: Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources.
> [{quoted}](name=1Garen4Idiots,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:29:14.999+0000) > > Guess nobody in this threads played v shaco top. > > Fuck him. Legit. Let him rot. 50% is healthy enough heck Yasuos on 51 to 53 % depending on sources. you have mager problems if you lose to Shaco top, especially as Garen. Ever heard of oracles?
: Uhhh? Hes fine at 55% but 50% is underpowered? How delusional is this playerbase lmao
> [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-14T22:30:53.428+0000) > > Uhhh? > > Hes fine at 55% but 50% is underpowered? > > How delusional is this playerbase lmao nobody said he was underpowered. Even tho he actually is underpowered as a champion because of how item reliant he is...
: That list is a day old. We've iterated away from it and are instead giving his Q some base damage and ratios.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RmdKZMZl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-10T07:54:47.110+0000) > > That list is a day old. We've iterated away from it and are instead giving his Q some base damage and ratios. why can't you guys just change Shaco Q to a 0 radius camouflage so it's like old stealth and Shaco is more counterable, make his Q a 3 second duration and remove it's base damage, then make his E magic damage again?
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-12T16:22:31.293+0000) > > soon to come by the looks of it, fleet footwork nerf Source?
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-15T10:37:20.243+0000) > > Source? I don't have the source link but Chase Shaco was talking to a rioter about Fleets winrate on Shaco so they wanted to tone it down. Chase Shaco made ffw get a 58% winrate in challenger apparently by himself.
: No champion should have a 55% win rate, so this is a good thing.
> [{quoted}](name=UlyssesISR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s3FuQQm4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-13T20:43:06.453+0000) > > No champion should have a 55% win rate, so this is a good thing im not complaining about the fact he's dropped to a 50% winrate. It's WHAT dropped him to a 50% winrate.
: shaco boxes cannot proc Dark Harvest anymore
it's because his boxes are apparently not part of Shaco unlike his E or auto attacks, it's considered a different thing like his clones autos
KyraHahah (EUNE)
: Skin ideas?
Trickster God Shaco!!
: Why mobility is such a large factor in Balance. Also why everyone hates Yasuo so much.
Rioter Comments
: Why build AP when AD items are much stronger than AP items?
> [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJbfOBJI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-11T21:15:50.192+0000) > > Why build AP when AD items are much stronger than AP items? because Ap is funner, which Is why some Shaco mains want riot to push the playstyle forward.
: Can we see more classy/dress up skins?
Not bad, only I don't think Udyr would suit it. He's too wild for something classy.
Kalikain (NA)
: Very much needed nerfs.
because anything that is used buy everyone needs a nerf because it shows it's strong, it's the same logic as saying Lucian is a high winrate and high pick rate and high ban rate so why are we nerfing him. see? it doesn't make sense.
: I think fishbones is a repentent darkin, and jinx is still crazy tho
yeah that's a great idea, let Jinx get another epic skin
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: so it would be something like current Shaco but scaling even more? What about no?
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2pF74EQX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-10T11:55:33.780+0000) > > so it would be something like current Shaco but scaling even more? What about no? no, it would be something like Shaco crit being lowered so he doesn't burst as hard out of stealth, and his E having lower base damage so he doesn't build anything like tank and somehow do damage to you. Currently his E is complete trash, it's basically only used for the slow which is why i'd want it to feel like it's more useful when it comes to damage because comparing a Rengar Q to a Shaco E makes Shaco E look like a huge sack of shit.
: Tbh most Shacos are pretty toxic whether or not they're inting.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rgzOa1FF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-09T14:20:02.957+0000) > > Tbh most Shacos are pretty toxic whether or not they're inting. I wonder why. champion is garbage
Rioter Comments
: Shaco Buff ? Dark Harvest Revert ?
I agree with you on this. His winrate has dropped down by 5% since rune, item, jungle nerfs etc. he's at a 50.79% winrate. This is showing that every Shaco main ever was right in saying he was a bad champion and not meta, nobody believed us, now I think they have a reason to. if E even gets switched to magic damage again, i'd be over the moon.
Rioter Comments
: Yes I'm NextGwenXD
> [{quoted}](name=NextGenXD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Q4ZL4f5,comment-id=0001000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-07T02:21:02.117+0000) > > Yes I'm NextGwenXD I'm ScaryScottishClown, hi!!
: riot: ok here is the deal. you still get one shotted by everything but now you can one shot everything too.
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uifWOyRr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-06T00:22:31.725+0000) > > riot: ok here is the deal. you still get one shotted by everything but now you can one shot everything too. I actually agree with that, Ranged champions are basically as strong as assassins but don't have the abilities to fight against assassins, if they did, im sure they would dominate assassins just as hard as they dominated them
Carralar (EUW)
: 🦀 AKALI IS GONE 🦀
Akali mains cry now.... I LOVE IT!
: Adcs have just never experienced a weak time the way other classes have until now
> [{quoted}](name=kingDeDeDarius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jg3IEvL0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-06T13:58:14.750+0000) > > Adcs have just never experienced a weak time the way other classes have until now wdym, they got base stats nerfed, then riot proceeded to buff them and now their items are being reworked again to benefit crit adcs. imo the only time they were weak was when they all got base stats nerfed and their items reworked and one of them being removed, that item being cloak of agility (now brought back into the game)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Q4ZL4f5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-06T07:34:44.068+0000) > > doesn't help neither when his boxes are a 1.5 second arm time lol Thats why you place it in fog of war? Like idk what you mean by saying it takes 1.5 seconds to arm, when my post is asking for the listed items to NOT active and DESTROY them before they do anything, did you even watch the clip? Nice trolling bro. The Jax you faced in your ranked game didn't even pick up ANY of the items I stated above. So why are you saying that it isn't an issue while YOU too play AP Top Lane Shaco? Explain further?
> [{quoted}](name=NextGenXD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Q4ZL4f5,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-06T08:13:15.986+0000) > > Thats why you place it in fog of war? Like idk what you mean by saying it takes 1.5 seconds to arm, when my post is asking for the listed items to NOT active and DESTROY them before they do anything, did you even watch the clip? Nice trolling bro. The Jax you faced in your ranked game didn't even pick up ANY of the items I stated above. So why are you saying that it isn't an issue while YOU too play AP Top Lane Shaco? Explain further? hang on, you're the guy from Shaco mains aren't you??
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Q4ZL4f5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-06T07:34:44.068+0000) > > doesn't help neither when his boxes are a 1.5 second arm time lol Thats why you place it in fog of war? Like idk what you mean by saying it takes 1.5 seconds to arm, when my post is asking for the listed items to NOT active and DESTROY them before they do anything, did you even watch the clip? Nice trolling bro. The Jax you faced in your ranked game didn't even pick up ANY of the items I stated above. So why are you saying that it isn't an issue while YOU too play AP Top Lane Shaco? Explain further?
> [{quoted}](name=NextGenXD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Q4ZL4f5,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-06T08:13:15.986+0000) > > Thats why you place it in fog of war? Like idk what you mean by saying it takes 1.5 seconds to arm, when my post is asking for the listed items to NOT active and DESTROY them before they do anything, did you even watch the clip? Nice trolling bro. The Jax you faced in your ranked game didn't even pick up ANY of the items I stated above. So why are you saying that it isn't an issue while YOU too play AP Top Lane Shaco? Explain further? I'm not against anything you say, if anything I 100% agree with you, boxes shouldn't be so segregated in the interactions with other traps. My point was that I ALSO don't like that his boxes take a whole 1.5 second time to arm before attacking or fearing. Should be shortened to 1 second and the smoke from boxes should be made less noticeable, because it doesn't exactly feel sneaky to place them when you hit W and an orange smoke grenade goes off.
: They are not weak enough, they need to have 375 HP or so, because their power is too much.
> [{quoted}](name=DragonShea,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7KhkiF8d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-06T06:30:37.728+0000) > > They are not weak enough, they need to have 375 HP or so, because their power is too much. if that were the case then they would die to a GP who flash Q, auto attack (with passive) and ignites them.. That's just 1 example
: Invisible traps interactions
doesn't help neither when his boxes are a 1.5 second arm time lol
: quality of games in bronze/silver elo
im in Silver and I do go through afk's and stuff, it does suck because I get punished for *their* actions..
: ARURF just isn't fun right now
Shaco is like a 0.1% chance to get in Urf however, im a Shaco main and I've not even gotten him once in Arurf so far in the past week or two.
Lewanor (NA)
: Udyr, Skarner, Mordekaiser, Shaco, Nunu, Nocturne, Shyvana, Volibear are in queue for rework though. Zilean has a confirmed skin coming.
> [{quoted}](name=Lewanor,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6w2pwgLh,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-04T17:37:47.219+0000) > > Udyr, Skarner, Mordekaiser, Shaco, Nunu, Nocturne, Shyvana, Volibear are in queue for rework though. Zilean has a confirmed skin coming. Shaco won't get reworked for another 3 years LOL
: ARURF needs a simple ban system implemented
I mean, im sure they capped Shaco's boxes at 6 for a reason
: How do youy deal with Shaco as Kha?
I have no clue how you can't beat him, you deal way more damage than him at every stage of the game and should be able to outplay him hard. my recommendations though are Oracles at around 10mins to track him down if he goes invis, you should be able to stay on him. Buy Tabi's if you feel like he's dealing damage to you. Buy red smite, the DoT will cause little flickers of blue on your screen, that's Shaco in invis.. make sure you attack him with the smite though otherwise it won't work. also, Shaco clears faster probably because he gets a Tiamat relatively soon, which is supposed to help farm, so don't blame his boxes, they are basically only used for taking aggro away from Shaco when he farms. He can only gank well at around level 5 because it's when he gets a decent stealth timer and ganking becomes easier, most Shaco's will stay in their jungle to play safe and get to their Tiamat early, so try find where he is and then counter jungle him, if Shaco ganked top side, go to his bot side jungle and take his stuff. I don't know how else to explain that you SHOULD beat Shaco at every stage of the game. also, if you see him at early levels, don't be afraid to fight him because his stats are awful early game, he has low armor, low health, low damage on his abilities, if he places down a box, you can smite it and kill it, therefore proceed to eliminate him.
Sermo (NA)
: Invisibility is Intrinsically Broken.
it is also by definition how a champion should kill people. I would rather stealth gets reverted tho , would make the game funner..
: Nasus does feel pretty terrible to play against I agree, but you can just keep the side waves pushed while grouping mid as 5, he doesn't clear waves very fast and he isn't very good at teamfighting unless insanely fed. He has no hard CC, no meaningful AoE damage unless built full AP, and no way of getting to the backline aside from either flashing on them or running at them. Not to mention a single item negates his W ({{item:3140}}) .
> [{quoted}](name=Raymønd Åmantius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AZ8Jtr6c,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-01T18:06:47.931+0000) > > Nasus does feel pretty terrible to play against I agree, but you can just keep the side waves pushed while grouping mid as 5, he doesn't clear waves very fast and he isn't very good at teamfighting unless insanely fed. He has no hard CC, no meaningful AoE damage unless built full AP, and no way of getting to the backline aside from either flashing on them or running at them. Not to mention a single item negates his W ({{item:3140}}) . wdym, his W is on a 3 second cooldown. sash is useless against him late game, early game it's not so bad
Cowsep (NA)
: As mentioned in the post farming junglers took a hit. Any plans to maybe give something to people that like to sit in the jungle or struggle to gank early? (IE Master Yi)
> [{quoted}](name=Cowsep,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=4J3IrTBu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-01T16:33:25.341+0000) > > As mentioned in the post farming junglers took a hit. > > Any plans to maybe give something to people that like to sit in the jungle or struggle to gank early? (IE Master Yi) Shaco, Rengar, Evelynn too. Basically assassins
: "Ahri has so many skins"
Ahri gets skins in a smaller time period is what people are saying, I think..
BangRos (EUNE)
: Shaco buff
Shaco isn't meta and he's reliant on item passives which is why he take tri force and duskblade to actually deal damage, also why he kills you from just normal auto attacks instead of his abilities such as his E. IMO he needs a change to his Q and THEN you can compensate his E for it. Make his Q a 0 radius camo, make it 3 seconds at all ranks and increase his E ad and maybe ap ratio's, leave his base damage the same so he doesn't build tank.
: But adcs cry about everything just for the sake of complaining right?
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qrpqfOhE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-31T06:27:06.177+0000) > > But adcs cry about everything just for the sake of complaining right? I feel like there's a better way of saying that, like for example, if the adc one shot Rengar, it would be a totally different story right?
: How is hail of blades on him after its buffs?
> [{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hcvJ72ut,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-31T10:23:01.719+0000) > > How is hail of blades on him after its buffs? Hail of blades is really good too
Sukishoo (NA)
: Hmm maybe.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZHpk0E3j,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T16:29:43.928+0000) > > Hmm maybe. Yeah it's Fizz. confirmed.
: Shaco Changes
You make a fair point, it doesn't increase his numbers, lower his cooldowns, lower his mana or anything. Just something to make another one of his many playstyles viable after his rework.
wolf jade (EUNE)
: No you
> [{quoted}](name=wolf jade,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pzlwow6R,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-27T14:00:41.475+0000) > > No you no u*
: Alright folks, this is going to be a big one; Let's talk ALL the current Tier 1 VGU priority champs
I loved reading through this! You seemed to enjoy typing this out and spoke about what the champions could be. I especially liked reading the Shaco part because I agree on it so much, him being a meme champ to annoy enemies it the reason I play him Ap top lane, so my boxes are able to join the fun!
Svinjex (EUW)
: Is there even a way
Shaco doesn't exactly need a straight buff, he needs his stealth changed to a 0 radius camo, and his E given some extra base damage or ratio, then switched back to magic damage.
ceskyfer (EUW)
: I hate you
100% agreed, just played a game of full damage Shaco, my full combo only did 700 damage to the Vayne with no armor. {{champion:35}} Nerf this champ rito
Fízz v2 (EUW)
: they do a lot of damage because damage or cc on every spell is the only way they can be viable when armor pretty much does nothing anymore xd
> [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xo0Wmi9k,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-26T16:14:43.743+0000) > > they do a lot of damage because damage or cc on every spell is the only way they can be viable when armor pretty much does nothing anymore xd fair enough
Rioter Comments
: tell me all the possible builds that arent viable now. i wish to learn more
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mIUnz2wx,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-01-25T16:27:55.487+0000) > > tell me all the possible builds that arent viable now. i wish to learn more Tank Shaco, Ap Shaco, Attack speed Shaco, Crit Shaco, Bruiser Shaco.
Meddler (NA)
: Nothing currently planned no, why do you ask?
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=RgwqT7KP,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2019-01-25T16:33:30.754+0000) > > Nothing currently planned no, why do you ask? Meddler pls make Shaco Q a 0 radius camo and change his E to magic damage {{champion:35}}
: i think both champs need to be slightly toned down
> [{quoted}](name=keccak256,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8z8n0QWQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-25T13:54:18.809+0000) > > i think both champs need to be slightly toned down Riot can't nerf Shaco anymore, the champion has gotten to the point where his kit is soo garbage he's relying on item passive's for damage.
: ShAcO iS WeAk GuYs https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shaco/
> [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mIUnz2wx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-25T00:17:26.147+0000) > > ShAcO iS WeAk GuYs > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shaco/ Nobody is saying he's weak. He's just really boring and depressing to play as. i'd love his Q to be changed to camo and everything else gets buffed. If it meant he did damage on his kit instead of item passive's
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