: lol ok vayne
according to board it's balanced and vayne doesn't need more nerfs
: I dont think that you have any idea what you're talking about? Blitz is like top 3, braum isnt even that good right now, janna is top tier with sona, bard isnt even good below diamond most of the time, soraka is top 5...
: They bring money to the game.
how are you going to bring money with {{champion:240}} {{champion:136}} =?
: What playstyle do you have?
splitpush 1v1 terrible at teamfight
: "barriers to diversity"
Not only this, but a lot of released champions are pointless and bring nothing in this game
Veltox (NA)
: You won't see {{champion:16}} in pro-play because her kit is either meh specially with {{item:3123}} being a thing or a walking fountain.
{{item:3123}} has to be removed and riot knows it, the problem is that riot has no clue how to balance healings
: For Blitz, his kit wasn't designed for the support role. He was an AD top laner that got kidnapped to support because of one ability, and has had his top lane kit balanced around AP supporting ever since. Blitz either needs a kit rework to be an actual support or have his numbers improved and Q changed so he can top lane again without being abused botlane. For Sona, she's basically a less dependable Nami since their kits overlap so much. Nami can have her hard CC by level 1, and that's a huge advantage. However, Sona gets to spam her skills... after level 6, and when she gets enough mana items, and when she lives longer than three seconds in a teamfight. Not a good trade. Forcing one of the squishiest champions in League to get close to the frontline to get the most use of her kit was a bad idea. Kench was actually a fairly good pick... top, mid, and jungle. When the frog was strong, very few actually took him support because he could be so much more powerful with solo gold. Then his kit got nerfed and trimmed down to fit him into the support role, where nearly everyone abandoned him. Hell, he's not even popular among support mains. Taric is actually quite strong and able to duel down solo laners as a support... in the late game after he's gotten some armor items together. A lot of matches tend not to reach that point. He's a late game support, which is kind of like saying he's sunblock that's only meant to be worn at night. Supports are at their most vital in the laning phase, so Taric's power curve is the complete opposite of what it's supposed to be. Maybe they made him into a top laner and just never told anyone.
> [{quoted}](name=BastionKross,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEfNua1,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-17T16:21:32.087+0000) > owever, Sona gets to spam her skills... after level 6, and when she gets enough mana items, and when she lives longer than three seconds in a teamfight. Not a good trade. Forcing one of the squishiest champions in League to get close to the frontline to get the most use of her kit was a bad idea. that's has nothing to do with this, Sona's strength is aqueired at lvl 16, who thought this was a good idea? everything got nerfed in her kit with the exchange of 40% cdr at lvl 16, and before lvl 16 she's the weakest support ever, can't fight, can't poke (that's a big word but i guess it depends on match ups) can't even CC someone since her ulti cd is 140 seconds. at lvl 16 she aquieres the ability to spam an AOE 400 hp shield and something like 300 or 400 heal on 3 seconds cd, but before this she has nothing else Diminuendo has the ability to be relevant but it lasts 2 seconds and needs sona to has 3 stacks during the moment someone does his burst i can't wait riot to see how garbage her kit is before lvl 16, WHICH YOU NEVER GET AS A SUPPORT, i did one game in this week as sona, and i got lvl 16 just before we ended the nexus, are you fucking kidding me? > [{quoted}](name=BastionKross,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEfNua1,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-17T16:21:32.087+0000) Forcing one of the squishiest champions in League to get close to the frontline to get the most use of her kit was a bad idea. high risk high reward, the reward is just aquiered when the game is already decided if not ended this reminds me the Sona version of HON, her ulti makes everyone invulnerable around her in 400 AOE but doesn't make herself invulnerable
: You sure about that second part? If I remember correctly, if you got max cdr, and was constantly spamming spells, you could get it back up before you noticed it was on cd
because you had full cdr in laning phase? we're talking about waveclear during laning phase that new ryze got and which imbalances him
: Oh my fucking god. SHE DOES NOT DO A FUCKING JUGGERNAUT'S JOB. BY THAT LOGIC, FIORA, IRELIA, AND EVERY OTHER SINGLE-TARGET DUELIST DOES IT TOO. BECAUSE DUELISTS ARE FORCED TO BUILD BRUISERS TO SURVIVE.
like i said, i'll wait until you played against a camille then compare it to garen/darius
: I think you need to learn how to read basic English instead of ranting when you don't even understand what I was saying. If Camille is a juggernaut, by that logic, Irelia is a juggernaut. Juggernauts are defined by lack of mobilty. Both Camille and Irelia have it. They're also defined by LOTS of AoE, a la Darius/Illaoi being good examples. Camille and Irelia do not have meaningful AoE. They are EXCLUSIVELY single-target fighters. But congratulations on whining and bitching on an irrelevant tangent.
then it has nothing to do with this thread, this thread is about camille doing a juggernaut job while having other strengths
: Sure, if you consider Irelia a juggernaut too.
Irelia utility is trash she doesn't have 20% max hp shield and falls of late game, her damage is no-where near to be as high as a juggernaut i'll wait until you play against a camille doing 1k true damage every 2 seconds, because yes she converts sheen damage into true damage Lol, Irelia is so garbage right now and we're waiting for her VGU, thinking that irelia is as good as camille makes you a total mongoloid
paisy (NA)
: Well Ivern kept getting buffed, don't remember what happened with the other champs
he received 0 buffs, on release he received buffs that riot said they done it without documented it
: "Camille's not broken look at her winrate"
: Hey don't hate on Braum What has he ever done to you? Besides having a bigger mustache
> [{quoted}](name=Spoofghoul,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEfNua1,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-12-17T15:00:50.029+0000) > > > What has he ever done to you? Besides having a bigger mustache diversity support is bard/braum 90% of the time sometime they even end up banned, 10% of the time it's {{champion:267}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:37}} why nothing is being done for her? even when she was op after the mini-rework she was played one time and lost {{champion:16}} still worthless in competition {{champion:53}} still worthless, why would you pick him? 100% of his kit is his hook, nerfed along with soraka and sona for ranked games, his base stats are so fucking shit compared to braum, and his w/e/r is a joke {{champion:44}} i think riot forgot him at this point {{champion:26}} has the ability to be strong in competition if riot fixes some things {{champion:223}} was a good pick in competition and disappeared after his nerfs
: ryze always had waveclear bro his ult gave him all the waveclear he needed it's not like it really had any cooldown seeing as he used to get to max cdr anyway and it got reduced by spamming his other spells so after 7 seconds of using it it was back up again i would argue his waveclear used to be stronger it's more that his waveclear is also actually a very long range poke tool cuz of the bounce extending the range allowing him to lane really well vs anything which ''outranges'' him And since its easy to start with 8% spellvamp and rush roa we will also easy outsustain any lane opponent if he wishes to do so The other problem is thunderlords giving him a lot of burst very early on Though stormraiders is actually more obnoxious on him But now he can also use CoC if he wants too
you don't get your ulti at lvl 3, and you couldn't clear an entire wave at lvl 6 with ulti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgI8rYXls00 here is the best ryze player of 2011 that played ryze in high elo game premade game, you can see that he never used his R because you couldn't waveclear in early game, check the part 2 he again never used it to waveclear > [{quoted}](name=Spoofghoul,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aFaWHPZH,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2016-12-17T14:48:52.328+0000) > > > so after 7 seconds of using it it was back up again that's so fucking false
: Annie has pretty good wave clear, so does Swain and Lux. The thing is that their Wave clear is slower than Ryze's and Ryze can wave clear AND trade since it spreads the damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aFaWHPZH,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-17T14:36:51.600+0000) > > Ryze's and Ryze can wave clear AND trade since it spreads the damage. exactly, that's bullshit it has to be removed asap like really asap, open the logs and remove this from ryze And by waveclear i mean something that makes the wave disappearing quickly, annie can farm but it takes ages because she maxes Q first same for swain, (does swain max W now?) and lux E can't even oneshot the ranged minions (or can it now with the hp reduction of ranged creeps?) Ryze lack of waveclear should remain, the champ is already strong and he doesn't need one of his weakness to disappear
ZaDahaka11 (EUNE)
: I miss being a kid, when I was younger I was stupid enough to enjoy life
Good for u, i enjoy being an adult > [{quoted}](name=ZaDahaka11,realm=EUNE,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=ToROp55i,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-17T14:33:50.455+0000) > . the older I get the more I need, untill one day I just know I will drown myself in alcohol and whatever. because the only way to be happy is to enjoy less and keep yourself busy, but that's not what my brains tell me. > and that's why GD think they're clever
: Isn't waveclear a skill that every mage has to an extent?
Nop, not every mages have waveclear {{champion:1}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:38}} and not every mages have waveclear at lvl 3 And ryze strengths were designed to be balanced by his lack of waveclear, especially his early game, it should be trash for his late game but now with his waveclear in early game he can survive easily
: Real talk; Ryze will never be balanced as long as Riot tries to preserve his identity
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aFaWHPZH,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-17T14:07:56.333+0000) > > He's a mage > Who's also a Hypercarry > Who has Burst > Who has DPS > Who has BURST per second > Who's moderately tanky > Who has point and click targeted CC > Who doubled dips in items because of his damage scaling off his Mana The problem with ryze isn't his kit, The burst can be removed and this will balance him while still being a hypercarry The new ryze isn't that tanky lmfao, 2012 ryze used to be as tanky as rammus while having the current damage ryze has And with this rework ryze's w has a really freaking long cooldown that can't be reduced by other spells like how it used to be, so i think that's balanced the rework solved many issues, but added a new one: -waveclear that's a huge issue and they added this to leblanc (which they are nerfed on pbe) FOR NO REASON why does his E spreads if he uses multiple E? why does his Q goes to nearby units under E? this is free power for nothing, and it's not something small, it's literally gamebreaking TLDR: new rework solved things unlike previous reworks, and the balance team just has to move their ass to balance ryze: -remove the waveclear thing -reduce the burst of ryze -_rework his ulti_ this one is my opinion but as an old ryze main i'll never play him again just because of this ulti that has nothing to do here
: Ghostcrawlers Article about "Diversity" made me chuckle...
how is he allowed to talk about diversity when riot said that "sejuani had her spotlight"? yeah, WHER THE FUCK IS THE SPOTLIGHT LIMIT TO {{champion:64}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:201}} + any ADC? fucking christ
Pentium2 (EUNE)
: Where are you reading theese things? Is this on PBE?
suggested changes, pbe changes is ulti damage nerfed from 200/400/600 to 150/300/450
Rioter Comments
: Some (mediocre) Mordekaiser plays for the beginning of the season!
CAN I POST MY MORDE PLAYS TOO PLS?!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4X-lcArk5g
PhRoXz0n (NA)
: Anivia in 7.1
I need a response from you on other mages, are you happy about the amount of reward vs counterplay they have? here is my opinion: {{champion:112}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:45}} happy {{champion:13}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:1}} unhappy
: > [{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6BiXQ8UX,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-13T17:08:13.228+0000) > > those who play Shaco are his mains. > > A very small, yet loyal community. Look at his play rates compared to other 50% win rate champs. Yasuo is also played largely by his mains. His playerbase isn't as experienced as Shaco's on average, but the difference isn't particularly huge. Yasuo noobs (1-5 games) also perform worse than Shaco noobs, and those noobs make up nearly a fifth of Shaco's playerbase. They make up less than ten percent of Yasuo's. Play rate doesn't mean anything.
yasuo isn't played largely by his main
RexSaur (NA)
: Ppl crying about cait while twitch auto win games that go beyond 2 completed items lmao.
CLG ear (NA)
: If you don't know how to play AD, just play Caitlyn
: If you don't know how to play support, just play Leona
{{champion:432}} removing 50% of the adc hp with thunderlord+Q+passive tell me more about damage
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-12-16T23:02:35.142+0000) > > find me a Sona game in my history > liking a champ =/= maining the champ > > and i think playing a 325 ms champ that get destroyed in 0.5 sec requieres more skill than champs with no cooldown dashes and ressourceless espcially when you have manage a passive enchent that depends on stacks+the last skill you used > > lmfao are you really trying to imply sona is harder to play than riven and yasuo lmao
> [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-12-16T23:13:56.938+0000) > > are you really trying to imply sona is harder to play than riven and yasuo lmao i needed to bait rexsaur
RexSaur (NA)
: Yeah man playing support and sona is so much more skill intensive than playing the highest skillcap champs in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-12-16T23:08:32.644+0000) > > Yeah man playing support and sona is so much more skill intensive than playing the highest skillcap champs in the game. i agree, hence why i don't play support > [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T23:10:43.406+0000) > > Positioning a thing required by every champion but tanks in this game. > > And in fact its harder for them since you are alteast ranged and they are melee glass cannons by defintion. So? not only they aren't glass canons, but they have one thousand costless dashes and shields, tell me more about being glass canons and being ranged won't help you if you get destroyed in 0.5 sec but tell me more about caitlyn being more skilled Nice try Rexsaur
Tukan Tonko (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qo3q81Xx,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-12-16T16:42:58.171+0000) > > If they don't nerf his ulti to 150/300/450 then he doesn't need it, his late game power would be already fine > > problem is that riot nerfed his ulti for no reason, any player with a brain would see that lee sin issue is how gamebreaking his early game is > Not only his clear is safe (due to again his attack speed on passive) but his damage is so fucking high while he ganks/duel someone > > i can show you moments where lee sin removed 50% of my hp in 0.75 seconds with thunderlord both Q, E and one AA > > riot just nerfed his ulti to shut the fuck board about lee sin, chance that lee will remain overpowered in high elo after this nerf is 99% There is a reason to nerf his ult. Lee is fighter, but his enormous flat damage on his ult + big AD ratio is a big problem. Not just because it can hit multiple people, that would be okay, the problem is that thanks to his ult he becomes assassin with zero counterplay R->Q->E combo, you can't avoid it and in early game he will just kill any squishy target just like that. Nerfing his ult was a healthy change. But they decided not to do it. Dunno, to shut the *** Lee mains? xD
Lee was designed as an assassin secondary that's normal to have high damage And i never saw a lee killing in early game someone with R-Q-E and he would not kill someone with the %hp damage nerf Lee in late game isn't a problem at all, he can't do the R-Q combo because he needs to use the Q to get to you in late game his ulti is used 90% of the time to insec someone or to AOE knock up in both cases nerfing the base damage won't do shit and not nerfing his early game will make him still overpowered
: OP might have a point, but also not a point that should be said by a Sona username
> [{quoted}](name=Social Justice 1,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-16T22:45:46.048+0000) > > OP might have a point, but also not a point that should be said by a Sona username find me a Sona game in my history liking a champ =/= maining the champ and i think playing a 325 ms champ that get destroyed in 0.5 sec requieres more skill than champs with no cooldown dashes and ressourceless espcially when you have manage a passive enchent that depends on stacks+the last skill you used lmfao
: someone is tilted, complaining about 2 trash champions lol
> [{quoted}](name=GlobDaBlob,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=6TyWnMms,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-16T21:14:23.305+0000) > > someone is tilted, complaining about 2 trash champions lol where do you see me complaining about trash champs? i'm talking about their mains being garbage dashing around while feeding 10 kills
Rioter Comments
: America is gonna become communist now
the amount of stupidy in this thread is higher than soviet russia alcohol drinking
Vei (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EVX4hhY4,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T18:02:31.247+0000) > > Priviet comrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZPZvvh6os literally you
> [{quoted}](name=Vei,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EVX4hhY4,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T18:19:18.614+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZPZvvh6os > > literally you XDDDD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tzq_XIAMvs
: Honestly, why is Black Market Brawlers not in the RGM?
bring it back and you won't see me playing anything else Queuing BMB with a friend and playing melee botlaner everyday {{champion:24}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:56}}
: Oh, yes it would. People soon figured out that there was no other competing strategy other than spamming fish-wolves and abusing the fast and infinite scaling AD.
infinity ad scaling was the only problem flesheat or whatever called was a good item to sustain, but i don't know why it would give AD permanently
: For Those Who Voted for Donald Trump, Can You Tell Me Why You Support Him?
it's december 2016 and people still didn't understand that trump or hilary both sucked but at least trump is so stupid he won't be dangerous and keep doing business instead of crimes
Vei (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EVX4hhY4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-16T17:58:58.372+0000) > > should i trust the feeling of one player > > hmm let me think hi
> [{quoted}](name=Vei,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EVX4hhY4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T18:01:32.819+0000) > > hi Priviet comrade
: Overwatch is probably the worst "competitive" game I've played.
should i trust the feeling of one player hmm let me think
: Dear Mr. President-Elect Trump, a chance at redemption:
> [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2n6oNFNj,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-16T16:22:17.467+0000) > > -Ban the Chinese cartoons anime china has animes?
: If Jihn's ult is supposed to be a finisher
impossible rank 3 jhin ulti deals 140 damage if you're full hp and i'm sure he hadn't it rank 3
: Which Sona skin to buy?
i fucking hate dj sona, a friend gifted it to me to troll i would recommand sweetheart Sona for the sexy hands http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCtITiqsXEcX23ky-FReUinA7ldepa07JMdfqWeQZceSzWkS_BracJoKU and it's cheap
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Swarovsko (EUW)
: Omfg thanks I think you saved my life (not literally), will try that order next game
i feel like you're going to try to trade people you have 2 ways to trade, either you think the adc won't respond: you just press Q+AA or you think the adc will actually trade with you, then you press W, use an AA, then Q+AA again
Swarovsko (EUW)
: Skill order on Sona
1 point in E to allow yourself to get more passive stacks 2 points on W in early game to increase the shield by 100% and the heal by almost ~55% 2 points in Q to increase the damage done by almost 100% and 50% the damage dealt on AA, by the way if you empower you and your ADC you're going to be the one out-trading them if you use the W shield at lvl 6 it's going to be Q:2 W:2 E:1 R:1 after that you keep maxing Q and then if teamfights start you stop maxing Q and go for W > [{quoted}](name=Swarovsko,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6AdnRXIM,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-16T16:57:10.875+0000) > > Isn't maxing W and then E better at this point? Maxing E with her would also allow you to not be obliged to buy boots. you keep thinking that Q does no damage, but for a no-target spell with 850 range (which outrange anything) it does quite a lot of damage (320 damage if you hit 2 people) and if you follow by an AA (with your ADC using your Q) it does an other 120 damage, for a total of 440 damage like you said it's risky, but that's why you should use your W
: Totally depends how many enemies are still alive, no?
: ranged champions dominate, you can make it so that melee dominate but you can't really have both even if you make it feel good. However the solution that league uses is that ranged dominates but melee champions have windows of power during which they may dominate, opening said window will require some manner of strategy. This is why disengage {{champion:22}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:67}} is a very strong offensive option against melee champs and why assassins that bypass disengage well {{champion:238}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:55}} are good picks against these sorts of champs.
from my experience with other mobas in dota 2 they have both and the solution league uses is massive mobility on melee champs or camille ulti i really like op's suggestion, and if riot did it i would be so happy actually
Zydron (NA)
: I feel like BMB was just this testing area disguised as an event to test items and the only one Riot thought was healthy is Dead Man's Plate
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