: Back from vacation I got a haircut and went to Los Angeles for some serious R and R
Might need to cut off some things running in the background to help
: A little streaming today! MAKE FUN OF MY FACE! And large hair, perhaps my voice, and gender. XD
not quite camera quality but at least it isn't someone pretending to be a girl, good on you for that.
: Nidalee on Strike, refusing to heal teammates.
This actually an annoying impactful bug. Just imagine knowing you're about to win because your heavy hitter is about to be healed and able to take out the enemy, but then Nidalee transforms and Doesn't heal him, then you lose, and this is repeated for about half the matches until you lose. Please fix.
: My life as a Sona Top and the reports I have received
Toxic. {{sticker:sg-shisa}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
Jojobees (NA)
: You're pretty active in the player behavior forum, but this is the first comment you've posted that I actually agree with. @OP Trolls/afks are usually the target of toxicity, not the other way around. Also, can we get a 1 year ban on OP for openly admitting to griefing?
> [{quoted}](name=Jojobees,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=APcXLmjW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-10T22:31:04.550+0000) > > You're pretty active in the player behavior forum, but this is the first comment you've posted that I actually agree with. @OP Trolls/afks are usually the target of toxicity, not the other way around. Also, can we get a 1 year ban on OP for openly admitting to griefing? ? Not sure what you're saying to OP, they said that players who troll/afk are the ones getting flamed/being toxic'd at... Also here does OP say they have griefed? Are you thread trolling?
FSRER (EUNE)
: Riot won't hear players on balancing and making the game fun for them but on such problems...yeah they actually do something.
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2JKNUqT2,comment-id=0026,timestamp=2019-01-06T06:41:44.123+0000) > > Riot won't hear players on balancing and making the game fun for them but on such problems...yeah they actually do something. Isn't that what the gameplay section is for?
: I can't take this any more. Nothing I try fixes this.
Have you tried removing your enter keys? No enter keys mean you can't enter chat. If you feel the need to chastise yourself perhaps doing it out loud would keep you from being punished by typing it in game. > [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AlFZQ2hH,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-30T19:13:56.452+0000) > > Calm down. It's just a game. > Put this on a corner of the monitor to remind so it stays in your field of vision or you can at least easily see it. When you get mad at yourself, just look at yourself and repeat it. This is your mantra. This is your affirmation . "Calm down, it's just a game, i'm better than this."
: Dear Lulu who chose to feed on purpose, you did not break me.
You have more self control than I ever will.
: If Iron tier was where Permabanned players had to play, how do you think that would go?
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xrEdFg8w,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-10T04:41:19.606+0000) > > If instead of permabanning accounts from the game they permabanned them to Iron tier, where they had to play nice for a year before being unbanned, how many years do you think it would take the average permabanned player to get out? Only permabanned players would be in Iron, no one else. > > Multiple questions for an odd passing thought. > > > {{sticker:sona-playing}} That'd actually probably be a very popular alternative to being unable to access your account at all, especially from the "I SPENT $1000 ON THIS GAME NOW I CANT US IT RIOT IS GARBAGE" crowd. I imagine waves and waves of games where all the trolls troll eachother and it is a natural fiesta out there for the first month.
: How do you define Trolling?
I think players with a vision score of 10 or less after 30 minutes are trolling. WARDS ARE FREE, USE THEM!
Mathamor (NA)
: I think its because some players would try to sneak into their games and make them lose for revenge after an altercation.
> [{quoted}](name=Mathamor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rELzkfM9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-26T21:54:54.305+0000) > > I think its because some players would try to sneak into their games and make them lose for revenge after an altercation. Couldn't they do that just by sending a friend request, saying "sorry, I was acting like a jerk you weren't that bad, lets play together" then proceeding to run it down lane? Seems like a lot of effort for trolling.
: To All Of The Recent Ban Recipients
#How2BeKindWhilePlayingLOL
Blackii7 (NA)
: Up you go.
> [{quoted}](name=Blackii7,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ppu95koV,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-11-08T16:58:52.950+0000) > > Up you go.
: To All Of The Recent Ban Recipients
I'd like some chocolate please.
: Banned for intentionally feeding? But, it was just a hard game...
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: So how do you explain this one, then? The thread was basically barren (iirc less than 20 posts) before Tantram's response and up for not even two hours before the issue had been resolved already (minus the honor-part, apparently). This thread by any meaningful definition had absolutely no forum traction. It still has a pretty low amount of posts, especially for a red-tagged thread. Why was it solved?
> [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZkZWEUYE,comment-id=00060001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-27T22:01:16.425+0000) > > So how do you explain this one, then? > Well this is more like other people are having entire side conversations next to the OP post. This wasn't one of those "Riot is so bad I hate them unban me Tantram please this is bull Riot staff is awful" that this section is riddled with. OP said they banned 14 days and showed that it said it was for feeding and shared the game in question that it referred, and had already spoken with Riot Support Deme Lovato who said they were looking into it with their team, and about an hour or two later there was a post from OP saying they had been unbanned. The issue was already resolved before Tantram made a comment, who only made a comment when OP asked about Honor restoration as a riot staffer like Tantram would know about it and was nice enough to share (though I will admit to the possibility that Tantram could of been looking into this without commenting, but who really knows). It is fair to say that more comments are coming in because of the Riot Comment symbol, but also the number of comments, upvotes, and consistent bumping keeps this getting even more attention. It is called the "positive feedback" system, where the more attention is given the more attention received.
: My prelims weren't great but I made it to GV using Sona Top Lane 90% and never using Flash!!!
: Is Competitive BSing actually a hidden trigger Riot uses to get a player banned?
Upvoted because this is an interesting discussion point on a matter I hadn't considered.
Scuttle (NA)
: OP hasn't posted any proof. Usually when someone has a ticket they'd like help with, they copy and paste it. Or take a screenshot. OP has done neither.
> [{quoted}](name=Scuttle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fyhhg7iE,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-05-05T00:51:37.881+0000) > > OP hasn't posted any proof. > > Usually when someone has a ticket they'd like help with, they copy and paste it. Or take a screenshot. OP has done neither. OP just posted proof, probably to appease your whining.
Kei143 (NA)
: Chances are OP bought the account.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fyhhg7iE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-05T00:39:55.570+0000) > > Chances are OP bought the account. And now we trade truths to be determined by Riot officials with baseless accusations from nobodies. How old is your account? Tell us the date it was made? If its not several years old and you cant give us the the exact date, you can remove yourself from the conversation pal.
kurumi2k (EUW)
: 30cs lvl7 0/7/0 midlaner at 15m ???
Camille > Teemo. That aside, maybe they just had a bad game.
Ifneth (NA)
: Downvote Brigading of Moderators who Say Hard Truths
I also notice moderators being down voted in non toxic threads, like the one where the guy got banned for calling someone a child.
Chermorg (NA)
: If you're trying to determine if more people like chocolate or vanilla, and you survey 1,000,000 people and more of them prefer chocolate, it's safe to say that the population prefers chocolate. We don't care **why** the population prefers chocolate (allergy, isn't an option, etc). We only care **if** they do. You are not describing population bias - you're describing a population that legitimately prefers vanilla over chocolate *for whatever reason*. I'd also further love to see your statistics showing "millions of troll reports" because that simply isn't true. ---- I'm done debating elementary statistics with you. It's obvious you are the person who is "spoofing" the field of statistics for your own gain in this debate and have no intention of actually using statistical methods to prove anything.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=00010003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T19:00:28.901+0000) > > If you're trying to determine if more people like chocolate or vanilla, and you survey 1,000,000 people and more of them prefer chocolate, it's safe to say that the population prefers chocolate. > > We don't care **why** the population prefers chocolate (allergy, isn't an option, etc). We only care **if** they do. > > You are not describing population bias - you're describing a population that legitimately prefers vanilla over chocolate *for whatever reason*. > > I'd also further love to see your statistics showing "millions of troll reports" because that simply isn't true. > > ---- > I'm done debating elementary statistics with you. It's obvious you are the person who is "spoofing" the field of statistics for your own gain in this debate and have no intention of actually using statistical methods to prove anything. No, you have described a scenario where you disconsider the sampling pool that can be manipulated just by asking population A) rather than population B). If you go to a State where Chocolate is the State Food, then you will probably be able to find a population of 1,000,000 where more people will say they prefer chocolate over vanilla, thus you can say people prefer chocolate over vanilla. Where the information comes from **IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT** in determining the legitimacy and accuracy of the statistical data. Survey 10 people and they all say smoking isn't that bad. Survey 1,000 people and they say smoking isn't that bad. But if you don't reveal that they all worked for a tobacco company, you'd never know how biased and faulty the information was. You'd know that if you knew anything about statistics. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Done with Leauge of Legends
Some guy got a 14-day ban for calling someone a child. What you were saying was a thousand times worse, at least.
: Thing is i was always within the time limit of the ban; plus you dont have to ban, but maybe it is a bug
> [{quoted}](name=RaZeStaTiik,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FLsa44Fn,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:43:26.390+0000) > > Thing is i was always within the time limit of the ban; plus you dont have to ban, but maybe it is a bug You can select to ban no one, but you have to lock it in. Maybe at 1 second you tried but you lagged a little and it happened. Always do it early. BUT AGAIN, WRONG SECTION.
Chermorg (NA)
: You have it backwards. It's one of the most basic concepts in statistics that with increased sample size actually comes **decreased** chance of error, **increased** reliability, and **increased** internal and external validity.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=000100030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:30:56.628+0000) > > You have it backwards. It's one of the most basic concepts in statistics that with increased sample size actually comes **decreased** chance of error, **increased** reliability, and **increased** internal and external validity. Again, spoofed, duped, manipulated. Survey 1 million people if they would rather have chocolate or vanilla ice cream. 40% say chocolate, 60% say vanilla. Then you can say that more people like vanilla then chocolate. What we dont know is A) How many of these people had a chocolate allergy, B) How many of these people recently had chocolate and wanted vanilla now C) How many of these people live in an area where chocolate isn't normally served and simply isn't an option D) How many of these are from "We only eat Vanilla" fan clubs. Etc. If you have Biased Information From a Biased Population (millions of troll reports) you get Biased Data which leads to Faulty Statistical Information. _ THAT_ is Statistics 101, **For Your Information**. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Chermorg (NA)
: Yes, it is. It's very trivial to say "if player reported is on enemy team, and did not say anything in all chat, disregard report". That is easily computer done. Further, they do not need to eliminate millions of them. They can take a random sample of, say, 1000, determine which ones are false out of that random sample, then use the remainder to train. Statistics is a fun subject. I'd recommend anyone concerned about this look into [response bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_bias) and the many ways it can be corrected. You'd be surprised just how powerful statistics can be.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=0001000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:18:19.612+0000) > > Yes, it is. It's very trivial to say "if player reported is on enemy team, and did not say anything in all chat, disregard report". That is easily computer done. > > Further, they do not need to eliminate millions of them. They can take a random sample of, say, 1000, determine which ones are false out of that random sample, then use the remainder to train. > > Statistics is a fun subject. I'd recommend anyone concerned about this look into [response bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_bias) and the many ways it can be corrected. You'd be surprised just how powerful statistics can be. Statistics also said Hillary Clinton would beat Trump. Statistics are neither always reliable nor are they always correct. They can be duped, spoofed, and manipulated. Especially when you consistently have **millions of inputs a month**.
: Who got banned for calling someone a child? I'm lost. I was talking as nicely as I could to a guy who continued to call me a "f'ing b-tch" because I wanted to surrender.
> [{quoted}](name=Gragas Undressed,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oEIYoxXm,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:12:18.797+0000) > > Who got banned for calling someone a child? I'm lost. I was talking as nicely as I could to a guy who continued to call me a "f'ing b-tch" because I wanted to surrender. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EjOPu8hF-i-believe-my-14-day-ban-was-erroneously-given
: What the hell is "hate speech" outside discrimination based insults ? I never reported anyone in my life for the way they speak; I never report anyone for playing badly, The only time I ever report anyone is intentionally losing the game.
> [{quoted}](name=AceprojectX,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nMVxqiTn,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:09:30.499+0000) > > What the hell is "hate speech" outside discrimination based insults ? > > I never reported anyone in my life for the way they speak; I never report anyone for playing badly, The only time I ever report anyone is intentionally losing the game. If you've never reported anyone in your life for the way they talk to others in chat then its clear why you dont understand why you were punished for the way you were talking to your teammates.
: Mysterious Ranked Dodge
May its because you didn't select a ban that it made you dodge? This might belong in the Report a Bug section.
: RIOT - these chat bans are getting out of control...
>Gragas Undressed: report teemo dc pls >Gragas Undressed: brand you're the worst player on the team. not only dying like crazy but talking trash. teemo is better than you. If that other guy can get banned for calling someone a child, you can get chat restricted for this. Move on and talk nicer.
Gloric (OCE)
: Perm Banned =D, Thanks Rito
>Gloric: oh shut up chinese
Chermorg (NA)
: Riot has statisticians who review data before it’s used to train the machine learning. It is trivial to eliminate obvious troll reports, and it is very easy to do so - even with a computer system.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=00010003000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T17:50:09.878+0000) > > Riot has statisticians who review data before it’s used to train the machine learning. It is trivial to eliminate obvious troll reports, and it is very easy to do so - even with a computer system. Dang, sounds like you got all this inside information no one else does. So I think I saw someone say there are like 80 million players **a month**? And knowing there are millions of trolls who are trolling and submitting millions of false reports YOU ARE TELLING ME ITS TRIVIAL TO ELIMINATE MILLIONS OF THEM? Also, you disregard the not so obvious troll reports.
Chermorg (NA)
: I don’t think anyone’s ever denied some players troll in their reports. The actual influence of those “troll reports” compared to if they did not exist is next to nil. The vast majority of players punished have been reported by multiple people in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=000100030000,timestamp=2018-05-04T17:44:15.514+0000) > > I don’t think anyone’s ever denied some players troll in their reports. > > The actual influence of those “troll reports” compared to if they did not exist is next to nil. The vast majority of players punished have been reported by multiple people in the game. And how would you know their influence was next to nil? As we know that IFS is grown with "machine learning" if enough trolls report erroneously just for the sake of trolling others (like we just saw here admitted) then the machine starts going "enough players reported on it so it must be bad so it must be punished" even if its not something that should get a player punished, like calling someone a child. The Machine Is Being Taught Wrong And The Trolls Are Winning.
: Done with Leauge of Legends
>AceprojectX: janna aint shit >AceprojectX: no fuck u >AceprojectX: no ur just duo %%%%%%s >AceprojectX: shutup >AceprojectX: dup %%%s >AceprojectX: then why the fuck u up each others asses Even though the top line could easily be competitive bs'ing which the Riot Tip says is allowed, all of it together... Like, theres this dude getting punished for calling someone a Child, and you think THIS wouldn't get you punished? jeez.
: Done with Leauge of Legends
Share the log or get out.
Arammus (EUW)
: would you honor a good player if he trash talks a bit?
There is a tip in game that says competitive bs'ing is ok. I wonder how many people get punished for competitive bs'ing..
: The Trolls Have Won And Are Immune To Criticism - Punish the Victims Instead
> [{quoted}](name=SparklingLama,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0JIhtyBM,comment-id=000000000000000100000001000000040000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-04T16:57:45.651+0000) > > So are you going to give us clarification on whats going on or are you just going to ignore the issue like you usually do? I wonder how many downvotes until Chermorg is no longer **ADVISING** people. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Gloric (OCE)
: Perm Banned =D, Thanks Rito
You called your teammate a chimp. You didn't call them a child, you called them a chimp.
Chermorg (NA)
: How does your report somehow correlate to Katarina using profanity? You don’t know why they were punished, and you admit that, yet you then claim this is somehow proof of your conspiracy theory? There is no “ctrl+f” for profanity except for hate speech - so either Katarina used hate speech, or she was toxic in chat. Profanity is not taken into account. You can say fuck all you fucking want.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-04T14:19:38.351+0000) > > How does your report somehow correlate to Katarina using profanity? You don’t know why they were punished, and you admit that, yet you then claim this is somehow proof of your conspiracy theory? > > There is no “ctrl+f” for profanity except for hate speech - so either Katarina used hate speech, or she was toxic in chat. Profanity is not taken into account. You can say fuck all you fucking want. I think you're missing the point of he blindly reported Katarina for doing well in her lane and saying nothing in all chat. He's saying that he unjustly sent a report to her, and for all we know the only thing she said was that one her teammates was acting like a child. We have just witnessed proof of someone troll reporting.
: Damn you talk a lot. Why do you think your teammates care about all those opinions? I read up to "Garen literally starts a 4v5" and already figured you were worth a report. First and foremost, you simply can't be playing the game if you're talking that much. Further, while none of your comments individually may have crossed a line, in aggregate you're really coming across as a condescending person that I wouldn't want to be around. I get it, Galio is having a really bad game. Garen is making some mistakes. Clearly you calling them out on every mistake is not helping them play better. Had you realized that and shut up at that point, maybe you'd get off without punishment. Yet you continued going on and on and on. As the ADC and support on that team, I would have muted you a long time ago, and would have reported you for being annoying and not playing the game. I think what you need to learn is that there isn't this line that says what can be typed and what can't. It's subjective, and generally the more you type, the less negative you can be. Once you hit a certain amount, even neutral comments like "that could have gone worse, I guess" start to become really annoying and may draw reports. You hit that amount, and then some. Garen and Galio likely aren't trolls. They made mistakes and had bad games. They're not getting banned for that. Yes trolls exist, and riot does need to do a better job of banning them faster, but that doesn't make your actions any more acceptable.
> [{quoted}](name=ValyrianBlade,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0JIhtyBM,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2018-05-04T16:27:41.534+0000) > > Damn you talk a lot. > > Why do you think your teammates care about all those opinions? > > I read up to "Garen literally starts a 4v5" and already figured you were worth a report. > > First and foremost, you simply can't be playing the game if you're talking that much. > > Further, while none of your comments individually may have crossed a line, in aggregate you're really coming across as a condescending person that I wouldn't want to be around. I get it, Galio is having a really bad game. Garen is making some mistakes. Clearly you calling them out on every mistake is not helping them play better. Had you realized that and shut up at that point, maybe you'd get off without punishment. Yet you continued going on and on and on. As the ADC and support on that team, I would have muted you a long time ago, and would have reported you for being annoying and not playing the game. > > I think what you need to learn is that there isn't this line that says what can be typed and what can't. It's subjective, and generally the more you type, the less negative you can be. Once you hit a certain amount, even neutral comments like "that could have gone worse, I guess" start to become really annoying and may draw reports. You hit that amount, and then some. > > Garen and Galio likely aren't trolls. They made mistakes and had bad games. They're not getting banned for that. Yes trolls exist, and riot does need to do a better job of banning them faster, but that doesn't make your actions any more acceptable. You can talk a lot while playing.. Some people simply have better typing skills than you... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: > This is what you perma-ban for? No. You were perma-banned because this is your 8th penalty. You were told, not long ago, that the next penalty of any severity would result in a perma-ban.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prX9F3ZE,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-05-03T18:18:25.257+0000) > > No. > > You were perma-banned because this is your 8th penalty. You were told, not long ago, that the next penalty of any severity would result in a perma-ban. Dang, that is a fair number of penalties. He didn't even do as anything as severe as call anyone a child though....
Chermorg (NA)
: I'm glad tribunal was based on the desire of the community and not just what you yourself wanted.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0JIhtyBM,comment-id=000000000000000100000001000000040000,timestamp=2018-05-04T00:05:36.641+0000) > > I'm glad tribunal was based on the desire of the community and not just what you yourself wanted. Except for the trolls who made it their part to punish players who were obviously troll baited (BECAUSE AT LEAST BACK THEN YOU COULD SEE THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION) and they thought it was hilarious to troll as well by punishing those being troll baited. Trolls still govern our report system.
Kilanost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=KiyoYoshimaru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=001600000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T16:16:23.859+0000) > > It is absolutely hilarious how if they talk long enough these guys all reveal themselves in the end. So the real issue is is that you don't understand op's character and item choice. While yes the use of melee minion makes it easier to get the gold/heal proc from relic shield, you dont have to be a melee to use it effectively, thats why {{champion:412}} usually takes it to proc for their ally. By using a ranged champion to do it you put yourself at less risk of counter play by not having to get as close, especially in this matchup against an opposite support who you can avoid the brunt of their skills just by standing behind a wave of minions. All it requires to be used effective is the ability to last hit a minion, which was being made impossible because the adc in question Varus was mindlessly autoing and pushing, which is, 100%, completely, without a doubt, unequivocally, the adc's fault, not the supports fault. If i was Thresh with relic and the adc wouldnt let me last hit to proc the relic shield to heal them. **that would still be the adcs fault.** A self healing champion like Swain who wanted to heal the adc with their items but the adc refused to let them **Is the fault of the adc, not the support,** especially if the adc is at like 200 health and SEES that their support has 2 charges of relic shield that they could use to contribute to the sustain in lane. The adc **basically inted** by making those poor choices. Reveal myself? keep the drama in the theater dude. Also who exactly are "these guys." You're talking like theres some elaborate conspiracy against you and the OP. If you want the procs on relic shield, you should be using a champion that can make good use of it. The OP's character and item choice isn't exactly brain surgery level difficulty to understand. In fact, I can appreciate the swain pick there. the relic shield is questionable but not my point (more on that below). My point is that he made a decision and that decision has gameplay consequences. In the example you're talking about, his adc was low and just wanted to shove the wave out as fast as possible so he wouldn't get ganked and so he'd get a decent back timer. The adc didn't int, the adc was trying to shove the wave and back. Additionally, using thresh as an example isn't particularly relevant because thresh's e gives him a lot of extra auto damage to facilitate killing minions when he has an available proc which doesn't change the flow of the lane and the manipulation of the minion waves. Assuming that the OP was able to get those procs off, thats an extra 30-40 healing total for both charges, not individually. If the OP had moved to the river for vision and CC in case of a gank instead of hovering around the minions looking for a last hit and spamming chat when he didn't get what he wanted, the outcome may have been better. Now about relic shield. Here is the passive: UNIQUE – SPOILS OF WAR: **_Melee role Melee autoattacks execute minions below 200 - 285 (based on level) health_**. Killing a minion by any means heals you and the nearest allied champion for 15 (+ 2% of missing health) health and grants them kill gold. **Healing is halved if the owner is Ranged role ranged. ** There is a reason the double relic bot lane has died down and its because it got nerfed hard for ranged. The OP wanted to build tankier and wanted the big gold from cannon minion kills. The reality is that its not that much extra health, you can't make good use of the item, and the other options would have effectively generated him more gold and increased his lane presence.
> [{quoted}](name=Kilanost,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=0016000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T17:12:12.260+0000) > > Reveal myself? keep the drama in the theater dude. Also who exactly are "these guys." You're talking like theres some elaborate conspiracy against you and the OP. > > If you want the procs on relic shield, you should be using a champion that can make good use of it. The OP's character and item choice isn't exactly brain surgery level difficulty to understand. In fact, I can appreciate the swain pick there. the relic shield is questionable but not my point (more on that below). My point is that he made a decision and that decision has gameplay consequences. In the example you're talking about, his adc was low and just wanted to shove the wave out as fast as possible so he wouldn't get ganked and so he'd get a decent back timer. The adc didn't int, the adc was trying to shove the wave and back. Additionally, using thresh as an example isn't particularly relevant because thresh's e gives him a lot of extra auto damage to facilitate killing minions when he has an available proc which doesn't change the flow of the lane and the manipulation of the minion waves. Assuming that the OP was able to get those procs off, thats an extra 30-40 healing total for both charges, not individually. If the OP had moved to the river for vision and CC in case of a gank instead of hovering around the minions looking for a last hit and spamming chat when he didn't get what he wanted, the outcome may have been better. > > Now about relic shield. Here is the passive: UNIQUE – SPOILS OF WAR: **_Melee role Melee autoattacks execute minions below 200 - 285 (based on level) health_**. Killing a minion by any means heals you and the nearest allied champion for 15 (+ 2% of missing health) health and grants them kill gold. **Healing is halved if the owner is Ranged role ranged. ** > > There is a reason the double relic bot lane has died down and its because it got nerfed hard for ranged. The OP wanted to build tankier and wanted the big gold from cannon minion kills. The reality is that its not that much extra health, you can't make good use of the item, and the other options would have effectively generated him more gold and increased his lane presence. Strategy: When you're ADC and super low and your support can heal you just by last hitting a couple of minions, you should not allow him to and instead push your lane out as far as you can while you have barely any health left, disregarding any sense that this puts you in position for any sort of ganks (the enemy jg could easily flash from behind the wall turret side and its done). The OP is wrong for being considerate in his build to get a relic shield to help sustain the adc, regardless of whether or not is was nerfed. It being _nerfed_ does not mean it doesn't contribute. Picking any of the other gold items **would not heal the adc at all and therefore does not lead to sustaining the adc** so even if its nerfed it is still a very optimal pick. Conclusion: Good support, poor adc. The only thing the OP did in regards to that is ask the adc to let them be healed, then gave up on that, and simply continued to play the lane as best as possible even though the adc was basically inting by not letting themselves be healed when the heal is available.
: If you continue to do so after being told that it's unacceptable (as the player in question was, three times), yes. You absolutely should be banned. Namecalling and insults are against the rules you agree to in order to play here. "Children" and "idiots" counts as namecalling and insults. Violating the rules repeatedly results in a ban. Any questions?
> [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eVExAoYp,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T17:11:20.959+0000) > > If you continue to do so after being told that it's unacceptable (as the player in question was, three times), yes. You absolutely should be banned. > > Namecalling and insults are not allowed. > > "Children" and "idiots" counts as namecalling and insults. > > Any questions? Was the player in question chat restricted for calling someone a child before? Or are you spouting nonsense.
Chermorg (NA)
: It doesn't matter if it's "tame" in your opinion. It's still an insult and has **no place in League**. If you can't take being subjected to rules that are intended to ensure that **everyone** can have fun in League, then please feel free to not play the game. League is a game for all - not a game for those who want to sit around taking shit for 30+ minutes. Most players want to have a calm, fun game - not a game filled with insults - no matter how "tame".
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-03T16:03:38.796+0000) > > It doesn't matter if it's "tame" in your opinion. It's still an insult and has **no place in League**. > > If you can't take being subjected to rules that are intended to ensure that **everyone** can have fun in League, then please feel free to not play the game. League is a game for all - not a game for those who want to sit around taking shit for 30+ minutes. Most players want to have a calm, fun game - not a game filled with insults - no matter how "tame". You know, I think it **very childish** of you to think calling someone a child should be a punishable offence. I also think its **utterly foolish** of you that you'd think calling someone foolish is a punishable offence. I also wish a Real Rioter goes back and talks to that riot support who also thinks calling someone foolish or a child is a punishable offence because they clearly need re-education on what is a toxic offence and what isn't a toxic offence.
y0r1ck (NA)
: Just watched the video. Lulutopsionmid is disruptive and annoying. It has nothing to do with idiot or child. He's just tilted by teammates and getting camped and taking it out on his adc.
> [{quoted}](name=ALegoPiece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eVExAoYp,comment-id=000000010002,timestamp=2018-05-03T07:56:52.345+0000) > > Just watched the video. Lulutopsionmid is disruptive and annoying. It has nothing to do with idiot or child. He's just tilted by teammates and getting camped and taking it out on his adc. It was already stated in the shared riot chat picture that calling someone utterly foolish, senseless, or a child was deemed the punishable offence, **AS INSANE AS THAT IS.**
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: > [{quoted}](name=SyraKen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2018-05-03T01:29:12.861+0000) > > Sure are alot of trolls coming in out of the wood works. Obviously didn't watch the video, op playedvery steadily through the entire match. Obviously saying "trolled a rank game" because of the off-meta pick as though that in and of itself is what "troll" means. Varus dieing constantly =/= doing more. Ranged Characters can't execute minions so not even sure what that comment is about. Was tanking for the adc so the adc could do damage while they had a tank is trolling now? Should a thresh build ap because its skills scale ap, or should it build tank? If my adc had 50 health and wouldn't let met use relic charges to heal them, it would be completely their fault. If you had 50 health and your support didn't heal you when they had relic shield charges, it would be completely your fault. You are a trolls best friend, leave. my bro, you don't understand, im not flaming here, im telling the truth, there is nothing i gain when i say deserved but as im a player and to say my opinion i don't want to play with someone that [ Didn't understand his mistake - Didn't say sorry during the game - Didn't play positive - Didn't pick the right item - Blaming team mates - Arguing with everyone in team ] Purely trolling. @personally i don't want anyone to be banned but not even considered to say sorry? sorry guys it was my fault? my mistake? No? then deserved. - 1. I didn't say 1 word about the off-meta picks, Swain can be played support but not like that, And not to AFTERSHOCK THRESH The OP didn't recognizes his mistakes instead he chosen to blame Varus or Even to argue with the team. 2. Relic shield when upgraded makes executing minions less forgiving for both ranged and melee, Not very useful for ranged though. 3. i watched the whole video from minute 1 to the end of it, the OP didn't focus in the game, Played swain wrong maxed W and E didn't do heck in that game. Playing swain = AP with 1 or 2 support or Tank item After the 3 Core AP items will be kinda ok. Magic pen Boot {{item:3020}} + spell thief Edge {{item:3092}} will be his Core for starting items, Then he can go liandry {{item:3151}} + morello {{item:3165}} for more core items, after that he can pick 2 tank items if he wish. 4. Playing support role, is to Support Your lane not going solo 1v2 mistakes like this is easy to know. Actually i don't think he were more toxic than ruining the game for four other players in his team, Not only!! but also were too complaining in a ranked game about something [Was already his mistake from the start] you think im dumb? huh? when i saw relic after he bought it i understood everything before even the game started. whatsoever with that AFTERSHOCK Thresh im not sure Swain Support will be any useful, Swain Support Cant do shit with Thresh Aftershock. So playing Wrong + Wrong items + None Focus + Mistakes in game + Blaming team + Arguing whole game + Leaving Adc solo lane All that And the OP is right? Such a crazy world we are living in !!
> [{quoted}](name=ˆOcToPuSˆ,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=001100000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T02:48:10.054+0000) > > my bro, you don't understand, im not flaming here, im telling the truth, there is nothing i gain when i say deserved but as im a player and to say my opinion i don't want to play with someone that > > [ Didn't understand his mistake - Didn't say sorry during the game - Didn't play positive - Didn't pick the right item - Blaming team mates - Arguing with everyone in team ] > Purely trolling. > > @personally i don't want anyone to be banned but not even considered to say sorry? sorry guys it was my fault? my mistake? No? then deserved. > - > > 1. I didn't say 1 word about the off-meta picks, Swain can be played support but not like that, And not to AFTERSHOCK THRESH The OP didn't recognizes his mistakes instead he chosen to blame Varus or Even to argue with the team. > > 2. Relic shield when upgraded makes executing minions less forgiving for both ranged and melee, Not very useful for ranged though. > > 3. i watched the whole video from minute 1 to the end of it, the OP didn't focus in the game, Played swain wrong maxed W and E didn't do heck in that game. Playing swain = AP with 1 or 2 support or Tank item After the 3 Core AP items will be kinda ok. > Magic pen Boot {{item:3020}} + spell thief Edge {{item:3092}} will be his Core for starting items, Then he can go liandry {{item:3151}} + morello {{item:3165}} for more core items, after that he can pick 2 tank items if he wish. > > 4. Playing support role, is to Support Your lane not going solo 1v2 mistakes like this is easy to know. > > Actually i don't think he were more toxic than ruining the game for four other players in his team, Not only!! but also were too complaining in a ranked game about something [Was already his mistake from the start] you think im dumb? huh? when i saw relic after he bought it i understood everything before even the game started. > > whatsoever with that AFTERSHOCK Thresh im not sure Swain Support will be any useful, Swain Support Cant do shit with Thresh Aftershock. > So playing Wrong + Wrong items + None Focus + Mistakes in game + Blaming team + Arguing whole game + Leaving Adc solo lane All that And the OP is right? > > Such a crazy world we are living in !! Now, you see, you almost got away with it. You tried to sound all wise in what you were saying. "I watched the video i know what i'm talking about." But see, you screwed up the moment you said "Played swain wrong " is the moment you revealed yourself. You do NOT support players being off-meta, because not only is picking characters not normally picked for a position off-meta, but so is building in a way that is not normally built. There was nothing wrong with the OP building relic for swain to use to heal Varus. There was also nothing wrong when he explained to Varus that if Varus didn't let him kill a minion he couldn't heal Varus. Nothing wrong at all. Thats not blaming, thats explaining the game mechanics. > So playing Wrong + Wrong items No, its not that they played wrong, its that they played in a way that you didn't understand or even tried to understand. You have not seen other players do it or post about it in the forums ergo it must be wrong and bad. You have completely shut yourself to the idea that the OP is right just because you do not like his choice of character, you do not like his choice of items, and you do not like the strategy he is attempting to employ. Maxing W and E allowed for faster snare and slow combos, vital for cc'ing during teamfights and in lane, as well as W naturally does a high amount of damage. Q is more for farming and since he is not of the mind to just mindlessly waste mana or steal creeps, Q is ignored. Why would Swain tank be worse than Thresh Tank? Thresh grabs, dashes in, presses r for a slow field capture attempt. Swain laughs, presses R, boosts his health, starts healing from everything in range, and heals even more with his maxed W and E as he snares and slows the Thresh (or enemy adc). This scene played out multiple times throughout the game. You do not see any of it as good because you A) Have not tried it yourself B) Do not know anyone else has C) Have not heard of it and D) Hate when people do something new and different that no one else does. You may in fact be the worst kind of player in the community, the ones who are closed minded and dont actually know that much about the mechanics of the game, but will belittle, berate, threaten, and execute reports onto anyone who you think is a threat to what you believe to be "the way the game should be played." Politely, i'm disgusted by you.
: Perm banned for being the bigger person and telling someone not to be toxic?
Typing "i'm feeding" is an automatic flag even if you weren't actually saying that you were feeding but responding to someones response.
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> [{quoted}](name=ˆOcToPuSˆ,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjOPu8hF,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-05-03T00:15:54.800+0000) > > <Removed by Moderation> Sure are alot of trolls coming in out of the wood works. Obviously didn't watch the video, op playedvery steadily through the entire match. Obviously saying "trolled a rank game" because of the off-meta pick as though that in and of itself is what "troll" means. Varus dieing constantly =/= doing more. Ranged Characters can't execute minions so not even sure what that comment is about. Was tanking for the adc so the adc could do damage while they had a tank is trolling now? Should a thresh build ap because its skills scale ap, or should it build tank? If my adc had 50 health and wouldn't let met use relic charges to heal them, it would be completely their fault. If you had 50 health and your support didn't heal you when they had relic shield charges, it would be completely your fault. You are a trolls best friend, leave.
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