: Forcing people to watch LCS for rewards....
i 100% agree with the OP.. however. go ten games without afking or, 5 games without getting reported.. shouldn't be "rewarded", your reward for those is not getting banned. and a vison score of 20 is really low, 5 games with a vision score of 50 would be more acceptable
Dr Dog (NA)
: tiamat nerfs fun, because shaco needs more indirect nerfs right
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1bgnUyNy,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-12-11T15:11:02.404+0000) > > tiamat nerfs fun, because shaco needs more indirect nerfs right your right... he doesn't need more indirect nerfs... he needs more DIRECT nerfs
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Tiamat nerf planned by Riot
LOL.. i play two junglers... {{champion:19}} and {{champion:76}} {{champion:19}} is perfectly fine in every elo, and does not need any sort of buff, and is already toeing the lane for bring kinda OP and {{champion:76}} is in SERIOUS need of buffs. easily needing +2% winrate in every single elo of course their buffing {{champion:19}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} I PLAY WARWICK he is fine I DONT WANT MY ONLY VIABLE JUNGLER BANNED OUT BECAUSE U BUFFED HIM FOR NO REASON. and yes i understand that a {{item:3077}} nerf would certainly effect him. and i can understand him getting some slight compensation for that. but {{champion:76}} literally lost 2% winrate on a nerf not even directed at her. and this make her complete trash for about 90% of the population. and even in the top 10% she is still worse than 20+ other jungle picks
: > [{quoted}](name=SwiftKitten88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gd8QPPVM,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-11T04:05:39.242+0000) > > yeah and mobility creep is {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:555}} > > i mean sure there are old champions that have mobility issue > > YOUR SUPPOSED TO LEARN FROM THAT > > thats why {{champion:238}} was giving a timer before he could go back to his shadow > > > i mean does ne1 else remember {{champion:421}} 's release > > everyone was screaming about how she was too mobile > > now we literally have champions what can dash like 5 times in 2 seconds {{champion:39}} > > and champion who LITERALLY ignore walls {{champion:141}} . > > riot does not learn from mistakes, they didn't learn jack shit from season 6's dynamic boost fiasco. > > and while i do have to give them credit where credit is do. u can rest assure that the "balance team" isn't "last on the list" its not even ON the list. > every time they fix a small error they make like 5 more. > > early season 5 was the last state of league that was good. > > and yeah there HAVE been improvments. but each of those step forward came at the cost of 3 steps back. > > and it donest matter how good your art, design, sound, lore, music, or and other team is... this is a game... if the game sucks because u cant balance it. Well then you compnay is in trouble... and riot has been in trouble for a LONG while. > > i see people posting things like.. we dontr have data that riot is losing players. > > as if.. it donest freaking a ta genius to figure out, if if u ignore all your person expereinces with your freind and people leaving.. > > take a look at riots "youtube" channel > > you know what u see? > ADVERTISEMENT > > do u know what riot has NEVER BEFORE needed to do? > > ADVERTISE. > > because in season 3, season 4... anyone and EVERYONE was playing this game and telling their friends to play, their family to play. > > in fact my sister brought me here in season 3. all her friends played it. and my own IRL friend were also trying to get my to join. > > you know what i hear about this game now... not JUST on the forums, but in REAL LIFE talking to people? > > " oh yeah i played league... it was gret but then they ruined it" > > my freinds my, co-workers.. my cousins my sister, her freinds.. none of them play league anymore. > > none of the "recommend" league anymore. > > u even heard streamers yelling about how they want to quit and they hate this game now but they cant because this is how they make their living. > > league is a joke. > > and riot knows it... and yet the STILL change nothing. > > it donest matter how mnay outside of the game behind the scene imprivments u make... > > if the game isnt FUN. no one is going to play it, those who are are going to leave... . > > and u know what.. these forums have never really been much a place for civil discussion but.. if u say something now, you are pretty damn likely to get player who never knew what they game was like in previous seasons. > > because those people unlike me... were smart enough to leave and not come back How is Irelia mobile? It's not very wise to Q into a bunch of enemies. Am I misunderstanding the whole ''mobility'' concept? I thought mobile meant you have reliable ways to escape a situation.
> [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gd8QPPVM,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-12-11T16:05:54.026+0000) > > How is Irelia mobile? {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} {{sticker:sg-zephyr}} > [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gd8QPPVM,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-12-11T16:05:54.026+0000) >Am I misunderstanding the whole ''mobility'' concept? yes.. yes you are.. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: The real "damage creep" is from the dumpster fire that is 2018 masteries
> [{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gd8QPPVM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-11T03:46:17.570+0000) > > The real "damage creep" is from the dumpster fire that is 2018 masteries yeah and mobility creep is {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:555}} i mean sure there are old champions that have mobility issue YOUR SUPPOSED TO LEARN FROM THAT thats why {{champion:238}} was giving a timer before he could go back to his shadow i mean does ne1 else remember {{champion:421}} 's release everyone was screaming about how she was too mobile now we literally have champions what can dash like 5 times in 2 seconds {{champion:39}} and champion who LITERALLY ignore walls {{champion:141}} . riot does not learn from mistakes, they didn't learn jack shit from season 6's dynamic boost fiasco. and while i do have to give them credit where credit is do. u can rest assure that the "balance team" isn't "last on the list" its not even ON the list. every time they fix a small error they make like 5 more. early season 5 was the last state of league that was good. and yeah there HAVE been improvments. but each of those step forward came at the cost of 3 steps back. and it donest matter how good your art, design, sound, lore, music, or and other team is... this is a game... if the game sucks because u cant balance it. Well then you compnay is in trouble... and riot has been in trouble for a LONG while. i see people posting things like.. we dontr have data that riot is losing players. as if.. it donest freaking a ta genius to figure out, if if u ignore all your person expereinces with your freind and people leaving.. take a look at riots "youtube" channel you know what u see? ADVERTISEMENT do u know what riot has NEVER BEFORE needed to do? ADVERTISE. because in season 3, season 4... anyone and EVERYONE was playing this game and telling their friends to play, their family to play. in fact my sister brought me here in season 3. all her friends played it. and my own IRL friend were also trying to get my to join. you know what i hear about this game now... not JUST on the forums, but in REAL LIFE talking to people? " oh yeah i played league... it was gret but then they ruined it" my freinds my, co-workers.. my cousins my sister, her freinds.. none of them play league anymore. none of the "recommend" league anymore. u even heard streamers yelling about how they want to quit and they hate this game now but they cant because this is how they make their living. league is a joke. and riot knows it... and yet the STILL change nothing. it donest matter how mnay outside of the game behind the scene imprivments u make... if the game isnt FUN. no one is going to play it, those who are are going to leave... . and u know what.. these forums have never really been much a place for civil discussion but.. if u say something now, you are pretty damn likely to get player who never knew what they game was like in previous seasons. because those people unlike me... were smart enough to leave and not come back
: Everyone is biased for their own role/champions. It's impossible not to be
> [{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wF23EE88,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-10T14:05:25.917+0000) > > Everyone is biased for their own role/champions. It's impossible not to be you can play a champion and tell if its broken or not... its HARD.. its not "impossible". the issue is when you get really good at something it becomes harder to tell if your winning just because you GOOD at it or because they broke it. but believe me.. its certainly possible not to be biased. maybe not 100% unbiased so you dont care if they have a 40% winrate... but certainly in ways not enough to break the champion in question, or be able to tell if they are broken at least in thier own elo. thats entirely possibly ..
mack9112 (NA)
: How was balance then fun? Kassadin permanent silence Leblanc silence you and kill you Nids nuclear bomb Spears that put Zoe to shame The walking wards with auras that was support The useless top lane that was just about who can absorb the most amount autos from ad The jungler love triangle vi jarv Lee
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V3soxRpi,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-12-10T21:42:46.125+0000) > > How was balance then fun? > > Kassadin permanent silence > > Leblanc silence you and kill you > > Nids nuclear bomb Spears that put Zoe to shame > > The walking wards with auras that was support > > The useless top lane that was just about who can absorb the most amount autos from ad > > The jungler love triangle vi jarv Lee now your just talking out of your ass i didnt say "season 2" i said season 4 and 5. also... lol at the {{champion:76}} one, old nid was never as bad at {{champion:142}} .. becuase nid never had any CC, and nids spears didnt deal AOE so she could farm with them. or hit you if u stood directly behind minions... i mean i get that zoe is effectively an alternate rework of old nid, but old nid was never WORSE than zoe. top lane was like every other lane... there was no one shots in ANY lane. a "one shot" in season 3-5 meant someone blowing thier entire kit to kill you in less than 1 second when u had less than half hp left. that was a "one shot" back then. it didn't mean ACTUALLY kill them from FULL HP with NO REACTION TIME. i didn't play much support back then, but i never got that feeling. nor did i jungle much back then.. but again i never got that feeling... i do remember periods of times were {{champion:64}} and {{champion:59}} were broken as fuck, but not so much {{champion:254}} and i dont remember then being half as long as the periods like {{champion:39}}
Moody P (NA)
: base stats, projectile speeds, skillshot size/speed/distance, cooldowns, effect durations, what effects you get, spells resetting attack timers or not covers most of it
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7tYXEpdA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-10T20:40:09.901+0000) > > base stats, projectile speeds, skillshot size/speed/distance, cooldowns, effect durations, what effects you get, spells resetting attack timers or not > > covers most of it true but there is also the option to not buff them and address the people who are too strong rather than buffing everyone to their level of absurdity.
mack9112 (NA)
: Rengar has done that for his entire existance. He does what he is made to do , this is nothing new. He has plenty of outplay potential.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V3soxRpi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-10T11:36:52.538+0000) > > Rengar has done that for his entire existance. > > He does what he is made to do , this is nothing new. > > He has plenty of outplay potential. u played in season 4 and 5... how can u even say that, or have u just been so desensitized by damage creep that you forgot how they game was back when it was fun
: Possible Changes to do to Nexus Blitz
what is that cute iced doggo icon? I NEED IT!!!
: Possible Changes to do to Nexus Blitz
i agre with most of these but i dont agree with the "remove bushes". and im not 100% sure what u mean my "swap with a jungler" are you saying you cant take off smite and they cant put it on? i think having 4 lanes and 1 jungler would not be a great idea for this mode i also really dislike the "sled" and poro king" events in thier entirety. those are stupid.. i LOVED the old "turn invisble when u enter a bush like {{champion:121}} ulti was for a time" thing they had and i haven't see that again the sled is just dumb
: No way.. Hacking? In league of legends?
this does not look like a hack at all. it certainly look like the game had a major issue. either a error that went live with a patch or something idk. that a pretty big bug though
: History repeats itself, the same thing happening now happened in pre-season 7. The only ADCs who were viable was like Lucian, and everyone else was shit because they got one shot.
> [{quoted}](name=Furgiesan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYlK8LmE,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2018-12-08T19:52:03.440+0000) > > History repeats itself, the same thing happening now happened in pre-season 7. The only ADCs who were viable was like Lucian, and everyone else was shit because they got one shot. ikr i feel like we have to replace "bart" with "Riot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pxG4yd8U3U
: Its more than likely someone whos inting to lower his rank. I have two of my friends who are doing the exact same thing for "memes" sake. They are both Plat/Diamond Elo/rank last season but they are racing to make it to the lowest in iron. Its sad but its true. I suggest waiting to play rank until all the "memes" run dry. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
> [{quoted}](name=Fang Loves Max,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TqNcQRne,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-09T02:44:52.848+0000) > > Its more than likely someone whos inting to lower his rank. I have two of my friends who are doing the exact same thing for "memes" sake. They are both Plat/Diamond Elo/rank last season but they are racing to make it to the lowest in iron. Its sad but its true. I suggest waiting to play rank until all the "memes" run dry. > {{sticker:sg-soraka}} well the guys said they were iron 4, you cant exactly lower your rank if your already at rock bottom...
: I'll be blunt: There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to game design. There are just different crowds to appeal to. A game not appealing to you does not make it wrong. A game appealing to you does not make it right. Diablo Immortal is not 'wrong' for Blizzard to make. Nor is high damage 'wrong' for League of Legends. I have 0 interest in Diablo Immortal and I think the damage meta is probably not going to be fun for me long-term. But neither of those are WRONG in terms of game design. There IS a right and wrong when it comes to marketing. And the D:I clip is a perfect example of 'wrong' when it comes to marketing. Marketing is all about knowing your audience and making sure your message reaches the right audience in a way that interests them. Blizzard misread their audience in a bad way and delivered their message in a way that created great enmity against them. That is "wrong" marketing. There are ALSO right and wrong when it comes to ethics and how we treat other people. That's not even a valid comparison to make.
> [{quoted}](name=Eleshakai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6M5nBpl,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2018-12-08T23:47:36.864+0000) > > I'll be blunt: There is no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to game design. There are just different crowds to appeal to. > > A game not appealing to you does not make it wrong. A game appealing to you does not make it right. Diablo Immortal is not 'wrong' for Blizzard to make. Nor is high damage 'wrong' for League of Legends. I have 0 interest in Diablo Immortal and I think the damage meta is probably not going to be fun for me long-term. But neither of those are WRONG in terms of game design. > > There IS a right and wrong when it comes to marketing. And the D:I clip is a perfect example of 'wrong' when it comes to marketing. Marketing is all about knowing your audience and making sure your message reaches the right audience in a way that interests them. Blizzard misread their audience in a bad way and delivered their message in a way that created great enmity against them. That is "wrong" marketing. > > There are ALSO right and wrong when it comes to ethics and how we treat other people. That's not even a valid comparison to make. how is it any different? you make a game... people love your game... you develop a huge player base.. and then you say "oh we want to grab a different playerbase" so we are going to throw the people who currently playt the game under the bus and run the over a few times because maybe some new people like that. how is that not on the same lines with "how you treat people". i am also a diablo fan.. i played diablo 2 for ELEVEN YEARS. diablo 3 i played for maybe... 1-2 years? possibly 3 but that would be pushing it. diablo 3 was a bad enough joke. and diablo immortal... thats is just saying a big fat "fuck you" to all the diablo players. how is that not about "how you treat people". people arn't just some "metric" people are PEOPLE.. the whole reason you HAVE a company is because you make a game PEOPLE want to play. if u make a sweeping change like in season 6 like "dynamic que" and damn near everyone TELLS YOU TO NOT DO IT. it is ENTIRELY about "people". you have a _community_ people who play the game... if u mistreat those people... they arn't going just LEAVE. whenever the topic is even brought up.. they will ACTIVELY CONVINCE PEOPLE NOT TO PLAY. right now u can be damn i would would NEVER recommend league to a friend. i would NEVER recommend diablo 3.. or "perfect world" and u know what.. to this day i miss "perfect world" but i left because the company COMPLETELY RUINED IT. i have a multiple guide posts i have written that are to this still STICKIED on thier forums. THAT is how much i loved their game. and i still wish i could go back to playing it. and from time to time i try.. and them i remember why i left, because they ruined everything i loved about it. i have a problem... i am too forgiving. i have stayed at jobs i knew i should have left. i just want to believe people will do whats best... but eventually even i have to admit that enough is enough.. and i have to leave. and i HATE doing it. because i WANT to believe they want to fix it... but they don't... i have quite league twice... but I'm too damn stupid to not come back. the challenger nidalee skin, i come back, the nidalee lore update i come back they take something i love so i come back. but then when i do i realize why i left.. i just want the game to be fun again. and even though i know it likely never will be... i find it hard to let go of that hope.. thats glimmer of a chance. i see a patch like 7.9 and i and like.. YAY league made a entire patch with NOTHING wrong... they improved tons of shit.. they broken nothing.. everything is goign to be fine now. and then we are followed by arguably the worst league patches in history, in rapid succession one right after another. and each time im like.. maybe its just this one patch... maybe its a fluke.., maybe next path they will fix it. NO.. this is RIOT the FLUKE was 7.9.. the FLUKE the them doing something RIGHT.
: It's interesting... this perspective that there's somehow a 'right' direction for LoL to go. It has millions of players. Some of those players will like the higher damage, some will hate it... but there's it's not 'wrong' for it to push towards higher damage. *I* personally am not hugely fond of how high damage has gotten, but that's a personal thing. They've had low damage metas, now they're trying high damage metas... but that's fine. We'll see how things go down the line.
> [{quoted}](name=Eleshakai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6M5nBpl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-08T18:13:17.966+0000) > > It's interesting... this perspective that there's somehow a 'right' direction for LoL to go. It has millions of players. Some of those players will like the higher damage, some will hate it... but there's it's not 'wrong' for it to push towards higher damage. *I* personally am not hugely fond of how high damage has gotten, but that's a personal thing. They've had low damage metas, now they're trying high damage metas... but that's fine. We'll see how things go down the line. your perspective of "right" and "wrong" is perplexing. yes there are certainly choices that don't have negative outcomes. but just because not everyone see's something don't see something as "bad" doesn't mean it not "bad". just because "sexism and racism wern't considered "bad" 100 years ago didn't make them "not bad". just became some people cant understand that that climate change has already began causes devastating consequences doesn't mean its "ok" to keep doing what we are going. just became some person may not understand something that mean its "ok". a toddler doesn't know its dangerous to be playing near sharp/hard objects were they can fall and hurt themselves on. that is why the parent has to watch them. just because someone does not recognize something or has a different opinion doesn't mean, one side is not right. and the other side is not wrong... it does not mean someone can't see a mistake your making that you cant see. i mean seriously do i even need to show what can happen if don't pay attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9cSFRBzJc if u cant see how precariously close riot is to that level, then your just as blind as riot is. am i saying that no one will buy diamond immortal? of course not... if they make it.. SOME people will buy it. but that doesn't mean its not WRONG.
Rioter Comments
Moody P (NA)
: Oh right, the Riot solution: Give it more damage
im not usually one to agree with moodyP... but seriously guys.. nerf the op shit. the answer to "school shootings" isn't to give all the kids weapons so they can defend themselves. It's to make it so weapons are harder to get for lunatics. If ADC's are in a shitty spot becuase champions like {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:7}} can freaking 1 shot them... just like they can 1 shjot every other class in the game... outside for a full tank which take like like 4 shots to kill MAYBE we should be addressing THEM and not: saying "here take this bazooka to defend yourself from the school shooters". THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO THIS. "hi doctor.. i think i sprained my wrist". We can make you forgot about that... here let me chop off your legs" now you wont care about your wrist anymore" that should MAKE EVERYTHING ALL BETTER
: TY for the Nidalee lore update, but now we need to address her balance
also yes i keep using {{champion:76}} as an example because OBVIOUSLY, its the easiest thing for me to compare to as i have played her for nearly 6 years and have well over 1000 games on her. i cant really be using champs like {{champion:11}} or {{champion:42}} as examples if i never really played them or have experience on them, and therefore would have no way of knowing if what i said was actually true or not. so i compare things to what i know.. and in many cases nidalee works perfectly fine as an example. if i tried to spout data to try to compare a champion I'm unfamiliar with to compare it to another champion in unfamiliar with, i would be pretty hard pressed to make any sort of point that could be verified, and might as well be talking out of my ass, (kinda like you are) as i would be a completely unreliable source on that matter. when i compare things to nidalee i may not be perfect on the end of the champion i don't know... but i can be sure I'm going to be 100% correct when I'm discussing how a change affected her. and therefore that gives me some solid fact i know and have personally verified that i can work with in the discussion that can provide valuable insight.
: If you are forgetting history of Jungle metas when Kayle was super oppressive in the jungle they did the same nerf and it completely gutted her from ever being able to jungle again.
> [{quoted}](name=LunanEclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m3Jrx0fv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-08T01:19:33.363+0000) > > If you are forgetting history of Jungle metas when Kayle was super oppressive in the jungle they did the same nerf and it completely gutted her from ever being able to jungle again. as u very well know {{champion:10}} builds TONS attack speed, and all attack speed modifier do is modify your base attack speed therefore a small nerf to base can make a big difference. however if u DON'T stack attack speed.. it still going to be that same minuscule nerf at every level and isnt going to really do anything. for example.. {{champion:76}} attack speed was hit in season 4 in patch 4.17 but because back then {{champion:76}} was a top laner who maxed E first.. and her E has a 60% attack speed boost.. a small nerf to her attack speed make a HUGE difference.
Rioter Comments
: Remind me again why you gutted and nerfed Wukong to ground.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/monkeyking/diamond {{champion:62}} doesn't go below 51% winrate in **ANY** elo... remind me exactly how he is "nerfed into the ground"?
: Would you go back to 15-20 minute wait times if it meant no more autofilling?
autofill was never about "que times"; high que times were a side effect of making every single player who was a support secondary, NEVER get their main role and are given support indefinitely until they took it off as an option, for me i gave up and took it off after 30 ranked support games in a row.. and took up support secondary and instead went jungle mid. THIS is what caused "que time" to skyrocket because instead of having support main willing to play support and then 4 other lanes of support secondary willing to play support.. and becuase of this EVERY support secondary would take "support" off as an option and REFUSE to support, you just cut out every support secondary form every lane... effectively cutting the people willing to support to 1/5th its previous value.. this in turn caused those reaming people to have en even great chance at support and never getting thier primary role. this this downward spiral continues until que time in higher elos went above 30 minutes the issue was never really "que time" the issue was. support secondaries would NEVER get their main role, and so ALL OF US flat our REFUSED to take support as an option. autofill fixed this issue and allowed support secondaries to still get their primary role, all the while still giving them support but not "every game" and not often enough to not ever want to make us _unwilling_ to swap to support if we were given out main role, but a teammates really couldn't play support. THIS is what autofill did it was never about "que times".
: -3 different people get an assist on the play- OMG I JUST GOT 1V1D BY SUPPORT
> [{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j8hYulc5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-07T23:38:38.906+0000) > > -3 different people get an assist on the play- > > OMG I JUST GOT 1V1D BY SUPPORT over 16 seconds{{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: Please Revert Shacos Walk or Redesign a new one
personally i hate {{champion:35}} ... but im still curious oh what it looks like... does ne1 have a side by side comparison?
: What skin is better: Project: VI or Bullet Angel Kai'sa?
: > [{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyHiJAxA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-07T02:17:02.524+0000) > > Idk what you're talking about but from what I've seen the echo chamber here complains about making tanks tanky and something about damage being too high. > > This is a perfect example of damage creep. Any support now reliably 100-0's ADCs except for Soraka in a 1v1 scenario. That's fine in the early game since many of those supports are mages and/or have mage-tier base damages, but when the Jhin is 5/2 and still can't escape the Alistar, it's pretty fucking silly. yes, the support 100 to 0 the jhin. after hitting all of his abilities, using summoner spells including ignite while the jhin didnt use his and before the jhin finished his core build. he 100 to 0ed him over the course of 10 seconds of jhin mostly running away and only starting to auto the alistar towards the end. because marksmen in general are intended to be weak until they get to their big items. put the same alistar infront of a jhin who had his i.e. finished, and the jhin would have clearly won.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyHiJAxA,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-07T02:26:03.056+0000) > > yes, the support 100 to 0 the jhin. after hitting all of his abilities, using summoner spells including ignite while the jhin didnt use his and before the jhin finished his core build. > > he 100 to 0ed him over the course of 10 seconds of jhin mostly running away and only starting to auto the alistar towards the end. > > because marksmen in general are intended to be weak until they get to their big items. > > put the same alistar infront of a jhin who had his i.e. finished, and the jhin would have clearly won. i never thought id see the day... but +1 there isn't any season i have played in where the {{champion:12}} would not have won that. if u choose to let ANYONE even a tanky support... while on you as a squishy champ for 8 seconds, land 4 separate abilites ulti and ignite. how can u NOT expect to die.. thats not "damage creep" if the alistar killed him in 2-3 seconds.. in a real 1v1 then yeah that might be an issue. cry damage creep and i would agree. but that was nowhere NEAR the case jihn landed a total of 3 autos on alistar.. one of them while alistar had his ulti up. it would have be ludicrous if jhin got the kill on alitsar, by only landing 3 autos if u let somone attack you for 8 seconds... YOUR GANNA DIE. its REALLY that simple
Rexxiee (NA)
: ADC IN 2018 LUL
to be fair... alistar used every ability including his ulti and ignite (which did more damage.. and u also got hit by 2 other targets, he didn't get "1v1ed by alistar" he spent his timing running from other people while alistar threw the entire kitchen skin and landed four abilties in an actaul 1v1 if jihn wasnt running away from the people who could actaully kill him.. {{champion:202}} would have easily won it also took about 8-10 seconds for him to kill the jihn using every single abiltiy. his ulti to surive... and {{summoner:14}} so... yeah that donest really show much other than you let somone attack you non-stop for 8+ seconds.. when u have less than 2k hp... thats not exactly unexpected.... even from a support, we dont do MUCH damage... but hell if we whack at you for 8+ seconds... then yeah... your still ganna take damage...
: can we plz be able to change the default sort?
lol i forgot about this thread, i dont even use the "sort by fav" or "by mastery" anymore... its significantly slower than just typing "nid" or "morg" but yeah this would still be a good thing to add
Doge2020 (NA)
: It’s like with Urgot’s R. When the target reaches or is below a threshold the execute deals true damage, if the first instance of true damage won’t kill the target(s) then the damage is multiplied/stacked until the execute does. I think the reason the execute shows up as 9999 when you do execute somebody is because 9999 is the highest number the computer can easily shows without showing an extremely huge number that would cover the screen or would really confuse those not at the right math lvl. Basically to keep the screen look cleaner and not extremely messy with a fuck ton of damage numbers
> [{quoted}](name=Doge2020,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xvHi8iZj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-18T21:54:18.970+0000) > > It’s like with Urgot’s R. When the target reaches or is below a threshold the execute deals true damage, if the first instance of true damage won’t kill the target(s) then the damage is multiplied/stacked until the execute does. this part is true but it dones't not stay indefintly the below is a quote how urgot ulti works >So for some explaining, this is how Urgot's execute works: After getting grinded on, you take your current health in true damage, if you're not dead from that you take 10 more, if you're not dead from that you take 100 more and so on, up to 10^4 = 10000. This means to survive the execute, you need 11110 extra health points on top of your current health, the only way to do this is with shields. this proves u cn surive urgots ulti > > I think the reason the execute shows up as 9999 when you do execute somebody is because 9999 is the highest number the computer can easily shows without showing an extremely huge number that would cover the screen or would really confuse those not at the right math lvl. Basically to keep the screen look cleaner and not extremely messy with a fuck ton of damage numbers thats is complely false again as listed above https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEeoUj0RYRU you can actually SURVIVE urgots ulti with enough shielding... 9999 is just the LAST trigger of damage, as league is not coded to display damage numbers in the tens of thousands (outside of urf mode)
: Riot has got some explaining to do
and then the is the issue that {{champion:17}} shrooms and {{champion:202}} traps stay on the field between fights. overall there are certainly issues.. but its still MUCH more fun that rift
: Interesting Riot perspective on buff/nerf champions and thought process
i agree, im not saying that many low elos player are great.. but thats just flat out... seesh whats term... profiling. just because a low elo have a higher chance to not know what they are talking about doesn't means NONE of them know what they are talking about. if we flip this on the high elo side.. sure we get some people like froggen and box box, who seem very unbiased in thier balance ideas yet people like tyler1 regardless of the fact that he have god like mechanics can be seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSWjj5dRe0A&lc=z234eb0ihvexuzfuoacdp430aj00c4ldd1yn3g1m0ltw03c010c.1541694313395946 complaining that "crit itemization" sucks when even a bronze 3 player could have told you that your not going to take down a armor hp attacking sion building like that and that for that fight you need a {{item:3153}} . and seeing as he is a champion that LITERALLY counter your exact build path.. if if you could kill him with those items it would prove that crit itemization in fact still OP. players like "hashinshin" are so blatantly biased toward top they ignore the the balance of their champs vs the balance of the rest of the map. being "high elo" only demonstrates that u have insanely good mechanics,the will to abuse w/e is broken to climb, and the free time to spam ranked games. and while u are certainly more likely to do much better if u have greater game knowledge, from what i hear from high elo people saying they get stupid morons teammates in plat and diamond... i really don't think you can consider their game knowledge "better" the average high elo player certainly likely know more than the average low elo people. and no one is going to question that. but a high elo people frequently spout shit about things that know nothing about. and i have seen many people down in low elo that have game knowledge that would make those high elo player look like trash, even though their mechanics might not be soo good. and if you still don't believe me.. EVERY SINGLE PRO TEAM ( to my knowledge) has a COACH now this couch is a player that HAS THE GAME KNOWLEDGE, but NOT the mechanics. just because statically more _often_ high elo player know more about the game does not mean "that _all_ high elo players know more about the game than low elo players" or that there arn't low elo players that know much more about the game than high elo players.. it just means that the statistical average is that high elo players GENERALLY know more
2quick4u2 (EUW)
: LLStylish and RiotBlaustoise discussing Zed
zed does not go below 49% in ANY elo. and in still managing a nearly 50% ban rate. to even be consider buffing him is absurd why the hell are we comparing him to champions like {{champion:24}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:266}} ALL of those are some of the best champion in the game and most if not all could do with nerfs, and at least 3 of them desperately need those nerfs. if u compare yourself to people who are _blatantly broken_ then OF COURSE your going to "look weak" i haven't mid laned in a while so i cant speak for mid lane's current balance. but seriously anyone is going to look weak when u compare he to the best champs in the game...
Ryzê (NA)
: new item on nexus blitz is stackable and makes killing sion alive and undead actually stupid
you mean this {{item:4403}} ? yeah that was a questionable addition...
Rioter Comments
: Bty LeBlanc is not a assassin riot considers her a burst mage and to your point a assassin is ability based so champions like vayne would be not be considered assassins since her kit is focused around auto attacking and assassins kits focus around damage and have low survivability kled and Renekton both have good survivability in there kits. A assassin like talon and zed can both easy get in and out of fights while doing damage but if they get cced they just die and they both have burst damage meaning once they done there combo they can not do much else.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AIZGs8Fa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-06T19:01:37.706+0000) > > Bty LeBlanc is not a assassin riot considers her a burst mage and to your point a assassin is ability based so champions like vayne would be not be considered assassins since her kit is focused around auto attacking and assassins kits focus around damage and have low survivability kled and Renekton both have good survivability in there kits. A assassin like talon and zed can both easy get in and out of fights while doing damage but if they get cced they just die and they both have burst damage meaning once they done there combo they can not do much else. lb is an assasin, she was literally in the assasin rework
Rioter Comments
: What does riot consider an assassin?
a this point idk, i have been bursted down by every single class in the game in under 2 seconds traditionally assasin weher classes that were low hp champions that were generally mobile and had a way in and out, but no form surviabilty if they stayed in the fight this was a "go in and go out" back and forth type of gameplay simlarrly divers generally had the alsmosy the same but slightly less burst as assassins, but had no way to get back out of the fight after they went in, to compensate for this they are generally tanker and have a stronger form of CC and may have shielding that what it used to be however every class kinda loses its some of it distinction when game is as high as it is. sure there still are differences. but much less so than their used to be, with the burst damage coming out of classes that have no right to do burst damage
: Leona needs buffs
looking at her winrate alone across all elos.. it would imply {{champion:89}} does not need buffs and as of right now with her shiny new skin, her winrate is probably a but lower than it would normally be as her populatity jumped a bit with the skin release which generally lowers winrate there isnt a single elo where she drops below 49.5%, she has historically been hovering at a 1-2% higher winrate than she currently is. but her winrate graphs chart is very jagged, and i think the biggest issue with her right now is just the fact that she relies heavily on armor.. which right now doesn't do jack shit past 10 min.. i feel if they address that issue.. Leona would be fine again. i don't feel they need to touch her directly. not unless she drops lower than she is right now.
Vonler (EUNE)
: His ultimate reset mechanic could just be removed and he would still be a decent support. Perhaps its cooldown could be reduced to compensate a bit.
> [{quoted}](name=Vonler,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBwfKXVg,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-06T13:38:27.236+0000) > > His ultimate reset mechanic could just be removed and he would still be a decent support. Perhaps its cooldown could be reduced to compensate a bit. about a 3rd of his kit could be removed and he would still be a top tier support
Dr Dog (NA)
: can we all just be greatful for a second
believe me we are... but once u GET into the game i would MUCH rather be playing season 3,4, or even 5 league to any league 6-8. they cant improve the client and the pre-game expereince all the want.. but we play the game for the actual MATCH. that THAT is pretty fucking trash right now
Eedat (NA)
: > except it wasn't? and still isn't? wtf are u even LOOKING at? > some shitty like like op.gg that takes only diamond + korea stats? and ignores 99.9% of the actual data i have LINKED the stats.. go look at them No dude. Even the site you listed has idalee performing well. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee This is your link. You are the one who linked this. Even when you correct it down to 'Gold+' she is performing well. _**She is performing along the same lines as Graves according to YOUR source**_. Dafuq? > first off. i don't give a damn about upvotes and downvotes... and the only time i ever log only my alt is to override one moronic vote on a post that is EXTREMELY important to myself. and even thing ONLY if the post is below zero. Did you miss the part where I linked all those comments where this full of shit? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/muVGnsdc-morganas-q?comment=000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/OrMTbyYr-what-happened-to-my-bloodletter-veil?comment=00000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/c6WUMg5y-it-has-been-4-years-since-her-rework-can-we-please-get-this-simple-qol-change-for-nidalee?comment=0002 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/oAtW2BtA-psa-naopgg-does-not-use-na-data?comment=0000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zcjmk5Av-i-am-surpised-that-no-one-is-talking-about-the-horrific-jungle-exp-change?comment=00060000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XXrZX8vc-new-players-starting-at-silver-2-4-mmr?comment=00020000000000000000000000000000000100000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AUGqz2dG-theres-no-way-to-climb-playing-tanks-in-low-elo?comment=000100010000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/reEudN6F-i-dont-normally-post-on-changes-ot-champs-i-dont-play-much-but-pbe?comment=00000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Xl5zl62U-psa-anything-above-53-winrate-is-too-strong?comment=0007 How tf can you even possibly claim this? # **You literally log in and out of your alt to act as a different person and agree with yourself so it seems like more people agree with whatever point you're making ** You actually have back and forth conversations WITH YOURSELF. What the actual fuck is that? Legit all you do is spam about Nidalee. In the past month you have made 14 different threads about her and celerity. You have threads like this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Yp4o80Ng-when-changing-a-champion-take-into-account-the-skill-needed-to-play-it-and-its-current-players Where you pretend its about other champs BUT JK IT'S REALLY ABOUT NIDALEE https://i.imgur.com/OQOuku5.png[/img] Give it a rest already man. Your champ is doing fine. My main got triple nerfed in one single patch and you still don't see any threads where I cry about it once because he's still playable even with a 0.5%-1% pick rate top and 1%-1.5% pick rate jungle. Take a step back, realized your opinion is biased as fuck, and look at the big picture. You constantly go on above removing upfront burst like {{item:3147}} {{item:3095}} but don't you find it weird how {{item:1402}} is immune because your main uses it? > and then it rid of items like {{item:3147}} which give guaranteed upfront burst for doing a nothing and in {{item:3095}} case LITERALLY nothing for 3 second.. like come on HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM {{item:1402}} does ***Literally the EXACT SAME THING*** yet you seem to find it immune to you own line of thinking. Why didn't that one make your list? Or {{item:3100}}? Or {{item:3152}}? I'm sure it was just an oversight and not bias at all right? You wanna say since I don't play Nidalee that I can't possibly know how she's doing? http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=swiftkitten88 **You have played her exactly one single time after the Celerity changes and it was even AFTER you made this thread** Don't call people morons because they disagree with you. I disagreed with you because I think you're wrong. And don't you fucking dare tell me I shouldn't post on this board when you're the one using multiple accounts to team up with yourself
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TKUYNxpl,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-06T07:31:23.747+0000) > > wtf are u even LOOKING at? > i have LINKED the stats.. go look at them > > No dude. Even the site you listed has nidalee performing well. > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee > > This is your link. You are the one who linked this. Even when you correct it down to 'Gold+' she is performing well. _**She is performing along the same lines as Graves according to YOUR source**_. Dafuq? .... nidalle is going the same as graves in ONE ELO _your _the person linkning my threads do u even READ them? > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Xl5zl62U-psa-anything-above-53-winrate-is-too-strong?comment=0007 you link this thread yourself... READ IT i care about ALL elos.. not just ONE elo, i realize that to buff or nerf a champion you need consider how it affects ALL elos. if u buff it for one elo.. will it be broken for another? is it actaully viable to give that champions buffs for example... just becuase a champion might be 45% in one elo... if they are sitting at 52-53% they CAN'T get "flat buffs however if they we at 45% in one elo... but at 49% in another they COULd be buffed to wait by 2-3% in every elo WITHOUT breaking them if u nerf it for one... will it be garbage tier for another? the same goes in reverse, if you have a champion that is at 54% winrate in one elo and 45% in another.. a "flat nerf" is PROBABLY not the "best idea", what would need tyo be done first would be a way to lower tine winrate differential with some sort of change. then once that is lower the champion can be buffed or nerf accordingly if nidalee was at 49.9% in EVERY ELO then YES she WOULD be fine the difference is she ISN'T {{champion:104}} IS at 49-50% in EVERY ELO THATS where your issue is.. the donest doesn't revolve around "your elo" you need to take into account EVERY elo. again i stated this IN THE THREAD U JUST LINKED > > You actually have back and forth conversations WITH YOURSELF. What the actual fuck is that? > > Legit all you do is spam about Nidalee. In the past month you have made 14 different threads about her and celerity. > > You have threads like this: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Yp4o80Ng-when-changing-a-champion-take-into-account-the-skill-needed-to-play-it-and-its-current-players > > Where you pretend its about other champs BUT JK IT'S REALLY ABOUT NIDALEE > > https://i.imgur.com/OQOuku5.png[/img] > > Give it a rest already man. Your champ is doing fine. My main got triple nerfed in one single patch and you still don't see any threads where I cry about it once because he's still playable even with a 0.5%-1% pick rate top and 1%-1.5% pick rate jungle. Take a step back, realized your opinion is biased as fuck, and look at the big picture. its "doing fine" in _one_elo like i stated before.. 50% in one elo is good. but if u are 50% and in EVERY OTHER ELO you are SIGNIFICANTLY below that.. thats a pretty big different than being "FINE" in "every elo" two patches ago she WAS "fine" in every elo THAT is what im asking for. she was INDIRECTLY nerfed for a reaosn that had NOTHING to do with her. and i want her conpensated so that whe is viable in ALL elo and not just a the in twenty down the list even for the top 2% of player while being very close to last in ever other elo > > You constantly go on above removing upfront burst like {{item:3147}} {{item:3095}} but don't you find it weird how {{item:1402}} is immune because your main uses it? > > HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM {{item:1402}} does ***Literally the EXACT SAME THING*** yet you seem to find it immune to you own line of thinking. if you are taking about the very weak luden proc it has i dont give a damn about that they can take that away fro all i care >Why didn't that one make your list? Or {{item:3100}}? Or {{item:3152}}? I'm sure it was just an oversight and not bias at all right? why wasn't {{item:3100}} on the list? becuase that item has been around like since ALPHA and i also didnt list {{item:3078}} {{item:3025}} or {{item:3087}} as for {{item:3152}} , first of all if u think nidalee would build that.. your delusional, 2nd, its an active item... i also didnt lst items such as {{item:3030}} {{item:3144}}{{item:3145}} {{item:3042}} {{item:3230}} , why? because they are IRRELEVANT.. > > You wanna say since I don't play Nidalee that I can't possibly know how she's doing? > > http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=swiftkitten88 > > **You have played her exactly one single time after the Celerity changes and it was even AFTER you made this thread** lol first off like i said i fucking predicted EXACTLY that would happen i LINKED the thread in the last patch when u have over 1000 games in a champion and have played then as you main since day one and for nearly 6 years, its REALLY not that hard to guess accurately how a change is going to effect them. also.. i tried the change on pbe.. when it was at 13% movement speed. i know how a change is going to affect nidalee even before it does. as _proven_ by my thread. i said she was going lose winrate. ( i predicted 3-5%) and she lost nearly 3% in higher elo like i said... i KNEW how this change was going to affect her the DIFFERENCE is YOU are talking about a champion u haven't played.. in a MODE u haven't played in a month. and im talking about my main .. who i have well over 1000 games on, and LITERALLY perfected what what happened if a change went through EVEN BEFORE IT WENT LIVE if u were taliing about aram balance, then yeah, i would concede the floor to you.. but your not... yuur taloing abut the balance of a champion u dont play... on a patch u haven't played against her on, and u cnt seem to wrap your head around that she got nerfed since u last fought here and isnt in the same state,, and if they nerf ONLY hit her high elo.. i would BE here talking, but it also hit her in aera where she was already struggling and it flat out made her BAD. its ok" to be" at a 50% winrate in diamond+ there is nothing wrong with that.. but if that is the BEST you can get.. and _that's_only for 2% of people.. then YES she DOES needs buffs. and we arn't talking about a champion that's going to 1 shot you from nowhere, or a point and click champion with stealth. or a champion that can cast 5 dashes in 2 seconds. we are talking about a champion that is HEAVILY team reliant... cant do ANYTHING to stop the enemy if their team has grouped. and how needs to land a skillshot to even KILL someone. if she is only BARELY viable for the top 2% of players, then yeah she isn't "one of the best jungler in the game" as u have claimed. > Don't call people morons because they disagree with you. I disagreed with you because I think you're wrong. And don't you fucking dare tell me I shouldn't post on this board when you're the one using multiple accounts to team up with yourself i said if u dont READ the post you are responding to then you should be allowed to post. and i just proved that that last statement was false in my last post. i dont need to do it again in this one i call people morons if they are going to IGNORE data that right in front of them. if they choose to talk about somthing they know knowing about and act as if they suddenly have more knowledge than the experts of the subject. you not going to argue with boxbox about the state of riven. or froggen about the state of anivia. these are people who have problem themselves to know a lot about thier champions as well as being unbiased when it comes towrd balance about them. at the same time. people like T1 may be damn near godlike on {{champion:119}} but he still demonstrats CLEAR bias toward it.. and claims things like "crit itemization is bad" when he tries to take down a hp/armor stacking {{champion:14}} worth about the worst possible itemization to do so when even a bronze person would have told him he needs a {{item:3153}} for that fight. i know nidalee strengths and weaknesses, i listed FIVE options to fix her, all in a way that would NOT break her. i i specifically modified these reverts to be dont in a way that wont re-cause the issue that made them happen in the first place. because i DON'T want nidalee broken i added a base cap vs jungle mobs on her % hp traps revert i only allowed her full reset at lvl 1 when not pouncing to hunted jungle camps i am talking into account ways to NOT break her.. and YOU are saying im "just trying to make my main op" so yeah Im going to call bullshit on that. because its CLEARLY not true
: Anyone feel CDR is kinda way too prevalent for specific classes/items? Just curious.
yes... back in season 3 the only class they would even got CLOSE to 40% cdr were mages ( at least to my knowledge it possble tankier champions could as well as {{item:3065}} have 20%) i don't remember any cdr on AD items.. then again i started in mid season 3, and i was still a noob until around mid season 4. so its probable my memory isnt entirely accurate in this matter. nowadays i can actaully very effectivly take "transedecen on support lux... becuase every support item in the game is so overloaded with CDR its insane. and even ADC can get cdr now. i do think cdr needs to be addressed, however tacked on burst damage from runes and item needs to go first. its one thing to have it on one item {{item:3057}} which u can build 3 different ways. those all share a unique passive.
: New Support Item Change is Ruining League Of Legends
as a support secondary i was also really pissed about this change... and yeah it was pretty annoying... but that was patch 8.2, about 11 months ago. Its a BIT late to file your complaint. and trust me.. those of us _here_ did file our complaints... they went unheard we still got stuck with these anyways.
Eedat (NA)
: You mean the Celerity changes...... that happened LAST patch? Because all the data is showing she was doing just fine last patch despite being "OMG MASSIVELY NERFED BY CELERITY CHANGES". Second, dont you dare tell attempt to tell me I shouldn't post here. You're the one who logs in your alt "Cheetah Nidalee" and pretends to be a different person to agree with yourself on your main account lmao. Not only is it so insanely cringey to watch, but you should be banned for vote manipulation for doing it. You even try to have conversations with yourself like what the actual fuck? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/muVGnsdc-morganas-q?comment=000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/OrMTbyYr-what-happened-to-my-bloodletter-veil?comment=00000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/c6WUMg5y-it-has-been-4-years-since-her-rework-can-we-please-get-this-simple-qol-change-for-nidalee?comment=0002 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/oAtW2BtA-psa-naopgg-does-not-use-na-data?comment=0000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zcjmk5Av-i-am-surpised-that-no-one-is-talking-about-the-horrific-jungle-exp-change?comment=00060000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XXrZX8vc-new-players-starting-at-silver-2-4-mmr?comment=00020000000000000000000000000000000100000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AUGqz2dG-theres-no-way-to-climb-playing-tanks-in-low-elo?comment=000100010000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/reEudN6F-i-dont-normally-post-on-changes-ot-champs-i-dont-play-much-but-pbe?comment=00000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Xl5zl62U-psa-anything-above-53-winrate-is-too-strong?comment=0007 # **Really dude?** All you do is whine about Nidalee no matter how strong or weak she is. Give it a rest ffs. Nidalee is completely fine. Why tf do you want your main buffed to pick/ban so they have to gut her? Why can people never be satisfied when their main is good?
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TKUYNxpl,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-06T00:31:25.446+0000) > > You mean the Celerity changes...... that happened LAST patch? Because all the data is showing she was doing just fine last patch despite being "OMG MASSIVELY NERFED BY CELERITY CHANGES". except it wasn't? and still isn't? wtf are u even LOOKING at? some shitty like like op.gg that takes only diamond + korea stats? and ignores 99.9% of the actual data i have LINKED the stats.. go look at them... > > Second, dont you dare tell attempt to tell me I shouldn't post here. You're the one who logs in your alt "Cheetah Nidalee" and pretends to be a different person to agree with yourself on your main account lmao. Not only is it so insanely cringey to watch, but you should be banned for vote manipulation for doing it. You even try to have conversations with yourself like what the actual fuck? first off. i dont give a damn about upvotes and downvotes... and the only time i ever log only my alt is to override one moronic vote on a post that is EXTREMELY important to myself. and even thing ONLY if the post is below zero. i just dont feel it's right that people who DON'T EVEN BOTHER THE READ THE POST should bring my post _below zero_ if u want to form an opinion and dislike my thread, at least do my the courtesy of READING the post.. if i get a downvote 20 seconds after i make a post that wold be a 2 page essay.. i can fairly certainly be assured that they didn't freaking read the post > # **Really dude?** > > All you do is whine about Nidalee no matter how strong or weak she is. Give it a rest ffs. Nidalee is completely fine. Why tf do you want your main buffed to pick/ban so they have to gut her? Why can people never be satisfied when their main is good? again that is BLATANTLY false. i do NOT ask for buffs when she is "fine" as u very well know as u freaking linked the threads. i ask for buffs when she NEEDS BUFFS and infact... all i have EVER asked for are REVERTS of NERFS. and ONLY when it is SAFE to do so. i did NOT ask for nidalee buffs when she had a 52% winrate in diamond only started asking for _compensation_ buffs AFTER she lost 2-3% IN EVERY ELO at INDIRECT NERF that WASNT EVEN TARGETING HER to bring her to he PREVIOUS state where she was TWO PATCHES AGO. and yes... "cheetah nidalee" IS my other account sometimes u can think of a really good response to something, but it looks stupid if u say it to yourself.. so i swap accounts to post it. i do _NOT_ however "upvote" every post i make with that account. nor do i EVER downvote with it. i have been using forums for over 15 years.. and i always "sort by recent" whether or not people "like" my post does not matter to me. but if i get some moron downvoting me before he even READS what i wrote i WILL swap account counteract that one moron who dones't bother to use thier brain. if u want to make an arguments post data.. and we can discuss it like civilized people.. dont downvote me and say shit like "why does one of the strongest jungler needs buffs" when its OBVOIUS that she isnt ANY where NEAR a "Strong jungler" let alone one of the strongest. nidalee is a champion that has no form of CC and is EXTREMELY reliant on her teammates. and can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING regardless of how fed to stop 2-3 people charging at her.. let alone a 5 man push i dont play ranked.. but if are going to throw shit out and like like "i dont know what im talking about" https://i.imgur.com/qbgjoFb.png https://i.imgur.com/Ur64Rki.png https://i.imgur.com/5NnT3sk.png all of that is WITHOUT being able to rely on my teammates. as most higher elo players can. dont even TRY to pretend like "i dont know what im talking about" i flat out PREDICTED how this change would effect her EVEN BEFORE IT DID https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/76An2mEX-roit-if-the-celerity-changes-go-live-nidalee-is-going-to-need-compsenation-buffs i dont need some person who has some sort of bias who isnt even willing to play a rift game OR look at the data telling me I'm "wrong"
: Could New Tank Items Ease The Damage Meta?
no they would not the only want to ease the damage meta is to remove the extra tacked-on sources of damage from "runes" and the burst items like {{item:3095}} and (now to a lesser degree ){{item:3147}}
: Jax doesn't even go gunblade. Exaggeration is the enemy of truth.
> [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YsV6uAj8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-05T22:33:32.975+0000) > > Jax doesn't even go gunblade. > > Exaggeration is the enemy of truth. funny how of all people you should speak as if you care about the truth.
Eedat (NA)
: ......why does one of the strongest junglers in the game atm need buffs exactly? I don't get it. Like even after all those changes she is still currently a top tier jungler
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TKUYNxpl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-05T23:58:29.690+0000) > > ......why does one of the strongest junglers in the game atm need buffs exactly? I don't get it. Like even after all those changes she is still currently a top tier jungler {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} its people like you who dont deserve to post u literally haven't played a non aram game in over a month and every other game u played for quite a while was on {{champion:62}} clearly never having played nidalee or even rift in the past months you are in a position to know how the change effect her its literally the FIRST THING in the freaking post.. DESCRIBING how she got indirectly nerfed due to the celerity changes i wasnt ASKING for a buff to nidalee of 2 patches ago.. im ASKING for a buff to nidalee of THIS patch. because she just got INDIRECTLY NERFED. seriously.. why on earth do u even post if u don't freaking read "oh noes we need to nerf AP yi becuase he was too strong in season 2" ITS NOT SEASON 2 ANYMORE. the strength of a champion 2 patches any isn't their CURRENT strength. just as if someone punches you in the face for you saying something stupid, the amount of pain your feeling isn't the same as the amount of pain you felt before they punched you.
Rioter Comments
: Conflicted about buying skins with this horrible balance.
yeah i have been wainting to by pajama guardain {{champion:99}} , and super galaxy nid but right now i don't think riot deserves my money. i do VERY MUCH love the nidalee lore update, however i ALSO want her to be VIABLE in an actual _game_ of league. i can i am willing to put up with the shitstorm of other stuff as long as i can play my main. but right now... she is a pretty troll pick. and Im hoping since her lore just got updated they will throw some buffs her way
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