Pyrosan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=psychicclown,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8uqkXe3l,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-17T04:55:22.119+0000) > > Sadly Riot probably would if you paid them, even then they wont and I highly doubt anything will change with the ridiciouls system. no they wouldn't lol
Look how they promote communist china. It's literally about the money. Hell even lebron james proved that with his statements lol. Follow the money my man.
Nithke (EUW)
: When I ask people what they think about the game's current state i get the same kind of anwers and the argument that comes back the most is that "Riot doesn't listen to us", it really makes sense with what you're saying imo
Exactly. Check out the LCS pregame matches. I literally watched one of the casters brag about he's the reason for the sona/taric nerf. That is stone cold proof that riot is manipulating the game for the .01%. He literally bragged for a solid 3 minutes about it. Hell, SKT and TSM both missed worlds last year, not a conspiracy theorist here but the ironic part is if you look at champs chosen last year and this year you'll see one of the smallest pool of champions used outside of pocket picks from mains - I.e. Froggen - anivia. I'm guessing there is something their CFO sees to keep investing in the pro's rather than conform to all. Is what it is though. If it gets too bad become the villian that you keep seeing in games. At least you'll retain your sanity lol.
Nithke (EUW)
: Poll : Are you satisfied with the game in it's current state ?
The past few seasons It seems riot has swarmed to the pro meta and left everything else alone. God forbid i can't imagine the difficulty of trying to balance lower elo players and the pro's the meta has been junk for the past two seasons. I'm just a plat player but players around my elo are in heavy agreeance when i talk with them.
: Awful tft rng
Correction on this post. Riot programmers seem to be more useless than a lifeguard at the Olympic swimming matches with how completely uneven the RNG system is. Will be posting videos to you tube later tonight after editing to show a complete discrepancy. They refuse to acknowledge every single complaint I've made. This is surreal.
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Aamano (NA)
: does anyone else miss Banner of Command?
Absolutely. Problem is riot is playing the game around the pro's right now and for the past 2 seasons. If the pro's can find a way to abuse something the rest of us pay for it. Adhering to the top 1% as always. Can't blame them though, got to get those Benjamin's.
: ahh the conspiracies that riot purposely wants every one to lose , and punishing people for saying match making is bad {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Thus why I stated to watch games. Blindly accusing without understanding what is going on forcing these complaints is pretty ignorant. Must be from California or New York? Middle schooler or a Bernie Sanders fan? Rather difficult to be that indoctrinated. If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, I shall link you my previous games that I've downloaded and formatted. I will attach a copy of the date and time I sent the complaint to riot followed by the games before complaint and after complaint. Facts don't lie my man. I take it you feel better about yourself calling someone out who has a legitimate complaint? Do you feel better now? Are there any other microaggressions I should avoid for you?
Eedat (NA)
: yeah dude big riot is out to get you. You're gonna need another tinfoil hat lol
I'm a veteran. What I do in my professional life also is in a field like this. It so happens that I've invested time and money into this game to not just sit back. Bland statement from you. You have that much of an emotional issue that you have to slander someone who has complaints instead of trying to understand what's going on? Let me guess, you're liberal or believe in Bernie and santa clause too? You must be from California or New York as it's rather difficult to be arrogant/indoctrinated.
: Placed in lower q for complaining to riot about matchmaking
As predicted. My first game back from taking a break to untilt myself I have a lane going 1/9 in 18 minutes. These games will consistently be recorded and documented riot. You need to either address this or fix this. This is a for profit company so I don't need to explain this any further.
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Kalikain (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EkalbxBlake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5Ec6WjHb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T03:17:29.872+0000) > > Trolls will troll, what can you do. No, white people still using racial slurs for fun will be banned. Thats what we can do. 0 tolerance for a reason
> [{quoted}](name=Kalikain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5Ec6WjHb,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T03:23:25.284+0000) > > No, white people still using racial slurs for fun will be banned. Thats what we can do. 0 tolerance for a reason What you just said is racist in itself. Picking out a single ethnicity and saying anything they say will be racist is racist. Why not say anyone that says it will be banned? Is it bannable if an African American says it? Will be reporting this post to riot to see if they actually do adhere to their own terms of service as it's time to fight fire with fire.
: Promos are flawed, everyone knows that except Riot...
They know. The harder it is for a player to climb, the more inclined they are to buy skins. Good business model if you think about it. Human psychology 101; if someone has to work for something, they'll go out of their way as they've "earned" it.
: Diamond support main here. I went ahead and looked you up. op.gg says you're currently Gold 2. I have a smurf account that's getting consistently matched with players around high gold/low plat. Biggest things I notice out of bot lanes (both ADCs and supports) in this elo: -Don't fight for/respect level 2 advantage -Don't fight around ability cooldowns -Don't know how to manage waves (mostly ADC not pushing/not pushing at correct times) -Don't know champion matchups and at which point they win/lose lanes -Only sometimes punish players for stepping too far up I've had to hard carry so many Gold2 - Platinum 4 ADC mains through the early game because they just have zero idea how laning phase works. This of course is all mostly just lane stuff and post-laning-phase is it's own beast entirely but working on these things is a big start to improving.
Thank you much! The level 2 is something I press for if I have a draven/luc type of early adc as I main thresh or more so cc supports. Usually i'll state before hand if i'm going to hit casters on first or second wave to hit two first then try to freeze and zone if opposing plays safe (pending matchups) or go aggro (also depending on which buff jungler started). Laning is all of my concern at the moment excluding vision control after laning. Ironically enough a vast majority (60-70%) of games won in my elo are from the teams with higher vision scores. This is exluding rotations and other variables. Trying to get players to grasp the concept of vision and it's importance are rough. Asking ADC's to buy farsights to prevent facechecking normally results in flaming. We all will miss skillshots myself included. That's part of the game and one I have no problem with if a player is constantly missing. Just more concerned with macro play and how those plays snowball the rest of the game. If you spectated one of my games, about 5 minutes in you could probably have a solid educated guess at which team is going to win strictly from macro. The fighting around ability cooldowns is something I'm definitely guilty of while maintaining opposing teams vision/vision timers and junglers presumed pathing. Double edged sword on this one when you combine all factors into playing around CD's. Can you clarify on this one further?
: How do you know the enemy support is calling summoner timers???
I ask before games end at some point or in the lobby afterwards. Trying to understand this so trying to gather all facts before passing judgement.
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Hotarµ (NA)
: >Does the report system look at post game chat? Yes. When a game is reviewed, it covers pre-game chat, post-game chat, and everything inbetween. >But it looks like if you report someone for hate speech for post game chat then it takes longer? I dont know how it works. You don't always get the IFS message. It's very inconsistent, so it's best not to dwell on that too much. It's not really an accurate indicator of the system's performance.
Can you link us something that shows definitive proof that riot looks at all reports that isn't the bland statement of "Use the after game report features to report someone"? Please don't spread information that is deceiving. The amount of games played per day, with how many reports there are is not possible for riot employees to cover and review every single one of them. I posted before of a mathematical equation showing how it is impossible. If riot has put something out proving they check every report then I gracefully apologize in advance. I have yet to see it though and I'm not one to blindly believe without facts. "Trust but verify".
y0r1ck (NA)
: Proof Words Can Have Ruinous Consequences
If one person finds something offensive while another person does not, that therefor proves that offense is subjective. It is not riots job to determine who to cater too. Violating one persons rights because someone is not emotionally stable is a double edged sword and vice versa. Like the person above me said, if riot wanted to kill two birds with one stone, fix the matchmaking and trolling. That is the key reason for the toxic community but it'll hit their bottom dollar if it's corrected. Best to turn a blind eye in this business model.
Jo0o (NA)
: Why do trolls exist? Because they successfully provoke people into feeding them, which is their goal. What did you do here? You fed the trolls. Don't be part of the problem. Don't feed the trolls. The day players like you and me stop reacting to trolling with flames, the trolling dies an ignoble death.
So you must have a serious complex issue? Every post under player behavior you speak as if you're an expert in this field. Doing riot a great deal by putting your two cents in. Looking for identity in a forum while gaining likes from others who dislike players who speak out about atrocities that aren't being corrected falls under a documented mental illness. I applaud your consistency. Ignoring the problem has never solved anything in the history of mankind. Wars, gaming, law breakers, sports ect… Wanting to just brush it under the carpet is a nomadic principal to follow. Allow these players to have an opportunity to speak their mind. Negating everything said is more oppressive and a big form of fascism.
Horızen (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NFZmbEKm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-04T00:34:27.379+0000) > > This is not a good mindset. Accepting loses is one thing, being happy about it because someone else suffers is not. You may wish to consider playing another game for a while. > > Try Guild Wars 2, it actually had a pvp item made from the tears of players. I don't think it particularly matters though. I don't let this have any effect on my play and really it's just a way of thinking that allows me to relieve some stress. I've gotten only one Instant Feedback Report out of the multitudes of reports for toxicity I've sent to Riot and at this point, I'm wondering if my reports are even doing anything. I have such a lack of trust in the system that I've reverted to just going straight to Player Support for negativity in game (depending on the severity). I meet a toxic player in practically every single game, the worst of which get straight into the trash talk even from champion select. When I first started the game, I didn't really mind so much. They called me 'bad' and 'noob', but I just accepted it as a sort of initiation into the game as, in all fairness, I really was bad. Now it's just been piling up over my experiences in League to where much of what I remember of the game is just downright negativity. It's gotten so bad it's not even me thinking: _"Oh, Riven is really fun, maybe I should try her"_, it's become: _"Should I really play Riven? People will accuse me of being toxic for nothing at all"_ **or** _"Summoner 1 is playing Riven. He's probably toxic so I'll just mute everyone at the start"_. I'm not even thinking of the champion as the champion, it's become a personal image in my head of all the players who play that champion and I'm not even doing this intentionally.
Read my post from a few days ago. You'll get a better understanding. 100% in agreeance with you. The system is not right, riot refuses to fix or acknowledge the problem thus creating an extensive toxic community. They won't hurt their bottom dollar to address it. Their programmers are very well capable of correcting those players but automated systems work better. Riot does however look at hate speech reports so just do what I do and use the system against them. Hit that button every time and you'll get more reviews.
Jo0o (NA)
: Your assertions are false, your numbers are made up, and your conclusions are wonky as hell. There’s certainly a point to be made regarding Riot’s expenditures on player support, but this isn’t the way to go about that at all.
It was stated in an example format to give others an idea who are in the same situation of constantly wasting their time when they get into games and it's already over won or lost before it starts due to singular players. My numbers are made up. If you want I can re say what I wrote in this verbatim if you'd like? The point of this post is to get more people questioning riot until they openly acknowledge what in the world they are doing to remedy this situation. If this game was purely free, no money was spent on skins I have no problem what so ever. When people like me invest money who have a background in the real world in things like this then yes, I'm going to put up a fight. Even with all of those hypothetical scenarios, the math is broken down correctly from the original assessment. Riot/TenCent has players all over the world and my hypothetical numbers was just a reference to the NA region. What my assessment does is give a breakdown of what to look for. Specifically look at the fiscal quarter earnings and try and do some back-math on how feasible it is that they invest resources into something. When you read the terms of service, universal rules you'll come across some sections that are rather precarious. If you have any sort of a legal background you'll see something I saw as well. This is a key reason for me posting on here. Almost everything in riots playbook is to "use the after game report feature to report players". If riot comes out and explains their algorithm to how they impose penalties I would cordially accept that and then reassess if my time and money is worth being spent on this game along with many others. They are not legally obligated to do so and not obligated in any form or fashion what-so-ever to do so. What you need to question is this, If riot is not willing to release publicly how they punish per intentional feeding, greifing ect… then there is a major problem at hand and they see a monetary loss if that becomes public knowledge. Anyone with an economics background will explain this further as well.
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wrc (NA)
: DC due to connection issues on League's part
Having that issue as well. My mouse will just randomly stop working about 15 seconds before it "attempts to reconnect" in game or even in champ select mouse will not click any hyperlinks.
: Level 30 gets silver 4 after winning all games
There is definitely something up with this. Watch pro's or streamers do one of their 24 hour challenges of unranked to diamond/challenger ect… they are getting place much higher than this and that's usually with a loss from what I've seen of the streams. Call me a conspiracy theorists but they do ask to provide names of pro/high elo players that are unknown at the time.
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: > [{quoted}](name=ionst0rm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hbX420Zn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-25T23:56:57.418+0000) > > there's always two sides to every story. Did you play bad costing the game? Did you cost those players 15-40 minutes of their day because you refused to play safe? Please don't say one side of the story of articulate fashion then say "I had a bad day". Idk I feel like regardless of how they performed flaming doesn't help anyone.
If it was anything other than ranked I fully agree with you. People are competitive in nature. It's a sport that drives a lot of us. Wasting someone's time gets extremely frustrating. I'm a veteran and can attest to having an extreme amount of patience. Truly, anything other than ranked I don't see any reason for flaming. Players are learning and growing. You put yourself in competition and no matter how the other 4 players on your team play, if you are the i'm going to win the game or lose the game type of player instead of playing safe I feel those players have full right to be completely upset. It's a high risk high reward. You pull it off and win the game for your team you're a hero. You get the honors. You feed and cost players their time and points then you have to accept the bad with it. Not you specifically but a general statement .
: Perhaps they could include a system where consistently bad players are locked into AI or unranked only games for a few matches to get-up-to-speed, or to get them to recognize their actions. It should at least 'slow down' some of the low elo shenanigans and give others a break. I remember playing hundreds of ranked matches back in the day only to have a consistent theme of thrown matches. It is brutal.
> [{quoted}](name=Headhunterkiller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7KfH6ZaE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-26T00:41:19.008+0000) > > Perhaps they could include a system where consistently bad players are locked into AI or unranked only games for a few matches to get-up-to-speed, or to get them to recognize their actions. It should at least 'slow down' some of the low elo shenanigans and give others a break. I remember playing hundreds of ranked matches back in the day only to have a consistent theme of thrown matches. It is brutal. Now that there is a brilliant idea. Like it would drastically clean up players behavior myself included (I'm not longer accepting players who can't play safe and will fully admit to it). Put one tricks with other one tricks. Those who can't cs per the average of that elo are dumped down into unranked. Constant feeding regardless of matchups get knocked down. Bottom line even though that's a million dollar idea, that effects riots income as players are more likely to quit the game if they can't play ranked and feed than they are to be in ranked and be in games they shouldn't be in. Those of us who are in the top 20% of players see this relentlessly. Riot won't address this. They are more prone in saying "These are our terms of service". Would be more grateful if they just had the balls to say "we don't care about players who get endlessly screwed, we care about the money". At that point I could at least respect the honesty. From a veterans who's put my ass on the line I know a little something about respect and courage. Maybe one will go rogue and admit it to the rest of us.
: Riot won't tell you what you can and can't say.
Riot won't do anything about it. Their programmers are rather liberal and only care about money. Stating they are liberal does not go against the 4 criteria context of discussing politics per your own terms of service riot so this will stay up. Matchmaking is broken. They refuse to acknowledge lower elo games. Mass bans/restrictions for those players who are fed up with the system so they start getting angry while riot is reactive not proactive. Not a great way for a company that is "family oriented". They create their own toxic environment then blame the players. Who wouldn't be upset if they are spending 15-40 minutes per game where nothing they did that game matters. Then multiply that number exponentially for all the games others have caused. Maybe riot should come out with a system where if a player hard feeds, can't cs compared to the rest of the players in the game have them lose all lp for the match instead of other 4 players. That would surely fix aggro from players of not being penalized for the faulted matchmaking system of putting players in games they shouldn't be in in the first place.
: Is it possible to report somebody for harassment post-game?
there's always two sides to every story. Did you play bad costing the game? Did you cost those players 15-40 minutes of their day because you refused to play safe? Please don't say one side of the story of articulate fashion then say "I had a bad day".
: Fix the awful matchmaking!
Liberal riot programmers have yet to understand competition. They don't care about lower elo players. As long as they get the money from the pro's and the players when they finally hit the next milestone to finally buy that skin of their main they will continue to exploit it. 2 seasons in a row now I've complained about matchmaking and went from plat to hard dives from players clearly who shouldn't be in those games. Gotta love those indoctrinated programmers who sit behind a computer who have absolutely no idea of competition.
Xidphel (NA)
: Your waste of time then.
Not really. It's like the stocks I've invested in. I don't just throw money at something then blindly let it be good or bad. I stay on top of research good or bad. This game is no different. Riot has accepted my money for skins and they don't yield the proper product and refuse to acknowledge it. I adhere to their terms of service but they aren't themselves and are in violation in one section of it therefor negating it. Thus, why I record and document a lot of things for proof if it needs to come to litigation. I'll never just throw money away for no reason.
: You had a ... 40 minute?... negative experience because of this player, ... why continue to invest more of your time into trying to determine if they are being punished for it. Worst case scenario, you continue to check their account day after day and you see that they continue to be able to play. So you have the impression that Riot is doing nothing. However, they might have received a chat ban and you would never know. At best, you see that they stopped playing for a while. .. You still don't know that they received punishment. It is possible that they just decided to take a break. The only thing that you expect to give you genuine closure would be for Riot to directly tell you that your report triggered a review for that player. Riot has intentionally limited those reports because it inspires vigilantism. I understand that you don't want these people to just get away with it. I agree that they shouldn't, .. but it doesn't really matter that you be in the loop about their punishment. That isn't supposed to be part of the game.
I'm with brotha on this one. I check and document each time this happens in games. Hell, once a week after my work week is over I go back through to see about bans restrictions and keep up to date on terms of service. Riot needs to address this. We all know the report function is just a "feel good tool" and they don't punish accurately and this can be proven if you break it down.
: At the tier it becomes necessary, tbh. In lower tier it's really not doing that much, because people don't know how to *utilize* the vision correctly. Most of the time they'll just use a control ward in their tribrush so they don't have periods where they're blind. (Assuming they get them at all). Depending on how low-tier you get and how good the enemy is at clearing the wards, it can end up as just throwing away gold. It just stops being worthwhile to get a control ward if they don't have an Evelynn.
Couldn't agree more. Ironically I've noticed that in games played, the teams with higher vision scores all around standardly win the game (i'm low plat supp main). Maybe 80-90% of those games. You'd think tracking enemy junglers and objective control would be crucial based on comp makeups would be pertaining but they don't want to spend the gold "pending it's not a full item completion". Would love to see how riot pairs in MMR based on vision. I can't find this anywhere along with the games I spectate.
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Dâk (NA)
: You literally only play support, you could fix the csing problem by playing adc. Or better yet, get better at the game your just stuck in gold right now there not really good players in there so what do you expect 7-8cs/m? How could you expect that to the top tier of casual players (gold). Also why don't you carry your lane partner better?
I prefer support. My lanes whether i'm going top or adc i standardly carry an 8/9cs/m unless a hyper carry is hard fed. All of which i can show you in game. Reply to this thread and i'll invite you as a friend and let you spectate so you can see first hand.
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: > [{quoted}](name=ionst0rm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hYOLauQc,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-30T03:00:29.321+0000) > > Subject to interpretation. Looking at your chats on the forums it seems as if you blindly defend riot no matter the accusation from what i see. Don't care about facts, proof, number of players complaining about the same issues that need to be address. You blindly follow like a sheep. > > Can i ask you a question? Do you believe in socialism and Bernie Sanders? Blindly believing in what others telling you without doing research of your own is quite possibly the definition of an oxymoron. No offense meant. Ad hominem, strawman arguments, oxymoron is a contradictory statment, e.g. bittersweet, alone together. Basically this argument is a personal attack that derails the current topic in an attempt to "win" the fight by changing the game, and incorrectly defining a phrase. Also, grind out more games. That's one of the secret to climbing. Playing a lot, not being toxic, learning from your mistakes, and learning how to tilt. Simple Edit: Forgot, confirmation bias
Grind out more games? Na.op.gg. I have a shit ton of games played. Recently, this entire season for that matter i'm taking bullshit pairing. There is no reason i should ever be paired with someone who can't even get 5cs/m. No reason at all. yet, over 50% of my games i have someone. I get hard camped at worse i'm pulling a 6kda no matter the role (minus support of course). When you try to grind out a weekends worth of play and half or more of those games involve people who feed, refuse to work with the team, troll pick, troll in game (steal cs from adc, refuse vision, split push without tp against heavy engage ect....) then we have a problem. I will absolutely excersize my voice to correct this. Sooner or later riot is going to listen to players like me who are absolutely tired of it. Thankfully for me, I can spend weeks upon weeks in a foxhole and have extreme patience for being in an austere condition so I can keep moving through these trolls while making it where these trolls don't play this game again. That or "kindly" ask after looking up their stats that they don't play ranked ever again or at least until the point they understand all champions and macro play. I will be the voice for the players who get dicked hard by riot.
: Yeah there are massive problems with low elo matching. I stopped playing the game after a few seasons of the same pattern. Same types of things you are talking about. With the other changes they pretty much eliminated my favorite role as well, so the game just isn't fun anymore. It hasn't been for at least a season and a half honestly. I just thought I could beat it. I couldn't. Its always a couple good games, like 2, and then it goes to shit. I like the guys that say they can climb through without an issue. First off they are always like 4 divisions higher than what they are climbing through. Then the game is matched unfairly because they are in it and the system can't account for their skill. daf Its something about keeping you at a 50% winrate. Instead of bringing you to the higher elo, they bring the higher elo to you- but your team sucks ass still. Not sure how it 'works', but after years of playing this game. Fuck it. I'm just on here to see things are looking up or anything. I still love the game, you just can't get good games, so its a fucking waste of time. Not to mention all the political bullshit lately. Trolls have all the power and rioters support them leaving us defenseless and fucked while nothing is done about it. Its a shitshow. Watch virtually any pro streamer and they're are saying similar things even in their elo. Like, what is this game?, or calling it a fiesta. Its well beyond out of hand. In better news, I don't miss the game at all.
Well said and articulated. I'm rather used to people blindly following what riots "said in their FAQ's" as being factual without no verification. Quite refreshing seeing a different perspective but with identical outcomes. If you read my post and didn't go any further back i'll give you this much. When i was plat, I found out i had a diamond friend who lived in my town "who is now currently master tier". I allowed him to play on my account per being asked from someone in a professional field (Cannot specify this), and he got his ass whooped three consecutive games. 3 different reasons cost those games but fact of the matter when i was in G5 and a master tier couldn't carry himself out of it shows something extremely fishy. It was from that point forth i started looking into riot and questioning their methods.
Aneirin (OCE)
: > Riot is punishing me for speaking up about their bullshit system. Kinda hard to take that any other way...
Subject to interpretation. Looking at your chats on the forums it seems as if you blindly defend riot no matter the accusation from what i see. Don't care about facts, proof, number of players complaining about the same issues that need to be address. You blindly follow like a sheep. Can i ask you a question? Do you believe in socialism and Bernie Sanders? Blindly believing in what others telling you without doing research of your own is quite possibly the definition of an oxymoron. No offense meant.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ionst0rm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hYOLauQc,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-30T02:42:21.017+0000) > > Negative. What i'm saying is their current algorithms are shit. Look at players MMR's on any game i've been in on na.op.gg. Vision control, items against laners, Cs scores, objective control. I'm far too used to playing in plat where people understand lane matchups to where they'll just farm under tower if it's not a good lane or they have alot of jg presence. Hell, they understand how to call mia's and buy pink wards too. Something that is quantum physics with what i'm playing with right now. I'm saying if riot wants to pair me with players who are just learning the game and think they know everything and say something dumb, I will not hold back anymore. A proven top 5% player consecutive players to not being able to carry outside due to piss poor matchmaking. Keeping the q times lower in that revamp of the system is what caused this. You can't even deny that. Op.gg has a VERY rough estimate of MMR. I've lost games and had my MMR increase on op.gg. How can you say the game's algorithms are messed up because they don't line up with a third party estimate?
Not basing soley off what mmr is saying for the game or that player. I'm looking at stats all around. Primarily control wards bought, Cs scores, champs played, time spent in ranked ect... There is a discrepancy that is clear cut that leaves nothing to confusion.
: If they were loyal, they would've followed the Summoners' Code. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
If riot was loyal, they would fix their matchmaking system that is completely watered down in lower elo which is causing players to become toxic, myself included. Hell, I'm a veteran. 6 Years served. I have all the patience in the world but this company is pulling some absolute shit and they refuse to even acknowledge legitimate complaints. As long as they keep q times low and have an appeal to have players keep spending money on this game they will not address it. The problems of the few will never outweigh the problems of the many.
Aneirin (OCE)
: You honestly think Riot are monitoring your account and altering their matchmaking algorithms just to give you bad teammates, because of a few posts on a board that 99% of them won't have even seen? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Negative. What i'm saying is their current algorithms are shit. Look at players MMR's on any game i've been in on na.op.gg. Vision control, items against laners, Cs scores, objective control. I'm far too used to playing in plat where people understand lane matchups to where they'll just farm under tower if it's not a good lane or they have alot of jg presence. Hell, they understand how to call mia's and buy pink wards too. Something that is quantum physics with what i'm playing with right now. I'm saying if riot wants to pair me with players who are just learning the game and think they know everything and say something dumb, I will not hold back anymore. A proven top 5% player consecutive players to not being able to carry outside due to piss poor matchmaking. Keeping the q times lower in that revamp of the system is what caused this. You can't even deny that.
: i mean you are playing play making champions. maybe toss out janna and karma and put blitz and zyra to your pool.that might help a bit
Blitz in this elo i wouldn't trust as far as i could trust throwing rosie o'donnell into the air. You've looked my stats up so you can see i carry decent kda's on most champs. This includes games where i'm against snowballing lanes screwing my kda. No bullshit 35-40% of my games i have someone on my team absolutely hard feed like no other or can't get 1/3 the cs of the opposing laner. You'll see my stats are packed with endless vision and items proper to champs in that select game. Look through random games of mine and look at early kda's before snowballing really took off. Anyone can understand why i'm livid.
: I've smurfed from silver and climbed to plat with 70% winrate on multiple occasions across several different accounts. If you are good enough, you will climb its that simple. Message me on League and I can coach you sometime.
Please spectate my games to understand what i'm going through. Today i've had 3 games where we had 2 inhibs down pre 20 minutes. Lanes get their asses annihilated and you can't do anything. Troll picks endlessly on top of that. 2 Games with 5 deaths pre 13 minutes and not a single game has gone by where i haven't doubled someone cs on my team. I play support i get adc's that don't know how to last hit or poke. I play other lanes i get someone who doesn't understand the macro at all. Add me as a friend and watch ranked. IF you can advise me on how to play around teams that troll and feed like no other i'll take whatever advise. Until that point it's continuing to flame riot until they address this.
: and you did less dmg than vel'koz with 4 cs/min, barely more than your silver opponents I'd expect someone 2 divisions down to do a little better than 5/3/9
Did you watch any of the games i reference? Even with good positioning, a mid range ad with 2 hard engages and heavy poke can only do so much while other lanes are snowballing.
: in lower elo, i dont think its the matchmaking that sucks, its just that player skill isnt consistent and any slight thing can make them a god/make them suck and riot cant know who is "in a bad mood" to place them in good matchup, while in higher elo, i dont think its at that lvl (btw im not high elo and never ben in it)
Trust me it's the matchmaking. I've yet to see a game where all 10 players hover around the same skill level. Once riot made the q times lower for the solo laners so they didn't have to face 5-10 minute timers to get into games it watered the system down horribly. Is what it is. Another company that pull some serious bullshit to gain a bigger fan base when the game is slowly going down the drain. Shit, I'm a veteran. I have all the patience in the world. For how they treat their consumers i have no patience for and will tip toe their terms until they violate it then it's full on having fun. Each new game i start out fresh. Unless i see solo laners both picking AD champs into rammus/mundo then i make sure to let them know to never do that again.
: yea, i hate the matchmaking system.. it always pairs you with teamates who cause you to lose.
Look at my games online, I lose lane once maybe every 50th game or unless i take a hard camp. Look at teammates paired with. Riot is punishing me for speaking up about their bullshit system. I play on my buddies account at his house who's p3 and i have no problems. games are even. No problems what so ever on his account. Mine, endless bullshit.
Kei143 (NA)
: How can you not carry when you are that far ahead? Maybe you laning is good, but your macros suck? Or maybe you were boosted.
You're right my macro play sucks. Always have top vision scores, always 100 + when i'm support. Most vision score when i AD as well keeping farsights on objectives when team refuses vision. Wave managment is piss poor as well in slow pushing lanes to force 4v5's. I know nothing of the macro to this game. Someone over half my games have a hard hard feeder or someone that should not be in that game. My skill level is around high gold low plat yet you can't outplay when you have two players split pushing without tp and all 5 bum rushing mid for one example.
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Aneirin (OCE)
: > Name any business at all where a consumer spend their time and money at a place of business and get sub par services You don't pay money for the game or the service
So buying skins and champs back in the day doesn't count as spending money? If they accept money they are liable. Yet i just had another game where i double my entire teams cs as adc having just short of 10cs/m and still lose from team feeding their ass off and not understanding the game. You may want to take some business law classes. When the california based company sold out to tencent you may want to read the provisions behind it fyi.
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