Rioter Comments
: Getting real tired of the 4 man tower dives bot lane.
turrets need to be nerfed and if you lose the laning stage its your own damn fault along with your support. its easily the hardest lane to win hard
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Too counterable, her main damage comes from the dropped knives so it's kinda like Heimer as in u gotta wait for people to slip up
> [{quoted}](name=PlanetRekt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2016-11-14T20:23:56.565+0000) > > Too counterable, her main damage comes from the dropped knives so it's kinda like Heimer as in u gotta wait for people to slip up Not in the early game it doesnt.... all the damage she needs comes from shunpo and aa resets
: If her W could grant her a small damage reduction like old shunpo or even tenacity that would be great. Otherwise shes much more fun to play now i guess
She got 90 base health double health regen and mr per level buff
: I kinda have nostalgia for old Katarina (I fear no more flashy pentakills and I only ever got one) and I'm getting slightly frustrated trying to even figure out what her combos are supposed to be now and how the hell you're even supposed to utilise the resets, but I think this new kit is so damn interesting and has SO MUCH potential when you figure it out. I've been messing around on it a lot on support and in Ascension and I've had some super-fun moments with it, some awesome-feeling shunpo jukes and outplays, making the enemy change direction constantly and then escaping ultimately. But then a teamfight happens and I feel like I don't deal enough damage and the combos that you try to pull off with resets just feel so slow. I think the kit becomes infinitely more rewarding when you breach the high skill floor. We'll see.
> [{quoted}](name=Warden of Ionia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2016-11-14T20:12:38.063+0000) > > I kinda have nostalgia for old Katarina (I fear no more flashy pentakills and I only ever got one) and I'm getting slightly frustrated trying to even figure out what her combos are supposed to be now and how the hell you're even supposed to utilise the resets, but I think this new kit is so damn interesting and has SO MUCH potential when you figure it out. > > I've been messing around on it a lot on support and in Ascension and I've had some super-fun moments with it, some awesome-feeling shunpo jukes and outplays, making the enemy change direction constantly and then escaping ultimately. > > But then a teamfight happens and I feel like I don't deal enough damage and the combos that you try to pull off with resets just feel so slow. I think the kit becomes infinitely more rewarding when you breach the high skill floor. We'll see. The more you walk the more shunpos you have. Its not combos its just a whole kit. Its more damage and less waiting except in teamfights where she lost alot of reset damage
: I think it is definitely a good rework, and I hope riot gives the community time to learn and maximize her skill cap before considering touching her.
> [{quoted}](name=Shadow Hazard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2016-11-14T19:40:17.548+0000) > > I think it is definitely a good rework, and I hope riot gives the community time to learn and maximize her skill cap before considering touching her. The high skill floor is the problem
paisy (NA)
: Win rates are a bad way to judge a champ that's just been reworked, people need some time to learn
> [{quoted}](name=Lyke,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:46:25.442+0000) > > Win rates are a bad way to judge a champ that's just been reworked, people need some time to learn Not true. There are 120 champs in this game. I am one of the few to learn all 140 or something around that playpatterns AS WELL AS most of the heroes in dota 2 There is nothing new in this game and if it is new its purposefully explicit with exeption of things like kallista ult or bard e
: Her winrate is a reflection of most of Kat mains.. they were used to only focus on kill and never have to plan before going in, since Shupo's % reduction were equivalent to 2~3 defensive items.. Now they don't now how to get in and out of a fight, they just have 1 gear = go!, they were so focus on getting resets and pentakills that they don't know how to play league.
> [{quoted}](name=WiegrafOfValor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-11-14T19:35:26.230+0000) > > Her winrate is a reflection of most of Kat mains.. they were used to only focus on kill and never have to plan before going in, since Shupo's % reduction were equivalent to 2~3 defensive items.. > > Now they don't now how to get in and out of a fight, they just have 1 gear = go!, they were so focus on getting resets and pentakills that they don't know how to play league. I think the new kat makes you forget how to play league.... noone has this much mobility
: it doesn't really matter where she e's, if she e's to you but you back off before she enters the circle, you can just turn and get a bit of harass before she e's back
> [{quoted}](name=Papa Slothy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000c0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:58:54.358+0000) > > it doesn't really matter where she e's, if she e's to you but you back off before she enters the circle, you can just turn and get a bit of harass before she e's back Dagger damage radius is pretty big.... its really not easy to avoid with out boots and she can still do competate damage.... E W Q E E is ALOT of damage. Your gonna get hit by one of those daggers if you trade back and kat can avoid alot of that damage through avoiding it through shunpo. You also use mana to trade early game and her high base mr health and general avoidance through shunpo make it hard to kill her in one mana pool
: to avoid all her damage you just have to stay out of the dagger circles
> [{quoted}](name=Papa Slothy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:54:30.503+0000) > > to avoid all her damage you just have to stay out of the dagger circles not exactly.... u shouldnt be eing to the daggers because you lose e damage
: shes alright, really easy to play against though
> [{quoted}](name=Papa Slothy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:50:18.058+0000) > > shes alright, really easy to play against though not so sure about that
: You think her opponents don't have enough counterplay to her daggers?
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:43:27.325+0000) > > You think her opponents don't have enough counterplay to her daggers? Its not the daggers that are the problem. She can e her opponent in short succession 3 times. U e to the opponent and pick up the daggers. The e is an auto attack reset and she has very high base health. She also has 3 e's can choose at ANY point to disengage to win the trade. Not to mention she can e anywhere around u so shes not easy to hit when she e w's with huge ms if (as most mid laners have) cc on a skillshot > [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:43:27.325+0000) > > You think her opponents don't have enough counterplay to her daggers? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ooZYoHR9qM here u go
: You think her opponents don't have enough counterplay to her daggers?
: I actually like it a lot. There's a lot to re-learn, but I can see so much potential in her kit now, both for her to outplay her opponents and for her opponents to outplay her. I'm generally not a huge fan of the term "outplay", because it's often very one-sided (the champion has options to use their kit to make an opponent ineffective), but Kat actually looks like it works both ways with her. That said, I've only seen her in a couple of games (she's often been banned), and played her myself a handful of times so far, so these are only my early impressions.
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-11-14T16:48:18.937+0000) > > I actually like it a lot. > There's a lot to re-learn, but I can see so much potential in her kit now, both for her to outplay her opponents and for her opponents to outplay her. > > I'm generally not a huge fan of the term "outplay", because it's often very one-sided (the champion has options to use their kit to make an opponent ineffective), but Kat actually looks like it works both ways with her. > > That said, I've only seen her in a couple of games (she's often been banned), and played her myself a handful of times so far, so these are only my early impressions. Idk bro... ive played quite a few kat games and it looks one sided for her especially early game
DDasani (NA)
: I love the new kat. I havent played her myself but I've seen voyboy play her aloy and he loves her and even found a way to get a double proc on shunpo
> [{quoted}](name=DDasani,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-14T16:37:48.081+0000) > > I love the new kat. I havent played her myself but I've seen voyboy play her aloy and he loves her and even found a way to get a double proc on shunpo Splain?
Xeruon (NA)
: Most importantly; she takes skill now. You have to plan out your assassinations, rather than simply waiting for the enemy team to blow their CC, then facerolling. I can respect that.
> [{quoted}](name=Xeruon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-14T16:37:36.435+0000) > > Most importantly; she takes skill now. You have to plan out your assassinations, rather than simply waiting for the enemy team to blow their CC, then facerolling. I can respect that. I think this game isnt mechanically hard relative to games like smashbros and streetfighter. The "hardest" display of skill is buffering defensive options to deal with unavoidable scenarios. I think mobility always has a clear use case and i think there are only so many ways katarina can use daggers without giving up carry potential Ex. I think q w e in e out gives up waaayyy to much damage for how little it offers
: I think the new Kat is fun in a lot of ways, and does keep in line with her old kit. However, a big problem I have is the same problem that many of the assassin updated champions have, not Kat focused. Though a part of me still wishes that they gave me a reason to auto attack more on her.
> [{quoted}](name=Keira Helsh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kVjPEgEx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-14T16:40:09.510+0000) > > I think the new Kat is fun in a lot of ways, and does keep in line with her old kit. However, a big problem I have is the same problem that many of the assassin updated champions have, not Kat focused. Though a part of me still wishes that they gave me a reason to auto attack more on her. Shunpo is now an auto attack reset!!!!
Rioter Comments
Eggbread (NA)
: I don't know what to tell ya. It's a damn good item, that's for sure, but there are some other items in LoL right now that are about the same, like the Hydra family line, Rylai's, Edge of Knight, etc. Redemption isn't busted. Just effective.
> [{quoted}](name=The Toast Lord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WE3B9kHf,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-11-13T04:12:23.839+0000) > > I don't know what to tell ya. It's a damn good item, that's for sure, but there are some other items in LoL right now that are about the same, like the Hydra family line, Rylai's, Edge of Knight, etc. > > Redemption isn't busted. Just effective. its the new ruinic bulwark.... you heard it here
: You're the kind of idiot that thinks Karma's Q+R is op cause you stand in the circle.
> [{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WE3B9kHf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-13T03:52:56.778+0000) > > You're the kind of idiot that thinks Karma's Q+R is op cause you stand in the circle. nope..... its a really busted heal plain an simple
Eggbread (NA)
: Actually, it wouldn't. Look at Dagon and Urn of Shadows. Or Refresher Orb. Or... you know what, I don't wanna list basically every Dota complete item.
> [{quoted}](name=The Toast Lord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WE3B9kHf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-13T04:01:03.064+0000) > > Actually, it wouldn't. Look at Dagon and Urn of Shadows. oooooorrrr. Urn of shadows has an average cast range requires you to be around dying champions and while also a good stat stick doesnt allow in combat healing. Which is the only reason why medalion is a competitive item with it early game. Urn provides out of fight effectiveness for defense while medallion provides in fight defense. Also urn stacks arent garunteed but the stats are still good. Still THIS ITHAS A BS CAST RANGE its soooo cheap its massively more effective than either of those items and its unpredicatable when its gonna be cast since the user can even wait until they die to cast it in a massively large radius. YES THIS ITEM IS BUSTED
PalPlays (NA)
: Don't forget that there is a 2.5 second delay....TOTALLY busted.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=PalPlays,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WE3B9kHf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-13T02:26:26.893+0000) > > Don't forget that there is a 2.5 second delay....TOTALLY busted.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} dont forget that the delay means almost nothing to your teamates since the radius is so large.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) >where do i blatantly disrespect people. What I want to know is how you genuinely can't see that almost everything you said was disrespectful/flaming/insulting. > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) > As for "quit now u cock" we had played against a potentially scripting ezreal (in which i encouraged my team we can beat him ayway) and another ez we were up against immediately after had a sketchy account. NOTE: 'POTENTIALLY' scripting. Just because someone's good/better than you does NOT mean that they're automatically scripting trash and should not be treated as such. > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) >there is no place for people who like to **ruin people's days by persistently flaming and tilting over mistakes in chat** in league of legends FTFY
i can promise you "dont be pussies go in for me" wasnt taken negatively. If you have the context of the game its solid advice.... im telling them in very short order if u go in ill carry which is less time typing and more to the point
: > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) >where do i blatantly disrespect people. What I want to know is how you genuinely can't see that almost everything you said was disrespectful/flaming/insulting. > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) > As for "quit now u cock" we had played against a potentially scripting ezreal (in which i encouraged my team we can beat him ayway) and another ez we were up against immediately after had a sketchy account. NOTE: 'POTENTIALLY' scripting. Just because someone's good/better than you does NOT mean that they're automatically scripting trash and should not be treated as such. > [{quoted}](name=StevoTheCreator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:25:15.699+0000) >there is no place for people who like to **ruin people's days by persistently flaming and tilting over mistakes in chat** in league of legends FTFY
> [{quoted}](name=OnlyBourger14,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=aVW4dcoV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-05T21:38:50.835+0000) > > What I want to know is how you genuinely can't see that almost everything you said was disrespectful/flaming/insulting. > > NOTE: 'POTENTIALLY' scripting. Just because someone's good/better than you does NOT mean that they're automatically scripting trash and should not be treated as such. > > FTFY exepct i dont ruin peoples days.... i dont flame i coach. there is a big difference. nowhere do i directly attack a persons character or be derogatory towards them and if i am
: Game 1 StevoTheCreator: take the damnatower StevoTheCreator: u got the kill StevoTheCreator: WHAT StevoTheCreator: ARE U DOING StevoTheCreator: omg StevoTheCreator: dude StevoTheCreator: u fed her the kil StevoTheCreator: not me StevoTheCreator: IF U HIT TOWER StevoTheCreator: IONSTEAD OF MINIONS StevoTheCreator: WE WOULD HAVE NOT HAD THAT PROBVLE StevoTheCreator: LOOOL StevoTheCreator: hes a salty noob StevoTheCreator: GET TOWER StevoTheCreator: GET TOWERT StevoTheCreator: IT WAS FOR FIRST TOWER StevoTheCreator: NOT FOR KILL StevoTheCreator: stop being salty StevoTheCreator: dont bitch about me taking cs StevoTheCreator: u gave uypo StevoTheCreator: WHNE I GABVE IT TO YOU FOR FREE StevoTheCreator: daerius StevoTheCreator: your doing nothing StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: \this darius StevoTheCreator: gibving up towers StevoTheCreator: liek candy StevoTheCreator: kid StevoTheCreator: your duo StevoTheCreator: thinks he can carry this game StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: i literally secured StevoTheCreator: first tower StevoTheCreator: and a kill for top StevoTheCreator: and he bitched at me StevoTheCreator: i dont tilt StevoTheCreator: for taking "his" cs StevoTheCreator: 2/6/3 StevoTheCreator: say it right StevoTheCreator: NOOOBS StevoTheCreator: GG StevoTheCreator: LOOL StevoTheCreator: DARIUS TP StevoTheCreator: u understimate StevoTheCreator: how bad StevoTheCreator: this darius StevoTheCreator: fucked up top StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: loool StevoTheCreator: dude StevoTheCreator: all u StevoTheCreator: u didnt take StevoTheCreator: the free first tower i gabe u Game 2 StevoTheCreator:dumb ass j4 lol StevoTheCreator: COME MID StevoTheCreator: listne to your teamates StevoTheCreator: or lsoe j4 StevoTheCreator: HE HAS NO BOOTS StevoTheCreator: FOR FUCKS SAJKE StevoTheCreator: WARD StevoTheCreator: gg jh4 StevoTheCreator: gl homie StevoTheCreator: lol j4 StevoTheCreator: look at the map StevoTheCreator: LOOOL StevoTheCreator: J4 U QED AND E THAT WAS 1000 UNITS AWAY StevoTheCreator: stop tilting StevoTheCreator: its easy StevoTheCreator: wtf StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: j4 StevoTheCreator: 0 objectives StevoTheCreator: im done StevoTheCreator: surrender StevoTheCreator: u trash dont get to decide StevoTheCreator: when to surrende StevoTheCreator: dude StevoTheCreator: what are u doing StevoTheCreator: dont play gp after this StevoTheCreator: NO TEAM StevoTheCreator: NO TEAM StevoTheCreator: NO TEAM StevoTheCreator: why didnt u surrender StevoTheCreator: if your not gonna try StevoTheCreator: WTF StevoTheCreator: ARE U DOING BARON StevoTheCreator: BRAUM StevoTheCreator: GO HELP BOT StevoTheCreator: its gg StevoTheCreator: go in for me StevoTheCreator: u pussies StevoTheCreator: so i dont take damage StevoTheCreator: u want your only damage to die? StevoTheCreator: FIGHT StevoTheCreator: NO TEAM StevoTheCreator: NO TEAM StevoTheCreator: surrender StevoTheCreator: plz StevoTheCreator: stop wasting my time StevoTheCreator: why are u guys StevoTheCreator: still playing this game StevoTheCreator: we shoulda surrendered a while ago StevoTheCreator: fucking waste more time StevoTheCreator: dont get diamond harder StevoTheCreator: GOOOO StevoTheCreator: IN StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: u mean StevoTheCreator: bad ulti StevoTheCreator: gp StevoTheCreator: u have to learn StevoTheCreator: how to not take damage StevoTheCreator: before u can play that champ Game 3 StevoTheCreator: bad ult StevoTheCreator: wtf StevoTheCreator: what aer u people doing StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: no StevoTheCreator: u saw hec StevoTheCreator: a yeat agop StevoTheCreator: so shut the fuyck uo StevoTheCreator: and make a play happen StevoTheCreator: or its gg StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: its voer StevoTheCreator: its gg StevoTheCreator: LOOOL StevoTheCreator: no team StevoTheCreator: at all StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: why arent u taking bot tower StevoTheCreator: WHY ARENT U BOT RIGHT NOW StevoTheCreator: U NOOBS StevoTheCreator: its gg StevoTheCreator: peace kennen StevoTheCreator: what a jkooke StevoTheCreator: i think u mean u are StevoTheCreator: gg StevoTheCreator: bg StevoTheCreator: lol StevoTheCreator: can we surrender StevoTheCreator: why waste more time StevoTheCreator: i dont care StevoTheCreator: i dont have patience StevoTheCreator: this game is over StevoTheCreator: its literally a troll fest StevoTheCreator: from here until diamond 3 StevoTheCreator: lol StevoTheCreator: bg StevoTheCreator: \none of u fucks want to listen to me StevoTheCreator: yea right StevoTheCreator: ziggs w StevoTheCreator: is gg StevoTheCreator: GOOO I wonder where you were toxic..I went ahead and took out the non-toxic ones You should review this
except you have no context. some of these are sarcastic and i always PLAY my best. No matter what negative shit APEARS in the chat
Rioter Comments
: I'm literally so hyped for Solo/Duo Q
yea....duo que.... great? fuck duo que they should have never brought it back. Its the only reason i will never support as a solo player
Zetto (NA)
: To anyone concerned about akali/fizz/shaco regarding their upcoming preseason changes.
Urgot is not bad at all.... Hes very very strong he just has specific use cases. He is particularly effective against wave clear champs like lux xerath ziggs viktor. And somewhat good against assassins. he cannot roam at all though so you must play around the urgot instead of urgot playing around u
LankPants (OCE)
: I'm super disappointed with the way PR has been handled with this rework. Ricklessabandon made a couple of posts on the PBE boards in the first 5 minutes after it went live onto the PBE, the second he realised that the community sentiment for the rework was overwhelmingly negative he went radio silent and refused to talk to the community at all. He has not addressed any of the concerns that Akali players have at all, occasionally he tweets out some BS about how great his rework will be, but he'll never respond to a negative tweet at him. The guy handles criticism like a 5 year old. He shuts himself away and denies it exists. That is not good enough for someone working on reworks. A lot of the criticism he received was constructive, by ignoring it he's dooming his rework to failure.
> [{quoted}](name=LankPants,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=18rm9IaM,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-11-03T01:23:05.248+0000) > > I'm super disappointed with the way PR has been handled with this rework. Ricklessabandon made a couple of posts on the PBE boards in the first 5 minutes after it went live onto the PBE, the second he realised that the community sentiment for the rework was overwhelmingly negative he went radio silent and refused to talk to the community at all. > > He has not addressed any of the concerns that Akali players have at all, occasionally he tweets out some BS about how great his rework will be, but he'll never respond to a negative tweet at him. > > The guy handles criticism like a 5 year old. He shuts himself away and denies it exists. That is not good enough for someone working on reworks. A lot of the criticism he received was constructive, by ignoring it he's dooming his rework to failure. He took a look at the tank akali thread and made adjustments accordingly. He made ad a viable build again Hes not yet budged on the ult 2s cd and w changes. Thats it
: 4 cubed is 64 :)
> [{quoted}](name=DarkHeadgear,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=bFgbE2kJ,comment-id=002b0000,timestamp=2016-11-02T20:38:22.741+0000) > > 4 cubed is 64 :) Exactly why would u want a 4^3 we need four to the fourth
: This post contains 16 Jhins. You know what to do.
: Rip my free 300 Hp on Morde T_T this is literally my only concern
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEIYUX8c,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-01T16:58:15.838+0000) > > Rip my free 300 Hp on Morde T_T > > > this is literally my only concern ??? elaborate
: Relearning Shaco and Twitch...
> [{quoted}](name=Aqualious18,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEIYUX8c,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-01T17:07:10.440+0000) > > Relearning Shaco and Twitch... most people are bad with shaco anyway.... idk why ex. i never see someone R walk the clone away q onto somebody and have the clone leash back to you so it looks like the clone is you then suprise
: Obvious one would be the Assassin Update. If it's like the last ones, we're gonna have a divide between the broken assassins and the completely unplayable ones.
> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEIYUX8c,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-01T17:17:31.728+0000) > > Obvious one would be the Assassin Update. If it's like the last ones, we're gonna have a divide between the broken assassins and the completely unplayable ones. kat is gonna be busted.... Im not sure talon can lane (again). I will hold my opinion on leblanc but seems pretty neutral at higher play nerf at lower play, kha got huge buffs which he didnt need assassin items look trash and black cleaver is still the best assassin item in the game
: Having to relearn the jungle yet again, only this time it will have less strategic choices since they are removing smite buffs and not really replacing them with anything useful. I'm also worried about Katarina's rework. I'm worried that her new Shunpo reset mechanic will make her too safe / low risk (since it sounds like she can too easily hold onto her last Shunpo and always have it up to escape ganks.) Also, as someone who always maxed W on her first, in worried that her playstyle will change a lot, placing too much emphasis on blinking around (which potentially has less interaction and counterplay between the two players.) But I'll need to actually play as/against her to really know if these concerns are founded or not.
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEIYUX8c,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-01T17:06:02.758+0000) > > Having to relearn the jungle yet again, only this time it will have less strategic choices since they are removing smite buffs and not really replacing them with anything useful. > > I'm also worried about Katarina's rework. I'm worried that her new Shunpo reset mechanic will make her too safe / low risk (since it sounds like she can too easily hold onto her last Shunpo and always have it up to escape ganks.) > Also, as someone who always maxed W on her first, in worried that her playstyle will change a lot, placing too much emphasis on blinking around (which potentially has less interaction and counterplay between the two players.) > > But I'll need to actually play as/against get to really know if these concerns are founded or not. Basically she got a damage buff without losing too much reliable damage and now she has shunpo as an escape mechanic without resets and add 90 health at level 1.... she has a 50% WR right NOW shes gonna be 60 for noobs and 70-75 for good players. Expect heavy nerfs as long as her passive exists Shes really not "hard" you just e to people and walk to daggers for more e damage each time it resets
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LankPants (OCE)
: Sorry to inform you of this buddy, but tank Akali benefits from these changes. When people say tank Akali it's a bit disingenuous, 'tank' Akali builds a single damage item into tank, in most cases currently this is Gunblade, on the PBE there's an argument for Duskblade. If you have just a Gunblade on Akali you lose out slightly on the heal, but you gain damage on the second hit when accounting for Fervour, which is going to be common on tank Akali after these changes. Duskblade is more extreme in both cases, but the damage gets very high when you account for the fact that you're likely to slot an Edge of Night somewhere into your build and once again Fervour. Tank Akali is likely to have more AD than assassin Akali with the way the new masteries and items are going. The AD buff to the second half of her passive outweighs the nerf to the first portion drastically. Tank Akali is improved by these changes, less so than assassin, but it was already better so it's likely that it is still better. I'd expect the best build on Akali after these changes to be something like Duskblade>GA,Sunfire and Edge of Night>SV/GB
> [{quoted}](name=LankPants,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l1GQcakq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-29T03:17:40.554+0000) > > Sorry to inform you of this buddy, but tank Akali benefits from these changes. When people say tank Akali it's a bit disingenuous, 'tank' Akali builds a single damage item into tank, in most cases currently this is Gunblade, on the PBE there's an argument for Duskblade. > > If you have just a Gunblade on Akali you lose out slightly on the heal, but you gain damage on the second hit when accounting for Fervour, which is going to be common on tank Akali after these changes. Duskblade is more extreme in both cases, but the damage gets very high when you account for the fact that you're likely to slot an Edge of Night somewhere into your build and once again Fervour. > > Tank Akali is likely to have more AD than assassin Akali with the way the new masteries and items are going. The AD buff to the second half of her passive outweighs the nerf to the first portion drastically. Tank Akali is improved by these changes, less so than assassin, but it was already better so it's likely that it is still better. I'd expect the best build on Akali after these changes to be something like Duskblade>GA,Sunfire and Edge of Night>SV/GB re check your math....Assasin akali got the better of these changes and include minor buffs to tank/bruiser she needed a damage buff without question and the bonus ad ratios were perfect for that considering before this passive change she had NO incentive to build any ad to compliment her damage. Now she has a reason to still build gunblade. she unquestionably benefits most per gold spent with a gunblade, The armor pen is wasted on duskblade since it doesnt help her passive damage, e damage is poor, stops her in place, and is avoidable. hybrid pen runes are debatable ill think about it more later IDK on those tbh Yea fervor isnt grasp of the undying and they nerfed her regen via new fervor of battle which FAR outways pre-mitigation ratios on magic damage. I dont think you realize how much a 172 heal is when its buffed by 160 armor and mr and on a 4 second CD. Its a fuckton and thats what we were looking at with fervor plus base value. Now its 60 +.6*(60)=96 with just fervor which is a major nerf if you consider the post mitigation values. throw gunblade in there and the numbers look pretty different but i think the difference is between killing a irelia with no trinity force and a akali with no gunblade takes alot longer. Im ok with this so far. Its TOLERABLE and thats good enough for me considering what we had when this pbe cycle started.
: Not sure why you had to call it bitching. But we still have a long way to go. Overall this is still a heavy nerf.
> [{quoted}](name=DracoMTA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l1GQcakq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-28T22:20:56.082+0000) > > Not sure why you had to call it bitching. > > But we still have a long way to go. Overall this is still a heavy nerf. lol... thats pretty much what i tweeted at ricklessabandon. Im just calling it like it is. And the old passive was attrocious. This one has the passive cd at 4 seconds at level 9. This is a major major buff compared to old pbe. I dont want to do more math but it looks like a slight damage buff from live before r 3 q 2 so more burst damage at the cost of stickyness Bitching is fine dont put such a negative connotation on it.
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: her ult is @25ap now. rip akali 2016
> [{quoted}](name=Whorem0nes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAoy9ZAI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-27T21:17:05.397+0000) > > her ult is @25ap now. rip akali 2016 Pretty much... im ok with it if they buff other stuff. That way she can ult for stuff besides damage
: its not minor. its major. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-efgLugSk
> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAoy9ZAI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-27T22:04:53.509+0000) > > its not minor. its major. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-efgLugSk I agree its major however i wanted to be unbias for the sake of discussion. I personally dont want to see the passive hit live > [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAoy9ZAI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-27T22:04:53.509+0000) > > its not minor. its major. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-efgLugSk Also in the picture i listed everything
: its not minor. its major. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-efgLugSk
> [{quoted}](name=The 1st Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAoy9ZAI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-27T22:04:53.509+0000) > > its not minor. its major. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-efgLugSk I agree its major however i wanted to be unbias for the sake of discussion. I personally dont want to see the passive hit live
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RexSaur (NA)
: Ghost cd right now is too low.
But on a serious note. Its just a symptom of rylais being too strong. When its nerfed well see less ghost
RexSaur (NA)
: Ghost cd right now is too low.
Sooo why not nerf flash then?
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