: Are Reworks coming out Fast Enough?
Shaco legit existing from the very start and not been visually updated at all, only had a color change and ability icon changes, then he got a trash rework that killed the champion
Saezio (EUNE)
: > > Many changes have been made on Shaco with his Jack In The Box (E ability) with Yo change that shit. And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MF6ssjya,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-21T17:56:40.819+0000) > > Yo change that shit. > > And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation? wdym, in my opinion he needs a legendary skin. reason being is he only has 1 rare skin and no legendarys. he's been without a skin for about 3 years now. a suggestion for that would probably be puppet master Shaco or Ring master Shaco.
: Is YOUR name OFFENSIVE???????
SnackerMore?? I wouldn't say that's offensive, couldn't see anything up there that corresponds to Snacker or More
Rylalei (EUNE)
: They also nerfed a lot of champion: Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige Pantheon got nerfs before his skins Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed.
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4BIbPZhu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-08T13:20:46.186+0000) > > They also nerfed a lot of champion: > > Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins > Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship > Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige > Pantheon got nerfs before his skins > Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master > > And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. > > So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed. but if you look at the pattern, these were all super strong champions at the time of their skin release, of course they would get nerfed the same patch as they got their skins. Shaco on the other hand is pretty weak compared to most champions in the game atm. He's not even meta
Kobune (EUW)
: When will Riot do something about Shaco ?
Hopefully Riot will make a change to him when Shaco gets his new skin, they normally buff champions that get new skins and if they don't do it with Shaco then they are being really stupid and truly do hate Shaco. *Although they probably will do something about Shaco to make players want to get the new skin and play him to rake in the money.*
Saezio (EUNE)
: It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T19:52:22.931+0000) > > It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more? This post is literally AGAINST him being gutted. If anything I think Shaco needs compensation buffs for how many times he's been indirectly nerfed. Jungle nerfs, Tiamat nerfs, Oracle buffs, Ignite nerfs. I want Shaco boxes to live when oracles is active, not die because they hit a button
: All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco?
> [{quoted}](name=VoraciousX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-06T22:13:28.502+0000) > > All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco? that's what im against. I DON'T want this item to beat Shaco so easily I say Pink Ward as in the Ap Shaco player, not a control ward.
: What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right?
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-06T20:08:37.961+0000) > > What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right? no I literally mean Pink Ward, the Ap Shaco player.
Rioter Comments
: Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise.
> [{quoted}](name=NoobLearninGame,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-04T16:15:49.495+0000) > > Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. > > I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. > > Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise. or just reveal and stun the box... and if you don't kill the box within the 10 seconds of oracle being active then the box goes back into stealth. This sounds fait for both Shaco and the enemy because Shaco box should NOT activate and die even if the enemy doesn't kill it, the item is free and available at level 1. like come on.
: Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T03:11:42.200+0000) > > Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. > > I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. > > I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. > > If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. > > I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction. if you have oracle activated and Shaco places a box at you, the fear will happen even if you have oracle on. If you want to avoid this then you'll have to wait 1.5 seconds for his box to arm before continuing the chase/fight.
: when a champion you care about gets reworked
(I am Shaco main.) I'm worried for the Shaco rework in the next year or two. Not because I think he'll be weak, but because I think he'll be too strong and get banned a lot, plus resulting in a lot of nerfs. Things they'll keep for Shaco rework would obviously be his stealth so god help us on what they'll do with it..
: [Concept rework]Fiddlesticks,the cursed one.
I had a hard time understanding what you meant in some of the sentences but I see you've put work into this. I like it!
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: It gives him slow and it is an excecution ability.... i don't see what is wrong with it
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A7erfqq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-12T19:10:03.285+0000) > > It gives him slow and it is an excecution ability.... i don't see what is wrong with it even Rammus with about 2-3 points in his Q does more damage than a maxed Shaco E. Plus the execution damage is maximized when the targets hp is at 0. so the ability is only useful for the slow tbf.
: Shaco's power doesn't come from his numbers, but rather the idea that can pretty much be anywhere on the map at any given time. He could be right next to you and you wouldn't know until its too late.
> [{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98u8QbWa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-01T18:55:59.705+0000) > > Shaco's power doesn't come from his numbers, but rather the idea that can pretty much be anywhere on the map at any given time. He could be right next to you and you wouldn't know until its too late. even then he'd still die because his only powerspike is when he has his Tiamat, zerker greaves, Duskblade and Trinity force, which takes him about 30+mins to get depending if the Shaco player gets lucky with an early game snowball and manages to play safe into the late game.
Infernape (EUW)
: 2 seconds is a long time in League. Especially from something you literally cannot see unless you have a Control Ward or an Oracle Lens.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=15xRPIAU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-01T07:29:49.373+0000) > > 2 seconds is a long time in League. Especially from something you literally cannot see unless you have a Control Ward or an Oracle Lens. lmao "cannot see unless you have **a control ward**" XDDDDDD
Paj (EUW)
: That's great news fun to hear! :)
> [{quoted}](name=Paj,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EE8PoOlp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-02T02:43:17.950+0000) > > That's great news fun to hear! :) I think it's Praetorian Shaco according to leaks...
Xamar (NA)
: Who's your favorite champ you aren't good with?
Teemo, although not hard to learn, im not a master at him but I really do like him.{{champion:17}}
: Thank you Riot For removing the old invisibility mechanic : teemo's rework is a huge deception
Shaco is now a walking dusk and tri force duct taped to him because he has to abuse item passives to deal damage, why? His Q invis is broken so he isn't allowed damage for as long as he has invis.
: You right! Riven giving me so much LP right now. Mhmmm, scrumptious! https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Brain%20Err%C3%B6r%20404
> [{quoted}](name=Brain Errör 404,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T05:40:30.100+0000) > > You right! > > Riven giving me so much LP right now. Mhmmm, scrumptious! > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Brain%20Err%C3%B6r%20404 it's actually strange to see someone playing Riven and having a 25% winrate. How the absolute fuck do you not carry with this champion???
Rock MD (NA)
: Honestly you could have Riven at a 20% pickrate and I'd still think it's almost exclusively mains. That doesn't mean she's not broken. I think she definitely needs some sort of nerf. I just can't imagine anyone else actively wanting to play that champ.
> [{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:43:33.704+0000) > > Honestly you could have Riven at a 20% pickrate and I'd still think it's almost exclusively mains. > > That doesn't mean she's not broken. I think she definitely needs some sort of nerf. I just can't imagine anyone else actively wanting to play that champ. people that want lp? She's literally an artificial rank enhancer
: Nuke this first https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/ Higher play rate and win rate.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:41:25.331+0000) > > Nuke this first > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/ > > Higher play rate and win rate. Jinx has a 1.86% ban rate, so she is not hated/looked down upon by the community as much
: They already said they will be looking into her.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-23T19:17:53.532+0000) > > They already said they will be looking into her. well great, thank you for informing me.{{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: > maintains a 53.72% winrate which is the highest winrate atm Nunu sitting at a nice 54.5% winrate according to League of Graphs with a 6.0 popularity at platinum plus. Then we have Rek'sai at 55% with 6.7% popularity diamond and up. According to OPGG, Rek is now at 56.41% with almost 9% in pickrate yet all I hear is crickets.
> [{quoted}](name=Risk of Fate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:16:52.444+0000) > > Nunu sitting at a nice 54.5% winrate according to League of Graphs with a 6.0 popularity at platinum plus. Then we have Rek'sai at 55% with 6.7% popularity diamond and up. > > According to OPGG, Rek is now at 56.41% with almost 9% in pickrate yet all I hear is crickets. because there's a difference between having a high winrate with being good at a champion without being annoying and not being anywhere near good but having such a high winrate while being annoying at eveyr stage of the game
Rioter Comments
: Because they do not do it to mock each other. Those bans weren't targeted at their support, but at the players in other roles even though they obviously weren't even going to play them. That's mocking and unsportsmanlike.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ARhWoHa,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-02-22T14:21:19.750+0000) > > Because they do not do it to mock each other. Those bans weren't targeted at their support, but at the players in other roles even though they obviously weren't even going to play them. That's mocking and unsportsmanlike. you're missing the point, they banned support champions because the enemy team consisted of 4 low diamond support mains, that weren't even a proper made team. It's no where near sexist/mocking/BM at all.
: you know thats spamming right? i hope an admin will see this already. riot wont even look at a post that get spammed. so plz go and cry about your champ somewhere like L9 clan. ty
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mf4Uc7JI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-22T07:19:22.326+0000) > > you know thats spamming right? i hope an admin will see this already. > > > riot wont even look at a post that get spammed. so plz go and cry about your champ somewhere like L9 clan. ty what's L9 to do with this?
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: as a someone who played a lot of Shaco in s5-s8 shaclone is a biased moron who sends death threats to rioters, and his followers aren't really smart too. chaseshaco is a much better shaco main model
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UZKjboah,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-20T09:36:31.311+0000) > > as a someone who played a lot of Shaco in s5-s8 > > shaclone is a biased moron who sends death threats to rioters, and his followers aren't really smart too. > > chaseshaco is a much better shaco main model he might be a better Shaco main model but I agree with Shaclone about Shaco getting a revert, I really want one. Right now he's just a walking duskblade with other items duct taped to him.
MrKurbanov (EUNE)
: What are the most unique champions in the game?
in my opinion, not a single ADC is unique besides Twitch because of how he plays. Most adc are all about applying auto attack damage and poking from range while Twitch has that assassin gameplay of sneaking around and being and taking out enemies from a safe distance. I would also say Shaco is the most unique champion in the game, not a single champion is like him, **NONE**
: Shacos boxes are bugged
Shaco's boxes are considered not part of Shaco so they don't apply on hit effects. Dark harvest did work on boxes but riot removed it because it was *too strong*.
: Demon Shaco by Thorsten Erdt
We already have leaks that Shaco's new skin will be from the Praetorian series, you know the Graves and Fiddlesticks robot skins, yeah..
: Hhahahahaha no
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KXEM0X8w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T23:24:46.844+0000) > > Hhahahahaha no oh an adc main, who would've known you're the one to make the comment saying no..
: Sad Shaco days
he's a champion with items duct taped to him, there's no such thing as Shaco. literally just a walking duskblade and sack of utility.
: How is Riven balanced?
It's so funny how several Riven mains are in challenger and basically never go down in elo just because of how free Riven is when she gets the slightest lead, even funnier thing is Riot is *considering* nerfs instead of literally saying they *ARE* going to nerf her because every change to her has basically been a buff or a bug fix that benefits her.
: #revertshaco
bUt hE hAs A hIgH wInRaTe aNd hE'd bE So BrOkEn!!!!!!!!!
Rioter Comments
: Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources.
> [{quoted}](name=1Garen4Idiots,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:29:14.999+0000) > > Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. > > Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources. you have mager problems if you lose to Shaco top, especially as Garen. Ever heard of oracles?
: Uhhh? Hes fine at 55% but 50% is underpowered? How delusional is this playerbase lmao
> [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-14T22:30:53.428+0000) > > Uhhh? > > Hes fine at 55% but 50% is underpowered? > > How delusional is this playerbase lmao nobody said he was underpowered. Even tho he actually is underpowered as a champion because of how item reliant he is...
: That list is a day old. We've iterated away from it and are instead giving his Q some base damage and ratios.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RmdKZMZl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-10T07:54:47.110+0000) > > That list is a day old. We've iterated away from it and are instead giving his Q some base damage and ratios. why can't you guys just change Shaco Q to a 0 radius camouflage so it's like old stealth and Shaco is more counterable, make his Q a 3 second duration and remove it's base damage, then make his E magic damage again?
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-12T16:22:31.293+0000) > > soon to come by the looks of it, fleet footwork nerf Source?
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-15T10:37:20.243+0000) > > Source? I don't have the source link but Chase Shaco was talking to a rioter about Fleets winrate on Shaco so they wanted to tone it down. Chase Shaco made ffw get a 58% winrate in challenger apparently by himself.
: No champion should have a 55% win rate, so this is a good thing.
> [{quoted}](name=UlyssesISR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-13T20:43:06.453+0000) > > No champion should have a 55% win rate, so this is a good thing im not complaining about the fact he's dropped to a 50% winrate. It's WHAT dropped him to a 50% winrate.
: shaco boxes cannot proc Dark Harvest anymore
it's because his boxes are apparently not part of Shaco unlike his E or auto attacks, it's considered a different thing like his clones autos
KyraHahah (EUNE)
: Skin ideas?
Trickster God Shaco!!
: Why mobility is such a large factor in Balance. Also why everyone hates Yasuo so much.
Rioter Comments
: Why build AP when AD items are much stronger than AP items?
> [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJbfOBJI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-11T21:15:50.192+0000) > > Why build AP when AD items are much stronger than AP items? because Ap is funner, which Is why some Shaco mains want riot to push the playstyle forward.
: Can we see more classy/dress up skins?
Not bad, only I don't think Udyr would suit it. He's too wild for something classy.
Kalikain (NA)
: Very much needed nerfs.
because anything that is used buy everyone needs a nerf because it shows it's strong, it's the same logic as saying Lucian is a high winrate and high pick rate and high ban rate so why are we nerfing him. see? it doesn't make sense.
: I think fishbones is a repentent darkin, and jinx is still crazy tho
yeah that's a great idea, let Jinx get another epic skin
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: so it would be something like current Shaco but scaling even more? What about no?
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2pF74EQX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-10T11:55:33.780+0000) > > so it would be something like current Shaco but scaling even more? What about no? no, it would be something like Shaco crit being lowered so he doesn't burst as hard out of stealth, and his E having lower base damage so he doesn't build anything like tank and somehow do damage to you. Currently his E is complete trash, it's basically only used for the slow which is why i'd want it to feel like it's more useful when it comes to damage because comparing a Rengar Q to a Shaco E makes Shaco E look like a huge sack of shit.
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