: Yes, not every criticism is well-thought out. I'm just saying that if a good number of people are saying the same thing, they may want to look into it.
Even if it's, "You suck and should be fired!" or other such things?
: I vote for the % changed back. It was a healthier version since tanks shouldn’t be able to kill their target as easily, and %current was what kept that in check, since he did less as the fight went on. I did have a post about it when it went on PBE, but it fell flat. But people wanted it all to be consistent and kept saying he was weak. He was honestly fine before the damage change, but he was released going into a meta where enchanters were strong, and Janna and Lulu could really mess him up. Not to mention the last new champ before the Rune changes. This is the problem with buffing champs in metas where their natural enemy is strong. Once the meta shifts they become the super strong ones.
He wasn't fine and he's still not fine. Revert the buffs and just fix the jankiness with his kit. Currently he's OP because his numbers and max health damage but if he gets nerfed into a balanced state the jankiness will still be there.
Dr Mercy (NA)
: I'm impressed you survived that many Q's before he went in with W
I'm surprised the Pantheon had enough mana to throw that many Q's.
: Maybe try whining less
I don't see how it's whining when I'm saying I suck at making threads.
: It contradicts the old lore quite visibly. Old lore Vlad inherited magic and secrets older than Noxus. New lore Vlad is older than Noxus. I don't think there's going around that.
His old lore could just as easily be the beginning of his new lore though.
: @Lore team, Vlad's new lore makes him identical to Elise. I would greatly appreciate justification
Naalith (NA)
: What if Zoe doesn't actually have Heterochromia?
I thought it was just because of her holding her hand the way she does that she changed its color.
: Support sometimes .........
When No.5 happens I tell my ADC, "Don't worry, I'm a support main." Not sure if it helps though...
: When thousands (although on the boards i would say hundreds, just judging from up votes) have a problem with something, it's best to look into it.
You assume that every criticism has merit and is well articulated and thought out.
: They said he practices hemomancy. Magic is not limited to humans only.
........ Well seeing how they only bring up hemomancy and never say anything about vampires at any point in any of his lore, I don't see why you should think they're turning him into a vampire.
: A Rioter posted in one of the threads recently (I forget which) and pointed out they can't always tread the line fans expect as, quite often, fans will take headcanon as legit intent on Riot's part. Vayne for example was never intended to be 'Batman', yet it's what the community seemed to define her as for almost no reason. I believe Viktor was also mentioned to be much more black and white than the community made him out to be. Also now Naut has a reason for his Harrowing appearance years ago, where he solo's an entire army to protect people he shouldn't logically care about. Now? He's allied with Illaoi's patron, and Illaoi stands against the Shadow Isle forces- the connection makes sense. This is a good thing. They don't even say his previous lore didn't happen, it's simply not mentioned. Riot's lore summaries are just that, summaries.
> [{quoted}](name=SociopathFriend,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7IrsKf7B,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-23T03:53:14.484+0000) > > A Rioter posted in one of the threads recently (I forget which) and pointed out they can't always tread the line fans expect as, quite often, fans will take headcanon as legit intent on Riot's part. What? This has nothing to do with headcanon, he's complaining about his literal canon lore being changed, as in, what it actually says in his Riot written lore being turned into something else. Look at Varus's new lore, it's clearly a complete change to him, there's no reason to not think the same is true for Nautilus.
: No, it's fanart of his old lore. I'm trying to illustrate how popular and beloved his old lore was.
I don't think its his old lore that people care about with Vlad, I thought people liked his personality far more than his backstory. He's like the Joker in that respect.
: They need to remove that first line, I really hope it don't go a vampire route. As of now all I can think of are the highborne vampires or whatever they were actually called from the Witcher 3. Especially the one where you help dandelion get information and then chain into something more.
They specifically say he's a hemomancer though.
: Definitely an interesting shift. Old Vlad was still very mortal, very prone to just giving into instinct, and even hinted at being a little remorseful in the Judgement. This is a big change for him. It seems like the new direction is more about being almost a demigod, with immortality, mind control (quite the step up from tossing blood at somebody), and very Dracula-y charm/sadism qualities. He's never been one of my favorite champs, but I've always liked him, so I'm interested to see how this turns out, especially if he gets a color story.
This is kind of like the later lore of Vlad, one could easily keep most of his original lore and consider it how he started on his rise to fame and power.
Rioter Comments
: I'm somewhat disappointed with Varus' new lore
Made a similar thread but about both Varus and Nautilus and it's currently sitting at -2 votes. Oh what I would give for your charisma MM.
Quepha (NA)
: I don't understand the point of changing the lore of old characters. I guess it's low risk because not many people really care about the old lore, but it's also low reward because not many people care about the lore period. You dramatically change an old character that has a lot of fan fiction created about them and there are going to be a few people that you majorly piss off, and there's not much potential pay-off for it. I don't really understand why Riot does it.
I would much rather they make their stories move forward rather than do the same thing comic books do with constantly restarting the stories over and over again. I understand why they want to change characters that had a backstory involved with the IOW since it no longer exists but why not just move on with the stories of the characters that aren't involved with that? Varus didn't need to be reset, the backstory of the power he had protected and then allowed to corrupt him was vague enough that they could put a few adjustments on it to make it a Darkin weapon and then just move his story forward from what they initially had. As Nautilus says, "Forward, forward."
: Because alot of the old lore was quite frankly either terrible or vague beyond belief. Alot of them had zero story potential at all. Sure this may step on the toes of some old lore fans, but the pay off is probably better down the line for them.
Here's the problem, a character like, say, the new Pantheon, has just as if not less story potential than before his lore change since his new lore destroyed his character at the end. And this is what's happening with a lot of characters, they're being turned into more forces of nature than actual characters.
Rioter Comments
: Voli, Mundo, and Skarner aren't tanks, they are juggernauts, but they are probably the most tanky of that class I'll give you that.
Skarner isn't considered a juggernaut anymore by Riot and he's never been a good fit for the class.
Lovesick (OCE)
: This is the same guy who thinks that post rework Rengar is fair to play for Rengar one tricks. This is also the same guy who said that the Ardent meta was 100% ok. This guy is a living, breathing meme.
Because clearly a person is either right all the time or wrong all the time.
: Riot should enable One For All for a week every time a new champion is released.
They'd have to make it compatible with the new client first. Don't worry though, they've (apparently) been at it for over a year now so they _maybe kinda possibly might_ have it ready by this time next year.
: Brushing aside people who don't agree with you as 'haters' you should 'ignore' is one of the worst ways you can react to criticism. This is just sad. I thought the narrative team was better than this.
Try having that mindset when literally thousands of people are doing it to you and see how long you last taking each and every different criticism to heart.
: Not the Turret changes we needed.
I'm fine with tanks tanking turret shots, they built themselves for it and by the time they've built enough armor to tank like that they're also getting melted by carries with armor pen. What I hate is all the freaking mobility in the game that lets champs just take like one hit, kill you, and then dash out.
: Of course they don't. The Aspects are destructive self centered assholes that enjoy enslaving and murder. I think this has been sufficiently established by now.
Kloqdq (NA)
: He was live for a bit though but yeah he was disabled. It was a meme to have Azir in the patch notes just for bug fixes for like a whole year since his release.
The weirdest bug I've seen is still how after using his passive that everyone would gain vision of his soldiers whenever he summoned them.
Jeddy017 (NA)
: I don't know about 2 months, but they should definitely wait until next year. There is only 1 patches left in the year (7.24) & there's the winter break they will go on for the last 2 weeks of the year & the 1st week of next year. That should give players plenty of time to learn her & Riot to collect data on her performance. Just so long as they don't forget about her because of all of this preseason madness. Though, it's more likely that they'll toss her some small buffs before the break. If they feel it's necessary of course.
Last time this happened people complained about Poppy being trash tier for the entire time because OP.gg didn't (Or maybe still doesn't) update their data after the first three days of a patch.
ChuShoe (NA)
: She's going to be absolutely busted on release in my opinion. Doing 200+ damage on a Q, level 2 powerspike. This champion is going to be absolutely infuriating with her free flashes and item actives.
: > [{quoted}](name=karolmo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7X6s6tVu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-21T16:06:37.654+0000) > > People said yasuo sucked? > > in what world do you live on Did you see how him or Lucian or Bard or Azir or Gnar were recieved? All a higher difficulty champ needs is bugfixes and time and players will figure out how good they are within 2 months usually. Most of these cases tho Riot also buffed them and they rapidly went from weak from bugs to OP as shit.
Revert Ornn's number buffs and remove all the jankiness from his kit and he'd be seen as decently strong and more people would play him.
Kloqdq (NA)
: {{champion:516}} Forgot one. If we count bad as in buggy than we also have {{champion:427}} {{champion:268}} Like Azir was legit unplayable on release.
Because he was disabled people. When he says he was legit unplayable, he means that literally. (Not talking to you but to those who read your post)
: Power does not excuse immorality. The president has far more power than I will ever have. That does not mean it is excusable that he murders me. Change that power from social to magic and the foundation of the argument does not change. You are literally arguing might makes right.
And? It doesn't excuse it for us but do the aspects care?
: So, on the PBE Galio's W now also deals damage
FF20 says it scales up to 60% of his AP and is based on the duration of his W charge.
: To be honest, Zoe's characterization is atrocious
Do you know anything at all about trickster gods such as Loki? This is exactly the kind of characterization typical of these types of characters. Look at characters like Q from Star Trek, Discord from MLP, Mister Mxyzptlk from Superman? What you're complaining about is the entire point here. I understand not LIKING this type of character but you're making the assumption that they're doing something wrong here when this is exactly the point.
: Another loot exclusive skin?!
And it was so adorable too.... and now I'll never see it.... *sigh*
: actually stfu with your " noobs / hot garbage " ads
I feel like the IDEA of the ads are good but that the execution is off the mark.
: {{item:3070}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:163}} {{item:3070}}
They could AT LEAST release some chroma's for them.
: PBE Preview: Ambitious Elf Jinx, Santa Draven, Snow Fawn Poppy
Santa Draven needs to pull the top off of the present he holds out to show a statue of Draven, because, "What better gift could Draven give than himself?"
: Looking good. Shame we didn't see a Sol skin though, a snow theme would have been great with his 'balls' orbiting him. Reindeer Sol?
Ralanr (NA)
: It’s not about being hard. It’s about it being too limiting and unfair. There’s a reason it took so long for Riot to make Steraks Melee only and it wasn’t because of programming.
They could do something like what Dota does where buying an item with a certain stat give additional stats for certain classes. For those unaware, there are three stats in Dota that give multiple stats, strength, agility, and intelligence and there are three types of heroes of the same name. If a strength hero buys an item with the strength stat, not only do they get the normal benefits but they also get more auto attack damage, and this is the same for the other classes with their particular stat. So League could do something similar though it wouldn't have to be auto attack damage but perhaps something else.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: You remember the old Guardian's Horn? Zephyr? That was all the gapcloser I ever needed on champions like Volibear, Singed, Shyvana, Trundle etc. Besides, it was ARAM. I queued up knowing this could happen. I never did mind. Because I knew it eventually would be my turn to play the annoying poking mage. I play ARAM for the randomness (which is where the fun is). Not for fairness.
Then why do you care about snowball?
: Day 550, we still cannot remake 4v5 ARAM games
And remove Warmogs or at least nerf it in some way on that map.
: Skarner in tier 3? I think he's better designed than people like to admit. - Instead of damage scaling into late game, his overall effectiveness scales (speed, tankiness & some damage) - Is effective at all stages of the game. Has decent pre-6 ganks and ofc post-6. - Has a ranged answer via his E and it's counterplayable. - Has a much clearer role than most Juggernauts. Think of what Darius does. Now think of what Skarner does. See the difference? I've been a Juggernaut main for awhile and Skarner has been one of my favorites next to Yorick and Urgot.
No, Skarner is terribly designed as he is now.
Proxy345 (NA)
: I kinda have to agree with this abit because I don't know who those ads are supposed to appeal to lol There is no other game that has such ads AFAIK.
> [{quoted}](name=Proxy345,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TJHzAhE1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-19T23:45:02.117+0000) > > I kinda have to agree with this abit because I don't know who those ads are supposed to appeal to lol There is no other game that has such ads AFAIK. It's because Riot knows what the toxic players would call people, it's meant so that being called those things is less of a shock in game.
: Riot has previously stated that they have problems with OFA in the new client and are trying to resolve it.
> [{quoted}](name=KevinSpacey999,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sb8j6A7f,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-18T22:16:46.686+0000) > > Riot has previously stated that they have problems with OFA in the new client and are trying to resolve it. Which they've been doing for an entire year.
Necrozard (EUW)
: While searching on my memory (before submitting this idea) , **Wonderland Tahm** also came to my mind And this skin indeed does look scarry and impressive ! Good suggestion for the quote , i forgot it was an actual quote of the movie (Maybe Tahm cant have more quotes because Riot would need to hire and pay again the same actors for every language)
Yeah there's a lot of problems with adding more lines for a champion. I could see them having that written in the flavor text for the skin announcement if they did it though.
: Explain?
Uhhhh.... Those religious groups were not in fact always sexist and were not just used as a means of control?
: Oh god what is that. Don't get me wrong, I would still buy it. But why.
Necrozard (EUW)
: XD Honestly , it's both the best custom skin and the best Shen skin i ever saw
Necrozard (EUW)
: When i was looking at his skins , i also realized he was lacking a **terrifying** skin The kind of skin you use when you have mastery 7 and want to scare your enemies (Things like Mecha , Battlecast , SuperGalaxy , Draconian, Mafia , etc)
I really liked the look of that Wonderland Tahm skin from the other day. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/219/632/large/leon-ropeter-tahm-1.jpg?1504558694 I can imagine him saying a version of Morpheus's quote from The Matrix, "Come with me and I can take you to Wonderland and show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." I'm also rather partial to Godfather Tahm Kench too though.
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