: Love how it’s only a problem when top has to deal with it. Everyone else is just whining.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RwJ29493,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-08T14:50:49.276+0000) > > Love how it’s only a problem when top has to deal with it. Everyone else is just whining. Can you stop coming into every thread about top lane and leaving some irrelevant comment about how you hate toplaners, or adcs have it worse etc. Toplaners can tell when their lane is a mess, nobody cares about the mage adc meta for 3 patches.
Khaa (NA)
: Mordakaiser with Yummi on his Shoulder = Cancer
: or illaoi... or karma... or kennen... or vayne... top lane is chernobyl.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Shotted,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=naHsArw8,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T16:57:53.380+0000) > > or illaoi... or karma... or kennen... or vayne... top lane is chernobyl. Illaoi is one of the only fun and fair champs we get to play against in top lane. Leave her alone.
: I really like how melee champions all have 175 or less base range and noone has 200
inb4 Irelia gets akali'd because boards circlejerk about mobile champs
: [OFF TOPIC] Sony announced the Gaymer system is going on the open market next year...
This is a single customized playstation that was auctioned like 5 years ago: https://kotaku.com/gaystation-is-now-a-real-thing-1612190359 https://www.engadget.com/2014/08/04/gaystation-4-purchased-for-4k/ Lying on the internet is fun.
Xavanic (NA)
: Why is brand allowed to exist in his current state?
He needs the W range nerfed imo. It's way longer range than the majority of supports' poke, making trading with him almost impossible. Let him do a ton of damage, but not at super long ranges.
: just had a teemo buy athenes...
No, that's just stupid because he can't use the passive, and teemo isn't mana hungry. Teemo also shouldn't be building tanky at all, and can get more ap for the same price with other items. If he really wants the magic resist, banshee's veil is more expensive, but does the same thing a lot better.
: We need another Udyr/Jax, apparently.
People are going to take issue with Akali here, a lot of people don't like her. I think champs can be fun/fair without being as complex as her anyway though.For example, Ahri is far from "complex". She's simple, but she's also fair and not a statcheck like Jax. There's opportunity for her to mess up and misplay - giving her meaningful counterplay. Champs can be simple and easily understandable without being brainless statchecks. i.e {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:267}}. Their kits are conceptually simple, but you wouldn't see anyone calling Ezreal no-skill or a statcheck. I'll defend Udyr a bit, although his design isn't great. Udyr's skill expression is that he has to gapclose to you, and more importantly, the **counterplay** is his short range and ability to be kited. Jax though is the absolute definition of a statcheck, he just jumps on you and facerolls. More importantly, he doesn't have good counterplay because his Q allows him to shove his stats in your face whenever. Tryndamere is the same way and both need fundamental changes. People who want more champs like them are mostly bad players who want a crutch. tl;dr: There's good simple, easy to understand: ({{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:267}}) and bad simple, boring statchecks: ({{champion:24}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:75}})
: Riots champ design is incredibly dull now
{{champion:51}} woman with gun and poor fashion sense {{champion:107}} cat that isn't even blue {{champion:58}} {{champion:75}} these two are LITERALLY just bipedal animals. The furries on deviantart would scoff. {{champion:23}} {{champion:86}} guys with swords You can play this game with any champ. I will agree Sylas is boring though. Old Kayle was also just a generic suit of armor, so idk what the deal is there.
: Bots shouldnt have cc
Literally nobody loses to bots unless they're very new players, in which case it's a good learning experience.
: Melee toplaners weigh in: Who's the most tilting ranged champion to face top?
I honestly don't understand how {{champion:85}} gets to be both a lane bully and then teamfight well. I'm so glad he's not picked often, because he's absolute cancer.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: I tihnk i may quite playing toplane honesly. This role suck
Toplane (ESPECIALLY low-elo) sucks because well-designed champs like {{champion:164}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:68}} get shafted while boring statchecks like {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:58}} run rampant. There are super fun champs up there like Irelia and Aatrox, but for the most part it's babysitting a brainless splitpusher (how is {{champion:23}} still in the game) while the adc that got fed rolls the other team.
: worst meta in League of Legends to date?
Tank meta. "Strategy" my ass, ram your head into a brick wall for 20 minutes, while your opponents miss all their "skillshots" (which weren't many) and are useful for existing.
: Nerf Tryndamere
Tryndamere will never be healthy because he's useless in high elo while being a crutch for bad players in low elo. Doesn't teach proper macro, resource management, and is the single most forgiving champ in the game to mistakes, bad engagements, and general poor play. He's also cancer to lane against. Even if you dumpster him, he's spoonfed relevancy by the nature of his kit.
: Top - {{champion:114}} Jungle - {{champion:64}} Mid - {{champion:245}} Adc - {{champion:202}} Support - {{champion:555}} All just so annoying to play against.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5flu7RM,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-06-03T14:19:04.877+0000) > > Top - {{champion:114}} > Jungle - {{champion:64}} > Mid - {{champion:245}} > Adc - {{champion:202}} > Support - {{champion:555}} > > All just so annoying to play against. These are all my favorite champs to lane against except pyke xd
: What champ do you find the most fun to play and why?
{{champion:39}} She's fun like Yasuo because of the mobility, but she actually has to work for it.
: Overwatch won't let my friend and me play comp together after 2 games.
Thank you fellow summoner The Ecdysiast, very cool!
: Most unfun champ to go against?
{{champion:23}} is pure anti-fun. Even with {{champion:157}}, he's at least fun to play. Not so much "unfun" as "extremely obnoxious". Tryndamere is just mind numbing statchecking, and spending the entire game in top lane. {{champion:33}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:141}} strong runner ups (wallwalking is bullshit).
: Yuumi is basically sona 2.0
Idk why people are downvoting, because you're right. Both are terrible in lane and have super weak heals, until they scale super well. Sona can be more independent though and sort of a playmaker once she scales (although she is best in teamfights). Yuumi can't do anything by herself and will always be reliant on her team. They're also very poke-oriented in lane, and can only handle all-ins after 6. The only times I'd pick Yuumi over Sona is when you have an adc who doesn't have to all-in, like Ezreal, Sivir, or Caitlyn. She can also be good with bruisers or people who dive into the fight, where Sona is too squishy to follow.
: what is wrong with 4 kids
Because only 1 gets to play Yasuo, and the other 3 int.
: What are the most annoying champs?
Self-explanatory: {{champion:157}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:90}} Brainless statchecks: {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:57}} Nonstop spam in bot lane: {{champion:63}} {{champion:161}}
: can poppy be fucking nerfed?
No, Poppy is one of the best designed tanks by a WIDE margin. She also has a 2.9% pickrate and 50.2% winrate, with a super low banrate.
CLG ear (NA)
: Where did Kai'Sa's accent come from?
She got the accent from upper-class void residents, like gentlemen chogath.
: if you are winning a game and type "EZ" in chat
You know like 20 of the funniest and most clever people on earth are going to comment "ez" to this post. I only report when they say "ez" after the match ends, it's just a dick move. Some people consider it part of their l33t gamer strategies to say it during the match tho. Cheap but fair enough.
: Are Reworks coming out Fast Enough?
: Can't Wait to Have to Ban Mundo Every Game Next Patch
Surprised people are complaining about Mundo being a statcheck when we have {{champion:24}} running rampant. Not saying mundo isn’t, but toplane has no shortage of statchecks anyway {{champion:23}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:75}} for starters.
: Tryndamere players that got Mastery 7
Well, nothing. I could be in a coma and still place gold with Tryndamere. He has literally every weakness covered up for him: hard to push out of lane, a joke of resource management, can become invulnerable even in CC for some reason, meaning his mispositions and horrible plays can turn into favorable trades for him, especially because his base movement speed is insanely high for some reason, and then a long dash for when people actually come to punish the brainless splitpushing. The reason why he doesn't cut it at high elos is because he has 0 outplay potential, and is the definition of a statcheck.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Toplane feels bad at the moment
Even more fun are the champs who you can roll all game, then they hit their 0/10 powerspike and brainlessly statcheck you out of lane. {{champion:23}} {{champion:24}}
: Nasus shouldn't be opressive as much as he is
People will reply that Nasus isn't really a problem at even medium elos, and they're right, but it still doesn't mean that his design isn't unhealthy and binary. He's an outdated pubstomper that keeps under the radar because he's not good at any important stage. Without reworking him, wither either needs to be a skillshot or less severe, because the gameplay pattern of brainlessly pressing W, walking up to you, and spamming Q is just toxic. It's the same thing with {{champion:23}}, the buffs won't do much, but they still shouldn't be buffing them because they're cancer.
: Kayle rework was the best we saw since warwick
{{champion:39}} (conceptually) {{champion:28}} It's solid though.
: Honestly, I’m starting to think Hashinshin is right about Riot’s top lane balancing philosophy
You're right, but I can tell this is a gateway for people to advocate buffs for {{champion:122}}, which should not happen. Playing against a ranged champ as a melee is less toxic than playing into Darius as a melee.
: late game high skill cap jungler
Best option: {{champion:203}} Good options: {{champion:121}} {{champion:113}} (CC is always useful) {{champion:517}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:141}} (these 3 are medium difficulty) Some people play {{champion:92}} {{champion:78}} as junglers too. Poppy isn't as simple as she seems imo.
: Its hard to remember that there are more than 100 champions in this game
What's worse is that it's the most creative/unique/fun champs that are benchwarming too. {{champion:67}} and {{champion:24}} seriously promote the most boring, statchecky gameplay, compared to something fun like {{champion:136}} {{champion:163}} I won't lie, sometimes they're gutted for the best though ({{champion:74}})
: In your opinion, what are the unhealthiest champs, mechanics, strategies in the game?
{{champion:24}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:33}} Brainless statchecks. Jax needs an ACTUALLY weak early game, like other hyperscalers ({{champion:11}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:38}} are good examples of this) {{champion:9}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:75}} too little skill expression, inherently unhealthy mechanics ({{champion:1}} is borderline). Brand is fine as a midlaner, but shouldn't be touching bot lane. {{champion:67}} just flat-out cancer. {{champion:17}} is LITERALLY just designed to abuse melee toplaners and nothing else. Idk if I would change him, but that's the definition of an unhealthy mechanic.
: New free champion rotation: Camille, LeBlanc, Vayne and more!
Good, I didn't have enough people playing vayne in my games
ZedxMdma (EUNE)
: Most fun champion to play?!
Tier 1: {{champion:39}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:240}} They're the best because their mechanics are skillful and versatile. Tier 2: {{champion:432}} {{champion:78}} Tier 3: {{champion:92}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:114}}
Ifneth (NA)
: Theory-Balance: The Case For Midlane Fighters
People will never not whine when fighters are viable in mid. {{champion:39}} doesn't inherently NOT belong in mid, and she doesn't promote toxic gameplay, etc. But they still nerfed her out of it, despite champs like {{champion:30}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:112}} being viable in multiple roles, mostly because they counterpick the usual champions of that role, and are 20x more toxic. The only exception to this is {{champion:157}}, because Yasuo.
: Which one rework do you personally find to be the best one yet. (In anyway except gameplay)
{{champion:39}} so aesthetic.. the divine sword splash is the single best artwork in this game
: Yasuo and Zed bad >:(
By repeating a popular opinion, I am cleverly mocking it and somehow invalidating it.
: im gonna be the first to say it, nunu and udyr are broken AF
Nunu is getting nerfed next patch... although he's way less of a problem than Udyr imo. Nunu has counterplay where you can juke the snowball... Udyr literally just runs up to you, and stuns you by right-clicking. Absolutely no room to "outplay" him, unless you have some sort of hard CC.
: If there were an Advanced Bots game mode would you play it?
They should just add a junglng bot to Intermediate, instead of having 2 top. It doesn’t seem too complicated, just have him path through the jungle, and occasionally gank lanes.
: How Would You Propose to Make Any Percieved Unfair Champion More Fair
{{champion:75}} wither is a skillshot, so his gameplay his more than press W, walk up to you, and spam Q. {{champion:2}} axe does less damage to targets after the first. {{champion:18}} Q costs mana {{champion:161}} gets actual mana costs {{champion:23}} is unfixable, deleted. {{champion:24}} {{champion:157}} get actually weak early games {{champion:57}} isn't strong but has an insanely unhealthy kit. Change something about the W. {{champion:122}} E hitbox made clear and model-fitting. {{champion:106}} {{champion:9}} objectively outdated and need updates.
: fun top laners
{{champion:39}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:78}} Top is not the lane for skillful or fun matchups in this meta though. {{champion:75}} {{champion:23}}
: Top 10 best top lane champions
Irelia is still good, but Yorick is the best imo (kinda op), and Riven definitely needs to be somewhere on there. I'd put Irelia and Urgot lower, and Darius, Jax, and maybe Renekton higher. Vlad might deserve a spot too.
: Lulu
Polymorph is a projectile, so it can be avoided by Yasuo W, Yi Q, etc. Whimsy (on allies) is instant and unblockable though. There are also some effects that persist through polymorph, like Garen's E or any of the empowered autos. Kayn shouldn't be able to cast ult in polymorph though... I'd watch it again.
: Unfun gameplay concepts
Evelynn has a telegraphed leadup and is very vulnerable until 6, and even then can be countered by pink wards. If you want to complain about junglers killing you out of nowhere complain about something like {{champion:107}} or {{champion:121}}. LeBlanc is complete bullshit though, you're right on that.
: Your least favorite potential lane opponent combination
{{champion:67}} {{champion:63}} They don't have special synergy, they're both just annoying af
: I honestly missed fighting against a Maokai, Riven, Yasuo, Ornn, & etc at Top lane...
And then the times where you do go against somebody who belongs in top it's {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}}
Zayll (NA)
: Are completely oppressive/noninteractive lanes healthy for the game?
{{champion:75}} is the only one of these champs who shouldn't exist, and {{champion:74}} could use some tweaks. {{champion:41}} and {{champion:27}} are more interactive and both have good room to outplay or be outplayed. Gangplank also doesn't have a lot of tools to peel you off, sustain, or poke you down (he has to give up his Q to harass), so he's easy to deny CS to. {{champion:17}} {{champion:43}} both fall off (Teemo in the sense he can't teamfight well). {{champion:82}} has some clear weaknesses and I wouldn't say he's that oppressive. Lane bullies are fine if they have room to mess up and become less useful as team goes on, but champs that are unpunishable and just stat check you are awful.
: Am I the only one that really really really hates SG Urgot?
True. Give us Star Gnardian instead {{champion:150}}
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