs WE/C9 3-0 LZ Finals: SKT vs LZ 3-2 LZ Highest upset potential FNC vs RNG. I would say C9 vs WE but it's hard to call it an upset no matter who wins, these two teams seem about even.
Newbib21 (NA)
: Pickem 2017 knockouts
You only need 8 points, so theorectically you only need 1-2 correct picks. I don't think you should put MSF over SKT. They did exceed most people's expectations, but they most likely won't beat SKT. RNG vs FNC is most likely correct. FNC have a little potential to upset them, but I think RNG having the home crowd momentum will give them a boost in strength and they had a much better showing in groups. LZ most likely will beat SSG, especially considering they already dropped two games to RNG, and almost lost to 1907 when they had to use a new jungler last minute. WE most likely will beat C9, but I actually put C9 winning too, just for some NA support. C9 also probably has the highest upset potential next to FNC, considering WE split games with TSM. I'm pretty sure you got 8 points, but I think you'll get a lot more if you slot the korean teams into the finals. Edit: Also forgot I have LZ winning the finals over SKT. P.S. There's also a chance that you're the greatest prophet of all time, and I'm completely and utterly wrong.
: Team Dignitas is no longer in the NA LCS
I'm kinda glad DIG is gone, hopefully an NA team will pick up Jankos, I really want to see him play in NA. He's my favorite jungler.
: Forgive Me For I Have Sinned
guess we're sinning together
: Fun fact about NA at worlds
So basically TSM can only make it if Sven's weighing down another team. Seems legit.
: So with tons of hype and barely getting into Quarters and promptly losing out very convincingly is better than getting knocked out in groups? That's only a half step better and not worthy of any praise. Yes, I would love to see new faces and teams make a trip to worlds and get that huge stage and international experience. Clearly TSM, C9, and CLG have not benefitted from their experiences at worlds as all of them have never once even made semis. Call me crazy, but I would rather see new teams try than have my expectations in the gutter from the same teams failing every year.
> [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=4WvsUFZQ,comment-id=00060000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-16T18:52:47.318+0000) > > So with tons of hype and barely getting into Quarters and promptly losing out very convincingly is better than getting knocked out in groups? That's only a half step better and not worthy of any praise. > > Yes, I would love to see new faces and teams make a trip to worlds and get that huge stage and international experience. Clearly TSM, C9, and CLG have not benefitted from their experiences at worlds as all of them have never once even made semis. > > Call me crazy, but I would rather see new teams try than have my expectations in the gutter from the same teams failing every year. Okay but if those new faces can't even make it into quarter finals, what's really the point? I'd rather have the best teams in NA representing NA. Even if they only make it to quarters every year, at least their doing something. I don't care if it's new faces or HotshotGG or Reginald. Just keep getting closer to semis, show a little fight. I don't wanna see DIG and TL going 0-6 just for NA to have "new faces". I'd rather see C9 or TSM or whoever get to quarters every year instead, even if they do get knocked out after. At least then we actually have a chance of getting to semis, albeit how slim it is.
: Group B
I think IMT got one of the best western draws, let's see if they can get a game against LZ.
: You mean when they stumbled out of Groups last year to get swept out of the Quarters? Or the year before when they couldn't win ONE game of four to get out of groups? Or the one before that when they and TSM both were beaten in Quarterfinals by the Samsung squads? Or any MSI ever, or winning minor IEM tournaments? Ever since being seeded into the Quarters of Season 3 and promptly losing their only series, they have never been of any more note than TSM or CLG, who have been just as disappointing through international play, the only somewhat major trophy NA ever had a lousy IEM Championship trophy won by TSM, who won without ever facing any other team which would go on to Worlds. Yes, I laugh at those three teams and cheer for Immortals to break the mold.
> [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=4WvsUFZQ,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-08-27T23:32:29.367+0000) > > You mean when they stumbled out of Groups last year to get swept out of the Quarters? > Or the year before when they couldn't win ONE game of four to get out of groups? > Or the one before that when they and TSM both were beaten in Quarterfinals by the Samsung squads? > Or any MSI ever, or winning minor IEM tournaments? > > Ever since being seeded into the Quarters of Season 3 and promptly losing their only series, they have never been of any more note than TSM or CLG, who have been just as disappointing through international play, the only somewhat major trophy NA ever had a lousy IEM Championship trophy won by TSM, who won without ever facing any other team which would go on to Worlds. > > Yes, I laugh at those three teams and cheer for Immortals to break the mold. 1. I didn't even expect C9 to make it out of groups last year at all. I was pretty confident FW would take it after their performances at the previous worlds and even MSI. Yet, the overly hyped TSM couldn't even make it out of theirs after aiming for top 4 at worlds with the best roster the organization has ever had. Even with TSM being in most difficult group, they still were a skilled enough team to advance, yet didn't. 2. They were the 7th place NA team heading to worlds, and still managed to outperform CLG and TSM. Sure they didn't have a korean team, but all 3 of their opponents should've been more skilled than them. I honestly thought they'd only take a game off IG, and many others thought they wouldn't even win a game. 3. SSW and SSB we're the favorites to win worlds, it was unquestionable they'd get knocked out. SSW probably wouldn't have even lost a game if they hadn't put Looper on Singed. The fact C9 even got a game off of SSB is impressive itself. 4. They never qualified for MSI sure, but look at how well TSM has performed in comparison. At least CLG got 2nd place, TSM couldn't even make it past groups twice. I never said their performances were great, but it still is the best our teams have to show, so yes, I do think cloud 9 deserves a spot. If you want to laugh at that sure, but saying they're continuing to be disappointments when they've pretty much brought us the furthest in international competition, with the exception of CLG's MSI performance, is a bit much. Now, I'm hopeful IMT can break the mold, but I think of all the NA teams that have been to worlds, C9 deserves the most respect for actually doing something even if it's just one-step further than everyone else. Also, you'd rather have Dignitas, a team who barely makes playoffs or avoids relegation despite if their team is talented or not? Look at all that hype SSumday and Chaser brought and they still barely made 6th in the spring split. Props to them for making their first semis, but look at how well they performed in 3rd place, and the following regional qualifier. Yet, you would've had them over C9, just because they'd be a new face? It doesn't matter if we have new faces if they don't make it out of groups either.
: Frankly, I hope C9 doesn't go. Aside from Jensen, their team is under performing. Neither Ray nor Impact has stepped up. Contractz has been mostly forgettable, and their bit duo has been off all split. Barring an embarrassing meltdown to TSM, DIG is looking far better. Adrian and Alter have made a huge splash, Ssumday and Shrimp have been solid play makers and Keane does enough from mid to be a factor. CLG has been looking pretty crummy between the NV series and being swept today by a surging IMT. As things stand, C9 and CLG would just continue to be disappointments on the biggest stages. Fresh teams and faces for NA, even if they don't go far, is an improvement from the cycle of meltdowns of past Worlds.
> [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=4WvsUFZQ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-08-26T23:37:04.640+0000) > > Frankly, I hope C9 doesn't go. > Aside from Jensen, their team is under performing. Neither Ray nor Impact has stepped up. Contractz has been mostly forgettable, and their bit duo has been off all split. > Barring an embarrassing meltdown to TSM, DIG is looking far better. Adrian and Alter have made a huge splash, Ssumday and Shrimp have been solid play makers and Keane does enough from mid to be a factor. > CLG has been looking pretty crummy between the NV series and being swept today by a surging IMT. > > As things stand, C9 and CLG would just continue to be disappointments on the biggest stages. Fresh teams and faces for NA, even if they don't go far, is an improvement from the cycle of meltdowns of past Worlds. Funny how you say they continue to be disappointments when they have pretty much brought us our best international performances.
Ospraey (NA)
: Future of SKT Huni, discussion
Does TSM even have another import slot for Huni? I'm still not quite clear on the import rules and the whole exemption thing. If TSM can only have two imports playing, that means they'll either have to sit out Sven or Bjerg for Huni to play in a game, and I doubt they'll do either. Also, I think Hauntzer's playstyle suits TSM more than Huni's. If we're looking at more realistic possibilities. For NA, he'd probably end up on NV, EF, or maybe FQ FQ could even get both him and reignover if reignover was leaving TL since they actually have both import slots. I know Echo fox already have Looper, but seeing as they've been using brandini over him, I imagine they'd be fine giving up Looper for Huni. For Eu, I really only see G2 and maybe Misfits seeing as they have an extra slot w/o Kakao. I doubt he'd go to any of the other lower caliber teams unless he gambles on one of the new promoted teams. I honestly think LPL is his best option if he's looking for a balance between money/skilled teammates. Since most of the top teams in NA/EU/LCK are already either stacked with other imports or have a better fitting (not better skill wise, but more fitting playstyle to the team) toplaner. He pratically has no competition in LPL, biggest problem would be communication probably.
: Championship Points
Team that got more points in summer wins the tiebreaker.
: Well. If TSM wins the split, then no other team can get more than 70 CP... which means that they can only tie C9 for CP. Whoever wins summer auto qualifies for worlds. So it doesn't really matter with that scenario. CLG and DIG only have 10 CP right now. So the most they could get in a TSM win scenario is 80, not 100. Meaning that they could only tie C9 at best.
> [{quoted}](name=IncrediPhiLL,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=vrwyKycr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-19T13:38:11.799+0000) > > Well. If TSM wins the split, then no other team can get more than 70 CP... which means that they can only tie C9 for CP. Whoever wins summer auto qualifies for worlds. So it doesn't really matter with that scenario. CLG and DIG only have 10 CP right now. So the most they could get in a TSM win scenario is 80, not 100. Meaning that they could only tie C9 at best. No in summer 2nd place gets 90 points, therefore any team that gets 2nd will overtake c9. Also, if teams are tied, whoever gets more points in summer is declared higher seed. If C9 lose, they're in the regionals period.
: So who is playing who for the playoff?
Only way is if NV upset CLG in the playoffs. If it was DIG or IMT as 6th instead of NV, then there'd be decent a chance of a C9 vs TSM final, but I seriously doubt NV could upset CLG even with them starting a new jungle so late.
Miror B (NA)
: Bit off on the regional thing, as with P1/flyquest essentially "Dropping" their points from spring C9 is the only relevant team right now. I gotta check, but I'm pretty sure if C9 wins their third-place game and IMT beats tsm in the finals then we could see C9 be the 2nd seed with TSM being in the finals and the regional qualifiers going Fly->CLG/Dig->CLG/Dig->TSM.
> [{quoted}](name=Mye,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=UR1g8afY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-07T17:39:34.224+0000) > > Bit off on the regional thing, as with P1/flyquest essentially "Dropping" their points from spring C9 is the only relevant team right now. I gotta check, but I'm pretty sure if C9 wins their third-place game and IMT beats tsm in the finals then we could see C9 be the 2nd seed with TSM being in the finals and the regional qualifiers going Fly->CLG/Dig->CLG/Dig->TSM. No C9 have to make it to finals for TSM not to qualify. TSM already has 90 points. C9 has 70. How could C9 possibly be 2nd seed by getting a place lower than TSM without TSM being first seed?
: TSM qualify for Worlds 2017
They have almost assuredly made it, but they have one chance of getting sent to the gauntlet. C9 beats them in semis, and then loses in the finals. Then whoever beats C9 is first seed, 2nd seed is C9, and TSM have to play in regional qualifiers.
: > [{quoted}](name=Smart Kitty,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=l7ZfVeBE,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-07-01T04:30:25.657+0000) > > I was just as doubtful. > > "Man, since Ray won in the 2nd game, they're gonna put him in the third game instead of impact!" > > Ray starts 3rd game, Sven gets Lee sin again as well as other TSM members getting comfort picks, Nunu jg for Contractz. Was practically raging at my screen. > > Then C9 proceeds to objectively demolish TSM. Why would you rage at Nunu? It dumpsters Lee Sin. It doesn't have much in the way of killing lee Sin early. But Lee Sin can't do anything to Nunu and Nunu can just take his buffs at will. So as long as the laners communicate as far as the opposition being out of lane, Nunu can just starve Lee Sin out. It's like having an extra smite that has a shorter cool down than smite.
> [{quoted}](name=BigBellBrute,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=l7ZfVeBE,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-07-01T17:50:50.573+0000) > > Why would you rage at Nunu? It dumpsters Lee Sin. It doesn't have much in the way of killing lee Sin early. But Lee Sin can't do anything to Nunu and Nunu can just take his buffs at will. So as long as the laners communicate as far as the opposition being out of lane, Nunu can just starve Lee Sin out. It's like having an extra smite that has a shorter cool down than smite. For starters I didn't know Nunu countered Lee Sin , and I doubt I'm the only one. Also, because everytime I've seen Nunu in LCS he gets destroyed. I also never really though Nunu was that good of a champ. I haven't played the game in a couple months, so idk if he's been buffed or changed lately, but the last time I played people were talking about how useless he was due to his lack of dmg, mobility, and reliable cc. I knew about him being a good counter jungler, but I didn't really see that as enough of a means to pick him, espeically if you were going to hand Lee Sin over to Sven, who's probably the best Lee Sin in NA if not in LCS as a whole. I knew Nunu would be difficult for Lee Sin to kill, but it's not like I expected the junglers prioritize killing each other, over other members of each team anyway.
: > [{quoted}](name=BigBellBrute,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=0gE2Qus3,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-07-01T04:28:54.344+0000) > > We must never let EU hear the end of it if P1 manages to win even a single game. Can't see it The way they played vs Envy today. As bad as G2 is now, it's nowhere as bad as P1
> [{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=0gE2Qus3,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-07-01T04:50:50.869+0000) > > Can't see it > The way they played vs Envy today. As bad as G2 is now, it's nowhere as bad as P1 Well there's a slight spark of hope, considering how poorly G2's been playing lately as well
: "C9, what the hell are you doing?"
I was just as doubtful. "Man, since Ray won in the 2nd game, they're gonna put him in the third game instead of impact!" Ray starts 3rd game, Sven gets Lee sin again as well as other TSM members getting comfort picks, Nunu jg for Contractz. Was practically raging at my screen. Then C9 proceeds to objectively demolish TSM.
: Ew no it's not
> [{quoted}](name=Mystletaynn,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=x9pkRuBk,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-24T02:18:03.406+0000) > > Ew no it's not not you, a different myst
: Again CLG disappoints.
Yeah I felt the same way as I watched, not disappointed that CLG lost 2-0, but that CLG lost both games badly. They seemed so lost in the 2nd game, despite having all those kills early.
: Huhi is the biggest disappointment of 2017 :(
More disappointing than P1 starting the split 0-6?
: There was once an all female team called Team Siren. https://www.gameskinny.com/hzi5j/league-of-legends-team-siren-disbands-valuable-lessons-learned Sorta.
> [{quoted}](name=Crewx,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=WiEiJK5i,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-14T03:32:56.958+0000) > > There was once an all female team called Team Siren. > > https://www.gameskinny.com/hzi5j/league-of-legends-team-siren-disbands-valuable-lessons-learned > > Sorta. This article is absolutely excellent, thanks for the share!
: I thought C9 was your favorite team?
> [{quoted}](name=TrollFan01,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=x9pkRuBk,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-09T05:59:07.662+0000) > > I thought C9 was your favorite team? no, that's myst's favorite
: 10 thoughts going into Week 2
Nice to see both of my favorite teams start 2-0 to the split! I'll enjoy this beautiful moment, since it's unlikely it'll ever happen again. #CLGWIN #FOXWIN
: 8-Man (First Two Games) Start after full (2-spots left)
Rioter Comments
PwnLove (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Smart Kitty,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=40H0euth,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-28T22:28:40.434+0000) > > Is that a typo, or is Akaadian really on P1 now? Hey Smart Kitty! Thanks for checking. It was a typo (now fixed) and he's still with FOX.
> [{quoted}](name=PwnLove,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=40H0euth,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-28T23:05:14.581+0000) > > Hey Smart Kitty! Thanks for checking. It was a typo (now fixed) and he's still with FOX. Thank you, had to be sure for my fantasy drafts ya know!
: 2017 Fantasy LCS Mock Draft
Is that a typo, or is Akaadian really on P1 now?
: So you're saying instead of giving TSM a chance to beat G2, FW should have a chance to beat TSM instead. So what if G2 has to play FW again, they are already 2-0 and should beat them anyway. There is no way you can argue for the side of the way things went without saying things could go the exact same way but with the (temporary) 3-4 seeds instead of the 4-5 seeds
> [{quoted}](name=Fuutuuuurree,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uB6ibmg5,comment-id=00000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-15T14:09:25.956+0000) > > So you're saying instead of giving TSM a chance to beat G2, FW should have a chance to beat TSM instead. So what if G2 has to play FW again, they are already 2-0 and should beat them anyway. > > There is no way you can argue for the side of the way things went without saying things could go the exact same way but with the (temporary) 3-4 seeds instead of the 4-5 seeds No I said, have G2 and TSM play for third, should TSM win, they get third, G2 get fourth automatically by having a 2-0 over flash wolves. Should TSM have lost to G2, TSM play FW for 4th place, since Flash Wolves were already out of contention for third.
Pisykan (EUW)
: Kakao.
> [{quoted}](name=Pisykan,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=gVjAp61L,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-15T08:01:15.184+0000) > > Kakao. kakao isn't on misfits anymore?
Pisykan (EUW)
: because it was 1-1 between FW and TSM, it makes perfect sense. G2 2-0 Vs FW TSM: 1-1 Vs Flash wolves. https://esports-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/production/files/rules/2017-MSI-Ruleset.pdf 6.4.3 "Three-way tie: If three or more teams are tied, the head-to-head record of all teams against all other teams involved in the tiebreaker will be considered. If a single team owns a winning record (as defined as winning more than 50% of the games) against all other teams in the tiebreaker, they are automatically granted the highest seed available in the tiebreaker (therefore winning the tiebreaker), and a new tiebreaker is declared amongst the remaining teams (i.e. head-to-head record between the remaining teams). As an example, Team A holds a 2-0 over Team B, Team A has a 1-1 with Team C, and Team C is 1-1 with Team B, Team A will win the tiebreaker with an aggregate of 3-1 over all teams involved in the tiebreaker. If all three teams have an identical record against each other, a single round-robin will be played amongst the three teams. If this does not result in a hierarchical ranking of teams (i.e., distinct 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 team records), then the three teams will be randomly drawn into a singleelimination bracket where one team has a bye into the finals." edit: the picture box/link is a link to the official rulebook for MSI 2017, this is quoted directly form it.
> [{quoted}](name=Pisykan,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Z7Kuwxh8,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2017-05-15T07:38:15.269+0000) > > because it was 1-1 between FW and TSM, it makes perfect sense. > > G2 2-0 Vs FW > TSM: 1-1 Vs Flash wolves. > > > https://esports-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/production/files/rules/2017-MSI-Ruleset.pdf 6.4.3 > "Three-way tie: If three or more teams are tied, the head-to-head record of all teams against all other teams involved in the tiebreaker will be considered. If a single team owns a winning record (as defined as winning more than 50% of the games) against all other teams in the tiebreaker, they are automatically granted the highest seed available in the tiebreaker (therefore winning the tiebreaker), and a new tiebreaker is declared amongst the remaining teams (i.e. head-to-head record between the remaining teams). As an example, Team A holds a 2-0 over Team B, Team A has a 1-1 with Team C, and Team C is 1-1 with Team B, Team A will win the tiebreaker with an aggregate of 3-1 over all teams involved in the tiebreaker. If all three teams have an identical record against each other, a single round-robin will be played amongst the three teams. If this does not result in a hierarchical ranking of teams (i.e., distinct 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 team records), then the three teams will be randomly drawn into a singleelimination bracket where one team has a bye into the finals." > > edit: the picture box/link is a link to the official rulebook for MSI 2017, this is quoted directly form it. But TSM was also 1-1 against G2, why do G2 automatically get bumped to third? Sure they proved they were better than flash wolves, but they were still tied with TSM as was flash wolves, why not have G2 and TSM face each other, then should TSM lose they have to play flash wolves for 4th. Then FW are punished by their 0-2 against G2 and TSM aren't. G2 still benefit from their 2-0 by already qualifying for 3rd or 4th regardless.
GForce9x (NA)
: Just because FW lost 2 games to G2, it shouldn't put affect their standing vs. TSM. It's not a group H2H2H tiebreak. It's on an individual H2H basis. Now if they were all 1v1 against each other, then they should do a mini-round robin and hope they all don't go 1-1 again. But as far as the individual H2H records, there was no need for G2 to play against TSM. G2 was already guaranteed top 4 because if they did play a tiebreaker vs. TSM and lost, they already own the H2H against FW. It would not make sense at that point for G2 to play a tiebreak vs. FW because they already have them beat 2:0. However, TSM and FW were equal both in overall record and H2H so they needed to play against each other. Now if TSM were to win the tiebreak, I could possibly see them playing against G2 to determine 3rd vs 4th seeding (but at that point it sounded like they would use faster avg. time in victories since seeding within the knockout stage isn't as significant as getting into the knockout stage). As much as I wanted TSM to make it and see them get another chance, it doesn't make sense for G2 to potentially be put into a scenario where they would potentially have to play a tiebreak against an opponent they've already beaten twice.
> [{quoted}](name=GForce9x,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uB6ibmg5,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-15T03:54:02.429+0000) > > Just because FW lost 2 games to G2, it shouldn't put affect their standing vs. TSM. It's not a group H2H2H tiebreak. It's on an individual H2H basis. Now if they were all 1v1 against each other, then they should do a mini-round robin and hope they all don't go 1-1 again. > > But as far as the individual H2H records, there was no need for G2 to play against TSM. G2 was already guaranteed top 4 because if they did play a tiebreaker vs. TSM and lost, they already own the H2H against FW. It would not make sense at that point for G2 to play a tiebreak vs. FW because they already have them beat 2:0. > > However, TSM and FW were equal both in overall record and H2H so they needed to play against each other. Now if TSM were to win the tiebreak, I could possibly see them playing against G2 to determine 3rd vs 4th seeding (but at that point it sounded like they would use faster avg. time in victories since seeding within the knockout stage isn't as significant as getting into the knockout stage). > > As much as I wanted TSM to make it and see them get another chance, it doesn't make sense for G2 to potentially be put into a scenario where they would potentially have to play a tiebreak against an opponent they've already beaten twice. Then just have G2 and TSM play for third, TSM wins, they get 3rd, G2 auto get 4th because they have 2-0 against FW. Punish FW more for the 0-2 they have against G2, forcing them into a scenario where they only get a chance to qualify if G2 beat TSM.
GForce9x (NA)
: Deja Vu for TSM
TSM didn't have to play a tiebreaker at worlds...
Erebrøs (NA)
: There is a few junglers in NA who are way better then Sven right now. Dardoch, Reignover, and Rush of course. I would expect one of those 3 to replace him. Also look forward to Doublelift's return as Wildturtle just needs to a break and fix his major problems. TSM is #1 NA but with the weakest bot lane and overaggressive jungler who just feeds. I hope we get some good changes to the roster. I wonder why Sven didn't pull out the Elise once more as that was the ONLY time he did well in jungle.
> [{quoted}](name=Vossler OH,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=gVjAp61L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-15T02:56:30.542+0000) > > There is a few junglers in NA who are way better then Sven right now. Dardoch, Reignover, and Rush of course. I would expect one of those 3 to replace him. Also look forward to Doublelift's return as Wildturtle just needs to a break and fix his major problems. TSM is #1 NA but with the weakest bot lane and overaggressive jungler who just feeds. I hope we get some good changes to the roster. I wonder why Sven didn't pull out the Elise once more as that was the ONLY time he did well in jungle. CLG already got Dardoch, so that's out of the question. Honestly, I'd expect it to be an import, if they even replace sven in the first place, since they'd have an extra import slot. The most probable choice out of those three would be reignover.
: NA lost their #1 seed so ........
I mean it sucks, but it didn't actually screw EU over last year. The only team that really suffered for them was splyce. G2 got drawn into a a group they could get out of, eventhough they underperformed and lost it. H2k actually ended up getting the easiest group out of the western teams. There's still a chance it could be beneficial.
: Yeah you guys can talk all you want but when a Team loses to the weakest team possible, they honestly don't deserve to advance Just like CLG at Worlds
> [{quoted}](name=Kamehaamehaa,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=pZgsp57R,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-15T02:06:15.091+0000) > > Yeah you guys can talk all you want but when a Team loses to the weakest team possible, they honestly don't deserve to advance > > Just like CLG at Worlds So WE didn't deserve to advance either or G2? Rox Tigers or EDG either at worlds either?
: Let's be HONEST here guys, TSM fuck themselves up because they loss to IWC
Everyone except skt lost to them too, if anything losing to G2 today is what cost them. edit: and FW
: because they beat FW twice FW and G2 work together to kick TSM out FW agree that FW - "Yeah we can beat TSM easily, you guys just take the 2 win against us and will take care of TSM OK" G2 - "Nice thanks for the carry" FW - "No problem but will just charge you guys like 10k USD" G2 - "Aite"
> [{quoted}](name=Kamehaamehaa,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Z7Kuwxh8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-15T01:34:08.566+0000) > > because they beat FW twice > > FW and G2 work together to kick TSM out > > FW agree that > > FW - "Yeah we can beat TSM easily, you guys just take the 2 win against us and will take care of TSM OK" > > G2 - "Nice thanks for the carry" > > FW - "No problem but will just charge you guys like 10k USD" > > G2 - "Aite" But they were still 1-1 against TSM, so they we're auto-given third? That doesn't make any sense.
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Sinlaire (NA)
: Didn't C9 win two games in a row at worlds then losing every single game after that and drop out? Might just be me mis-remembering things.
> [{quoted}](name=Sinlaire,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uovHELPG,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-05-14T04:22:16.937+0000) > > Didn't C9 win two games in a row at worlds then losing every single game after that and drop out? Might just be me mis-remembering things. True, but they still had a better performance than TSM even with that score, but they had an easier group to be fair.
: Top 4?
I don't bet on FW unless it's vs SKT. They still have problems closing out games against teams they should be better than. I'm thinking TSM will beat G2 again, despite them getting incredibly lucky the first time. Though G2 have desperation on their side. I think the top four will be: SKT WE GAM TSM
Vloknar (NA)
: Why did North America have to compete during the Play in stage of MSI?
Based on previous world's performances as a region, NA and TW were the weakest, so they had to play the play in stage. Sucks, but hopefully it's another motivation to do better at worlds.
Azca33 (NA)
: SKT's Destruction of GAM is Horrible News for TSM
I think the game against G2 will be the best decider as to where TSM stand.
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