: How can we fix Nautilus discussion?
Spatial peel is less important than enchanter shields now, so he's subpar in terms of defensive utility (losing face of the mountain hurt too). And since he doesnt do damage (unlike other tanks, recently) he's a subpar diver. Lastly, he just isn't manic enough for the current state of the game.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: PSA to adcs: you are not entitled to every cs once mid game hits.
I want some korean streamer to do a trollgame where the adc runs tp to get bot AND mid cs in lane phase, rest of the team just helps freeze for them. Would destroy soloq in such a delightful way.
: Ranged faster than melees
Back when spatial peel was important, this didn't need to be the case. Then supports became ardentbots so adcs had to get powercreeped into being fast enough on their own. Now anyone without some big dive and burst combo isn't manic enough to be relevant.
: What are some of the most painful moments you experience ingame?
Multiple people have that "im gonna fight everything i see and if the team isnt there to back me up I'll just flame and learn nothing" mindset. And they're never near each other so babysitting isn't feasible.
: Playing the underdog mid
Every meta midlaner is stroking a persecution hard-on rn.
Luralin (NA)
: Is there a downside to using Pot of Greed
> [{quoted}](name=Luralin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Osln2EEL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-13T22:31:59.891+0000) > > Is there a downside to using Pot of Greed Only rare cases. Otherwise it's a permanent 1 card advantage with no counterplay other than the other guy drawing it too. Hence permaban.
Arammus (EUW)
: dont you love the kind of people that have no logic at all?
Someone gets mad, tabs out for a solid 5 minutes to pick through an op.gg profile. Finally "this noob barely gets kills while playing Soraka omg we lose gg". Theyre gonna get there SOMEHOW, every time.
Imagine how mad adc mains would get if lifesteal worked like it did in Bloodborne, with the time-limit.
: ADC's need to lose their carry monopoly and supports need to help the whole team.
ADCs werent always like this. There were what, 5 seasons where they were the strategic nucleus of the team without having burst-per-second? That was fine. We need to go back to that.
: I swear you buy the tiniest amount of mr and immediately become unkillable to AP
AP uses spells to briefly match the dps of AD. then their stuffs on cooldown while AD just keeps going. So if you survive that moment, they need their CDs, but AD just finishes you immediately.
: It still relates to the idea of getting behind.
True. The XP system is such a mess that I didn't even wanna think about what it'd mean for this mode. Hence the fixation on gold difference.
: I just recently had a game where I had no support and I had two top laners {{champion:114}} {{champion:35}} and I got level 3 ganked by the enemy {{champion:35}}. Got behind, jungler didn't care continued to farm in the jungle. Our bot tower fell first, as expected, I just tried to farm but I {{champion:145}} was level 9 where as the enemy mid laner {{champion:7}} was level 15. I continued to get one shot by {{champion:35}} since he pretty much almost had a full build {{item:3147}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3074}} before I even finished my first item {{item:3153}}. Talk about XP being balanced right?
I mean youre not wrong but I cant for the life of me figure out what that has to do with this thread. Didnt mention XP a single time.
Rioter Comments
: That's the only way I can play Lulu. People who say she's brain-dead either don't play her, or don't know how to play her aggressively. People who play supports passively are playing them wrong IMO.
Im with this in the sense that if youre support in soloq, you should be aspiring to win lane just from a gaining elo perspective. That said, any monkey can play her passively and be a pain to play against.
: It really sucks that a lot of enchanter supports have a lot of potential for aggressive plays, especially in lane, but they're still generally seen as passive laners. I love going aggro on Soraka, sometimes even with Arcane Comet.
This. But people would rather win than play, so the enchanters are only popular when they're uninteractive.
: Oh how much i despite those "funny" Youtubers rofling over other Peoples Misery. Like a Reallife {{champion:223}} they feast on their Suffering both literally and figuratively (aka getting paid for Youtube Views) Now that im already on League Youtubers: Remember our favorite "positive" Summoner DiscoHeat? I used to love him for just doing in LoL what he wanted, looks nice and chilled, which he is in Reallife aswell. Cool Dude with great Music taste that enjoyed League and also made some "League of Children" of People Butthurt, rude or unneccesary Toxic. But here comes my Problem with him: He more or less forces People to get Butthurt, provocating as much and hard as he can, trying to squeeze even the tinyiest bit of Flame or Tilt out of someone to go all like: "Hey im just playing for Fun and he is toxic lel XD kek". I can only guess that many People realized this as well and this is why he stopped making "League of Children" or more like, "How much can you tease someone until he erupt all his hatred".
Ehhh the stuff he did should bounce right off anyone with a bit of self-respect. I think it was pretty funny to watch people turn into frothing idiots because of an offmeta pick that could still totally do well. Roaming Singed is the only really questionable one I remember, and I'd still absolutely take that over a truly weak teammate.
: Waveclear work for 8.6 or later
I like the idea, but my suspiscion is that the meta will dig its heels in and regress to whoever is STILL able to do the uninteractive shoving after this goes through. And then playing a champ who feels these changes properly against one who can easily shove with a resourceless or low-cost move is gonna get even tougher. Just something to keep in mind.
: > [{quoted}](name=Spacesuit Spiff,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lmj2Jq8O,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-03-07T04:04:15.469+0000) > > Delightful if real. You should try get one of these creations to get unironic upvotes. Uh... > [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lmj2Jq8O,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-03-06T23:49:48.018+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/MEFh7yod-this-is-utterly-disgraceful-riot-confuses-me
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lmj2Jq8O,comment-id=000f0000,timestamp=2018-03-07T04:23:07.648+0000) > > Uh... See i ASSUME youre saying you made that thread the same way, but I doubt I'd have noticed normally.
: Predictive Keyboards write a Gameplay post (or two)
Delightful if real. You should try get one of these creations to get unironic upvotes.
Galizien (NA)
: "They should get rid of this automated system and bring back The Tribunal"
Tribunal was amazing for youtube compilations, not much else. "Brb wife went into labour, dont ff ill be back"
: A Message to People Who Smurf In Low Elo. . .
My favorite part is when they mess up and suddenly get offended that the rest of the team isnt also smurfs that can cover for their misplays. Like buddy, I'm just teaching my gf how to play, I'm not gonna roam mid at 4 mins because you don't know how to play your champ.
: Am I the only one who does not want Lee Sin to be buffed?
Imo let him be all about outplays, too much raw power on the guy just makes him boring.
Aazzlano (NA)
: If two players cannot queue together in Solo Q, they should NOT BE MATCHED IN A GAME.
Would need exceptions for cases where someone gets to plat mmr without leaving bronze by just dodging their promos, but yeah I fully support this.
: > [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EeVEsMNI,comment-id=000b00030000,timestamp=2018-03-03T02:49:40.270+0000) > > Yep. I'm not asking anyone to pretend to not be frustrated. If you're frustrated, please keep telling us! It's important for us to know these things. > > ADCs need adjustments, I agree. We're discussing the extent to which we may change things. We've talked changing their power curves, their base stats and stat growth, their item paths, their top end dps, individual problematic items, etc. We haven't settled on any particular direction, and so all I can talk is hopeful timeline at the moment. > > And again, if that doesn't cut it, please continue to voice that in a way that is demonstrative of how you think the game ought to be change. There are tons of opinions out there as to the direction we ought to take the game on basically any topic we could choose, so keep those opinions coming. It's appreciated. You KEEP saying this. You hear the player base telling you ADC has been a problem for some time now They are doing BURST damage for over 2 years now. It's gotten worse despite you (or others) saying things like "We agree, we will look into it", the only thing that's been happening is the opposite. You released items like Ardent Censor that massively benefited the ADC role. ADC"s were running around as a tanks in front line doing 600+ Crits with 3 items. Over the course of the past 2-3 years you managed to do 1. ADC now spike better and earlier than some mages despite outscaling them in damage late game. 2. ADC are in every game 3. You wont shave any power from their role. So champions like Janna only get stronger because they empower broken or overpowered classes 4. You managed to sneak ADC itemization buffs in a tank rework. How? You buffed all but 1 item (BOTRK) item Congrats! You managed to make a role that should be sustained damage over time to burst damage that is also reliable . Mages meanwhile now fit sustain damage over time much better 10/10 at the pace you move to address ADC problem, I guess another 4 years before you take any action.
As much as I agree, we do need them to find a solution they like. Otherwise they'll just give some massive "compensation" half a patch later and power will keep on creepin
: > [{quoted}](name=Spacesuit Spiff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEAdNB7p,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2018-03-02T02:43:46.829+0000) > > I'm fine if people take jungle mobs if I'm not around to clear them myself, but when they act entitled to the ones I should be doing that's hilarious. Once had a support blitz slooowly try to do wolves, when i walked by and nuked them he afkd until we promised him, and this is real, exclusive access to the wolf camp. Obviously he was wrong, but I've had players slowly taking a camp that I've come and taken, only for them after the fact to point out that they needed 90g for a big item. Oops. Supports don't have great access to gold. If a support is doing a camp, they probably are close to a power spike. I rarely see supports taking gold unnecessarily.
Pretty much. I've since learned to just let them get the last hit because the small exp difference isn't worth the risk of someone tilting off the face of the planet. (That said of all the champs who could justify this because of a powerspike, Blitz may genuinely be at the bottom of the list. This was season 5 iirc, so modern support items didn't even exist)
: Wait until you jungle. Many feel they're entitled to kill your jungle creeps and take your buffs whenever they please without even as much as asking. At least most people don't bitch when you farm their lane after lane phase so you kinda get used to it after a while, but I've seen people who wouldn't even let me (the jungle) push a lane after the lane phase because that was supposedly their farm, and they typed that whilst busy clearing my shit; now those are the worst. ...... Mid lane can be quite bad too, I guess. After some point in a match, most people would come and farm at mid, especially in lower elo where most players focus playing around mid-lane and only really push the side lanes when there's nothing else to do. So if you play champs who have bad clears in mid, you gotta prepare yourself, because your cs/min typically fall off a cliff once everybody gathers around the mid lane.
I'm fine if people take jungle mobs if I'm not around to clear them myself, but when they act entitled to the ones I should be doing that's hilarious. Once had a support blitz slooowly try to do wolves, when i walked by and nuked them he afkd until we promised him, and this is real, exclusive access to the wolf camp.
: Results of the first game are in Allied Katarina fed the enemy Zed midlane 6 kills in the first 10 minutes of the game; middle was down to our inhibitor at 12 minutes. As I grouped up with the ADC, The enemy Nasus pushed toplane and destroyed its inhibitor while zed destroyed the Middle inhib. Game was over in 21 minutes, 17 seconds. I should have known not to let the game go past 10 minutes with Nasus in it. He scaled into the late game (15 minutes) and it cost us the game.
If its norms with a Zed in it, hard to conclude much besides there being a Zed in the game tho
: Is it bad that the support manages to kill the enemy ADC?
The difference between a kill and assist in a 2vX is only 150g. Its preferable to give that to the adc, but not if it means risking them escaping/one of you dying/burning a summoner/getting chunked so you have to back instead CS
Parceval (NA)
: Offer Remake When Someone Starts the Game But Never Contributes (no damage to minions, champions...)
: Hey, if I can weigh in here: Just pinging an item isn't a statement. It's inherently neutral on its own, which isn't necessarily a good thing since you want to offer constructive criticism. However, League culture and experience with *spam* pings has warped even a single item ping into something negative for a lot of players. If you do want to offer valid criticism, try sticking to a constructive statement you just adjust to the situation instead, like: "Hey, Amumu. RoA is a bad purchase for you since you have a much better option in Abyssal Mask. Please consider building that in the future instead" or something similar. If the person does feel attacked then, it's entirely their fault.
This. Item pinging just comes across as impotent rage of idiots losing their fool minds because you didn't build what they saw on LCS last night, unless there's some obvious other context (ie an enemy straight up killing themself on your thornmail). Because that's what it is 99% of the time. And it takes remarkably little to set these people off. When people don't know their way around the item system, they can comfortably get mad about nearly anything.
: exept for her E, she might be the only champ that actually can't AA at times....
Functionally speaking, Fiddlesticks. Im contributing so much here.
: This board would be so much nicer if people learned to detach personal feelings from their arguments
Im sure people write posts that aren't quite so caustic, they just don't get upvoted. The salt is what people are here for
Rioter Comments
Anatera (NA)
: BTW Riot, this whole matchmaking philosophy you got going on...
-Matchmaking is a mess rito is incompetent -Matchmaking is so precise that it can keep everyone at 50% (which is a priority for... some reason), knows who's going to feed/afk in a given game, and calculates all this for everyone I love conspiracies. This is the same company that coded damn near everything as minions and ignored well-known bugs for years. I assure you that even if such a matchmaking system were at all feasible, they'd just make the simplest functional system instead. Which is why matchmaking is simple and we're at the mercy of statistics, not the rito gods.
Naqel (EUW)
: There is no "forced win rate". When you win, your internal rating changes upwards and you are matched against enemies who also have a higher rating than the ones you fought previously. If you keep winning, you'll either reach the top(although you spcifically probably never will), or your rating will eventually cease to reflect your actual skill. In either case, this will eventually produce a defeat, as you are matched against a team that is objectively better(because their rating represents a consistent performance, whereas yours would be inflated by a long string of wins).
I'm with you on there not being a conspiracy, but there is an annoying probabilistic quirk where the higher your MMR gets, the more likely you are to be the highest MMR person on your team. This means that if the teams are the same on average, and you outmatch the enemy team, at least one person on your team is outmatched by the enemy team. And if they don't know how to lose gracefully and end up giving 8 kills to a hypercarry, that's an indirect result of you being in the game. THIS is what causes MMR to sharply self-regulate a lot faster than "you've climbed high enough that you can't handle your opponents". Solution is to stomp your (likely competent) opponents harder than they stomp your (likely incompetent) weakest teammate. And if your opponent knows to play safe instead of letting you snowball, good luck.
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: Three reports for going 26/0/1 in bots?
That's amazing. idk if my bots mmr is embarrassingly high or something, but when i play EVERYONE is just slaughtering them for missions/daily and nobody bothers with support.
Reapër (EUW)
This could be pretty solid in One For All, pick someone like Shaco who can sneak into their base and die without giving assists lv1, all 5 of them bring DH and tp.
: So I just left a game at 6 minutes for the first time in ages
imo best solution is to just put on a podcast and play at a non-reportable level until the game ends. they're gonna be in your base within 9 minutes at that rate, can be kinda fun to play it like a doom bots game as long as you arent emotionally invested.
: ADC is the reason every other roles shine, support is the only reason ADC's shine and make everyone else feel useless. if ADC didnt exist assassins wouldnt shine. so we're left with tanks bruisers and mages where no one outclasses eachother and all feel good to play.
> [{quoted}](name=5647382910,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hu99TAwH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-06T14:12:56.240+0000) > > ADC is the reason every other roles shine, support is the only reason ADC's shine and make everyone else feel useless. if ADC didnt exist assassins wouldnt shine. so we're left with tanks bruisers and mages where no one outclasses eachother and all feel good to play. If thats what you want, play ranked treeline. Not even joking. Its all juggernauts, bruisers, control mages, and occasionally a support.
: no team would have 4 AP damage threats.
Draft pick norms, lee, yas and zed are banned, wouldnt surprise me one bit.
: In my opinion, for Marksmen to be a healthier class, Riot should flesh out their gameplay niche
People would resist this to absurd extents. Add a niche to all of them, the meta just becomes pick whichever can ignore niche logic in a given patch.
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: Can we have a funny "Bot Coach" mode? xD
Like what that last smash bros had? Thatd be funny.
: Found this thing about a predictive software writing a new Harry Potter chapter
This is so perfect that there's no way the devs didnt comb through tons of wordsalad to find the pages full of innuendos. But it copies the writing style pretty well so clearly they did something right
Zaghyr (NA)
: Anybody who uses levels as a measure of skill now is retarded. Having an account that's 4 or 5 levels above mine means nothing when I've been playing 2 or 3 years longer. People will find any method to brag and compare and it's so annoying.
> [{quoted}](name=Zaghyr,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5V57inIF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-12T17:07:30.880+0000) > > Anybody who uses levels as a measure of skill now is retarded. Having an account that's 4 or 5 levels above mine means nothing when I've been playing 2 or 3 years longer. People will find any method to brag and compare and it's so annoying. Ikr. Best ive ever seen was someone tab out of the game and spend a solid 5 minutes combing my op.gg, best they ended up finding was a low kill average on my main SUPPORT
: Yeah honor capsules feel really weak right now. We get a slight "boost" in key frags, but I have read those key frags aren't even extra; they are a part of the set amount we are able to receive during a given month. It doesn't feel like a reward, but it's better than nothing at the same time. However passing it off as a reward is what makes it feel weak. It kind of says become honor 4 and then don't give a damn because you'll get honor capsules same as lvl 5 and you have already seen that you will get a ward that matches the color of your honor level as a reward anyway.
Iirc they clarified that an honor capsule counts as just one key frag in the monthly allowance, despite having more frags inside
: I was just thinking earlier that some of the character art looks like it was drawn by 13 year olds, while most of the art looks professionally drawn/painted. Did one of their devs allow their little niece do some of the Sivir portraits?
More like the older stuff had to be crapped out overnight because they needed 3 per 2 weeks plus whatever skins they were releasing. Iirc they started putting more time into it around season 4, and since then the worst offenders have been replaced.
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