Kei143 (NA)
: Keep in mind we see alot of these posts every day. It's a pretty frequent formula 1) Claim unfair punishment 2) show chatlogs with hate speech 3) Community deemed it case close Your post didn't reflect enough on what you wanted to convey, thus the community replied back with the general formula. This is on you, the writer, to capture your proper audience. If you want a discussion, I encourage you to try again with a different title and re-think your body.
You're right. But this post still served it's purpose. I'm just setting the stage. The show hasn't even begun yet.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnakDatSmilesBak,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vTLQ3xfp,comment-id=00080003,timestamp=2017-11-21T03:59:53.001+0000) > > So in two weeks when I'm unbanned, I will do this again. I will go into an ARAM, wait for my teammates to get a bunch of gold, then I will tell them to kill themselves. It's not a threat to you, and I don't want anyone to commit suicide. Killing yourself is a valid tactic in ARAM, and I will encourage my teammates to use it. It's funny because you know taht will only lead your account to be permabanned, and yet you will come back around to complain about it.
If you think this is complaining you're mistaken. I decided a long time ago that complaining isn't my thing. Yeah I know I'll probably get banned again. That doesn't bother me though. It's just a game, but the IFS is not a game. Riot has been far too dense with their behavior policies in the past. It is only now after several years that we see progressive changes like honor. However there are still several things riot is doing wrong. I think it's worth losing my account to bring them to the light.
Kei143 (NA)
: If that was your goal, the title and the body of your post certainly does not reflect that. Try again with a different title and a different body more suited towards you goal and you might get better results.
I guess you're right. All I said is that I think it's an unfair ban. Logically that should get people thinking about what's fair and what isn't, but most of boards is dead set on proving OP wrong. It's rare to get a discussion by asking for one but I think I will try after a couple days. Edit: but i will still focus on the same thing, breaking this rule
: ...It helps because having people stand alongside you makes things feel less hopeless. Having someone say "that's not how you should treat others" when you're bullied might make you believe you don't deserve it. "If your feelings are hurt, maybe you should stop having them" is a terrible message to spread. When somebody punches you, you choose to punch them back or not. You don't get to choose for it not to hurt. You only choose your reaction. Why would it be any different for emotions? Oh, and as for your comment about suicide rates: maybe it's because technology has changed, not people. Maybe that message of thick skin has always been wrong and previous mitigating factors have been removed. Maybe people have always been weak enough to let words affect them, but the unifying power of technology has allowed those words to surround people with more force than ever before.
Suicide rates rising is a combination of factors. Technology is one. Ease of access is another. The glorification in media is another. There's so much more as well.
: You have a teammate who said that & you ignored him and continued your attitude, so technically, still the truth. Additionally, you told your teammates to kys just for the fun of it, nothing to do with "strats" at all. You don't have to argue a lot when Riot Tantram has all the logs & evidence he needs at his side, so why the heck would you think anyone in here chooses to believe what you say? Unless you have screenshots of the match, your arguments are nothing but pitiful spats.
Ok, please try to listen with an open mind. Tantrum lied. First of all, my attitude doesn't ever change just because someone asks. Second, Tantrum said teammates. That's plural, only one teammate took offense. Third, I didn't tell them to kill themselves again after pantheon, the one teammate who took offense verbally, called me toxic. Forth, it was late in an ARAM and my teammates were low on hp. Dying on the opposite side of the map was the optimal play. Winning is fun, so yes I told them KYS, for fun. Tantrum has all the evidence. Yet he provides none of it here. I've shown my chat logs. I've done what I can. If boards wants to condemn me without evidence, so be it. Now comes the important part, I hope your mind is still open. This may be difficult to follow, others here have had trouble. The ban is unfair because I was not being toxic. I used a word, "KYS," to convey a tactic. The ban it's deserved because i knew KYS is zero tolerance. I'm serving the ban, I'm just also pointing out that it's not fair to ban someone if they're not being toxic. In time riot will publicly admit their player behavior policies are flawed. I'm just doing it for them. Sorry for the long post but I'm not a good enough writer to make it short. You cared enough to continue the convo so you deserve an honest response.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: The rules clearly do allow for leniency given that recently somebody was unbanned for **actually** trying to give tactical advice by saying "kys". So, either when you say that this ban was "unfair" you are talking about a different situation than that, or you are saying that you did not deserve the ban. There is no middle ground here, so which is it: Do you claim you were trying to give tactical advice, or did you deserve your ban?
Try to keep an open mind here, please. I've listened to you, and I feel you are wrong. Let me explain. When i say that this ban is unfair, I mean that it is unfair because my tactical advice was mistaken for toxicity. It is unfair because I was not being toxic. I do deserve the ban for giving tactical advice in the form of "KYS." I deserve the ban because "KYS" is a zero tolerance word and I knew this. Should I clarify further? I don't think it's fair if someone is punished for breaking unfair rules. I do think that someone deserves a punishment if they knowingly break rules. I don't think unfair and deserved are mutually exclusive. But at the end of the day that's just semantics, right? I don't want to be unbanned. I want to serve my ban sentence, i have a responsibility to do that. I'm just doing so while pointing out that it's unfair to be banned without toxicity.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: If you weren't trying to piss anyone off: - You would not have had to expect to be reported and thus banned for this game - You would have used a less ambiguous term knowing that this one might be misinterpreted as offensive - You would not have waited until somebody told you to stop before you explained what you meant Let's not even get started on how you **didn't** try to give tactical advice, given that you admitted yourself that you were trying to get banned to highlight the issue. You were using the phrase precisely to get banned and nothing else. And stop trying to play the semantics game "I never said I wanted to be unbanned, just that it's unfair" "I never said it's a false positive, just that it's unfair" etc. etc. Every point you make is subject to change the moment somebody tries to use it against you. Make up your mind on what you wanted to do and state that rather than playing games. Because so far, there's absolutely no difference between your posts and that of a troll.
I'm really not trying to raise tempers. Also if I was trolling all of you, there are much easier ways. And besides trolling on the internet lacks that kick. All I'm doing is getting banned without being toxic. And posting about how I think that's unfair. I'm accepting the punishment that goes with it. Now, exactly how am I trolling or hurting anyone? I'm peacefully breaking rules I don't agree with, and telling people that. What EXACTLY is the problem that I'm causing?
: Of course! Do try to keep a positive outlook and understand people's point of view. As for your response, I believe there are other ways rather than risking your account. Not that I personally know of, and I see your intent here. You have to remember around 27 million people play League of Legends though. One account being banned to make a difference in trying to improve their system is hardly a drop of fresh water in the ocean. I think there has to be a better way of doing so rather than encouraging players to report you for breaking the rules. I honestly wouldn't see the difference from Riot's point of view. I think you'd only end up losing time as you create accounts just to have Riot see that you're trying to improve something. Maybe review their system coding, and go from there.
Agreed, but im trash at coding. I'll lose the account, I'll lose a bit of time. Riot will come around eventually, and LOL will be better when they do. If I lose the account and 100 people see this post, i consider that worthy. And of course I'll post suggestions and highlight flaws in more typical ways as well. But what better way to grab attention than to be a problem?
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: If you weren't trying to piss anyone off: - You would not have had to expect to be reported and thus banned for this game - You would have used a less ambiguous term knowing that this one might be misinterpreted as offensive - You would not have waited until somebody told you to stop before you explained what you meant Let's not even get started on how you **didn't** try to give tactical advice, given that you admitted yourself that you were trying to get banned to highlight the issue. You were using the phrase precisely to get banned and nothing else. And stop trying to play the semantics game "I never said I wanted to be unbanned, just that it's unfair" "I never said it's a false positive, just that it's unfair" etc. etc. Every point you make is subject to change the moment somebody tries to use it against you. Make up your mind on what you wanted to do and state that rather than playing games. Because so far, there's absolutely no difference between your posts and that of a troll.
I used this one term PRECISELY because it is tactical advice that can be misinterpreted as toxicity to highlight flaws in the IFS. Jesus, I was actually giving tactical advice and one person on my team thought I was being toxic. After that I explained I was not being toxic. After that i still got banned. The reason I got banned is RIOT's censorship policies combined with a flawed IFS. I was not toxic. I was banned for being toxic. Hence the ban is unfair. I broke the rules. I got banned for breaking rules. I deserve the ban. Is this really too hard to follow?
: >He lied... we're done here! ban deserved. deal with it!
Lol he actually did literally lie. Am I the only one who thinks that's hilarious?? And who says I didn't deserve the ban or that I'm not dealing with it? I'm not complaining at all, I'm just pointing out that it's unfair to ban someone if they're not being toxic. Telling someone to kill themselves in ARAM isn't toxic, it's a valid tactic. I do it in like every ARAM I play.
: Yes, but if the rule of thumb is "don't be an ass", you failed.
I mean, I guess. I guess calling someone a braniac sarcastically is meam.
: >I think it's well deserved. I do not think it's fair, "i believe frogs need water to survive. i don't think frogs are amphibians" stop just... stop with the mental gymnastics!
I deserved the ban for breaking the rules. But the rules aren't fair. Hence the ban is unfair. I was not toxic, I was telling teammates to kill themselves in ARAM. Also mental gymnastics are so much fun why would I ever stop
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vTLQ3xfp,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-11-21T01:29:27.827+0000) > > You were knowingly using kys. You knew what the result would be. Your teammates also asked you to stop saying it, and you didn't. It was a game to you. > > Seems like a fair ban to me. seems like you were
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: If you wanted to "highlight problems" you clearly were trying to get reported. You were being intentionally provocative so you can pretend (yes, pretend) that this was a false positive. That's the context: You were trying to piss people off with what you said. You succeeded. Doesn't sound like a false positive to me.
I really wasn't trying to piss anyone off. I was just telling my teammates to kill themselves, in a game mode where killing yourself is good. Now if riot wants to ban for that they will. Also, I never said it's a false positive, just that it's unfair. Unfair because I was not being toxic, unless you count "braniac."
Xidphel (NA)
: People told you to stop in your ARAM game according to Tantram. You didn't.
: "unfairly banned"
That doesn't mean I want it over turned.... Just that I think it's not fair to ban someone if they're not being toxic. I mean, unless calling someone a braniac is too toxic.
ihateunoobs (EUNE)
: then why use it? i mean i got banned for much less than that i mean i got banned for a kill the bitch 2 weeks and i said as a joke at a hour when no minor should be playing and i still got banned i think your ban is well deserved
I agree, I think it's well deserved. I do not think it's fair, I was not being toxic. I did it to show, once again, the IFS has issues.
: >As for KYS, I 100% meant it. I wanted my team to go suicide to their tower so that we could all be alive for the next fight in our ARAM. **This is a valid tactic.** and this is a valid ban {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
No doubt. But it is not fair. I was not being toxic.
Barkley (NA)
: I agree with your motive, but not your methods. Martyring yourself to try to "show riot who's boss" isn't going to solve anything. As you can see from Temper Tantrum's response, they don't care. I doubt anyone at riot would disagree with the fact that using an automated system to monitor chat as the ONLY means to monitor player behavior is asinine, but put yourself in their shoes. They have literally millions of players who put millions of hours of game play into this game every single day from around the entire world. What other option do they have? Do you have any idea how much money it would take to employ people to watch people's games? And in this day and age? People would go bonkers about "Privacy breach" and all kinds of other dumb ass liberal snowflake bs. So they're really damned if they do and damned if they don't. Honestly, it probably wouldn't matter what policy they used or how they chose to enforce it, there's always going to be angsty kiddos out there who want to test the system and say its broken because they don't like it. The bottom line is, the only person you're hurting is yourself, and if you enjoy playing this game - you should probably just stop. You're not proving anything. You're not a rebel. You're not a revolutionary. You're just a dumb kid who thinks he's somebody who's beating the system when - QUITE CLEARLY - you're not. You're not exposing anyone to anything they don't already know. Its not as if before you did this people were like "Oh this system is wonderful, I wish every game had this system." We know its broken. We also know riot doesn't care that its broken, so we play around it - which isn't hard. Its quite simple really... just... Don't be a dick. I've taken my lickin's just like anyone else on the Player Behavior threads - why else would we be here? And you know what? Just about every case, minus a recent one, was absolutely justified. If you couldn't tell by reading this, I'm an asshole. Nobody cares man. Just play the game.
I don't see anyone here as boss, definitely not myself. I'm a concerned customer. People obviously care about player behavior. All I'm doing is forcing people to look at the problems. I'm not saying they're new or that nobody knew. I'm saying, "look." And everyone here looked. That's the point and it worked. I don't care about what people think of me, or my account, I care about the IFS. If losing my account means better progress or awareness it's a worthy trade to me.
: Intentions or not kid. Don't say it and problems wouldn't persist, you're just causing problems cause you're to ignorant to realize how dumb saying "kys" is in any context. DON'T USE IT. ZERO PROBLEMS. Simple for normal people to understand but ass hats like you don't
If you're gonna preach morals you should avoid calling people ass hats
: @Riot: How to Reduce Trolling and Hostility in Champion Select
Bonus xp for giving up your role would make it less feelsbadman. Autofill protection would do the same. I like it. I don't think it changes very much, but it's a decent QOL change.
: It's possible that the folks here on the forums have the knowledge you are looking for, even if not private. What's the topic of the discussion you're looking for?
It's about some pictures taken in Vienna '94.
: You were knowingly using kys. You knew what the result would be. Your teammates also asked you to stop saying it, and you didn't. It was a game to you. Seems like a fair ban to me.
Hello Tantrum. Don't you find it funny your name is Tantrum and you often squash people's tantrums? I do. I have a weird sense of humor, you see. I find it hilarious that you're LYING and thought I wouldn't call you out. Only one teammate said anything about it, the pantheon. I did stop telling teammates to kill themselves after this, using the phrase again only to clarify my intentions. Come on man, do you really need to stoop so low? What are you even lying for? Either you're salty, or you want to cover up problems in your policies. How long are you going to ignore problems? (I'm assuming you're not salty enough to make this personal) I'll be real I couldn't care less about the ban, but this zero tolerance thing is undeniably stupid and I hope this case helps show it. Or maybe you'll listen to the guy "baiting bans"? You do your thing, and I'll do mine. So in two weeks when I'm unbanned, I will do this again. I will go into an ARAM, wait for my teammates to get a bunch of gold, then I will tell them to kill themselves. It's not a threat to you, and I don't want anyone to commit suicide. Killing yourself is a valid tactic in ARAM, and I will encourage my teammates to use it.
: I already filled my posting quota for the day, it takes a lot of time to write up a solid post and I've got to manage a server and deal with some other things still. If I get some free time tonight or tomorrow I'll make a proper post about it and reply here again to give you a notification it was done and a link to find it if you like.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnakDatSmilesBak,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vTLQ3xfp,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T00:07:20.321+0000) > > I mean, I'd love to not be banned but the IFS issues are more important to me than my account. Putting my account at risk seems to be the best way to make riot take me seriously. If you got a better idea im all ears. > > Even if that guy is lying, the IFS still needs work. Yet RIOT refuses to acknowledge its flaws. Once they acknowledge it's flaws and create a plan to improve it, I'll stop. I dunno man, it seems like a 'pick your battles' kind of thing. Yeah the IFS needs some kind of work, but I'm pretty sure you're going to lose your account before that happens. Throwing your account away seems kind of silly to me. Personally, I think it would be better to come up with the best improvement ideas you can think of and try to gain some traction with them here on the boards. I can't remember, have you and I discussed my idea to separate different punishable behaviors into punishment ladders instead of using a single ladder of escalating punishments?
Honestly I'm 99% sure I'll lose my account for this. That's what gives it traction. Before riot listens to fixes they have to admit failures. I think improvement ideas will have even less impact than what I'm doing right now. However, I was planning on doing both in parallel so I'd be glad to hear your ideas! If you wouldn't mind, I think you should make a post and we can discuss it there without being bogged down here. Though you could just reply here too.
Jo0o (NA)
: Being deliberately vague and giving evasive answers to folks responding with real information for you is being an asshole.
Wait what lol. If you're talking about my response to DTN, then you had best apologize since I was neither vague nor evasive. I simply stated I was not asking to get my ban repealed. Chermog was talking about a second chance. I did not ask for a second chance. It was DTN and Chermog who were being presumptuous. But I'm not here to argue forum ethics....
: I absolutely understand your side here, and I agree with the fact that you weren't intentionally being toxic, or toxic in general. That I won't argue with. You had no ill intent in what you said. That's already proven. With that said. Now let's discuss the system itself and out of context thing. The whole thing "out of context", that's just how texts are. No matter the intent. it more often to be taken out of content, but when there is a zero-tolerance word or phrase that is stated a numerous of times, by the community and Riot, people shouldn't say it at all. Regardless of the intent. I like the automatic ban system. It catches more toxic players rather than the "innocent" players who use the zero-tolerance. The rare players that claimed that they're innocent rarely post here, more often we see the actual toxic players post that the system is crap due to they're no longer "invincible" on the internet says those phrases quite often. But let's say if the automatic system does get removed or tweaked. I honestly believe, and Riot as well, think the system wouldn't catch as many ill intents players. I think it's much easier for the well intent players to submit a ticket to their innocence rather than changing the system itself. Because I find Riot Support to be the most reasonable people to work with. I hope I am on the page with you here. PS: Also the phrase "kys" are more often meant for the ill reasons rather than well intent. So that means I would find more of the ill intent players to use that phrase rather the well intent. There are plenty of other phrases to use rather than "kys" that can't be taken out context.
You're the first person to post here with an open mind, thank you for your courage and ability to keep an open mind. I agree with what you said. My goal isn't to allow people to say "KYS". It's to help riot improve their IFS. I'm doing that by pointing out a glaring lack of context, and putting my account at risk in the process. Eventually riot must acknowledge the flaws of the IFS and eventually it will improve. The faster they admit it's flawed the faster it improves. The more I risk, the faster they admit it's flaws. It's possible that by trying to improve the system they may make it worse, but it's the effort that matters. If the effort is there the IFS will improve eventually. My end goal is to help create an environment free of toxicity AND censorship. To create a community that is nice on its own. Maybe it's a naive goal but it feels worth the risk. It won't be easy to improve the IFS but it will be worth it. I did not submit a ticket because I am not innocent. I did break the rules, I will do so again when I can play again.
: Hmm okay then. It seems pointless to me to risk your account for that, since there are already examples of the system failing to take context into account, but if you really want to I guess nobody can stop you. You are free to say what you want, just as Riot is free to ban you for it like they did. Keep in mind that the guy who claimed to be bait-banning lots was actually just lying for attention.
I mean, I'd love to not be banned but the IFS issues are more important to me than my account. Putting my account at risk seems to be the best way to make riot take me seriously. If you got a better idea im all ears. Even if that guy is lying, the IFS still needs work. Yet RIOT refuses to acknowledge its flaws. Once they acknowledge it's flaws and create a plan to improve it, I'll stop.
: hell they don't go that far. they can't..
: I'm a bit shocked by this honestly. Seen you around the boards before and you had seemed reasonable and enjoyable to interact with. Didn't you see the boards post where this happened a while ago? Riot Tantram lifted the player's ban but also warned them to find a different way to communicate that strategy. You don't need to say "kys" to communicate that strategy, and you apparently knew you were toeing the line... Why not just say, "suicide to tower" or "kill your character" or even "die to reset" instead?
Well here's why. If I say those things, then it wouldn't highlight a problem in LOL's automated ban system i.e. it lacks context. There was that other guy that said he baited thousands of bans to highlight problems. I'm not one to bait, I'm more direct. And lol I'm glad you thought I was reasonable, but i'm pretty much the most stubborn person I know.
Jo0o (NA)
: Perhaps you'd be so kind, esteemed sir, as to educate us as to the precise nature of your intentions for this thread. We clearly are not capable of deducing your wisdom unaided.
And cut the sarcasm, it makes you seem like an asshole.
: In my honest opinion, I would only find it unfair if you knew nothing about it, or new to the game with no history of toxicity. But this isn't really the case. You knowingly said what you said and got punished, which a lot of people are getting banned for. And you expected to be banned, just as you said. I say this respectfully, I don't think "unfair" really fit your case here. Also, there are far better ways of saying it, but that was already mentioned by someone else here.
Ok I hear you and what you are saying makes some sense. Continue to keep an open mind here. Nobody has any indisputable proof that I was being toxic, that is why I think it's unfair. And frankly, I wasn't being toxic. Killing yourself is a legitimate tactic in ARAM, I'm sure you understand this. There need to be changes to the automated system, context has to be taken into consideration. It's an unfair ban because my words were taken out of context, and only then does it look like toxicity. I agree it could've been said in a different way. But KYS is a common abbreviation that i can type quickly. Why should using it maliciously be the norm? Why am I not allowed to say it in a positive way? I couldn't care less about my ban, it's the automated ban system I care about. It interests me.
Xidphel (NA)
: >SnakDatSmilesBak: all of u kys >SnakDatSmilesBak: kys all of u >SnakDatSmilesBak: kys = kill youreself Seems pretty fair.
Conveniently ignore the part where I clarify my intentions.
Xidphel (NA)
: Good. A+. That was neither an unjust law or civil action. You encouraged suicide.
No, I told my teammates to kill themselves in an ARAM. I would never encourage suicide. What is unjust to one, may not be unjust to all. I was civil, the extent of my toxicity is calling someone a braniac.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnakDatSmilesBak,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vTLQ3xfp,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-20T21:32:17.297+0000) > > Wait why did you quote this? Does saying "I think I was unfairly banned" equal asking for a repeal in your eyes? I mean, why post to the boards that you were unfairly banned if you're not seeking to get it overturned? as for "civil disobedience" no not really. "the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques" you're not contesting a rule that riot made, you're simply breaking it with the intent of changing it
To spark discussion about flaws in the ban system. Calmly breaking a rule with the intent of changing it IS civil disobedience.
Jo0o (NA)
: Perhaps you'd be so kind, esteemed sir, as to educate us as to the precise nature of your intentions for this thread. We clearly are not capable of deducing your wisdom unaided.
To spark discussion about flaws in the banning systems.
: People seriously need to stop testing the Zero-Tolerance policy. No one is invulnerable to the system. Riot even said, don't ever say those words. No matter the situation and no matter the intent. Of course, it's going to trigger the ban. I don't know how people don't expect the ban. It's honestly not an unfair ban if you knew that saying "kys" is bannable. Because simply, regardless of your intent, it's not allowed. **But you already knew that and decided to do it anyway.**So what did you expect honestly? A free pass?
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vTLQ3xfp,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-20T22:02:44.207+0000) > > People seriously need to stop testing the Zero-Tolerance policy. > No one is invulnerable to the system. Riot even said, don't ever say those words. No matter the situation and no matter the intent. > Of course, it's going to trigger the ban. I don't know how people don't expect the ban. It's honestly not an unfair ban if you knew that saying "kys" is bannable. Because simply, regardless of your intent, it's not allowed. But you already knew that. So what did you expect honestly? A free pass? Thanks for the response. First of all, I was not testing the system. Second, knowledge of consequences doesn't necessarily make the consequences fair. Third, I expected to be banned.
: > Hello boards and Riot, I think I was unfairly banned
Wait why did you quote this? Does saying "I think I was unfairly banned" equal asking for a repeal in your eyes?
: {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
It's better than baiting people and making them take the hit to show problems in the system.
ihateunoobs (EUNE)
: kys or kill yourself is an autoban trigger
: "civil disobedience" do you even know what that means
It means disobeying unjust laws in a civil manner. Thank you for your indispensable input!
Chermorg (NA)
: I have seen people get second chances when they are unaware that "kys" is taken so seriously. Those second chances come with a stern warning not to do it again. Considering you admit to knowing that "kys" is not to be used in League, I do not see it likely that this is overturned. You could have chosen other words that would not have such a negative connotation and/or look like you are telling people to kill themselves in real life - such as "die at turret to back pls" or "pls die so u can buy".
I didn't ask for the ban to be over turned.
: If you make an intentional effort to trigger a ban, don't be surprised if Riot won't lift it (assuming this isn't falsified).
I didn't ask for it to be lifted. edit: Also I didn't make an intentional effort to trigger a ban. I was telling my team to kill themselves. That's not trying to get banned, that's trying to win!
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AR URF (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3e2bhJvU,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-11-19T23:05:04.424+0000) > > Its just irritating how if you forget this for **0.5 seconds **and type "kys" in an aram game (turret suicide) you'll most likely be banned. that's why you just say "go execute"
That didn't make it any less absurd
: I gotta ask, why does he have udders?
> [{quoted}](name=GlobDaBlob,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BzXk1NUH,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-11-16T20:30:41.303+0000) > > I gotta ask, why does he have udders? That's not udders it's the hair on his balls.
: It does apply the shield to allies. I do not believe it applies to yourself.
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Onandaga (NA)
: I can never understand this communities's desire to immediately kill anything that deviates for the norm in way that seems "cheesy", regardless if it is actually OP or not. I personally think its cool to be able build a bunch of the same item and be able to perform decently, as long as it doesn't dominate other builds obviously which this isn't.
Eedat (NA)
: Alright stacking 5 Cleavers gives me.....
I just think it's funny cuz this is the second time stacking cleaver is viable.
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