Except this cancerous piece of shit wasn't created by CertainlyT. It was by Squad5, who has started making half-assed CT type champs. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}

Agreed. Riot has been stealing concepts and abilities lately without creating something uniquely new. This champ should not have been created, at all.

Sorry man but the only one wrong here is you. The OP has posted multiple proofs of evidence against your claims, including ones that are from Riot. And I agree with them, Lux is a mid lane mage.

Might want to clarify what type of boots then.

Um no. You get your first item before your tier 2 boots as an ADC. Boots of speed that's fine but not tier 2.

Well they would let us know if they found changes they liked and so far she's still listed as visual. They even told us they didn't like anything they had tried so far.

Yeahhhhh no. It deals a ton.

LB is an assassin, only. Winrates don't always prove a champ is weak/strong.

Well you can save a breath for Morgana. Her changes are scrapped for now. Just doing visual update, but even then I like her as she is visually so -.-

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Nope. Bye!

She can't oneshot and can't spam either, and does have a cooldown so stop that.

Uh yea her Q is very easy to dodge because it's a LONG skillshot. If you can't dodge that, then you need to get better at it. And what exactly is a "cheating nidalee?" Because there is no such thing. And wtf? Her Q costs 50/60/70/80/90 in mana. A 6 sec cooldown is average, not that low compared to the likes of other champions. Be respectful. Calling me delusional is offensive. And yes they took out her resets which was major nerf. If you had played against her when she had those, seeing her now is weak sauce compared to that. Her jump has a low range unless she hits a Q, and if she misses or just used it, she has no escapes besides flash. She has clear weaknesses. Every champ does. You have to learn to play around them instead of QQing about it on the boards.

Just the other day I saw him. People only take him bot because of Riot hasn't fixed his ratios.

It's not selfish. Neeko support ruins people's games. And I'm not going back on my word. Good fucking bye.

I'm not doing it. Neeko is not a secondary support. Malphite is different. -.-

I just said some of them. No CC so she only has her jump which has a cooldown, on top of her resets that had been taken away so abuse that. She has a hard time getting away from those who are on top of her. Get MR, and dodge her Q so most of her damage is taken away. And most Nids won't go in on you without a Q because she doesn't have the damage to do so unless you're extremely low and she can just use her animal Q to finish you off..

Brand isn't a support, just like Lux. They are MID LANE mages who go bot occasionally. Lux is a secondary support. She is fine to be there, Brand is not. Neeko has no support abilities, just like Brand besides a stun. Lux has a shield.

That's offensive. Don't be insulting others for things they play. Nidalee has strengths and weaknesses just like others. She has no CC so she can be jumped on, especially if her own jump is down, on top of having her resets being taken away the other year. Her Q is a long skillshot and easy to dodge, but she's rewarded by the damage ratio for hitting it. It shows a sign of skill that you can play her effectively. Like I said above, they nerfed her mobility a bit too much. And she's not that safe compared to Lee and others. Lee actually has a shield and can kick a player back. Be respectful to others and who they play. They don't ruin others experiences. I think you are just QQing because you got beat, bud. Learn how to play against them, get some defenses and try again but don't come here and attack others because you lost. -Don't know why you are downvoting me. That's not cool.

Because LB isn't BALANCED. She's another assassin, not a mage.

Yup I know. But when we try to punish him we just get a QE to the face. Not all mages have a long AA to harass him with.

Malphite is more a secondary support than Neeko is, and it helped us win because my ult helped our MID Yasuo have more chances to ult. So no, I didn't go back on my words.

Or better yet revert Galio to his better kit and he won't be such a pro play monster anymore.

Don't be abusive. "Anyone who loses to Zed just has bad mechanics/fundementals." That's mean. Not everyone is bad or has bad mechanics. And from the way you are being downvoted, your opinions here aren't agreed with either. LB is not balanced either so this argument is thrown out the window. And yes, Zed is OP. Bye! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}

No, it's not. Neeko is a horrible support and is not meant to be there. Mid or maybe jg yes but not the fing bot lane. Nope. I had one in my game last night and he helped the enemy Ezreal get fed off his ass early. Our top Vayne added to his KDA as well. That's why ADCs are meant for bot lane and not anything else. Yasuo is a mid laner, pure and simple. Anywhere else is trolling.

Yup they don't listen to us and only appeal to the Asian markets which has made the game so shitty. Sigh.

Saying git gud is offensive. Be respectful.

I don't have rose tinted glasses. And no I have not been disrespectful. At all. I argue against the other side. I know what they say but it's not true. Doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful. Complaints are on a whole other level since season 7 and now. And the game will be way better reverted.

Popularity increase doesn't mean that it's good. They are facts, not opinions.

I have not been disrespectful in any way. At least I don't call someone that they have rose tinted glasses.

Wrong. Galio was fine as he was, he didn't need updating besides maybe visual. Old system had way more and better playstyle options, **period. ** Not arguing this anymore.

> [{quoted}](name=Pokemonred200,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:23:01.423+0000) > > Assumptions, uncited information, and the classic 'my opinion is fact' mentality, got it. They are facts. Look at the kits and see for yourself. > > ...no it doesn't? Every prior season had its issues, along with upsides. No season is particularly better than another; every prior season has had plenty of issues. There have been metas just as bad, if not worse too (...Season 3 Black Cleaver, Launch Feral Flare, Devourer + Rageblade, Launch etc.) Season 8 and beyond is far worse than anything else you can throw at me, and yes it needs a revert. > > ...someone's got rose-tinted goggles on. It's not just pros either; his pickrate is still higher in solo queue and normal games than it was pre-rework too. While he does have obnoxious pro power, he's still an good pick in solo queue and he makes a damn good mage, and still makes for a pretty good tank. Wow. Be respectful. Old rework is shit, no matter if his rates are better. He's only a tank now. Before he was the ANTI-MAGE, which they stripped away from him and gave him really no identity at all. > > Depends on how much you play. When you play all day every day, it can feel slower (though in my opinion, it isn't), but when you're only able to play 2-3 matches a day, the FWOTD bonus does make the BE gain noticeably faster. You just get it in bursts instead of in small amounts like IP. I only play a few games at night, and I still make less than I did before. > > People have different options for different champions now. And while the old runes were considered 'different options', a vast majority of them were noob traps and were more of a hinderance than a pro. The old runes were usually set in stone for most champions, and any alternate picks were, in most cases, inferior picks. There's a reason why 'illusion of choice' is brought up so much when 'revert runes reforged' is brought up. There are cases where this is an issue now, but it was arguably _worse_ back then. They were not all noob traps, and old system is vastly superior. Already said why. > > ...sure, people are quitting, but you're still not citing your sources about the rate of quitting having grown and continuing to do so. > > Again, opinions. There are a lot of people who love the game right now, even if there are also those who hate it. A vocal minority, while far more visible, is _still_ a minority. Not all opinions. Mostly facts. And it's not a minority.

> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-12-26T18:48:46.706+0000) > > In what way did Neeko "steal from other champions"? She can disguise and bait enemies and she's got qualities of a burst mage. Please elaborate. Her disguise and bait? Stolen from LB- people were complaining Neeko's ability is what should have been given to LB in a rework. Shield bomb? Karma. Massive AOE spreading ult? Zyra. > > Why is he stupidly designed? He's got a weak early game, his entire kit can be dodged as it's all telegraphed or delayed, his ultimate decides how strong he is in teamfights. He's got clear and exploitable weaknesses. A pull and a stun- which are not qualities of "assassins," on top of invisibility, stupid self-healing, and a horrible 50% health execute ult that steals kills from the team. The stupid "gold" aspect of it doesn't make up for it- the kills he takes only buffs his end of game score which is not what supports are supposed to be doing. > > Support-Assassin is an interesting category and now that they solved the whole tank-Pyke thing, he's a wonderful addition to the game. He's a horrible addition to the game, and no. Support-Assassin is not meant to be a thing. The game has only had ONE class for each champ and it needs to stay that way. > > I dislike Zoe as her entire kit is based around one-shots and RNG. I want her to be reworked. > > So because the pros and 0.1% of the community liked him, his rework was a mistake? He still has playmaking potential with his kit and is of more use to his team overall. "LOL. Nope" isn't a response to what I said, he's picked much more now and he's much healthier to fight against. It was more than 0.1%. And yes, it was a mistake. They took everything we loved about him and made him into a stupid tank. He was the anti-mage before. No, he's not more of a use. Absorb damage is about all he does now because they keep nerfing away parts of his kit. His kit was way better and never really took nerfs because it was designed fine and balanced pretty fine besides high mana costs. He did good damage and amazing team fight potential, better than it is now. > > Yes, I did play a fair amount and I still do. Gaining Blue Essence is much easier now as playing a few games will give you multiple champion shards worth a fair amount. Playing a few games back in the day gave you an average of about 60-90 IP. Not to me. IP was a way easier grind. > > For casual players it took weeks of playing games just to buy a 6,300 champion that they may not enjoy. For more dedicated players like us, it still took longer than the system we have now. Even worse is the fact that if you couldn't play a ton of games to purchase runes, you were at a severe statistical disadvantage and would more likely lose games. Now, everyone has the ability to fully customize their rune page and gain free stats through the addition of Stat Shards. Customization is way less than it was before, and the Stat Shards are horrible. They don't even give the amount of stats we had before in the old runes and barely do anything because damage is still stupidly high. > > _Also, yes I'm aware that runes had their prices severely cut towards the end of their life cycle but that doesn't change the fact that the system was flawed for multiple seasons._ New system is more flawed than the old. > > Also, runes were more diverse back then? In what way? It was literally just numbers, there was no point to do anything other than intended because the options you had were severely limited. Even in norms, the only things you could do were related to stats that you could already purchase from items. Runes- AP, AD, AS, Health, Armor, AP, Mana, Mana regen, Flat, Scaling. Then others not taken as much- Lifesteal, SV, Hybrid damage, etc. You keep forgetting masteries. You could go any way you wanted depending on your matchup. Hard AD/AP matchup? Take more armor/health/mr in runes, then go 18-0-12 or 12-0-18 in masteries. There were so many good combinations you can do before, and they weren't as limited as they are now. > > Now we can make entire builds around item slows with Glacial Augment, you can do one based around movespeed one-shots with Celerity and Phase Rush or Predator, even a shield build for Jarvan with Aery + Unholy Grail. The new rune pages are infinitely more expressive than taking something like +27% attack speed, +3 gold per 10, or +15 magic penetration. Keep forgetting masteries. -.- I can't remember all their names and I can't find a website that has them but anyway they had way more options than those. > > [League of Legends isn't declining or losing players, though. We've been growing steadily.](https://www.lol-smurfs.com/blog/is-league-of-legends-dying/) Not from what I've seen. > > Again, subjective. People enjoy the faster paced nature of this game just like how some people hate it. And from what I've seen, the most hate it.

> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-26T17:28:30.124+0000) > > Ah, yes. Delete the champions that Riot put months of effort into while designing lore, characteristics, gameplay elements, and we also get the added bonus of removing the mains of those champions. With the likes of Neeko, they didn't pour much time into her at all. They stole parts of other champs kits and gave them to her, therefore giving her nothing really unique or new to the game, gave her a weird ass walking on all fours element, and damage, that's it. Pyke is a stupidly designed champ and overloaded as well. The game does not need a "support" assassin. And if I heard correctly, Zoe wasn't supposed to be released at all. > > Okay, seriously though: A revert wouldn't be a good idea, especially one as drastic as going back almost 4 full seasons. Seasons 4 or 5 were just to make a point mostly but yes the game needs a revert to a better season. > > Galio's rework was amazing and well received by most, his popularity also *skyrocketed* because of it. LOL. Nope. His rework is a disservice to him and to his mains. Don't care about his popularity- the pros just liked him for the big plays that he could ALREADY make from his previous ult, which is drastically way better. > > Subjective. I hated having to grind to purchase every rune, I enjoy the uniqueness of our current runes instead of just getting 27 MR at level 18, 9 armor, 3% bonus MS, and 10/15 AD/AP or whatever it was. The old runes and masteries had huge, glaring problems as well. Grinding for BE now is worse than the IP arguably before. If you played a decent amount, you got enough IP quickly. It was never a pain for me. Old runes on top of OLD MASTERIES had way more uniqueness than the system now- which is just a few masteries compared to the lot we had before. Not everyone took those options. People had different options for different champions and their different matchups that best suited them. Now? Each champ only gets like one because the rest are crap. > > That's how businesses _need_ to think. Even though some people would love a revert, other players would end up quitting. Your/our opinion of Season 5 being great also _is_ just an opinion, there are plenty of people who enjoy the current state of the game. Hundreds if not thousands of people have quit since season 7 started, and that number has risen and is continuing to grow since season 8 and now. So what if some enjoy it now, but the many complaints that have grown since season 7 will continue to grow as well. > > Season 5 was my favorite season but it wasn't perfect either, as Pokemonred200 stated before. No season was perfect, but literally every season was better than 8 and now. I would even take Dynamic Q in s7 than this current shit.

People are complaining a whole lot more now than season 5 or any other season. More things are broken now as well on top of just straight up damage everywhere plus the cherry on top- releases of constant overloaded kits that shouldn't be added in the first place.

> [{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HIiJwgkc,comment-id=0008000300000003,timestamp=2018-12-26T05:05:23.319+0000) > > Lmao mages are jam packed with extra damage to appeal to the lesser skill intensive players, Uh no, they aren't. > the only mage i even consider balanced is nidalee cause she saw so much competetive play in kr riot had to UBER balance her. i love GAINING 700 GOLD WORTH OF STATS FOR FREE, or having Dark seal. (seekers cost 1100g: true gold value 1800g) darkseal is just obviously a problem Nidalee is a hybrid assassin, not a mage. Get your classes right. And don't get me started on the whole money debate, especially Seeker's vs Hexdrinker. Everyone knows AD is worth more with their items.

Well I don't see many Zeds in my games anymore because he's usually banned but I had one last night and he got fed early but of course, his winrate can be skewered from his mains as well. Ekko is a skirmisher, and Wukong is a Diver so they aren't assassins. Proof: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list Therefore they have better late games than Zed.

Uh no. He's too low risk, high reward on top of extreme safety. In fact I agree with the others, he needs a nerf. And duh- assassins are **meant** to fall off late game. That's their trade off for their good early game. Mages trade off weak early for strong late.

No she's not. Her only "support" ability is her root and stun on her ult. Otherwise she has nothing. She has a hand up on Pyke though, at least she has better peel but still, she is not a good support.

I really hate EndlessPillows for creating him in the first place. He should have never made it live, just like Neeko.

It's because other people have done more than that to get the S. Work on your farm and ward a hell lot more and see how it goes.

Pft. His rework is a disgrace. Old Galio actually counters AP but not melees and is way better than this crap. He needs to be reverted.

Neeko is an abomination and should have never made it to live.

Yeah last night I had a Iron like 3 or 4 they said in my game. I was in Silver 3, but got demoted thanks to some trolls last night -.- Don't know why either. Bleh.

I miss my old Galio so much. They really did him a disservice with this rework. RIP my Galio <3

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Those actually sound not too bad. I really like the steal movement speed idea on E. Hopefully a Red will see this and comment as well!

Agreed. Pyke to me seems like a disgrace to EVERY other champion in the game (besides Neeko) because they all are just ONE type of champion, not a mix of two. But I agree, he's more of an assassin with a stupid gold sharing mechanic and a horrible 50% health execute. He shouldn't have made it to live, just like Neeko.