: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FgoYGh1y,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-11-20T16:55:33.301+0000) > > I was spamming "Shaco E" in Shaco mains Discord server because Shaco's E is a joke of an ability. One of the mods muted me and I made fun of this by saying the Shaco community is talking about Shaco E and Riot just puts Shaco mains on mute like Shaco's E is absolutely fine. Do you understand now? I mean his E isnt that bad, it's a good finishing ablity to close a fight i guess
> [{quoted}](name=Season 9 Shaco,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FgoYGh1y,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-06-02T04:54:59.679+0000) > > I mean his E isnt that bad, it's a good finishing ablity to close a fight i guess 100% wrong, the execute is complete dire. the 50% extra damage maxes out when the enemies hp is at 0, it's not capped. Garbage base damage, bad scalings and it's physical damage, since armour is easier to buy than magic resist it makes his E even worse
: The map on summoners is so large that the time sweeping lens has makes it only viable for 3-4 wards. Honestly when playing teemo, shaco, jhin, rengar, etc. on aram I feel so underpowered or even uselesss when I can't use my kit like it was intended to because someone spent 300 gold after they died. I think oracles extract should be removed completely because champions that rely on stealth become unviable on aram as soon as an enemy gets oracles.
> [{quoted}](name=Killua number 1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A0eTyZQ7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T19:18:53.954+0000) > > The map on summoners is so large that the time sweeping lens has makes it only viable for 3-4 wards. Honestly when playing teemo, shaco, jhin, rengar, etc. on aram I feel so underpowered or even uselesss when I can't use my kit like it was intended to because someone spent 300 gold after they died. I think oracles extract should be removed completely because champions that rely on stealth become unviable on aram as soon as an enemy gets oracles. they've changed it now anyway, his boxes are only revealed by everything that used to activate it. for every other champion, it's alright because they're only revealed too.
: Does anyone feel like Twitch is really really strong right now?
Twitch should have that rewarding gameplay though because of how much good positioning and care he has to take into account. As well as literally being guaranteed death when cc'd
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-15T15:36:11.610+0000) > > it should be able to do that because it's a blink. and what can blinks do? go over walls... I mean Shaco ALREADY has a blink+stealth And what do Shaco players complain about? Not the fact he has every tool you could want to make jungling and ganking easier. It's that he doesn't have enough damage come mid-late if you don't get super fed early. Nevermind the fact he's insanely easy to get fed with. But changes like this, that buff his unfair mechanics rather than his strength are only gonna require nerfs to power.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-15T16:59:10.048+0000) > > I mean Shaco ALREADY has a blink+stealth > > And what do Shaco players complain about? Not the fact he has every tool you could want to make jungling and ganking easier. It's that he doesn't have enough damage come mid-late if you don't get super fed early. Nevermind the fact he's insanely easy to get fed with. > > But changes like this, that buff his unfair mechanics rather than his strength are only gonna require nerfs to power. He's not super easy to get fed with though, he has garbage sustain, low health and resistances and box reliant for camp clears, if somebody counter jungled then he'd be useless and far behind meaning he's unable to gank as often. Let me make this part clear again HE ONLY HAS 2 USEFUL ABILITIES FOR JUNGLING, one of them being a passive. Meanwhile other champs like lee sin has a kit that's useful for everything, whether it be killing or jungling.
: > [{quoted}](name=Faceless Shaco,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T23:58:24.641+0000) > > https://youtu.be/MH1Oe5TPzPE > ya yeet Well there you go. OP's wrong. It can hop over walls when it shouldn't even be able to do that, so the range is actually too large.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T00:14:34.914+0000) > > Well there you go. OP's wrong. It can hop over walls when it shouldn't even be able to do that, so the range is actually too large. it should be able to do that because it's a blink. and what can blinks do? go over walls...
zafey (NA)
: what can I do as a support to prevent myself and the ADC from being ganked by shaco?
as support you should ward places where he would normally Q from but this can be a challenge if the Shaco is smart because he has such unique ganking areas, as for what you can actually do? if it really comes down to it just sacrifice yourself if it means your adc gets out alive, they are the carry not the support, a lot of people don't seem to understand that. and no control wards don't reveal Shaco but they do reveal his boxes, also a thing you should watch for is that when Shaco uses his box in stealth you can see him for literally 0.5 second, this can help
Kimimi (EUNE)
: Where's a new Taliyah skin tho?
Shaco legit about 4 years without a skin. eks dee
Cloud273 (NA)
: Shaco players are the most delusional group of people I've ever met
the thing is that the item is free and available at level 1.. and also the box has an arm time of about 1.5, as well as you can see the box before stealth and also kill it very fast, Shaco is also briefly revealed when placing the box meaning you can move away from him accordingly . Another thing is that the fear is only about 0.5/0.75 seconds at rank 1 or something and he maxes it last, so the fear isn't that big and shouldn't affect you too hard until late game. but if you want counter items, try getting a seekers early game for the armor provided by farming and get a Zhonya really if necessary, stopwatch works too. Ninja tabi is also a good option because most of Shaco's damage output is from auto attacks. now for counterplay against his boxes, you can get an oracle, control ward or duskblade, all of these 3 items reveal his boxes and oracle gives a red render of Shaco when stealthed, so you can path around his boxes or just generally away from Shaco when he ganks or attempts to kill you. I hope this helps.
: Nevermind how his Q is a superior flash with the only drawback in comparison being it having a mana cost...
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTTP2NEr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-01T12:46:58.582+0000) > > Nevermind how his Q is a superior flash with the only drawback in comparison being it having a mana cost... but think about this. because of this he doesn't TAKE flash yeah? meaning he's pretty vulnerable early game. and if you lock him down he's the freest kill because he's pretty much just a melee adc that relies on item passives to do damage. I somewhat agree with what you're saying but im also saying that there is arguments against it
: If you are a shaco main, pls read
Pink ward is part of the League Partner program and only got this change after a lot of conversations. we'd have to wait a while before we got another change
Kazekiba (NA)
: Wukong and Teemo are Ribbon counters? Thats why Riot wont nerf her lmao, theyre Teemo mains so they dont think shes an issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jLcUQB5w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T16:42:31.363+0000) > > Wukong and Teemo are Ribbon counters? > Thats why Riot wont nerf her lmao, theyre Teemo mains so they dont think shes an issue. oh wow she has 2 whole counters, so that means that she's completely balanced in every other issue yeah?
Rioter Comments
NY64 (NA)
: Why does Infinity Edge have almost as much AD as Luden's Echo has AP?
: Are Reworks coming out Fast Enough?
Shaco legit existing from the very start and not been visually updated at all, only had a color change and ability icon changes, then he got a trash rework that killed the champion
Saezio (EUNE)
: > > Many changes have been made on Shaco with his Jack In The Box (E ability) with Yo change that shit. And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MF6ssjya,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-21T17:56:40.819+0000) > > Yo change that shit. > > And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation? wdym, in my opinion he needs a legendary skin. reason being is he only has 1 rare skin and no legendarys. he's been without a skin for about 3 years now. a suggestion for that would probably be puppet master Shaco or Ring master Shaco.
: Is YOUR name OFFENSIVE???????
SnackerMore?? I wouldn't say that's offensive, couldn't see anything up there that corresponds to Snacker or More
Rylalei (EUNE)
: They also nerfed a lot of champion: Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige Pantheon got nerfs before his skins Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed.
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4BIbPZhu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-08T13:20:46.186+0000) > > They also nerfed a lot of champion: > > Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins > Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship > Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige > Pantheon got nerfs before his skins > Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master > > And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. > > So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed. but if you look at the pattern, these were all super strong champions at the time of their skin release, of course they would get nerfed the same patch as they got their skins. Shaco on the other hand is pretty weak compared to most champions in the game atm. He's not even meta
Kobune (EUW)
: When will Riot do something about Shaco ?
Hopefully Riot will make a change to him when Shaco gets his new skin, they normally buff champions that get new skins and if they don't do it with Shaco then they are being really stupid and truly do hate Shaco. *Although they probably will do something about Shaco to make players want to get the new skin and play him to rake in the money.*
Saezio (EUNE)
: It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T19:52:22.931+0000) > > It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more? This post is literally AGAINST him being gutted. If anything I think Shaco needs compensation buffs for how many times he's been indirectly nerfed. Jungle nerfs, Tiamat nerfs, Oracle buffs, Ignite nerfs. I want Shaco boxes to live when oracles is active, not die because they hit a button
: All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco?
> [{quoted}](name=VoraciousX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-06T22:13:28.502+0000) > > All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco? that's what im against. I DON'T want this item to beat Shaco so easily I say Pink Ward as in the Ap Shaco player, not a control ward.
: What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right?
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-06T20:08:37.961+0000) > > What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right? no I literally mean Pink Ward, the Ap Shaco player.
Rioter Comments
: Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise.
> [{quoted}](name=NoobLearninGame,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-04T16:15:49.495+0000) > > Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. > > I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. > > Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise. or just reveal and stun the box... and if you don't kill the box within the 10 seconds of oracle being active then the box goes back into stealth. This sounds fait for both Shaco and the enemy because Shaco box should NOT activate and die even if the enemy doesn't kill it, the item is free and available at level 1. like come on.
: Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T03:11:42.200+0000) > > Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. > > I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. > > I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. > > If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. > > I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction. if you have oracle activated and Shaco places a box at you, the fear will happen even if you have oracle on. If you want to avoid this then you'll have to wait 1.5 seconds for his box to arm before continuing the chase/fight.
: when a champion you care about gets reworked
(I am Shaco main.) I'm worried for the Shaco rework in the next year or two. Not because I think he'll be weak, but because I think he'll be too strong and get banned a lot, plus resulting in a lot of nerfs. Things they'll keep for Shaco rework would obviously be his stealth so god help us on what they'll do with it..
: [Concept rework]Fiddlesticks,the cursed one.
I had a hard time understanding what you meant in some of the sentences but I see you've put work into this. I like it!
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: It gives him slow and it is an excecution ability.... i don't see what is wrong with it
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A7erfqq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-12T19:10:03.285+0000) > > It gives him slow and it is an excecution ability.... i don't see what is wrong with it even Rammus with about 2-3 points in his Q does more damage than a maxed Shaco E. Plus the execution damage is maximized when the targets hp is at 0. so the ability is only useful for the slow tbf.
: Shaco's power doesn't come from his numbers, but rather the idea that can pretty much be anywhere on the map at any given time. He could be right next to you and you wouldn't know until its too late.
> [{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98u8QbWa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-01T18:55:59.705+0000) > > Shaco's power doesn't come from his numbers, but rather the idea that can pretty much be anywhere on the map at any given time. He could be right next to you and you wouldn't know until its too late. even then he'd still die because his only powerspike is when he has his Tiamat, zerker greaves, Duskblade and Trinity force, which takes him about 30+mins to get depending if the Shaco player gets lucky with an early game snowball and manages to play safe into the late game.
Infernape (EUW)
: 2 seconds is a long time in League. Especially from something you literally cannot see unless you have a Control Ward or an Oracle Lens.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=15xRPIAU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-01T07:29:49.373+0000) > > 2 seconds is a long time in League. Especially from something you literally cannot see unless you have a Control Ward or an Oracle Lens. lmao "cannot see unless you have **a control ward**" XDDDDDD
Paj (EUW)
: That's great news fun to hear! :)
> [{quoted}](name=Paj,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EE8PoOlp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-02T02:43:17.950+0000) > > That's great news fun to hear! :) I think it's Praetorian Shaco according to leaks...
Xamar (NA)
: Who's your favorite champ you aren't good with?
Teemo, although not hard to learn, im not a master at him but I really do like him.{{champion:17}}
: Thank you Riot For removing the old invisibility mechanic : teemo's rework is a huge deception
Shaco is now a walking dusk and tri force duct taped to him because he has to abuse item passives to deal damage, why? His Q invis is broken so he isn't allowed damage for as long as he has invis.
: You right! Riven giving me so much LP right now. Mhmmm, scrumptious! https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Brain%20Err%C3%B6r%20404
> [{quoted}](name=Brain Errör 404,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T05:40:30.100+0000) > > You right! > > Riven giving me so much LP right now. Mhmmm, scrumptious! > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Brain%20Err%C3%B6r%20404 it's actually strange to see someone playing Riven and having a 25% winrate. How the absolute fuck do you not carry with this champion???
Rock MD (NA)
: Honestly you could have Riven at a 20% pickrate and I'd still think it's almost exclusively mains. That doesn't mean she's not broken. I think she definitely needs some sort of nerf. I just can't imagine anyone else actively wanting to play that champ.
> [{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:43:33.704+0000) > > Honestly you could have Riven at a 20% pickrate and I'd still think it's almost exclusively mains. > > That doesn't mean she's not broken. I think she definitely needs some sort of nerf. I just can't imagine anyone else actively wanting to play that champ. people that want lp? She's literally an artificial rank enhancer
: Nuke this first https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/ Higher play rate and win rate.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:41:25.331+0000) > > Nuke this first > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/ > > Higher play rate and win rate. Jinx has a 1.86% ban rate, so she is not hated/looked down upon by the community as much
: They already said they will be looking into her.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-23T19:17:53.532+0000) > > They already said they will be looking into her. well great, thank you for informing me.{{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Risk of Fate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg8sT9R7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-23T18:16:52.444+0000) > > Nunu sitting at a nice 54.5% winrate according to League of Graphs with a 6.0 popularity at platinum plus. Then we have Rek'sai at 55% with 6.7% popularity diamond and up. > > According to OPGG, Rek is now at 56.41% with almost 9% in pickrate yet all I hear is crickets. because there's a difference between having a high winrate with being good at a champion without being annoying and not being anywhere near good but having such a high winrate while being annoying at eveyr stage of the game
Rioter Comments
: Because they do not do it to mock each other. Those bans weren't targeted at their support, but at the players in other roles even though they obviously weren't even going to play them. That's mocking and unsportsmanlike.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ARhWoHa,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-02-22T14:21:19.750+0000) > > Because they do not do it to mock each other. Those bans weren't targeted at their support, but at the players in other roles even though they obviously weren't even going to play them. That's mocking and unsportsmanlike. you're missing the point, they banned support champions because the enemy team consisted of 4 low diamond support mains, that weren't even a proper made team. It's no where near sexist/mocking/BM at all.
: you know thats spamming right? i hope an admin will see this already. riot wont even look at a post that get spammed. so plz go and cry about your champ somewhere like L9 clan. ty
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mf4Uc7JI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-22T07:19:22.326+0000) > > you know thats spamming right? i hope an admin will see this already. > > > riot wont even look at a post that get spammed. so plz go and cry about your champ somewhere like L9 clan. ty what's L9 to do with this?
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: as a someone who played a lot of Shaco in s5-s8 shaclone is a biased moron who sends death threats to rioters, and his followers aren't really smart too. chaseshaco is a much better shaco main model
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UZKjboah,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-20T09:36:31.311+0000) > > as a someone who played a lot of Shaco in s5-s8 > > shaclone is a biased moron who sends death threats to rioters, and his followers aren't really smart too. > > chaseshaco is a much better shaco main model he might be a better Shaco main model but I agree with Shaclone about Shaco getting a revert, I really want one. Right now he's just a walking duskblade with other items duct taped to him.
MrKurbanov (EUNE)
: What are the most unique champions in the game?
in my opinion, not a single ADC is unique besides Twitch because of how he plays. Most adc are all about applying auto attack damage and poking from range while Twitch has that assassin gameplay of sneaking around and being and taking out enemies from a safe distance. I would also say Shaco is the most unique champion in the game, not a single champion is like him, **NONE**
: Shacos boxes are bugged
Shaco's boxes are considered not part of Shaco so they don't apply on hit effects. Dark harvest did work on boxes but riot removed it because it was *too strong*.
: Demon Shaco by Thorsten Erdt
We already have leaks that Shaco's new skin will be from the Praetorian series, you know the Graves and Fiddlesticks robot skins, yeah..
: Hhahahahaha no
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KXEM0X8w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T23:24:46.844+0000) > > Hhahahahaha no oh an adc main, who would've known you're the one to make the comment saying no..
: Sad Shaco days
he's a champion with items duct taped to him, there's no such thing as Shaco. literally just a walking duskblade and sack of utility.
: How is Riven balanced?
It's so funny how several Riven mains are in challenger and basically never go down in elo just because of how free Riven is when she gets the slightest lead, even funnier thing is Riot is *considering* nerfs instead of literally saying they *ARE* going to nerf her because every change to her has basically been a buff or a bug fix that benefits her.
: #revertshaco
bUt hE hAs A hIgH wInRaTe aNd hE'd bE So BrOkEn!!!!!!!!!
Rioter Comments
: Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources.
> [{quoted}](name=1Garen4Idiots,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:29:14.999+0000) > > Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. > > Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources. you have mager problems if you lose to Shaco top, especially as Garen. Ever heard of oracles?
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