: For someone who is lvl 44 silver 2 i dont think you ought to be the one giving advice given you dont even play shaco
> [{quoted}](name=Ninja Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=povKKfdf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-21T21:52:53.245+0000) > > For someone who is lvl 44 silver 2 i dont think you ought to be the one giving advice given you dont even play shaco everything they said Is correct though, im 400k mastery point Shaco main and I have made points similar to this.
: Where is Shaco's broken overpowered rework? Every other old champ has got one?
he's getting changes around patch 9.20. how can you not have heard about this yet?
Divin1ty (EUW)
: Remove or change his Q first. No buffs for an unhealthy design.
> [{quoted}](name=Divin1ty,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1AIo92Tg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-12T01:05:31.964+0000) > > Remove or change his Q first. > No buffs for an unhealthy design. I've always wanted his Q to become a 0 detection range camouflage so it works like old stealth giving the enemy more counterplay to his ganks, and in compensation for this buff his other abilities accordingly.
: Here's how to buff Shaco: Don't.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1AIo92Tg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-12T02:10:10.804+0000) > > Here's how to buff Shaco: > > Don't. too bad he's getting buffs very soon XDDD he's going to be an early champion again, his abilities rankups and scalings will be increased and his R will lose the mini boxes but gain more explosion damage. xDDD
: Should I start pvp?
We all start somewhere friend :)
: [GAMEPLAY] Ctrl + Right-Click After Shaco Ult unresponsive
: OP SHACO
Shaco broken champion one shotted me with E when I was Sejuani 800 armor xddd
: Ultimate Shaco Skin?
he recently got a skin and isn't on riots favourite list, like Lux, Jinx or Ezreal so I don't think he'll be getting another skin till another few years and it most likely will NOT be an ultimate skin.
fobbyazn (NA)
: Shaco Ult "Hallucinate"
Shaco's R is getting a revert soon so I don't think this is the time to try and rework it
: Pyjama Guardian Jinx
oh yes pls another Jinx skin {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: When shaco buff so I can play the game again........ just a question rito
https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1155912087777841152 Yesterday this Rioter asked about what we wanted to happen with Shaco and he tweeted later with this. So we will become an early game champion again, get more damage and R will lose the mini boxes.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: shaco nerfs? poggers
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0EzNh42e,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-30T09:31:54.229+0000) > > shaco nerfs? poggers wdym nerfs? lol
: what would be cool is if they added an ability that gives him stealth or something and then feared his target as he comes out of stealth and flashes the screen, therefore not making it a 'proper' jumpscare but still making him scary. the ability may be op but idk.
> [{quoted}](name=legacy dude,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mFWa8Hmw,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-26T09:58:28.882+0000) > > what would be cool is if they added an ability that gives him stealth or something and then feared his target as he comes out of stealth and flashes the screen, therefore not making it a 'proper' jumpscare but still making him scary. the ability may be op but idk. yeah and then gives the enemy a seizure, good idea! They can't add something that flashes your whole screen like that.
Rioter Comments
: The Burf on Shaco in the future
lol why would riot buff Shaco, they couldn't care less about the champion or even something as little as his bugs. As far as the Q recall and tp go, I think it works like this, when bugs get "fixed" they don't come back so I wouldn't be expecting to see them ever again unfortunately
Thilmer (EUW)
: Anybody else excited for Fiddlesticks rework?
I'm mastery 7 Fiddle but I don't play him much but yet i'll be on that lcs level when I play his rework. Not knowing wtf im doing and get a kill, just spamming mastery 7 afterwards. In all serious though I really want his rework to come out with a really likeable freak, who has interesting gameplay which is what it sounds like so far. An "Ambush" character with basic abilities to support his ultimate.
Lapis (OCE)
: I am absolutely not excited for his rework. I have a feeling his new gameplay is going to involve jumpscares and I'm sensitive
> [{quoted}](name=Lapis,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mFWa8Hmw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-25T21:49:11.117+0000) > > I am absolutely not excited for his rework. I have a feeling his new gameplay is going to involve jumpscares and I'm sensitive if they added jumpscares they'd have to add the whole "This game may have jumpscares involved" and the "Riot is not responsible for anything" etc etc
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=YTTKU83T,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-07-18T16:52:31.159+0000) > > winrate shows how balanced a champion is. pepega. Akali on release broken asf but had a 47% winrate but around a 70%-80% ban rate, her pick rate was also around 10%-20% Might wanna keep that pepega for yourself there bud "This champ on release had a below 50% win rate with a bunch of people playing her for the first time" God what a shock that is, new champ not, let alone an assassin, not having a super high win rate on launch Shaco is fine, l2p
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=YTTKU83T,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:03:30.520+0000) > > Might wanna keep that pepega for yourself there bud > > "This champ on release had a below 50% win rate with a bunch of people playing her for the first time" > > God what a shock that is, new champ not, let alone an assassin, not having a super high win rate on launch > > Shaco is fine, l2p even as she made appearances in the LCS and even every game she was still below 47% winrate, this went on for weeks before she even got her W change. Her kit was very strong and was heavily complained about every day on boards. eventually her W got nerfed a little.
: Alright, see you tomorrow Btw shaco is fine
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mpsEbG6b,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-24T15:49:15.112+0000) > > Alright, see you tomorrow > > Btw shaco is fine Shaco is very lack luster compared to many options for assassin junglers. before his few bug fixes he had a total of 29 bugs. **29**. He doesn't really feel rewarding neither when he is ahead. for example a 5/0/0 Shaco with 50cs is the equivalent of a 1/4/0 Rengar with 20 cs. Shaco can have many things and only have them go towards his basic attacks, his E and Q are barely scaling with Ad and 2 of his abilities are useless for ad Shaco, his Jack in the boxes and ultimate. Jack in the box only helps for clearing camps or vision, his ultimate is barely even an ultimate, the explosion range is awful, the damage is awful, the damage is takes is way too noticeable. It's just really sad, when he combos he uses 2 abilities and repeatedly auto attacks with a Tiamat active, meanwhile other assassins like Rengar or Zed or even Kha'zix will use their ENTIRE kit for a nice full damaging combo, Shaco doesn't have that.
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DemonCrow,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=Ww6s3pff,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-24T13:15:17.008+0000) > > Top lane Gnar blame me as support shaco when my adc ashe cannot even cs yet kept getting poke so hard....ashe cannot even cs under tower yet still getting poke so hard. I dont want to blame anyone but it can be fault of support. Sometimes adc need from supp create some room to breath especially against super aggressive enemies (iam not blaming you maybe it was Trashe adc). There is always risk of going weird supp it can work and be fun and it can fail spectacularly and in that scenario you will be blamed and you cannot do anything against that.
> [{quoted}](name=Exin0,realm=EUNE,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=Ww6s3pff,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-24T16:42:22.275+0000) > > I dont want to blame anyone but it can be fault of support. Sometimes adc need from supp create some room to breath especially against super aggressive enemies (iam not blaming you maybe it was Trashe adc). There is always risk of going weird supp it can work and be fun and it can fail spectacularly and in that scenario you will be blamed and you cannot do anything against that. Shaco is a zoning support, if they as a Shaco support done their job right then Ashe should've had 0 problems farming
: Its this time of year again when assassin mains subreddit flock on the board.
No Shaco main wants Q to have a reset or his E to stun. If there's a Shaco main asking for that then they are very deluded. All I want for Shaco is a 3 second flat duration on his Q, E to get a base damage buff and about 27 of his bugs fixed.
: Shaco Bugs - Still Present after Hotfix
there was 29 bugs and only a few were fixed. such a shame
: Well the title is accurate, the rest of your post is irrelevant
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1lAdAk9c,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-20T22:36:30.108+0000) > > Well the title is accurate, the rest of your post is irrelevant ChaseShaco is on the verge of quitting the champion, Yassuo and IWillDominate hate the champion "how sad is my champion". Dom even went as far as to say he thought Shaco was the worst champion in the game. Here's some reasons why I don't think he needs a nerf: 1) He has 29 bugs 2) He does not function like an assassin 3) His stealth is the only annoying thing in his kit 4) His damage output is laughable (assassin btw) 5) His early game is atrocious, very squishy, no damage and cannot 1v1 without ignite. You play soo safe early game. 6) Q duration early game is so short that he can't even get the extra "damage" off. you know that 10 base damage on his Q rank 1 and 50 base damage rank 5. 7) putting points into his Q early game slows down his damage gain because he's wasting points for his stealth which is the only way he can get a decent gank off. 8) Way too item reliant, you only start to deal some damage at around your 3rd item. 9) So many indirect nerfs. I) Oracle buffs. II)Jungle Exp Nerfs. III) Ignite nerfs. IV) 3 Duskblade nerfs. V) Electrocute nerfs VI) Dark harvest rework/nerfs.
: 9.14: Lore Update
still no Shaco lore update. sad.
: Yea shaco mains have a tendency to be incredibly toxic Just stick them all together so the sane don't have to listen to them saying shaco is super unplayable because how horribly weak he is despite the fact he has a good win/play rate in all elos but iron-silver
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=YTTKU83T,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-17T23:02:28.917+0000) > > Yea shaco mains have a tendency to be incredibly toxic > > Just stick them all together so the sane don't have to listen to them saying shaco is super unplayable because how horribly weak he is despite the fact he has a good win/play rate in all elos but iron-silver winrate shows how balanced a champion is. pepega. Akali on release broken asf but had a 47% winrate but around a 70%-80% ban rate, her pick rate was also around 10%-20%
: I've been playing him hybrid lately and it's really made his E and W a bigger factor lategame. It also makes it so that you're not useless in a siege and you don't have to always be splitpushing or going for picks.
> [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nnHrvw0A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-27T15:00:31.826+0000) > > I've been playing him hybrid lately and it's really made his E and W a bigger factor lategame. It also makes it so that you're not useless in a siege and you don't have to always be splitpushing or going for picks. if you think Shaco E is good then you're damaged
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FgoYGh1y,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-11-20T16:55:33.301+0000) > > I was spamming "Shaco E" in Shaco mains Discord server because Shaco's E is a joke of an ability. One of the mods muted me and I made fun of this by saying the Shaco community is talking about Shaco E and Riot just puts Shaco mains on mute like Shaco's E is absolutely fine. Do you understand now? I mean his E isnt that bad, it's a good finishing ablity to close a fight i guess
> [{quoted}](name=Season 9 Shaco,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FgoYGh1y,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-06-02T04:54:59.679+0000) > > I mean his E isnt that bad, it's a good finishing ablity to close a fight i guess 100% wrong, the execute is complete dire. the 50% extra damage maxes out when the enemies hp is at 0, it's not capped. Garbage base damage, bad scalings and it's physical damage, since armour is easier to buy than magic resist it makes his E even worse
: The map on summoners is so large that the time sweeping lens has makes it only viable for 3-4 wards. Honestly when playing teemo, shaco, jhin, rengar, etc. on aram I feel so underpowered or even uselesss when I can't use my kit like it was intended to because someone spent 300 gold after they died. I think oracles extract should be removed completely because champions that rely on stealth become unviable on aram as soon as an enemy gets oracles.
> [{quoted}](name=Killua number 1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A0eTyZQ7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T19:18:53.954+0000) > > The map on summoners is so large that the time sweeping lens has makes it only viable for 3-4 wards. Honestly when playing teemo, shaco, jhin, rengar, etc. on aram I feel so underpowered or even uselesss when I can't use my kit like it was intended to because someone spent 300 gold after they died. I think oracles extract should be removed completely because champions that rely on stealth become unviable on aram as soon as an enemy gets oracles. they've changed it now anyway, his boxes are only revealed by everything that used to activate it. for every other champion, it's alright because they're only revealed too.
: Does anyone feel like Twitch is really really strong right now?
Twitch should have that rewarding gameplay though because of how much good positioning and care he has to take into account. As well as literally being guaranteed death when cc'd
: > [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-15T15:36:11.610+0000) > > it should be able to do that because it's a blink. and what can blinks do? go over walls... I mean Shaco ALREADY has a blink+stealth And what do Shaco players complain about? Not the fact he has every tool you could want to make jungling and ganking easier. It's that he doesn't have enough damage come mid-late if you don't get super fed early. Nevermind the fact he's insanely easy to get fed with. But changes like this, that buff his unfair mechanics rather than his strength are only gonna require nerfs to power.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-15T16:59:10.048+0000) > > I mean Shaco ALREADY has a blink+stealth > > And what do Shaco players complain about? Not the fact he has every tool you could want to make jungling and ganking easier. It's that he doesn't have enough damage come mid-late if you don't get super fed early. Nevermind the fact he's insanely easy to get fed with. > > But changes like this, that buff his unfair mechanics rather than his strength are only gonna require nerfs to power. He's not super easy to get fed with though, he has garbage sustain, low health and resistances and box reliant for camp clears, if somebody counter jungled then he'd be useless and far behind meaning he's unable to gank as often. Let me make this part clear again HE ONLY HAS 2 USEFUL ABILITIES FOR JUNGLING, one of them being a passive. Meanwhile other champs like lee sin has a kit that's useful for everything, whether it be killing or jungling.
: > [{quoted}](name=Faceless Shaco,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T23:58:24.641+0000) > > https://youtu.be/MH1Oe5TPzPE > ya yeet Well there you go. OP's wrong. It can hop over walls when it shouldn't even be able to do that, so the range is actually too large.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUHAzycn,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T00:14:34.914+0000) > > Well there you go. OP's wrong. It can hop over walls when it shouldn't even be able to do that, so the range is actually too large. it should be able to do that because it's a blink. and what can blinks do? go over walls...
zafey (NA)
: what can I do as a support to prevent myself and the ADC from being ganked by shaco?
as support you should ward places where he would normally Q from but this can be a challenge if the Shaco is smart because he has such unique ganking areas, as for what you can actually do? if it really comes down to it just sacrifice yourself if it means your adc gets out alive, they are the carry not the support, a lot of people don't seem to understand that. and no control wards don't reveal Shaco but they do reveal his boxes, also a thing you should watch for is that when Shaco uses his box in stealth you can see him for literally 0.5 second, this can help
Kimimi (EUNE)
: Where's a new Taliyah skin tho?
Shaco legit about 4 years without a skin. eks dee
Cloud273 (NA)
: Shaco players are the most delusional group of people I've ever met
the thing is that the item is free and available at level 1.. and also the box has an arm time of about 1.5, as well as you can see the box before stealth and also kill it very fast, Shaco is also briefly revealed when placing the box meaning you can move away from him accordingly . Another thing is that the fear is only about 0.5/0.75 seconds at rank 1 or something and he maxes it last, so the fear isn't that big and shouldn't affect you too hard until late game. but if you want counter items, try getting a seekers early game for the armor provided by farming and get a Zhonya really if necessary, stopwatch works too. Ninja tabi is also a good option because most of Shaco's damage output is from auto attacks. now for counterplay against his boxes, you can get an oracle, control ward or duskblade, all of these 3 items reveal his boxes and oracle gives a red render of Shaco when stealthed, so you can path around his boxes or just generally away from Shaco when he ganks or attempts to kill you. I hope this helps.
: Nevermind how his Q is a superior flash with the only drawback in comparison being it having a mana cost...
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTTP2NEr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-01T12:46:58.582+0000) > > Nevermind how his Q is a superior flash with the only drawback in comparison being it having a mana cost... but think about this. because of this he doesn't TAKE flash yeah? meaning he's pretty vulnerable early game. and if you lock him down he's the freest kill because he's pretty much just a melee adc that relies on item passives to do damage. I somewhat agree with what you're saying but im also saying that there is arguments against it
: If you are a shaco main, pls read
Pink ward is part of the League Partner program and only got this change after a lot of conversations. we'd have to wait a while before we got another change
Kazekiba (NA)
: Wukong and Teemo are Ribbon counters? Thats why Riot wont nerf her lmao, theyre Teemo mains so they dont think shes an issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jLcUQB5w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T16:42:31.363+0000) > > Wukong and Teemo are Ribbon counters? > Thats why Riot wont nerf her lmao, theyre Teemo mains so they dont think shes an issue. oh wow she has 2 whole counters, so that means that she's completely balanced in every other issue yeah?
Rioter Comments
NY64 (NA)
: Why does Infinity Edge have almost as much AD as Luden's Echo has AP?
: Are Reworks coming out Fast Enough?
Shaco legit existing from the very start and not been visually updated at all, only had a color change and ability icon changes, then he got a trash rework that killed the champion
Saezio (EUNE)
: > > Many changes have been made on Shaco with his Jack In The Box (E ability) with Yo change that shit. And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MF6ssjya,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-21T17:56:40.819+0000) > > Yo change that shit. > > And yeah shaco could use a >975RP skin. WTF riot, does he even have a single recall animation? wdym, in my opinion he needs a legendary skin. reason being is he only has 1 rare skin and no legendarys. he's been without a skin for about 3 years now. a suggestion for that would probably be puppet master Shaco or Ring master Shaco.
: Is YOUR name OFFENSIVE???????
SnackerMore?? I wouldn't say that's offensive, couldn't see anything up there that corresponds to Snacker or More
Rylalei (EUNE)
: They also nerfed a lot of champion: Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige Pantheon got nerfs before his skins Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed.
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4BIbPZhu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-08T13:20:46.186+0000) > > They also nerfed a lot of champion: > > Kai'sa got nerfed when she got both K/DA skins > Ashe got nerfed when she got Championship > Akali got nerfed when she got K/DA and again before she got Prestige > Pantheon got nerfs before his skins > Swain got nerfs before Dragon Master > > And there are others, these are just the ones off the top of my head. > > So no, if a champ needs buffs, they will buff them, if they need nerfs, they will get nerfed. but if you look at the pattern, these were all super strong champions at the time of their skin release, of course they would get nerfed the same patch as they got their skins. Shaco on the other hand is pretty weak compared to most champions in the game atm. He's not even meta
Kobune (EUW)
: When will Riot do something about Shaco ?
Hopefully Riot will make a change to him when Shaco gets his new skin, they normally buff champions that get new skins and if they don't do it with Shaco then they are being really stupid and truly do hate Shaco. *Although they probably will do something about Shaco to make players want to get the new skin and play him to rake in the money.*
Saezio (EUNE)
: It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T19:52:22.931+0000) > > It's already a nerf to shaco that you can buy lens level 1 and you want him to be gutted even more? This post is literally AGAINST him being gutted. If anything I think Shaco needs compensation buffs for how many times he's been indirectly nerfed. Jungle nerfs, Tiamat nerfs, Oracle buffs, Ignite nerfs. I want Shaco boxes to live when oracles is active, not die because they hit a button
: All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco?
> [{quoted}](name=VoraciousX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-06T22:13:28.502+0000) > > All I see is "I want to win vs Shaco simply because I bought a 75g item or a free totem without using them thoughtfully". First, they're reducing the CD. Isn't this already good enough vs Shaco? that's what im against. I DON'T want this item to beat Shaco so easily I say Pink Ward as in the Ap Shaco player, not a control ward.
: What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right?
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhErbEQM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-06T20:08:37.961+0000) > > What's a pink ward got to do with Oracle? You know you can find them without a sweeper right? no I literally mean Pink Ward, the Ap Shaco player.
Rioter Comments
: Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise.
> [{quoted}](name=NoobLearninGame,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-04T16:15:49.495+0000) > > Unless they changed it very recently, revealing boxes activates the traps and you shouldn't get feared as a result. They take 5 seconds to die once activated unless they are destroyed by a champion/tower/minion/jungle camp first. > > I _**wish**_ revealing did something like what you described though. And that's actually a good idea, keep the range normal when not revealed, and lower the activation range of the boxes once they are revealed so melee characters can hit them with auto attacks. > > Seems better than my idea I posted about recently that suggested lowering the range of the boxes at all times so that melee characters could attack them once revealed. My suggestion would have been a bigger nerf to the boxes, yours would be a healthier compromise. or just reveal and stun the box... and if you don't kill the box within the 10 seconds of oracle being active then the box goes back into stealth. This sounds fait for both Shaco and the enemy because Shaco box should NOT activate and die even if the enemy doesn't kill it, the item is free and available at level 1. like come on.
: Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EonEMseJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T03:11:42.200+0000) > > Hm, .. that definitely didn't happen in my last match. > > I got feared as soon as I went to attack it. > > I will grant you that it was an ARAM and I revealed it with Oracle's Elixer, but it should work the same. > > If not, then I would redact that portion of my post, but this should still be done with Oracle's Elixer. > > I have played on SR against Shaco, .. but it's been long enough that I don't remember this interaction. if you have oracle activated and Shaco places a box at you, the fear will happen even if you have oracle on. If you want to avoid this then you'll have to wait 1.5 seconds for his box to arm before continuing the chase/fight.
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