: So this is what people do when they don't complain about CertainlyT and his champions. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Except this cancerous piece of shit wasn't created by CertainlyT. It was by Squad5, who has started making half-assed CT type champs. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Ventace (NA)
: Sylas looks like a lazy mashup of champs.
Agreed. Riot has been stealing concepts and abilities lately without creating something uniquely new. This champ should not have been created, at all.
Terozu (NA)
: You know what, the fact that you're further arguing this, means im not going to read it. I am stating facts you are stating opinions. And if you won't listen to facts arguing with you is pointless. Go ahead and be ignorant to champ roles. Idc.
Sorry man but the only one wrong here is you. The OP has posted multiple proofs of evidence against your claims, including ones that are from Riot. And I agree with them, Lux is a mid lane mage.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h4OpV0n3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-30T14:49:47.531+0000) > > Um no. You get your first item before your tier 2 boots as an ADC. Boots of speed that's fine but not tier 2. ? What? That’s what the message of my post is.
: When it comes to laning as AD, prioritize raw AD over attack speed. When you trade in lane, raw AD beats attack speed unless the trade lasts a certain amount of time, so the value you get from BF sword is far greater than you’d get from 2 Long Swords and 2 Daggers while in lane Unless you’re playing an ADC that builds Blade of the Ruined King (Lucian), you should aim to back at 1300g. Otherwise, order of priority is BF > Long Sword > Bootd > Dagger > Control Ward > Brawler Glove
Um no. You get your first item before your tier 2 boots as an ADC. Boots of speed that's fine but not tier 2.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oe3oM3am,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-12-28T19:42:10.358+0000) > > Well you can save a breath for Morgana. Her changes are scrapped for now. Just doing visual update, but even then I like her as she is visually so -.- Not breathing easily yet - remember that Swain was supposed to be a visual update. And look what happened to him...
Well they would let us know if they found changes they liked and so far she's still listed as visual. They even told us they didn't like anything they had tried so far.
: His Q does laughable damage on its own
: LB is both And she’s balanced since in champion.gg her win rate is below 50
LB is an assassin, only. Winrates don't always prove a champ is weak/strong.
: Gave you a thumbs up. I have started to fear these reworks. I have lost a few of my former champions when they redesigned them. I play at a higher ping and like simpler champs for that reason. If they do an "Aatrox", "Irelia" or "Swain" on my dear Kayle (or Morgana), then this will be yet one (or two) more lost champions for me. Every rework has been for me so far (with perhaps Ww as an exception) has been like the loss of a dear friend. Please leave Kayle (and Morgana) alone. There are other champions out there which could use more attention to be honest.
Well you can save a breath for Morgana. Her changes are scrapped for now. Just doing visual update, but even then I like her as she is visually so -.-
Diablus X (EUW)
: What is your most top 10 Cancerous Characters in League of legends?
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: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEvcRtWU,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-28T15:36:59.432+0000) > > It's not selfish. Neeko support ruins people's games. > > And I'm not going back on my word. > > Good fucking bye. Yeah cz you got the unlucky ones in your games. My statistics still stands. Enjoy your stubbornness.
Mindzur (NA)
: Since one shotting people with a spammable ability that doesn't cost mana and has no cooldown falls off ever.
She can't oneshot and can't spam either, and does have a cooldown so stop that.
Mindzur (NA)
: Her Q isn't easy to dodge, especially against a cheating nidalee which happens A LOT. It also has almost no mana cost and an extremely low cooldown. They nerfed her mobility too much? A fucking jump on 2 seconds is nerfed mobility? You're delusional if you think this.
Uh yea her Q is very easy to dodge because it's a LONG skillshot. If you can't dodge that, then you need to get better at it. And what exactly is a "cheating nidalee?" Because there is no such thing. And wtf? Her Q costs 50/60/70/80/90 in mana. A 6 sec cooldown is average, not that low compared to the likes of other champions. Be respectful. Calling me delusional is offensive. And yes they took out her resets which was major nerf. If you had played against her when she had those, seeing her now is weak sauce compared to that. Her jump has a low range unless she hits a Q, and if she misses or just used it, she has no escapes besides flash. She has clear weaknesses. Every champ does. You have to learn to play around them instead of QQing about it on the boards.
ThreshHub (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEvcRtWU,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-12-28T14:27:42.132+0000) > > Brand isn't a support, just like Lux. They are MID LANE mages who go bot occasionally. > > Lux is a secondary support. She is fine to be there, Brand is not. > > Neeko has no support abilities, just like Brand besides a stun. Lux has a shield. When was the last time you saw a brand actually go mid ? Because personally I haven't seen him there in the last six months. Right now he is a support primary and maybe, if you are lucky you will see him mid once in your life.
Just the other day I saw him. People only take him bot because of Riot hasn't fixed his ratios.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEvcRtWU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-28T15:05:38.546+0000) > > I'm not doing it. > > Neeko is not a secondary support. > > Malphite is different. > > -.- On whose perspective? Just yours? https://champion.gg/champion/Neeko/Support https://champion.gg/champion/Malphite/Support From what I read on Champion.GG, Neeko's winrate & pickrate on Support role are both higher than Malphite's Support. Not to say that Malphite isn't a legit support, but the fact that you claimed Neeko isn't a support **just because you don't like it** is just a pretty selfish one. So yes, you're actually going back on your words.
It's not selfish. Neeko support ruins people's games. And I'm not going back on my word. Good fucking bye.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEvcRtWU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-12-28T14:06:44.137+0000) > > Malphite is more a secondary support than Neeko is, and it helped us win because my ult helped our MID Yasuo have more chances to ult. > > So no, I didn't go back on my words. Umm > I don't care if you do it well or it does great in other games ^ So apparently if you're the one doing it, it's no problem, regardless if whether you did great or not. Ok.
I'm not doing it. Neeko is not a secondary support. Malphite is different. -.-
: Nidalee has weaknesses? I'd love to know what they are.
I just said some of them. No CC so she only has her jump which has a cooldown, on top of her resets that had been taken away so abuse that. She has a hard time getting away from those who are on top of her. Get MR, and dodge her Q so most of her damage is taken away. And most Nids won't go in on you without a Q because she doesn't have the damage to do so unless you're extremely low and she can just use her animal Q to finish you off..
: if brand is a support why neeko isn't?
Brand isn't a support, just like Lux. They are MID LANE mages who go bot occasionally. Lux is a secondary support. She is fine to be there, Brand is not. Neeko has no support abilities, just like Brand besides a stun. Lux has a shield.
: Playing against Nidalee is the worst experience in League.
That's offensive. Don't be insulting others for things they play. Nidalee has strengths and weaknesses just like others. She has no CC so she can be jumped on, especially if her own jump is down, on top of having her resets being taken away the other year. Her Q is a long skillshot and easy to dodge, but she's rewarded by the damage ratio for hitting it. It shows a sign of skill that you can play her effectively. Like I said above, they nerfed her mobility a bit too much. And she's not that safe compared to Lee and others. Lee actually has a shield and can kick a player back. Be respectful to others and who they play. They don't ruin others experiences. I think you are just QQing because you got beat, bud. Learn how to play against them, get some defenses and try again but don't come here and attack others because you lost. -Don't know why you are downvoting me. That's not cool.
: then how do you explain that I managed to defeat Zed without even building a Seekers? And yet people are saying, "Zed is OP because he forces a Seekers and then I do no damage"?
Because LB isn't BALANCED. She's another assassin, not a mage.
: you know that every time Zed throws out his W he can be hard punished/comboed for the next 20+ seconds? Also, if he's melee farming then you harass him with ranged AAs but as soon as he throws even a single Shuriken to farm, you can hard combo him hard trade him (because without his Q... even with his R and everything up he can't combo effectively at all)?
Yup I know. But when we try to punish him we just get a QE to the face. Not all mages have a long AA to harass him with.
: Isn't Malphite a top laner? And you picked him as a Support in your recent Ranked games? Did you just went back on your words?
Malphite is more a secondary support than Neeko is, and it helped us win because my ult helped our MID Yasuo have more chances to ult. So no, I didn't go back on my words.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Kha'zix and Galio keep breaking high elo play everytime they're viable
Or better yet revert Galio to his better kit and he won't be such a pro play monster anymore.
: 100% Conclusive Proof that Zed Sucks
Don't be abusive. "Anyone who loses to Zed just has bad mechanics/fundementals." That's mean. Not everyone is bad or has bad mechanics. And from the way you are being downvoted, your opinions here aren't agreed with either. LB is not balanced either so this argument is thrown out the window. And yes, Zed is OP. Bye! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Dr Dog (NA)
: what are you on about? neeko support is decent and is played a good amount, and yasuo adc can work perfectly fine if you arent dogshit at yasuo and know how to not be hyper aggressive
No, it's not. Neeko is a horrible support and is not meant to be there. Mid or maybe jg yes but not the fing bot lane. Nope. I had one in my game last night and he helped the enemy Ezreal get fed off his ass early. Our top Vayne added to his KDA as well. That's why ADCs are meant for bot lane and not anything else. Yasuo is a mid laner, pure and simple. Anywhere else is trolling.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-26T16:55:18.659+0000) > > The whole game needs a revert. It would be so much better than this snowball shitfest it is right now. > > And yes- that means deleting the champions that should NOT have been released in the first place (Zoe, Pyke, Neeko) as well as reverting some reworks like Galio. > > And bringing back the older but BETTER rune **and** mastery systems. > > That's all you have to do Riot. It would give the playerbase a sign of trust if you did, not to mention, you really need to stop thinking about your wallets in the first place. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} If Riot cared about trust, they wouldn't lie to their players so much. They are scammers and just in it for the money at this point. Don't expect the game to improve nor keep their player's interest or concerns in mind.
Yup they don't listen to us and only appeal to the Asian markets which has made the game so shitty. Sigh.
: Adjust. Learn. Deal. Git gud. Whining won't do you any good.
Saying git gud is offensive. Be respectful.
: Stating that someone has rose-tinted glasses is saying that someone's letting nostalgia cloud their thoughts and judgments about something. Reverting the game to a different season isn't going to magically stop the complaints; it'll make people complain about something else, though. People complained to high hell about a lot of things that have existed in each past season, just as much as they do now (and in some cases, more). There's always going to be a bunch of people complaining about the state of the game at a given point in time, and then other people looking back a few years later and saying 'I liked it better when the game was like _______.' ...also, speaking to people in conversation and displaying a near complete unwillingness to give the other side any consideration or forethought is, in my opinion (and likely the opinion of various other as well) is incredibly disrespectful, so to say you haven't been disrespectful in ***any*** way isn't really true. I can see the reasoning you have for wanting the game to go back to a prior state, but like I have said, and like several others have said, it's not going to fix everything and can possibly make it worse, given the game's still gained players since then who may not have liked the state of the game back then, and other people may loathe having to go back because they like the current state of the game and were not fans of how the game was back then. (This is further amplified by the request to delete the newer champions and reworks on top of it, as these champions for the most part all have sizable player bases who would be upset with their champions being removed with zero replacement at all, as they, unlike reworks, would not have a character to take the champion's place without them having any chance to at the very least _try_ and see if they liked the replacement.)
I don't have rose tinted glasses. And no I have not been disrespectful. At all. I argue against the other side. I know what they say but it's not true. Doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful. Complaints are on a whole other level since season 7 and now. And the game will be way better reverted.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=000100020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T20:21:03.034+0000) > > Wrong. > > Galio was fine as he was, he didn't need updating besides maybe visual. > > Old system had way more and better playstyle options, **period. > ** > Not arguing this anymore. If that was the case, there would be an outrage over it instead of a popularity increase. That's fine, you don't always have to treat your opinion as fact though.
Popularity increase doesn't mean that it's good. They are facts, not opinions.
: While I do realize I could have been a lot nicer about the way I wrote half the post, and I'm not going to pretend I'm correct in speaking the way I did, I will point out that you have not been the most respectful in the way you state your opinions either.
I have not been disrespectful in any way. At least I don't call someone that they have rose tinted glasses.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:02:44.503+0000) > >Her disguise and bait? Stolen from LB- people were complaining Neeko's ability is what should have been given to LB in a rework. Shield bomb? Karma. Massive AOE spreading ult? Zyra. Obviously if you compared the basics of someone's abilities to another, you're bound to find comparisons. However, I agree with you about Leblanc being the one who should have a kit like that. That doesn't mean it was stolen, though. Karma hasn't had a shield bomb in **multiple** seasons, but because she did previously, nobody else is allowed to have one? Even then - it's not a shield bomb. She gains the shield _after_ she ults, not before. [This video here showcases that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RNFJYPgLsU) It's to help her survive after engaging. >A pull and a stun- which are not qualities of "assassins," on top of invisibility, stupid self-healing, and a horrible 50% health execute ult that steals kills from the team. Those are the qualities of a support. His ultimate also doesn't do half of your health as damage. It just got nerfed and you can easily build health to counter it. Save your flash or healing abilities for it, it's the same thing you do against Darius, Urgot, and other execute abilities. >The stupid "gold" aspect of it doesn't make up for it- the kills he takes only buffs his end of game score which is not what supports are supposed to be doing. It helps snowball his team, which is what supports can also do. Netting kills and sharing bonus gold not only propels your team forward when it lands but also opens him up to roaming and kill securing by ganking with his invisibility. If you think that Pyke just steals kills and buffs his own score, you're sadly mistaken. >He's a horrible addition to the game, and no. Support-Assassin is not meant to be a thing. The game has only had ONE class for each champ and it needs to stay that way. I guess we need to delete Fighter-Assassins like Yasuo, Fighter-Tanks (aka Juggernauts) like Illaoi and Mordekaiser, even Battlemages like Karthus need to go. Hybrid champions have been in League for a long time, Support-Assassin is an interesting take on it as he actually accomplishes both roles quite well. If you dislike fighting Pyke, that's fine, but he brings a lot of uniqueness to the bot lane and opened it up to more players overall. >It was more than 0.1%. And yes, it was a mistake. They took everything we loved about him and made him into a stupid tank. He was the anti-mage before. >No, he's not more of a use. Absorb damage is about all he does now because they keep nerfing away parts of his kit. >His kit was way better and never really took nerfs because it was designed fine and balanced pretty fine besides high mana costs. He did good damage and amazing team fight potential, better than it is now. #Taken from the Riot Support website: >**WHY DO WE HAVE UPDATES? ** >A champion update is a graphical or kit (play style) update that occurs after a champion's initial release. Over the past year, our teams have been working on updating champions whose visuals or gameplay don't fit with the current state of the game. Our goal is to level up any outdated visuals or gameplay to make them feel fresh while still retaining what makes them unique as a champion. Galio still has abilities that scale with magic resist and still does well against mages. His role was anti-mage and tank which he still accomplishes well, as showcased by his decent playrate and winrate. >Not to me. IP was a way easier grind. If you _feel_ that way, that's fine. [It's been proven on multiple occasions that BE is easier to obtain than IP.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8q3sk1/returning_player_so_how_bad_is_blue_essence_vs_ip/) >Customization is way less than it was before, and the Stat Shards are horrible. They don't even give the amount of stats we had before in the old runes and barely do anything because damage is still stupidly high. Again, if you feel that way, that's fine. Stat Shards were a good middle ground between the new and old Rune/Mastery pages, but the new runes have more possibilities and combinations than just stat buffs. >New system is more flawed than the old. Again, that's debatable for the reasons I stated above. >Runes- AP, AD, AS, Health, Armor, AP, Mana, Mana regen, Flat, Scaling. Then others not taken as much- Lifesteal, SV, Hybrid damage, etc. >You keep forgetting masteries. You could go any way you wanted depending on your matchup. Hard AD/AP matchup? Take more armor/health/mr in runes, then go 18-0-12 or 12-0-18 in masteries. >There were so many good combinations you can do before, and they weren't as limited as they are now. The old mastery system wasn't impactful enough. I didn't forget about them, they were just so insignificant before 2016 that it wasn't worth mentioning. Things like +3% bonus damage and 1.5% damage taken just didn't matter half of the time, when they did matter it was in a few niche matchups. The 2016/2017 masteries were better, but again they were so weak most of the time that Riot just decided to upgrade them to Runes Reforged. >Keep forgetting masteries. -.- >I can't remember all their names and I can't find a website that has them but anyway they had way more options than those. Our new Rune system offers more *playstyle* options. If you think that the old systems gave better or more varied stats, that's fine, but even then in a majority of cases things like Battering Blows/Piercing Thoughts, Dangerous Game, and Natural Talent didn't hold a candle to Sudden Impact, Triumph, or Gathering Storm. >Not from what I've seen./ And from what I've seen, the most hate it. That's because you're on the Boards, an echochamber of negativity. Try looking at Reddit or other forums where people are more positive. The vocal minority is always the loudest, just because you see people hating on it doesn't mean they speak for the majority.
Wrong. Galio was fine as he was, he didn't need updating besides maybe visual. Old system had way more and better playstyle options, **period. ** Not arguing this anymore.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-12-26T18:17:38.258+0000) > > With the likes of Neeko, they didn't pour much time into her at all. They stole parts of other champs kits and gave them to her, therefore giving her nothing really unique or new to the game, gave her a weird ass walking on all fours element, and damage, that's it. > > Pyke is a stupidly designed champ and overloaded as well. The game does not need a "support" assassin. > > And if I heard correctly, Zoe wasn't supposed to be released at all. Assumptions, uncited information, and the classic 'my opinion is fact' mentality, got it. > Seasons 4 or 5 were just to make a point mostly but yes the game needs a revert to a better season. ...no it doesn't? Every prior season had its issues, along with upsides. No season is particularly better than another; every prior season has had plenty of issues. There have been metas just as bad, if not worse too (...Season 3 Black Cleaver, Launch Feral Flare, Devourer + Rageblade, Launch etc.) > LOL. Nope. His rework is a disservice to him and to his mains. Don't care about his popularity- the pros just liked him for the big plays that he could ALREADY make from his previous ult, which is drastically way better. ...someone's got rose-tinted goggles on. It's not just pros either; his pickrate is still higher in solo queue and normal games than it was pre-rework too. While he does have obnoxious pro power, he's still an good pick in solo queue and he makes a damn good mage, and still makes for a pretty good tank. > Grinding for BE now is worse than the IP arguably before. If you played a decent amount, you got enough IP quickly. It was never a pain for me. Old runes on top of OLD MASTERIES had way more uniqueness than the system now- which is just a few masteries compared to the lot we had before. Depends on how much you play. When you play all day every day, it can feel slower (though in my opinion, it isn't), but when you're only able to play 2-3 matches a day, the FWOTD bonus does make the BE gain noticeably faster. You just get it in bursts instead of in small amounts like IP. > Not everyone took those options. People had different options for different champions and their different matchups that best suited them. Now? Each champ only gets like one because the rest are crap. People have different options for different champions now. And while the old runes were considered 'different options', a vast majority of them were noob traps and were more of a hinderance than a pro. The old runes were usually set in stone for most champions, and any alternate picks were, in most cases, inferior picks. There's a reason why 'illusion of choice' is brought up so much when 'revert runes reforged' is brought up. There are cases where this is an issue now, but it was arguably _worse_ back then. > Hundreds if not thousands of people have quit since season 7 started, and that number has risen and is continuing to grow since season 8 and now. So what if some enjoy it now, but the many complaints that have grown since season 7 will continue to grow as well. ...sure, people are quitting, but you're still not citing your sources about the rate of quitting having grown and continuing to do so. > No season was perfect, but literally every season was better than 8 and now. I would even take Dynamic Q in s7 than this current shit. Again, opinions. There are a lot of people who love the game right now, even if there are also those who hate it. A vocal minority, while far more visible, is _still_ a minority.
> [{quoted}](name=Pokemonred200,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:23:01.423+0000) > > Assumptions, uncited information, and the classic 'my opinion is fact' mentality, got it. They are facts. Look at the kits and see for yourself. > > ...no it doesn't? Every prior season had its issues, along with upsides. No season is particularly better than another; every prior season has had plenty of issues. There have been metas just as bad, if not worse too (...Season 3 Black Cleaver, Launch Feral Flare, Devourer + Rageblade, Launch etc.) Season 8 and beyond is far worse than anything else you can throw at me, and yes it needs a revert. > > ...someone's got rose-tinted goggles on. It's not just pros either; his pickrate is still higher in solo queue and normal games than it was pre-rework too. While he does have obnoxious pro power, he's still an good pick in solo queue and he makes a damn good mage, and still makes for a pretty good tank. Wow. Be respectful. Old rework is shit, no matter if his rates are better. He's only a tank now. Before he was the ANTI-MAGE, which they stripped away from him and gave him really no identity at all. > > Depends on how much you play. When you play all day every day, it can feel slower (though in my opinion, it isn't), but when you're only able to play 2-3 matches a day, the FWOTD bonus does make the BE gain noticeably faster. You just get it in bursts instead of in small amounts like IP. I only play a few games at night, and I still make less than I did before. > > People have different options for different champions now. And while the old runes were considered 'different options', a vast majority of them were noob traps and were more of a hinderance than a pro. The old runes were usually set in stone for most champions, and any alternate picks were, in most cases, inferior picks. There's a reason why 'illusion of choice' is brought up so much when 'revert runes reforged' is brought up. There are cases where this is an issue now, but it was arguably _worse_ back then. They were not all noob traps, and old system is vastly superior. Already said why. > > ...sure, people are quitting, but you're still not citing your sources about the rate of quitting having grown and continuing to do so. > > Again, opinions. There are a lot of people who love the game right now, even if there are also those who hate it. A vocal minority, while far more visible, is _still_ a minority. Not all opinions. Mostly facts. And it's not a minority.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-12-26T18:17:38.258+0000) >With the likes of Neeko, they didn't pour much time into her at all. They stole parts of other champs kits and gave them to her, therefore giving her nothing really unique or new to the game, gave her a weird ass walking on all fours element, and damage, that's it. In what way did Neeko "steal from other champions"? She can disguise and bait enemies and she's got qualities of a burst mage. Please elaborate. >Pyke is a stupidly designed champ and overloaded as well. The game does not need a "support" assassin. Why is he stupidly designed? He's got a weak early game, his entire kit can be dodged as it's all telegraphed or delayed, his ultimate decides how strong he is in teamfights. He's got clear and exploitable weaknesses. Support-Assassin is an interesting category and now that they solved the whole tank-Pyke thing, he's a wonderful addition to the game. >And if I heard correctly, Zoe wasn't supposed to be released at all. I dislike Zoe as her entire kit is based around one-shots and RNG. I want her to be reworked. >LOL. Nope. His rework is a disservice to him and to his mains. Don't care about his popularity- the pros just liked him for the big plays that he could ALREADY make from his previous ult, which is drastically way better. So because the pros and 0.1% of the community liked him, his rework was a mistake? He still has playmaking potential with his kit and is of more use to his team overall. "LOL. Nope" isn't a response to what I said, he's picked much more now and he's much healthier to fight against. > Grinding for BE now is worse than the IP arguably before. If you played a decent amount, you got enough IP quickly. It was never a pain for me. Old runes on top of OLD MASTERIES had way more uniqueness than the system now- which is just a few masteries compared to the lot we had before. >Not everyone took those options. People had different options for different champions and their different matchups that best suited them. Now? Each champ only gets like one because the rest are crap. Yes, I did play a fair amount and I still do. Gaining Blue Essence is much easier now as playing a few games will give you multiple champion shards worth a fair amount. Playing a few games back in the day gave you an average of about 60-90 IP. For casual players it took weeks of playing games just to buy a 6,300 champion that they may not enjoy. For more dedicated players like us, it still took longer than the system we have now. Even worse is the fact that if you couldn't play a ton of games to purchase runes, you were at a severe statistical disadvantage and would more likely lose games. Now, everyone has the ability to fully customize their rune page and gain free stats through the addition of Stat Shards. _Also, yes I'm aware that runes had their prices severely cut towards the end of their life cycle but that doesn't change the fact that the system was flawed for multiple seasons._ Also, runes were more diverse back then? In what way? It was literally just numbers, there was no point to do anything other than intended because the options you had were severely limited. Even in norms, the only things you could do were related to stats that you could already purchase from items. Now we can make entire builds around item slows with Glacial Augment, you can do one based around movespeed one-shots with Celerity and Phase Rush or Predator, even a shield build for Jarvan with Aery + Unholy Grail. The new rune pages are infinitely more expressive than taking something like +27% attack speed, +3 gold per 10, or +15 magic penetration. >Hundreds if not thousands of people have quit since season 7 started, and that number has risen and is continuing to grow since season 8 and now. So what if some enjoy it now, but the many complaints that have grown since season 7 will continue to grow as well. [League of Legends isn't declining or losing players, though. We've been growing steadily.](https://www.lol-smurfs.com/blog/is-league-of-legends-dying/) > No season was perfect, but literally every season was better than 8 and now. I would even take Dynamic Q in s7 than this current shit. Again, subjective. People enjoy the faster paced nature of this game just like how some people hate it.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-12-26T18:48:46.706+0000) > > In what way did Neeko "steal from other champions"? She can disguise and bait enemies and she's got qualities of a burst mage. Please elaborate. Her disguise and bait? Stolen from LB- people were complaining Neeko's ability is what should have been given to LB in a rework. Shield bomb? Karma. Massive AOE spreading ult? Zyra. > > Why is he stupidly designed? He's got a weak early game, his entire kit can be dodged as it's all telegraphed or delayed, his ultimate decides how strong he is in teamfights. He's got clear and exploitable weaknesses. A pull and a stun- which are not qualities of "assassins," on top of invisibility, stupid self-healing, and a horrible 50% health execute ult that steals kills from the team. The stupid "gold" aspect of it doesn't make up for it- the kills he takes only buffs his end of game score which is not what supports are supposed to be doing. > > Support-Assassin is an interesting category and now that they solved the whole tank-Pyke thing, he's a wonderful addition to the game. He's a horrible addition to the game, and no. Support-Assassin is not meant to be a thing. The game has only had ONE class for each champ and it needs to stay that way. > > I dislike Zoe as her entire kit is based around one-shots and RNG. I want her to be reworked. > > So because the pros and 0.1% of the community liked him, his rework was a mistake? He still has playmaking potential with his kit and is of more use to his team overall. "LOL. Nope" isn't a response to what I said, he's picked much more now and he's much healthier to fight against. It was more than 0.1%. And yes, it was a mistake. They took everything we loved about him and made him into a stupid tank. He was the anti-mage before. No, he's not more of a use. Absorb damage is about all he does now because they keep nerfing away parts of his kit. His kit was way better and never really took nerfs because it was designed fine and balanced pretty fine besides high mana costs. He did good damage and amazing team fight potential, better than it is now. > > Yes, I did play a fair amount and I still do. Gaining Blue Essence is much easier now as playing a few games will give you multiple champion shards worth a fair amount. Playing a few games back in the day gave you an average of about 60-90 IP. Not to me. IP was a way easier grind. > > For casual players it took weeks of playing games just to buy a 6,300 champion that they may not enjoy. For more dedicated players like us, it still took longer than the system we have now. Even worse is the fact that if you couldn't play a ton of games to purchase runes, you were at a severe statistical disadvantage and would more likely lose games. Now, everyone has the ability to fully customize their rune page and gain free stats through the addition of Stat Shards. Customization is way less than it was before, and the Stat Shards are horrible. They don't even give the amount of stats we had before in the old runes and barely do anything because damage is still stupidly high. > > _Also, yes I'm aware that runes had their prices severely cut towards the end of their life cycle but that doesn't change the fact that the system was flawed for multiple seasons._ New system is more flawed than the old. > > Also, runes were more diverse back then? In what way? It was literally just numbers, there was no point to do anything other than intended because the options you had were severely limited. Even in norms, the only things you could do were related to stats that you could already purchase from items. Runes- AP, AD, AS, Health, Armor, AP, Mana, Mana regen, Flat, Scaling. Then others not taken as much- Lifesteal, SV, Hybrid damage, etc. You keep forgetting masteries. You could go any way you wanted depending on your matchup. Hard AD/AP matchup? Take more armor/health/mr in runes, then go 18-0-12 or 12-0-18 in masteries. There were so many good combinations you can do before, and they weren't as limited as they are now. > > Now we can make entire builds around item slows with Glacial Augment, you can do one based around movespeed one-shots with Celerity and Phase Rush or Predator, even a shield build for Jarvan with Aery + Unholy Grail. The new rune pages are infinitely more expressive than taking something like +27% attack speed, +3 gold per 10, or +15 magic penetration. Keep forgetting masteries. -.- I can't remember all their names and I can't find a website that has them but anyway they had way more options than those. > > [League of Legends isn't declining or losing players, though. We've been growing steadily.](https://www.lol-smurfs.com/blog/is-league-of-legends-dying/) Not from what I've seen. > > Again, subjective. People enjoy the faster paced nature of this game just like how some people hate it. And from what I've seen, the most hate it.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Ah, yes. Delete the champions that Riot put months of effort into while designing lore, characteristics, gameplay elements, and we also get the added bonus of removing the mains of those champions. Okay, seriously though: A revert wouldn't be a good idea, especially one as drastic as going back almost 4 full seasons. > as well as reverting some reworks like Galio. Galio's rework was amazing and well received by most, his popularity also *skyrocketed* because of it. >And bringing back the older but BETTER rune and mastery systems. Subjective. I hated having to grind to purchase every rune, I enjoy the uniqueness of our current runes instead of just getting 27 MR at level 18, 9 armor, 3% bonus MS, and 10/15 AD/AP or whatever it was. The old runes and masteries had huge, glaring problems as well. >That's all you have to do Riot. It would give the playerbase a sign of trust if you did, not to mention, you really need to stop thinking about your wallets in the first place. That's how businesses _need_ to think. Even though some people would love a revert, other players would end up quitting. Your/our opinion of Season 5 being great also _is_ just an opinion, there are plenty of people who enjoy the current state of the game. Season 5 was my favorite season but it wasn't perfect either, as Pokemonred200 stated before.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jZdyE54r,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-26T17:28:30.124+0000) > > Ah, yes. Delete the champions that Riot put months of effort into while designing lore, characteristics, gameplay elements, and we also get the added bonus of removing the mains of those champions. With the likes of Neeko, they didn't pour much time into her at all. They stole parts of other champs kits and gave them to her, therefore giving her nothing really unique or new to the game, gave her a weird ass walking on all fours element, and damage, that's it. Pyke is a stupidly designed champ and overloaded as well. The game does not need a "support" assassin. And if I heard correctly, Zoe wasn't supposed to be released at all. > > Okay, seriously though: A revert wouldn't be a good idea, especially one as drastic as going back almost 4 full seasons. Seasons 4 or 5 were just to make a point mostly but yes the game needs a revert to a better season. > > Galio's rework was amazing and well received by most, his popularity also *skyrocketed* because of it. LOL. Nope. His rework is a disservice to him and to his mains. Don't care about his popularity- the pros just liked him for the big plays that he could ALREADY make from his previous ult, which is drastically way better. > > Subjective. I hated having to grind to purchase every rune, I enjoy the uniqueness of our current runes instead of just getting 27 MR at level 18, 9 armor, 3% bonus MS, and 10/15 AD/AP or whatever it was. The old runes and masteries had huge, glaring problems as well. Grinding for BE now is worse than the IP arguably before. If you played a decent amount, you got enough IP quickly. It was never a pain for me. Old runes on top of OLD MASTERIES had way more uniqueness than the system now- which is just a few masteries compared to the lot we had before. Not everyone took those options. People had different options for different champions and their different matchups that best suited them. Now? Each champ only gets like one because the rest are crap. > > That's how businesses _need_ to think. Even though some people would love a revert, other players would end up quitting. Your/our opinion of Season 5 being great also _is_ just an opinion, there are plenty of people who enjoy the current state of the game. Hundreds if not thousands of people have quit since season 7 started, and that number has risen and is continuing to grow since season 8 and now. So what if some enjoy it now, but the many complaints that have grown since season 7 will continue to grow as well. > > Season 5 was my favorite season but it wasn't perfect either, as Pokemonred200 stated before. No season was perfect, but literally every season was better than 8 and now. I would even take Dynamic Q in s7 than this current shit.
: I remember Season 5. When everyone complained about how Cinderhulk was hilariously broken, how Runeglaive Ezreal was incredibly oppressive, how Sated Devourer Kayle was hilariously broken and shouldn't have been allowed to exist, how {{item:3715}} was a toplane item, how noooobody liked the Juggernaut meta, Kindred being able to literally solo baron in 10 seconds, Purple Smite being obnoxious as hell, amongst several other things. It was my favorite season, but it had a LOT of faults. Some of the above I do still miss (Miss you, Trailblazer into Devourer), but people complained just as much then as they do now.
People are complaining a whole lot more now than season 5 or any other season. More things are broken now as well on top of just straight up damage everywhere plus the cherry on top- releases of constant overloaded kits that shouldn't be added in the first place.
Rioter Comments
: Lmao mages are jam packed with extra damage to appeal to the lesser skill intensive players, the only mage i even consider balanced is nidalee cause she saw so much competetive play in kr riot had to UBER balance her. i love GAINING 700 GOLD WORTH OF STATS FOR FREE, or having Dark seal. (seekers cost 1100g: true gold value 1800g) darkseal is just obviously a problem
> [{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HIiJwgkc,comment-id=0008000300000003,timestamp=2018-12-26T05:05:23.319+0000) > > Lmao mages are jam packed with extra damage to appeal to the lesser skill intensive players, Uh no, they aren't. > the only mage i even consider balanced is nidalee cause she saw so much competetive play in kr riot had to UBER balance her. i love GAINING 700 GOLD WORTH OF STATS FOR FREE, or having Dark seal. (seekers cost 1100g: true gold value 1800g) darkseal is just obviously a problem Nidalee is a hybrid assassin, not a mage. Get your classes right. And don't get me started on the whole money debate, especially Seeker's vs Hexdrinker. Everyone knows AD is worth more with their items.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wxcNJ8Eq,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-26T03:04:19.491+0000) > > Uh no. He's too low risk, high reward on top of extreme safety. In fact I agree with the others, he needs a nerf. > > And duh- assassins are **meant** to fall off late game. That's their trade off for their good early game. > > Mages trade off weak early for strong late. Its only low risk and yet garbage when you farm under tower all game to reach the 30 minute mark, and hope to close game out before everyone gets close to their full build. and I don't know about that, there are many assassins such as Ekko and Wukong that get to have a very great and impactful late game compared to Zed. And either way, I'm not saying he should have a great late game but, It's unfair since he is bad up until later on in the game. (unless you are ahead)
Well I don't see many Zeds in my games anymore because he's usually banned but I had one last night and he got fed early but of course, his winrate can be skewered from his mains as well. Ekko is a skirmisher, and Wukong is a Diver so they aren't assassins. Proof: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list Therefore they have better late games than Zed.
: Zed's current state is garbage, he needs a buff. Change my mind
Uh no. He's too low risk, high reward on top of extreme safety. In fact I agree with the others, he needs a nerf. And duh- assassins are **meant** to fall off late game. That's their trade off for their good early game. Mages trade off weak early for strong late.
: neeko in support pretty decent, where im not ok seeing a neeko is jungle cuz thats just garbage
No she's not. Her only "support" ability is her root and stun on her ult. Otherwise she has nothing. She has a hand up on Pyke though, at least she has better peel but still, she is not a good support.
WrÆth (NA)
: For a champion that is an assassin and is all about big risk high reward, Pyke is pretty safe
I really hate EndlessPillows for creating him in the first place. He should have never made it live, just like Neeko.
Rioter Comments
: Why aren't i getting s- or s ranks/grades? [Jax 18-0-6]
It's because other people have done more than that to get the S. Work on your farm and ward a hell lot more and see how it goes.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Every single time I get a reminder of how stupid Galio is in high elo
Pft. His rework is a disgrace. Old Galio actually counters AP but not melees and is way better than this crap. He needs to be reverted.
: Thank you Riot for Neeko
Neeko is an abomination and should have never made it to live.
Alidoe (NA)
: Why did I get an Iron 1 player in my ranked game?
Yeah last night I had a Iron like 3 or 4 they said in my game. I was in Silver 3, but got demoted thanks to some trolls last night -.- Don't know why either. Bleh.
: Traditional Galio
I miss my old Galio so much. They really did him a disservice with this rework. RIP my Galio <3
: What is, in your opinion, the worst designed champion in this game?
: Some nice possible changes on diana(from a diana main)
Those actually sound not too bad. I really like the steal movement speed idea on E. Hopefully a Red will see this and comment as well!
: Pyke should not be a "Support" (don't hit his mid lane, hit his bot)
Agreed. Pyke to me seems like a disgrace to EVERY other champion in the game (besides Neeko) because they all are just ONE type of champion, not a mix of two. But I agree, he's more of an assassin with a stupid gold sharing mechanic and a horrible 50% health execute. He shouldn't have made it to live, just like Neeko.
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