: Riven "Nerfs" lol. Still a permaban for me chief cuz this ain't it.
I'm sorry, but 4 seconds is a big fucking nerf to her E. You people bitched about not minding her doing damage if you were able to kill her. Her E, with 45% CDR, being on 6 seconds from about 3 isn't huge enough for you? Imagine not being able to please the masses...
Rioter Comments
: Issue is, we practically spend free gold on stuff that ups our damage in the form of rune stats. Champions had their base values adjusted (in the most case) and some didn't, and most of the ones who didn't are reaping the damage rewards (Look at Jax and Riven, not weak early anymore despite historically being weak in the early game to make up for their late).
People upvoting a post saying Riven had a weak early game. LMFAO. Riven was a lane bully with a godlike mid game and crap scaling. She was never notorious for her late game, wtf.
hoganftw (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=hoganftw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Kze4zwXo,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-01-19T19:56:48.754+0000) > > _<Removed>_ I mean, I can see where you got that from. But I was not talking about one invade. I was talking about the entire first half of the game of consistently being invaded. Whose gonna be upset over one invade? This post isn't very fleshed out so people are understandably misunderstanding what I mean.
: maybe instead of ping spamming like a jackass you can try actually asking for help. it is crazy but try it.
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Kze4zwXo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-19T18:50:56.374+0000) > > maybe instead of ping spamming like a jackass you can try actually asking for help. it is crazy but try it. You know what else is crazy? Trying to type in the middle of running trying not to die to getting invaded. I know it's crazy, but lemme just type instead of actually playing the game.
hoganftw (NA)
: You could slide back and let em take it if you can't defend it yourself lol. Just hit the B button and look for a gank my dude. Being invaded isn't a big deal in this meta when the way to win games is being the more active jungler.
> [{quoted}](name=hoganftw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Kze4zwXo,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-19T19:18:06.513+0000) > > You could slide back and let em take it if you can&#x27;t defend it yourself lol. > Just hit the B button and look for a gank my dude. > Being invaded isn&#x27;t a big deal in this meta when the way to win games is being the more active jungler. Lol, okay. Being down 2 levels on the enemy jungler isn't a big deal.
: Posts like that are retarted, your laner can very well not be in any position to help you, for multitude of reasons, simplest one being they are at a risk of big wave crashing into tower while they leave. Losing 6 minions and a turret plate to defend a gromp or even a buff is simply not worth it. Even if you are at a risk of dying, helping you might not be worth it for the team if there are multiple plates at stake. And what makes those posts - that just keep on appearing - even more dumb, it's that it's most often difference in jungle activity that forces your laner to give up lane presence and set up a freeze, thus making them unable to help you without losing more resources that it would be worth.
> [{quoted}](name=14ButJustBarely,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Kze4zwXo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-19T16:49:29.506+0000) > > Posts like that are retarted, your laner can very well not be in any position to help you, for multitude of reasons, simplest one being they are at a risk of big wave crashing into tower while they leave. > > Losing 6 minions and a turret plate to defend a gromp or even a buff is simply not worth it. > > Even if you are at a risk of dying, helping you might not be worth it for the team if there are multiple plates at stake. > > > And what makes those posts - that just keep on appearing - even more dumb, it&#x27;s that it&#x27;s most often difference in jungle activity that forces your laner to give up lane presence and set up a freeze, thus making them unable to help you without losing more resources that it would be worth. And some times that makes all the difference in jg pressure.
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: you have a shield on a very low cooldown. youre supposed to use that as your sustain mechanic. darius and garens kits look a lot stronger than rivens on the surface, until you factor in rivens mobility.
You people don't play the champion and continuously bring up false information. First off, Riven's mobility is so subpar, people like Garen and Darius can simply just run her down. Secondly, her shield is on a 10 second CD with NO cdr rank 1. Since when was 10 seconds a "very" low cooldown, when the shield only lasts 1.5 seconds? Besides, I'm not arguing whose kit is stronger. I'm saying Riven is garbage and can't compete with the competition in the top lane. You people simply don't understand because you don't play the champ. I really urge people who keep calling Riven out to be some super "op" champ to start playing her and realize how dog shit she is.
: i mean she's a great duelist and triforce has a lot of procs the only waste in it is the mana, it's not like attack speed is purely useless, if you're AD you can use attack speed period the build i was taught by a riven OTP was triforce+Stacking defensive CDR items (Maw, death's dance) and run transcendence, which is more important to this guy than any keystone. he also told me that a good riven has value in crit because a riven who isn't trash has a bunch of autos in her rotation, that's why he goes PD i guess?
Who are you talking about? This Riven OTP sounds like he doesn't have the slightest clue about what he's talking about. Also, she's a worst duelist than all the other duelist, so I don't see how she could possibly be "great". The absence of early CDR really hurts Riven. Lets not even talk about how high the damage is in this game that most people by pass your shield with one ability these days.
: "Bruiser" is too wide of a term. You can't talk balance effectively while using it anymore. Riven cannot be realistically compared to a Juggernaut, and should be compared to other members of her actual class instead.
Go ahead and compare her to them, then. Fiora - still stands on the above mentioned. Decent base h/r. Decent base damage, attack speed and sustain. Yasuo - armor pen, acceptable h/r, decent base stats Vi - armor pen, decent base stats/surviability Xin - need I say more? Irelia - ^ Renekton - base stats, godlike health regen, armor pen, sustain I mean, you can go ahead and look it up. She's lacking in every regard and stuggles keeping up with any champ. Riven's winrate, right now, is currently inflated by the mains who spam her. If it wasn't for them (who probably isn't even playing her much anymore) she's have around a 45/44% wr. Let's not even talk about how she's only played due to her double cast BUGS. Riven is seriously struggling right now, and I really don't care about the raging hard on boards users get when you bring up subjects like this. They have absolutely no credentials to say that Riven isn't in a bad spot. And I guarantee their argument will be shit like, "Boxbox, Adrian and Dekar do it". Yeah... Adrian quit, Viper doesn't play her much at all anymore, Dekar's abusing rengar more and even boxbox put her pretty far down the list.
: Can bruisers be brought up to par with Riven? Riven has all of the following: -4 dashes -Spammable shield -Instant AoE stun -AoE ranged execute -AA damage buff for casting spells Listing things is fun
This completely misses the point and hits on none of the spots I talked about. This isn't a counter argument, either considering I didn't list things stating that other bruisers are "op". But strictly stated that Riven has nothing to stand up to her lane counter-parts.
: I mean from what i've seen, riven has never really been good into darius renekton is also in a bad spot what specifically hurt riven? I thought conqueror and triforce was a good combo on her now?
Triforce was never built on Riven. That item is garbage and wasted stats on her. Riven into Darius was a skill matchup in her favor. Especially early game before first backs. Renekton is in the best spot he's been in for quite some time, as well.
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LaFiοra (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TS Media,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GealFL4f,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-20T16:32:02.942+0000) > > 68% winrate is fine if you&#x27;re smurfing in silver from plat, tbh. On my smurfs from Silver - plat I maintain a 75/80% winrate if I&#x27;m lucky. If not, it&#x27;s normally just a high 60% winrate until I reach closer to my normal rank. Well that's good to hear. I'd like to have more than 70% butbi guess it's like you said you have to be a little lucky. One question thought would you suggest to focus on myself only and not care for the rest of the team (split top, maintain 9-10 cs per minute) and hope I can 1v5 or try to play with my team and get them fed ?
> [{quoted}](name=XxMitsosXx,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GealFL4f,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-20T16:52:56.721+0000) > > Well that&#x27;s good to hear. I&#x27;d like to have more than 70% butbi guess it&#x27;s like you said you have to be a little lucky. > One question thought would you suggest to focus on myself only and not care for the rest of the team (split top, maintain 9-10 cs per minute) and hope I can 1v5 or try to play with my team and get them fed ? In the lower elos, it's better to make as many high optimal plays as possible. It'll be up to you decide what that is. If you feel every time you enter a fight with your team and you guys lose -- you need to decide whether it's worth just letting them die bidding a bit more time to take towers (since most games, enemies won't know how to stop the split) or it's better to keep trying team fights. 9/10 times splitting is the better option. Trying to get a lead asap and getting herald while keeping the enemy team busy opens the map up for your team to do something. Even if theyre absolutely terrible, it should amount to something. If they're so bad it doesn't, then you probably won't win anyways. At that point, it's better to just focus on your play alone.
LaFiοra (EUNE)
: Is it me or my team ??????
68% winrate is fine if you're smurfing in silver from plat, tbh. On my smurfs from Silver - plat I maintain a 75/80% winrate if I'm lucky. If not, it's normally just a high 60% winrate until I reach closer to my normal rank.
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: Why is it that a 2v1 shouldn't beat a 1v1? Sure. A support by themselves is about half a champion. But they're ***designed*** to amplify a champion. Supports are an entirely different kind of threat than, say, a mage. A Soraka might not be able to *kill* you, but they'll keep someone who *does* do a lot of damage alive, and will keep you disabled. While even an 0/5 Riven might shit on a Soraka in a 1v1, she'll generally lose to a Soraka and her ADC. Not only because it's a 2v1, but because Soraka is *designed* to amplify her allies. Shouldn't a 0/1/14 Ivern and a 14/0/0 Ahri stomp a 9/1 Riven (assuming they land skillshots properly)? It's a support (Ivern **is** a jungle support, like it or not) with another champion. Why should that scenario be any different? Don't pretend it's a **problem** that supports are actually relevant. It's not. It should not be a **problem** that a class is relevant. >Now, supports can just about single handedly wreck a solo player. And that, honestly, should NOT be a thing considering solo players should have, justifiably, way more gold than the support. This is wrong...Although right, in a way. A support will single-handedly fuck up an enemy champion, by either disrupting their combo via CC, or providing peel, heals, shields, or buffs to another champion. They're not **solo** killing them. They're just disrupting them. It's no different than Annie going "Lmao nope" and stunning the Riven as she runs at Annie. And, finally, the reason a support has lower income is because they're **designed** to function with a lower income. All of their items are cheaper, because they're (on average) getting half the gold from kills, and little to no CS.
Supports were relevant in season 5. They're straight up broken right now. Their ratios, damage and barely anything have changed, yet they get way more gold income. This game is blatantly bad and unbalanced. I really can't see how people don't see this. Look up any season 5 teamfight or 2v1 situation, and you'll see most of the time adcs and supports got 2v1'd it's because they played it badly and NOT because there was not "counterplay" to it. I'm not talking about taking supports back to season 2 or 3, but back to where they were mostly balanced already. And NOT where they are exceeding generalists.
: >In another thread, someone said the 9/1 Riven no longer determines the game, it's the 1/7 Lucian. I despise these kinds of statements. The 1/7 Lucian isn't magically 1/7. If he's 1/7, someone's 7/1 (Yes, there's kills being spread around and all of that, but on the most part, you tend to see it like that. You feed your opposing laner more than the rest of his team). And since it's a Lucian, he's probably botlane. Since he's probably botlane, he has a support. And the enemy team has a support. Lucian is 1/7. His support is also probably 0/7/1, because most kills botlane result in a double kill. That gives you a 1/14/1 allied botlane. Which means the enemy botlane is 14/1/14 (ignoring the jungler stealing kills, for simplicity). So, yes. The *singular* Riven is going to matter less than the **two** people who have a combined KDA of 14/1/14. Because that just makes sense. You should not be able to win a 1v2 in normal circumstances, unless you're **significantly more** fed than them, or **far*** better than them. And, while the Riven is fed, she's also **behind** the enemy botlane by an effective 12 kills, which is a **staggering 3600** gold. The only two items worth **more** than that (Excluding Ornn's upgrades) are Trinity Force and Bloodthirster! And that's not even taking into account the doubled passive gold gen from 2 people instead of one, the support's gold item, or any possible CS lead! So, yes. The 1/7 Lucian matters more than the 9/1 Riven. Because he's bringing down a second person with him, **doubling** enemy kills in his lane. If a 9/1/0 Riven ever matters more than a 14/1/14 ADC+Support, that's a massive problem that **needs** a hotfix. Hell, even a 1/0/0 Riven shouldn't matter more than a 0/1/0 ADC+Support, because the fact that they have **two people** should ***more*** than compensate for the minor gold deficit.
You stating the issue now. Honestly, bot lane use to be the adc was 1.5 the lane and supports were 0.5 This is what kept the game in a balanced state. It was never a "2v1 mid vs bot" it was always a "2v1.5+0.5" bot because supports didn't have the income to even be considered a threat. This means they were all utility based and how a SUPPORT is meant to be played. Now, supports can just about single handedly wreck a solo player. And that, honestly, should NOT be a thing considering solo players should have, justifiably, way more gold than the support. League's just out of it's wits right now.
zoliking (NA)
: Riot, just add a fourth lane
Oh, that sounds like cancer. But 1v1s will 100% be a thing now, ha.
: There are still zero follow up changes to a single mage affected by patch 8.9
That machete change actually fucks with a few champs who had weak clears before. Rengar, in particular, got hit hard by it and it sucks.
: >That's the equivalent of an ahri ulti. EVERY 10 SECONDS. except rakan's dashes are way more limited (2/3) are to an ally only, while Ahri's are able to be cast in any direction.
He can e to minions. Champion is absolutely disgusting.
Infernape (EUW)
: >Like, honestly, no other fucking character has that many dashes on a non ultimate ability {{champion:92}}
Yeah, you go ahead and cover the distance one dash rakan does with your 3.
Rioter Comments
: I can't miss a point when he misses his own point already. This problem isn't an exception to Yasuo, anyone could get stomped in his game, think ''Omg X champ open, gotta pick'' because they think X champ is op freelo, this isn't a problem only dedicated to Yasuo... And why i listed the Yasuo's as example is because, if he had about 80% of these games lost with a bad Yasuo on his team, then i would have been more understanding, it's tilting, shit happens, but he didn't had any negative experience with Yasuo in his recent games, so why limit ''X champion is picked without experience in ranked cos people think X champion is op'' to Yasuo? > Also to answer your previous comment, yes, when i coach i actually DO tell my students what to play in ranked. I don't tell them to instalock Yasuo because he's not banned and they think it's an easy champ to carry with. I tell them to find a champ they love playing, and then stick to it and practice with it- And not in ranked to start off with. You understand where this guy is coming from if i put it this way? No i don't understand where he is coming from, he is not a coach, he is a random Ranked mate, people come to you so you tell them what to do, people play random ranked Ques because they DO NOT want some random guy to tell tham what to do, you can know when your ''students'' are bad with Yasuo, he cannot, he doesn't know these persons, hence he can't tell if they first pick him or have experience with him. And yes, he made this post just to complain about Yasuo players, else, i'll tell you how this post actually looked like # Champions you think are OP are NOT a general go to champ STOP picking the bloody champs because you think they are so "braindead ez gg". If you don't have sufficient skill on the champions to carry you through the early game, REFRAIN from picking them in ranked games please. Go train 100 games of normals on them before blindly picking the a champ thinking he'll be an "easy" win. You're only deluding yourself and setting your team at an inherent disadvantage. You see the difference? this is an universal problem, it is not a Yasuo-only problem, hence why i can't take the OP serious and just see this as another circlejerk post. EDIT : nvm i fucked up, im delusional sorry, don't take this serious anymore, realized that what i wrote down is dumb as fuck ehhh
https://imgur.com/aumdHlO https://imgur.com/ic2BvD2 https://imgur.com/mDdUz4V Notice the trend of games I've lost? And the account isn't a "smurf". I have 3 different accounts I play on just to keep my sanity. Current ranks of other 2: https://imgur.com/qYKlJym https://imgur.com/zkVIjTD They're all basically plat accounts. I included the top champion on those accounts as well for you to see they aren't just "random" accounts. This isn't empty complaining. Just because you can't see the evidence, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
: I guarantee you 99% of them never even peaked at Gold 5, let alone Platinum.
He said "low plat" instead of just "plat". So I'll guess his rank: A Plat 2 or Plat 1 player trying to assert his superiority over a same elo player. Yeah... people are that petty.
WrÆth (NA)
: > to carry you through the early game, REFRAIN from picking him in ranked games please. and then you remember that yasuo's early game is actually insane and the easiest part of playing him
His level 1 and 2 are insane. From 3-5, he struggles in most matchups and that's normally the point where most yasuo's start feeding their butts off.
DDarius (NA)
: I think i'll pick what I want. Bad players picking Yas is not the reason you're stuck in low plat so stop crying.
Irrelevant to the discussion. Rank shaming on a new account too? You're just reaching now.
: What's the strawman? He's saying stereotyping is fine because 'it's true', but my counterexamples from history prove otherwise.
It's a strawman because no one is talking about Yasuo mains. We're talking about one off picks. There's a HUGE difference between a meta player and a main.
: I guess all racism and sexism is justified because 'it's true'. /s Why would you ever think any kind of stereotyping was good?
You're reaching dude. Chill out with your strawman.
: {{champion:90}} :ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! (Eyes flashing menacingly) {{champion:157}} :GG no gank
: Stop telling people what to play, it's their decision, not yours.
It's also my LP and MY time. If you aren't coming at your 100%, find another game where people feel the same way you do. They may be able to play what they want, but I'll dictate who gets to waste my time.
: Maybe we could not discriminate against people who play Yasuo?
If you're a yasuo main and have decent amount of games and knowledge on him, I won't bash you. You play him 10 or so games, think you can get away by picking him because he's easy to play and proceed to be a typical yasuo player, then I have a huge issue with you playing him. I try to give them benefits of the doubt, I do. But every time it falls flat and I end up losing 90% of the time I get Yasuo on my team.
: Right, but if you show top for a 2v1 gank, then enemy jungle rotates bot for 3v2 (more specifically 3v1 on the AD).
By the time I start camping bot, I expect to be reasonably fed to make it that much more easier.
: To be fair, Yas is really easy to play mechanically. He is just super hard to not feed on. Everything about his kit says 'go in' but if you do it at the wrong time you just die.
He has more finesse than people give him credit for. That's like saying Udyr and Voli are easy mechanical champs. Doesn't mean they're super easy to play because most of it comes down to gameplay knowledge. Let's not even talk about effective use of his windwall and how much people butcher that.
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: What season of League are you play that one of us Junglers would bother ganking top lane? I mean seriously, what is the advantage of ganking top instead of counter jungling enemy topside? There is none. Not to be a dick, but the fact that you're even getting ganked must mean that your jungler isn't pressuring the bot-lane enough (which is the way you win currently).
Top is honestly the easiest lane to gank if you have a good laner. Plus, blowing tp and helping your top lane snowball makes the game so much easier -- especially if that top laner makes tp plays down bot lane. I'm sorry, as a jungler, I camp the hell out of top lane and pressure so hard that the rest of the enemy team is normally forced to come top by about 10minutes into the game. Bot is not an easily manageable gank.
haenex (EUNE)
: Can we please talk about hashinshin
You bring up Dekar, who also flames his teammates and ints games when things don't go his way. And don't get me wrong, Dekar is lowkey my favorite streamer. Hash is just way more aggressive in chat, but he doesn't go all out like most people do with his flame. He just points out what he thinks is mistakes in others gameplay, rather than focusing on his own.
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: > [{quoted}](name=TS Media,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z6nw2GUz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-07T14:27:36.392+0000) > > I really don&#x27;t see how last whisper is going to be a huge buff to &quot;lane&quot; zed. This post is just silly. ? This was only ONE point, and he made like 6
Last whisper was the only "huge" buff for him? I doubt stormrazor and duskblade are going to stack. So he's going to have to choose between the 2, and honestly it isn't going to beat out duskblade. MAW got a buff, not hexdrinker, which is rarely ever completed until after his 2 core items. Zed also rarely, if ever, buys a botrk. My comment still stands. This is FAR from a buff to lane Zed. You wanna say Zed gets buffed overall? Sure. But making it sound like he's getting any stronger in lane is silly. Not to mention, LDR is still hella expensive and he's definitely not getting a last whisper before laning phase ends. I just countered his 6 silly points for the argument that was made.
ScrewLuck (EUNE)
: What was your FIRST ever rank?
Merlinez (NA)
: Can we like stop indirectly buffing Zed?
I really don't see how last whisper is going to be a huge buff to "lane" zed. This post is just silly.
: > 1. Tanks, as a whole, are not overpowered. Not anymore. End of tank meta. I can finally play top again. > I mean, if all tank does is get burst down, then wtf are they? I hope useless from this day on. > These days, it would seem League has gone so far off its own warped logic, a lot of things straight up make absolutely no sense anymore (starting with tank being actually tanky is somehow a bad thing in LoL, that assassins that actually assassinate is seen as a bad thing, that carries somehow need to also have the best early game and the cheapest but highest scaling items, and other utter nonsense like this). You know what is warped? Having to be 4k gold ahead of malphite as irelia just to break even in damage. Having to be full 4 kills ahead as any bruiser and still die to tank that just bought sunfire. These changes are finally gona push unskilled tank players back to their roles. Support. Or make them learn actual champions. Either way these changes are good for whole game. Only class that needs to die now are enchanters and the game is going to be fun again.
You realize adcs are the only ones who can actually do anything to tanks, right? Gl playing your favorite skirmishers in the top lane vs tanks. Cause they still take a huge dump on you :P
: > [{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EapfFXiG,comment-id=0005000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-07T02:55:22.347+0000) > > Let&#x27;s break down your list: > {{champion:9}} > Same as Anivia. If you decided to stick around in his ult or let him stand still and drain you, you&#x27;re gonna die. But again, I would hope most players know better than that. Off the list. Nobody can take you seriously when you say things like this. Fiddle is literally the highest WR JG mu against Rammus in the highest ELO. Rammus can't run or beat Fid head on and he teamfights worse.
No shit, sherlock. That's like saying Yi can't beat fiddle head on. You know why Fiddle probably has a high winrate against rammus? Because he looks at him with that scare crow stare, goes pick-a-boo and rammus runs away cuz he got scared as hell. Kind of... I don't know, the OPPOSITE of what he wants to do?
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: In silver, this game is a coin toss, and I'm done this season
If only it was just silver... this issue persists up to D3. The amount of boosted players in this game is insane.
Nullstar (NA)
: Well my friend we call that dodging, for only 3 LP you too can experience the joy of dodging out of that {{champion:11}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:12}} and {{champion:157}} who somehow managed to also sneak a 6th player on their team, {{champion:40}}.
Goes from 3 to 10 if you actually start dodging every unwinnable looking game.
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