: Riot should punish trolls harder
Riot should ban trolls, not ignore them. There are tons of players that are deliberate trolls that hide it behind "bad games" or whatever else. However, when you openly show that you are trolling the game in chat, there is no excuse. And yet, this is still not punished. The problem is that too many people want to defend trolls and say that they should be allowed to continue existing because it might just be "a bad game." Thing is... bad games happen and blatant trolling is blatant. It is the single biggest problem with the game.
: Will this actually get me in trouble?
Riot cares about chat violations and only very rarely about gameplay violations, unfortunately. However, you did nothing wrong based on what you said here. Someone hovering a champion does not give them the right to that champion. Banning a hovered champion is potentially a violation of the ToS but merely picking a champion first is not.
: FIX THIS GOOD GOD PLEASE
Been happening for five? or so months. Ever since Clash was brought back, whenever that was. Clash caused problems last time and now again and Riot will not fix it because people keep playing and putting up with it.
: Aram is unplayable
ARAM is horrible because of this and the constant AFKs Unfortunately, Summoner's Rift is awful without URF so..... guess that is why my games per day died compared to before. :D
: im not sad cause eu lost, im sad because...
Thing is.... G2 actually played "their game" in game one and it failed. Hard. And honestly... you can see the whole year was beyond suspicious.
: Riot directly asked me to post in Player Behavior. Then it was subsequently deleted, because it was the wrong category. Wait what? But it was you Riot that asked me to post THERE. This is me understanding Riot's algorithms and logic: ?????????????? The worst troll in the game is the one governing it. It was such a good post too! There goes Riot... ruining the experience to control us.
> [{quoted}](name=Elderly Woman,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=TKltWgEG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-10T17:17:24.165+0000) > > Riot directly asked me to post in Player Behavior. Then it was subsequently deleted, because it was the wrong category. Wait what? But it was you Riot that asked me to post THERE. This is me understanding Riot's algorithms and logic: ?????????????? > The worst troll in the game is the one governing it. > It was such a good post too! > There goes Riot... ruining the experience to control us. Riot told me to post on the boards once too. It was then downvoted into oblivion by the people that just follow you around to downvote you because you disagree with them. It is quite amusing.
: Yes, because I'm sure the majority of analysts are better players than the pros, and that most pros are just bad. Jayce has his thing he does. It doesn't require a genius to do it. He doesn't really do anything else. He has very little mechanical depth overall. Because of this, if he doesn't have a lead, he probably loses. That's the reason he's bad. Its not because he's hard. The hardest part about Jayce is judging when to use his speed gate for engages for your team...which isn't very hard and Shurelia's kinda does it better.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000200000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T03:53:52.467+0000) > > Yes, because I'm sure the majority of analysts are better players than the pros, and that most pros are just bad. > > Jayce has his thing he does. It doesn't require a genius to do it. He doesn't really do anything else. He has very little mechanical depth overall. Because of this, if he doesn't have a lead, he probably loses. That's the reason he's bad. Its not because he's hard. > > The hardest part about Jayce is judging when to use his speed gate for engages for your team...which isn't very hard and Shurelia's kinda does it better. You are literally talking about half his kit an thinking you know how to play him. That is simply proof enough that this conversation is pointless. Ask TheShy or Impact or Khan how simple he is to play. And why no other top laners can actually perform on him?
: How many of you actually are burned out because of urf and don't like the regular game cause of urf?
Honestly, there is no legitimate reason to not make URF permanent. People can rant and rave about how it burns people out or whatever else, but that is not legitimate and they know it. The truth is, they realize they made a game mode better than regular League (because they ruined League) and they do not like how much attention it gets. If they wanted players to enjoy the game, it would be a permanent game mode.
: URF
Instead we get stuck with TFT. URF is really the only reason to play League of Legends at this point and it is gone. Back to ARAM, if anything, I guess.
: Make urf permanant
Honestly.. the moment that URF went away, I lost interest in playing the game... I might try a game or two and see if I can enjoy it. But honestly, League is awful and has been for a while. Only URF really made me enjoy it. If it was permanent, the game would be much better. Riot even lied in their post about it. :D They released this thing that says it makes people quit. However, a while back, they said that when they left it available for an extended period of time it actually increased players. Yet, when it came back this time, we got it for less than two weeks. Riot literally slapping their players in the face over and over again.
: Cant comment on boards posts
Yeah.. it keeps happening to me too. So, now I copy all of my posts and when it fails, I reload the page and post again. Beautiful bugs are beautiful.
BA113R (NA)
: That's what I thought! ADC claimed they got bug splat and apparently you can't remake if they are actively trying to connect. Still can't believe it took 10 minutes to connect though.
> [{quoted}](name=BA113R,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LTmiNAlZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T03:11:12.195+0000) > > That's what I thought! ADC claimed they got bug splat and apparently you can't remake if they are actively trying to connect. Still can't believe it took 10 minutes to connect though. Yep. It is a ridiculous bug that should have been fixed within a day much less 5 months. Yet... here we are. And the "remake" system is awful.
: I actually main{{champion:83}} i spammed him frim b4 to silver this season. I take all of the side lane towers then proceed to join the fights. I leave the inhib towers for later
> [{quoted}](name=d4rkshock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbLt6JOw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-10T02:47:02.672+0000) > > I actually main{{champion:83}} i spammed him frim b4 to silver this season. I take all of the side lane towers then proceed to join the fights. I leave the inhib towers for later Split-pushing with Yorick is devastating and can win games by himself. You should do fine. Of course.. there are a lot of trolls out there and that cannot be taken care of by you sadly. Lots of people think that trolling is fine, unfortunately.
: > [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T01:22:24.629+0000) > > Not what I meant. > > But, separately... > Korean solo queue is much different. > The love of Ezreal, competent play of high-skill champions like Jayce and Taliyah, etc. They don't have any more competent play of Jayce than other regions. Jayce isn't even hard btw. He just only has one option to win: get a lead early and snowball. That's the only reason his winrate is low. He does nothing when he's not ahead. Frankly, hit kit is pretty poorly designed. Pretty much the same deal with Taliyah, except her design isn't that bad. __________ Really though, what makes you think Jayce takes skill? You literally just poke and stay at range til you hit Q then all-in and 1 shot...E them away if you don't and retry in a few seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T02:35:06.686+0000) > > They don't have any more competent play of Jayce than other regions. Jayce isn't even hard btw. He just only has one option to win: get a lead early and snowball. That's the only reason his winrate is low. He does nothing when he's not ahead. Frankly, hit kit is pretty poorly designed. > > Pretty much the same deal with Taliyah, except her design isn't that bad. > > __________ > > Really though, what makes you think Jayce takes skill? You literally just poke and stay at range til you hit Q then all-in and 1 shot...E them away if you don't and retry in a few seconds. This is a common misconception. Jayce is exceedingly hard to play against skilled players. Most pro players that "play" Jayce are extremely bad. Analysts and pro players talk about this a lot actually.
pwc2016 (NA)
: Get this "late game champion" bullshit out of here
Here is the thing... If you want to punish late game champions, pick an early game champion. And actually perform like an early game champion. Your power-spikes come much earlier than their's do and you can easily act like it. Renekton can kill Kayle early game easily.
BA113R (NA)
: Update remake system!
The system should allow a remake if someone is sitting afk at the beginning of the game and then disconnects. This is a really, really simple thing that seems to be impossible to address...
Rioter Comments
: What tanks wished they could do
Better than hyper-mobile burst meta.
: What am i supposed to do as top when my botlane feeds
Bot lane is already a dumpster fire. Honestly, just play hyper carries or split-pushers and make the enemy team react to you.
: Imagine I worked my entire life to get to gold promos, one game to determine everything, and then..
In reality, it is impossible to justify this action and should be banned instantly. Trolls are far too rampant and not punished for years at a time.
pwc2016 (NA)
: Get this "late game champion" bullshit out of here
Ehhh.... Early game champions are the problem. Games are over fast right now.
: Can Ryze Stop outtrading with Mana Crystal
This is what happens when you lower the skill floor on a champion that should only be played by high-skill players. Dumbing down the game has very bad consequences for the average player.
: I understand early game champions are supposed to be good at zoning
Riot wants to lower the skill floor of the game. Doing so makes certain champions, like Renekton, busted.
: Not even pro play. Korea plays a different game than westerners.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T01:20:46.166+0000) > > Not even pro play. Korea plays a different game than westerners. Not what I meant. But, separately... Korean solo queue is much different. The love of Ezreal, competent play of high-skill champions like Jayce and Taliyah, etc.
: What's one thing that Riot did right or you like?
{{champion:498}} {{champion:497}} Now an oldie {{summoner:4}}
: garbage ass loading screen bug
Five months straight this has been happening, on absolutely top-end (like $12k computers) and on trashy computers as well. No other programs running, or with programs running. Literally, the only consistency is that it is Riot's client. They will not fix it apparently.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:40:52.215+0000) > > Really? You're going to claim Ahri is weak with the 4th highest pick rates in mid lane, along with the 6th highest winrate, BARELY behind the top, which is %52.31 vs 53.1%. The next closest is 52.80% btw. > > Tell me some real context for how she's weak. I bet you don't have an argument. Faker said Ahri is weak, and does no damage. He even questioned if Ahri is a real champ. I can link the video if you want.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-11-10T00:50:00.520+0000) > > Faker said Ahri is weak, and does no damage. He even questioned if Ahri is a real champ. I can link the video if you want. Eh... Pro play is questionable now to say the least.
: just lost 20 more lp cus of the trash bug :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I like how this is being downvoted and complained about as "your problem" except I know a ton of people who have reinstalled League, use completely clean high-end gaming computers with no other programs running, and still encounter the bug that freezes your game in the load screen and encounter it often, no matter how many times they have used the repair tool, reinstalled, or done various other things. This bug existed since Clash came back for that weird "beta." Clash caused a bug when it first came out and now again when it came back... and it still exists like five months or so later?
: Zed Rant/Discussion
Zed is one of the problems with the game. Hyper-mobile, high damage, multiple power-spikes throughout the game. He is not anywhere near the most broken champion, we have several way worse, but he has the same problems that ones like Qiyanna, Pyke, Reworked Akali, etc bring to the table. Unfortunately, he was made a very long time ago and thus is weaker than them. The concept, however, is a problem. And as mentioned, anywhere below Master you are just fine on him. He can easily devastate a game, even from behind (regardless of what is said about him). At level 6, he can easily kill almost anyone he lanes against and again with Duskblade. At Platinum+ he is currently listed in S+ Tier on Lolalytics.com and is 7th in best champions. He is not in a bad spot at all. Nor has he been for a very long time.
IPERFECTO (EUW)
: Youtube just went even lower to the bottom with their shit...
Companies only listen to money. Boycott or nothing will ever change.
Jikker (NA)
: As stated in your removal message, uncivil discussion includes cases of bickering, sarcastic replies, arguing, name-calling and the like. When you responded to a toxic poster by telling him "Ure literally what's wrong with this community." and that "Your ego is so high", you are participating in the toxic behavior by name calling and inflaming him further. We can understand people get upset and frustrated on the Boards, but that does not serve as a valid excuse to resort to the same sort of behavior. In the future, it's best to disengage from toxic or inflammatory discussions and report offensive comments. I'd also like to remind you that the removal was without warning or mark against your account; it serves as more of a friendly reminder/nudge in the right direction rather than an actual violation. Here is a full copy of the removed comment; let me know if there's anything I can further clarify. > What does that have to do with the fact that you're wrong? Ure literally what's wrong with this community. Your ego is so high that the moment someone called you out for saying something that is factually wrong u attacked him by saying he is bronze instead of admitting you were wrong. > Learn to welcome criticism and you'll improve. High ego is what plagues this game
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=VmbFx8pL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:06:28.922+0000) > > As stated in your removal message, uncivil discussion includes cases of bickering, sarcastic replies, arguing, name-calling and the like. When you responded to a toxic poster by telling him "Ure literally what's wrong with this community." and that "Your ego is so high", you are participating in the toxic behavior by name calling and inflaming him further. We can understand people get upset and frustrated on the Boards, but that does not serve as a valid excuse to resort to the same sort of behavior. > > In the future, it's best to disengage from toxic or inflammatory discussions and report offensive comments. > > I'd also like to remind you that the removal was without warning or mark against your account; it serves as more of a friendly reminder/nudge in the right direction rather than an actual violation. > > Here is a full copy of the removed comment; let me know if there's anything I can further clarify. Question, since my other post was downvoted immediately.. Around 70% or more of the threads and posts violate the Rules, based on how vague they are and how they are currently being interpreted by moderators. Should we just report them all?
: Why are gameplay mods deleting threads about gameplay
It is happening with a lot of different things. I posted a thread about the Rules and how they are vague and give incentive to abuse them and it was instantly downvoted of course. But the thing is.. there is pretty clear misuse of power (I was targeted specifically after I disagreed with a mod that posted incorrect information). And since then, I have had a thread deleted and a post deleted. Despite both actually being more valid than over 70% of what is on the forums right now.
: I don't understand the "low effort" rule
Vagueness in rules exist to misuse them. That is it. There is a reason legal documents are incredibly drawn out and sound insane rather than saying, "Stop doing that." Of course, that should never be needed on a forum. However, actual clarity is. Otherwise, abuses will always happen and gives certain people incentives to misuse the rules to get special treatment.
: Why remove my comments for "harassment and insults"?
I posted a thread about the Rules and how they are open to abuse by favoritism. I think the Rules, as they are, are impossible to use. They are very much geared towards making favoritism the way to choose who is punished and who is not. If you check the level of threads and posts that actually violate the rules it is somewhere over 70% because the rules are so vague and open they allow people to make decisions based on who reported it, how many downvotes they have and such. There is no consistency because the Rules do not require consistency and it is clear in the way things are handled. Oh yeah... And it was instantly downvoted, in a sub-forum that is meant for Mods to respond to... :D It proves my point perfectly. The same group of people who hate you follow you around and abuse the rules in a way that prevents them from getting punished while being protected by moderators.
: Bronze either has high mmr or is put as an anchor for your team. Person on enemy team is unranked so their mmr is already starting off in high silver mmr. Gold players can have low mmr. You're just looking at ranks, not the actual elo.
> [{quoted}](name=Low Elo Tyrant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXPNVb4N,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T23:40:41.325+0000) > > Bronze either has high mmr or is put as an anchor for your team. Person on enemy team is unranked so their mmr is already starting off in high silver mmr. Gold players can have low mmr. You're just looking at ranks, not the actual elo. If the ranked system was done properly, Gold would actually be better than Silver or Bronze though.
Rioter Comments
PalPlays (NA)
: Are we all so entitled that we can't just come back in a few hours?
We still have that bug where the entire client freezes in the load screen for five months. End of the day is pretty optimistic for any bug to be honest.
5050BS (NA)
: At 180 stacks she can Auto attack Turrets outside Turret Rage. I stopped stacking at 208 stacks because the Range just kept going up and was close to going off the screen
> [{quoted}](name=5050BS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEZWViqm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-30T22:08:21.209+0000) > > At 180 stacks she can Auto attack Turrets outside Turret Rage. > > I stopped stacking at 208 stacks because the Range just kept going up and was close to going off the screen Remember, anything you say that contradicts the narrative is subject to being removed. Second time now. Even though every single streamer and pro player has shown how broken she is.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Wafy3qf3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:42:14.785+0000) > > Ehh.. > Timing plus the presence of multiple similar posts that actually provide no discourse as well plus the lack of response about the inaccuracies except the random downvoting without acknowledging the actual facts. Kinda makes it all seem a little bit not legitimate at a glance. > But things can be coincidences. > > Also, about the hats thing.. :D > I used to go to a comic book website and a really good moderator there used to have an image of a Top Hat that had (Mod Hat) written in it that he would use for official posts as a moderator. > You reminded me of that. :D In this case, I know you have only my word to take, but I will assure you again this is one of those random coincidences. That's cool about the hat. My line of work has me wear a hat when on duty so I just use it as an example since I have to literally "put on the hat" when I have to get serious =P
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Wafy3qf3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:52:56.140+0000) > > In this case, I know you have only my word to take, but I will assure you again this is one of those random coincidences. > > That's cool about the hat. My line of work has me wear a hat when on duty so I just use it as an example since I have to literally "put on the hat" when I have to get serious =P It happens. I am just staying what would cause that perception is all. I tend to disregard 99% of the random posts and such that claim bias because a lot of them are nonsense. Yeah, I understand. :D It can be helpful. Fortunately I do not wear a cap as part of work, but I wear one when I am lazy and do not want to fix my hair. :D
Lost R (NA)
: Lulu has six, technically seven (W and E affect friendly and enemy champions differently, and her E lends her ally her passive, and it reveals enemy champions even in stealth). And supposedly she's getting buffed in the preseason. All of Nami's skills boost ally movement speed, her W is both an attack spell AND a heal, she has a crowd stun on a Q. Who knew supports were a thing? I know this all-assassin meta inspired the community to drink lead-based paint until their brains became soft mush so they could focus exclusively on the one thing they aren't even halfway decent at, but come the fuck on.
> [{quoted}](name=Lost R,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VqrQZsEj,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:41:58.234+0000) > > Lulu has six, technically seven (W and E affect friendly and enemy champions differently, and her E lends her ally her passive, and it reveals enemy champions even in stealth). And supposedly she's getting buffed in the preseason. > > All of Nami's skills boost ally movement speed, her W is both an attack spell AND a heal, she has a crowd stun on a Q. > > Who knew supports were a thing? I know this all-assassin meta inspired the community to drink lead-based paint until their brains became soft mush so they could focus exclusively on the one thing they aren't even halfway decent at, but come the fuck on. Nami's heal bounces up to 3 targets. Senna heals multiple allies and harms multiple enemies and hits minions, with much further range that scales with her range. Senna boosts her whole team and gives them an unclickable mechanic plus obscures who they are while enhancing their movement as well. Her ultimate is a global ulti that is wider than the other global ADC ultis that has a massive area for a shield. Her passive is just a better version of Kindred's scaling with no known cap yet. Her root is just an improved Jhin root. So yeah... she is more overloaded than any of those champions. Supports also have tons of drawbacks in most cases. Lux is a case of Riot wanting to sell skins and she has been overtuned for ages. Senna is still worse.
Bârd (NA)
: Moobeat has the wrong numbers. It was always 50, its probably that he had two adaptive force stat shards when he recorded the number and he didn't notice.
> [{quoted}](name=Bârd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wqes0v6H,comment-id=0009000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:19:23.446+0000) > > Moobeat has the wrong numbers. > > It was always 50, its probably that he had two adaptive force stat shards when he recorded the number and he didn't notice. Ooh, I signed into PBE and it has 50. :D Yay!! She is less broken.
Jikker (NA)
: Hey there, I'm the one that removed your thread as I saw it more as a Rant rather than a productive, content forward Gameplay discussion. I was completely unaware that you were having a disagreement with another mod in another thread and I can assure you 100% guarantee that had nothing to do with the removal. The Moderation Team actively strives to separate our posting mindset from our moderator mindset (two different hats so to speak) when making judgments on thread removals. I do not believe any mod currently on our team would remove something just because they had a disagreement with another poster. If you believe this is not the case, you can submit that information directly to our oversight Heralds on the [Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) and they will review it. I'd also like to note that your thread was removed as part of the limitations of the Boards that do not permit us to move threads. It's basically a "this is the wrong section, no worries about your account status" curation removal and if the Boards had the ability to move threads, I would have moved it. There are no marks against your account because of this removal. If you see threads you believe are in the wrong sub-board or are rants as well, please report them and we'll handle as appropriate. If you have questions about why it was considered more apt for the Rant sub-board, don't hesitate to ask. {{sticker:poppy-wink}}
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Wafy3qf3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:22:00.728+0000) > > Hey there, > > I'm the one that removed your thread as I saw it more as a Rant rather than a productive, content forward Gameplay discussion. I was completely unaware that you were having a disagreement with another mod in another thread and I can assure you 100% guarantee that had nothing to do with the removal. The Moderation Team actively strives to separate our posting mindset from our moderator mindset (two different hats so to speak) when making judgments on thread removals. I do not believe any mod currently on our team would remove something just because they had a disagreement with another poster. If you believe this is not the case, you can submit that information directly to our oversight Heralds on the [Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) and they will review it. > > I'd also like to note that your thread was removed as part of the limitations of the Boards that do not permit us to move threads. It's basically a "this is the wrong section, no worries about your account status" curation removal and if the Boards had the ability to move threads, I would have moved it. There are no marks against your account because of this removal. > > If you see threads you believe are in the wrong sub-board or are rants as well, please report them and we'll handle as appropriate. > > If you have questions about why it was considered more apt for the Rant sub-board, don't hesitate to ask. > > {{sticker:poppy-wink}} Ehh.. Timing plus the presence of multiple similar posts that actually provide no discourse as well plus the lack of response about the inaccuracies except the random downvoting without acknowledging the actual facts. Kinda makes it all seem a little bit not legitimate at a glance. But things can be coincidences. Also, about the hats thing.. :D I used to go to a comic book website and a really good moderator there used to have an image of a Top Hat that had (Mod Hat) written in it that he would use for official posts as a moderator. You reminded me of that. :D
Vonyalo (EUW)
: I've decided to go back to ARAM for awhile
I once had a streak of 17 straight games with someone AFK. :D Feel happy it is only 40-50%
iiGazeii (NA)
: She does attack slower. Her auto attack windup time is one of the longest in the game, sitting at 0.5 seconds. Her autoattack speed is slower than other ADCs. The bonus on-hit damage offsets her slow autos. Making it a separate effect rather than just giving her a high base AD allows the devs to tune her scaling more easily and apply it to her Q. The range, crit, and lifesteal are all the "free stats" she gets from collecting ghouls. They're a bundle, not separate things. The overcapping of crit is only there so that she can actually build crit items without worrying about wasting value. It was a simplification, but not an oversimplification. Her passive is simple. Collect ghouls, get free stats, deal an on-hit effect to offset your slow attacks. That is what it does in a nutshell. It isn't this massive overbearing passive that requires a degree in game design to understand. Her synergy with on-hit items like Rageblade is poor because she attacks so slowly and has no AS stim in her kit. "Overloaded" doesn't mean "does lots of things". It means "does lots of unnecessary things". Everything she does is totally within the realm of what a utility-based marksman should be doing. She's no different from Kog'Maw or Ashe in terms of strength and role.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEZWViqm,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:28:45.479+0000) > > She does attack slower. Her auto attack windup time is one of the longest in the game, sitting at 0.5 seconds. Her autoattack speed is slower than other ADCs. The bonus on-hit damage offsets her slow autos. Making it a separate effect rather than just giving her a high base AD allows the devs to tune her scaling more easily and apply it to her Q. > > The range, crit, and lifesteal are all the "free stats" she gets from collecting ghouls. They're a bundle, not separate things. The overcapping of crit is only there so that she can actually build crit items without worrying about wasting value. > > It was a simplification, but not an oversimplification. Her passive is simple. Collect ghouls, get free stats, deal an on-hit effect to offset your slow attacks. That is what it does in a nutshell. It isn't this massive overbearing passive that requires a degree in game design to understand. Her synergy with on-hit items like Rageblade is poor because she attacks so slowly and has no AS stim in her kit. > > "Overloaded" doesn't mean "does lots of things". It means "does lots of unnecessary things". Everything she does is totally within the realm of what a utility-based marksman should be doing. She's no different from Kog'Maw or Ashe in terms of strength and role. You literally said, "hits slower and harder." In what way does range make her hit harder? Or lifesteal gained from excessive crit in her build?
Bârd (NA)
: Her passive stacks are made up for by her having 50 base AD and no AD per level.
> [{quoted}](name=Bârd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wqes0v6H,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:05:42.898+0000) > > Her passive stacks are made up for by her having 50 base AD and no AD per level. 50 base AD? When did that happen... Cuz it kinda shows 63 and did last night as well?
iiGazeii (NA)
: Passive: Collect ghouls for free stats. Your attacks are slow, but hit harder. Q: Big Lucian Q on a longer cooldown that can heal allies. W: Delayed AoE root on a skillshot. E: AoE camouflage that telegraphs the general location of allies. R: Global projectile that damages enemies and shields allies. Her kit seems pretty standard and straightforward. If you break things down, you can make any champion seem overloaded. Soraka gains movement speed when allies are low, has long-range poke that slows the enemy, heals her AND gives her movement speed, she's got a powerful heal on a short cooldown, a silence, a root, more damage, and a teamwide global heal. Wow, Soraka does so many different things, which is clearly the only indicator of balance, pls nerf. /s
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEZWViqm,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:14:15.108+0000) > > Passive: Collect ghouls for free stats. Your attacks are slow, but hit harder. > Q: Big Lucian Q on a longer cooldown that can heal allies. > W: Delayed AoE root on a skillshot. > E: AoE camouflage that telegraphs the general location of allies. > R: Global projectile that damages enemies and shields allies. > > Her kit seems pretty standard and straightforward. If you break things down, you can make any champion seem overloaded. > > Soraka gains movement speed when allies are low, has long-range poke that slows the enemy, heals her AND gives her movement speed, she's got a powerful heal on a short cooldown, a silence, a root, more damage, and a teamwide global heal. Wow, Soraka does so many different things, which is clearly the only indicator of balance, pls nerf. /s This is wrong. "Slower but hits harder" is not accurate. Just a tiny little thing to consider is the "hits harder" is on-hit, so Rageblade. The %Health part, I mean. Also, range increase, crit % increase, and lifesteal from overcapping crit, all part of the passive. And it goes on from there. Your oversimplification was so completely wrong on just the passive you excluded a huge part of what makes her broken to begin with.
: Her passive is a wall of text that boils down to: 1) She cannot gain AD growth. It has to come from items or being aggressive. 2) Her Critical Strikes only do 130% Damage (146.25% with IE) Damage (Huge rebuff on critting) 3) Her Double tapping a champion will do a chunk of current HP damage. 4) Crit Chance Surpassing 100% Will be converted into Life Steal at a 35% Rate! 1) is a heavy nerf. 2) is a heavy nerf. 3) is a damage buff which compensates part of the nerfs. 4) is a buff that still puts her damage in the realm of a nerf. P.S. PBE is a mixed bag, not low elo. Last night had a Pyke and Ekko literally 2v5 a game while their Senna went 1/8, and the Ekko was averaging a kill every 18 seconds after he got going. His only death the entire game was to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VqrQZsEj,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T21:08:45.602+0000) > > Her passive is a wall of text that boils down to: > > 1) She cannot gain AD growth. It has to come from items or being aggressive. > 2) Her Critical Strikes only do 130% Damage (146.25% with IE) Damage (Huge rebuff on critting) > 3) Her Double tapping a champion will do a chunk of current HP damage. > 4) Crit Chance Surpassing 100% Will be converted into Life Steal at a 35% Rate! > > 1) is a heavy nerf. > 2) is a heavy nerf. > 3) is a damage buff which compensates part of the nerfs. > 4) is a buff that still puts her damage in the realm of a nerf. > > P.S. PBE is a mixed bag, not low elo. Last night had a Pyke and Ekko literally 2v5 a game while their Senna went 1/8, and the Ekko was averaging a kill every 18 seconds after he got going. His only death the entire game was to me. I can almost guarantee this Senna is not even diamond. And those types of things happen in every ELO. Especially with Pyke that hits R and kills everyone. Literally no real analyst would believe this champion is balanced. Check out LS's response to her.
iiGazeii (NA)
: She doesn't have millions of abilities.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEZWViqm,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T20:53:48.027+0000) > > She doesn't have millions of abilities. The word Millions is clearly an exaggeration. And while they may not be entirely separate abilities, her kit clearly does far too much. Her passive alone has too much in it, much less things like her Q that scale with her attack range all of the others. Overloaded does not directly tie into having extra abilities or recasts, though those tend to indicate overloaded as well.
: She only has 4 abilities with 5 total functions. Her Auto attacks are nearly perma gated to less than 500, even on 100% crit. The only scary thing about her is in a bubble, her auto attacks can get up to 700-725 range,so those 400-500 crits start to stack up, like a Caitlyn with Sivir's on attack movement speed buff. But that takes a snowballing winning game, which she doesn't have early game.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VqrQZsEj,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-30T20:46:30.121+0000) > > She only has 4 abilities with 5 total functions. > > Her Auto attacks are nearly perma gated to less than 500, even on 100% crit. > > The only scary thing about her is in a bubble, her auto attacks can get up to 700-725 range,so those 400-500 crits start to stack up, like a Caitlyn with Sivir's on attack movement speed buff. But that takes a snowballing winning game, which she doesn't have early game. Her passive is massive. Just by itself it covers multiple lines with multiple sentences in those lines. And again, you are playing against low ELO players with a brand new champion that they have played a couple of times. Ask a low ELO player to play Azir for the first time or the old Ryze and they will do nothing on them too.
iiGazeii (NA)
: The designer said that one of the things that was exciting about her design was that she's the first 600-range marksman in years. Her base range will probably be one of the last things to go when they're trimming the fat. They said that if they have to choose, they will prioritize her being a support over an ADC. Her scaling and damage is what's going to get nerfed, not her range.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEZWViqm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-30T20:48:31.936+0000) > > The designer said that one of the things that was exciting about her design was that she's the first 600-range marksman in years. Her base range will probably be one of the last things to go when they're trimming the fat. > > They said that if they have to choose, they will prioritize her being a support over an ADC. Her scaling and damage is what's going to get nerfed, not her range. Yeah, and that is a problem. I actually like high-range champions. I do not think they are a problem. But scaling range that just makes her better than the sniper we have is kinda nonsense. Especially with the millions of other abilities she has.
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