KazKaz (OCE)
: Damage meta is just not fun
I think this has been said consistently for at least a two years now. Personally, I don’t see the whole “damage” meta thing. Yeah, the game revolves around damage and it’s especially apparent since last season, but it’s too vague to just say “damage meta”. I feel like you saying “getting one shot” is another term for excessive snowballing, which may be true for some champs but it’s been “common” for much longer than the rune update. Watch what you wish for.... I guarantee a “damage meta” is much better than a tank meta ever will be, and the current meta is significantly more stabile than this time last year.
: A Patch in the Right Direction!
I’d agree with this when they decide to nerf Aatrox, although we all know that won’t happen for a couple of patches! Nice nerfs tho
: Never had less fun in league.
I feel like people have been saying this for over a year now. While I agree that the game is not as great as it used to be, it is MUCH better than it was in season 8. Dear God, you want to see a game actually decided at 10 minutes in and one shots everywhere? Look no further than last year's state of the game. At least the matches are slightly less snowbally and you have a better chance to comeback from being far behind. Nerfs to runes have also allowed for a bit less damage. Will agree with the terrible matchmaking tho and new champions designs are awful.
Rioter Comments
Player342 (EUNE)
: Daily reminder that we still describe damage in this game with term "champions per second"
No sweetheart you all have been asking for ages. If you haven't noticed they don't give a shit about the NA market and are focusing on Asia, where quick games are more enjoyable there and bring in more viewers in that market. You don't matter
Böljy (EUNE)
: Does Lucian deserve a nerf?
Yes, end of discussion.
: PBE 9.3 Aatrox Changes + Other ("Small Rant")
Oh please. He is literally impossible to balance in both pro and regular play and deserves every single nerf he has gotten. Wouldn't mind a revert honestly. Current Aatrox is too oppressive and probably will continue to be so after these changes.
: To Taliyah Mains: What Do You Want to See?
Taliyah main here: Changelist: nothing. She's perfectly fine right now and will never be in a balanced spot any other way. I'd rather her stay out of the spotlight for a while and if that means keeping her the way she is then so be it. Although slightly lower mana costs would be nice
: Zyra has almost twice as much base mana regen at lvl 1 as a normal mage.
Yeah, I think that all mages should have similar mana regen. It's bullshit that something like Taliyah has little waveclear and high mana costs yet she barely has any regen at all. Meanwhile, Zyra is free of that penalty because she is played support? Hmm okay.
: This is not ok
Uhhh going by win rate alone is rather erroneous. I would agree that Zyra is oppressive, but I don't think she's the real issue in this game right now. Don't worry, we all get fed up with certain champions at some point.
Felvyne (EUW)
: They should revert the W cast-paradigm to what was when she was released. She had a clear weakness to the E>W combo: do it meaninfully and you get tons of dmg, do it like crazy and you expose yourself to get beaten. With the change just because people complained opened her to have too much reliable dmg that meant the nerf-chain until what she's nowadays.
She has way more opportunities to make plays with her new W. I can never understand why people would actually want this to happen.
: Please revert Taliyah.
I’m probably the only one that feels this way but I actually like Taliyah right now. I appreciate how low priority she is now even though she still has an insane amount of damage and roam potential. While her waveclear has been reduced to smithereens, I can still pull her off mid while also performing well in jungle and support. The only thing that I continue to grope about is her absurdly high mana costs; otherwise, if they want to keep her how she is, I can make do. I know that the majority won’t appreciate that but when it comes to Riot, you have to adapt or perish.
: "Games Change... Adapt or Leave."
I mean if someone is seriously considering quitting the game because of a gameplay complaint, who actually cares? Like quit the game lmao people who do that act like Riot will do anything about their grievances (they won't :ooo). While maybe not explicitly referenced in your post, it's equally as stupid to say "these changes have made me quit the game and stop loving the game I once heralded as the pinnacle of creation". Again, no one cares. Move on.
: Can Lissandra get some kind of 1 v 1 combat buff?
The whole point of Lissandra's kit is to be a fantastic team fighter, not necessarily to be good at 1v1s. It's pretty much always been that way but is especially emphasized with her new passive. If you play it correctly you can trade efficiently, but that's not always a skill everyone has. The last thing she needs is more damage, but maybe lower mana costs on Q to help her trade more.
: Neeko needs to make a trade off: Her damage or its reliability
Definitely agree on the ult. Way too overloaded with damage, cc, and a shield. One of them needs to go or be tuned down significantly, preferably the ridiculous damage it does. Otherwise, she's decently okay to deal with but her ult is very tough to play against.
FéliXXX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tacosrock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HIiJwgkc,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2018-11-30T22:58:41.204+0000) > > Hmmmm nope. It’s too early to determine what’s good and what’s bad right now, especially since dark harvest is overriding the meta. In my opinion though, zed should be at a lower win rate than most champions because he’s supposedly skillful. I’ll pass on your suggestions, no need to buff his damage anyways.**** no its not early at all zed has been in a weak spot for more than a year since they gutted lethality from runes and no zed cant use DH thats why most of high elo players dont use it on him cos u need 1 stack for minute to keep up with electrocute and you cant stack it up as much on zed since ur cds are high(w 22s) and you dont do that much dmg.
Oh... you mean the meta that was made specifically for assassins, and you're saying he has been weak for more than a year? Is that why he has had a consistent ban rate of about 20-50% and a solid win rate throughout season 8? I would like you to define weak then, because I would've considered him on the stronger side of the totem pole throughout the season compared to most mages and was playable against most assassins. I wouldn't necessarily say he does no damage considering he is one of the easiest champions to proc electrocute with, as well. And the dark harvest thing. Yeah, that's exactly my point. Dark harvest isn't made for all champions, such as zed (i guess?), so after they nerf it so that it isn't essential on every champion that does damage, we can actually discuss the state of Zed.
: Possible ways to Fix Zed
Hmmmm nope. It’s too early to determine what’s good and what’s bad right now, especially since dark harvest is overriding the meta. In my opinion though, zed should be at a lower win rate than most champions because he’s supposedly skillful. I’ll pass on your suggestions, no need to buff his damage anyways.****
: If Season 9 continues as this Preseason is showing, I might as well call it quits
Then call it quits. Seriously, I can’t stand how many of these posts get made when it won’t make a difference. No matter how much the two thousand people that use the boards complain, nothing is actually going to change because it’s such a small portion of the player-base. It’s preseason, first of all, and while not much may change after it, there will be adjustments to make it feel a bit better. Go play a different game and have fun instead of moping about how Riot doesn’t care about you or state of the game. Of course they don’t! Their focus is mainly Asia right now because that brings in the big bucks.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 22
Are you serious? Let me ask you this, Meddler. Have YOU played Taliyah mid after the changes? Please do and tell me you think it’s okay, because it’s not. She has legitimately NO waveclear and no early lane pressure whatsoever anymore because you took any inkling of waveclear that she once had away for no reason. You seriously disgust me at this point for this “successful change”. Thanks for truly ruining my champion in the role she deserves to be in.
: TALIYAH who?
They could either revert the 50% damage to minions or give her AOE on Q back. Not that difficult to fix her yet they act like it's god damn rocket science smh.
: Any mid that shove the lane super effectively will always be a problem in high elo, I am kinda worried too about the way some changes doesn't help her but I am kinda sure they nerf this part so they can buff Taliyah on some other way for the future. Also, it is obviously to nerf her jungle clear (she is a very strong jungler atm). But I think they try to tackle two issue at the same time.
That’s totally true but the thing is that she isn’t that great at shoving anymore in mid after the initial change in patch 8.11. She won’t even be competitive at pushing in the mid line after these changes. I have no clue how’d they buff her after this because she really doesn’t need any more damage or utility. Ahhh riot messing things up again.
: My thing is this essentially destroys Taliyah jungle as well as mid... I thought they were trying to encourage mages jungle? :/
From the little gameplay I've seen, her jungling abilities seem OKAY but are very diminished, obviously. There's a chance it'll still be good but idk. However, midlane seems atrocious when you can barely even kill a single minion with a Q now. Yikes!
Rioter Comments
Rexxiee (NA)
: Reverting LB was a huge mistake
I am so happy that people are finally recognizing this. I have been saying this since she got reverted and have just been seen as ridiculous or stupid. Reworked Leblanc was a travesty for sure, but she was a much more balanced travesty than the cancer we have now.
: Irelia, best champion in the game undoubtedly, with an overloaded kit.
This really doesn't surprise me at all. With all of the glaring, overloaded problems within her kit, her movement speed was obviously the thing to hit. Actually, it's more like gentle nudge to her movement speed more than anything, because that'll solve her balance issues, right?. A champion with 50% damage resistance, overloaded/unfair mobility, and one of the most overpowered ults in the game, and they decide to nerf her movement speed. Just amazing.
: Please make LP decay harsher/more frequent
I think you’re just letting one person completely change your entire opinion. Not everybody who plays ranked for the LP will int,!and making the lp decay any earlier wouldn’t be fair for those who actually have a legitimate reason to not play the game. Let your anger simmer down and then discuss the subject, thanks
Jaygo41 (NA)
: I will literally take Lee, Elise, Zac, Sejuani, and Rek'Sai
This is so true. I feel like the old jungle meta champs were very special, fun and skill oriented. Now, it’s just about who can burst who down early enough. Maybe while they are at it, they can make Taliyah a mid laner again, you know, the role she was intended for...
: You do have a point it’s been a while since I’ve seen an Elise, but it’s also been a LONG while since I’ve remembered one feeding. I think the real problem isn’t Elise’s strength is lacking, but other junglers are just too good in comparison, because ALL I see is Kayn, Graves, Lee, Kindre- wait no not as much.... Heck I’ve haven’t seen any Nunu’s (besides me playing them) after his first week of launch, same with Vi, Zac, haven’t seen any Rek’sai in AGES, Sejuani, etc... looking at her WR Elise is teir 3 and hovering above the 50% WR. (at least according to OP.gg). So I understand what you’re saying about getting more diversity, but why not Buff EVERYONE who doesn’t see optimal play, or nerf the champs who saturate most games? TLDR: The only reason she was buffed over the others who need it was for her playmaking ability, and that’s the problem. She’s wasn’t weak, yet she’s wasn’t too powerful either. However riot set her balance health aside in order to push their agenda, and not for the sake of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=jocomotion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cffW74Hm,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-27T03:11:14.733+0000) > > You do have a point it’s been a while since I’ve seen an Elise, but it’s also been a LONG while since I’ve remembered one feeding. I think the real problem isn’t Elise’s strength is lacking, but other junglers are just too good in comparison, because ALL I see is Kayn, Graves, Lee, Kindre- wait no not as much.... > > Heck I’ve haven’t seen any Nunu’s (besides me playing them) after his first week of launch, same with Vi, Zac, haven’t seen any Rek’sai in AGES, Sejuani, etc... looking at her WR Elise is teir 3 and hovering above the 50% WR. (at least according to OP.gg). So I understand what you’re saying about getting more diversity, but why not Buff EVERYONE who doesn’t see optimal play, or nerf the champs who saturate most games? > > TLDR: The only reason she was buffed over the others who need it was for her playmaking ability, and that’s the problem. She’s wasn’t weak, yet she’s wasn’t too powerful either. However riot set her balance health aside in order to push their agenda, and not for the sake of the game. What separates Elise from the rest of the ones you mentioned is that she is constantly abused by Riot in terms of balancing. Every single season she will receive multiple nerfs and then buffs. It's a continuous cycle, and it hurts those that appreciate playing her. Vi, Reksai, and Zac, while each may have been nerfed or buffed in the recent past, are not nearly as influential in pro play as Elise. The way they are buffing her this time is absolutely Riot "pushing their agenda", but in this case it's not bad because the way they buffed her specifically was healthy. Give her a bit of a better clear early on and more livability in long fights, not damage. I don't understand how that's a bad thing. This doesn't push her into the meta; it's just something to help her ease into it because she's been struggling all season. The game won't be solved by buffing everyone who's struggling or nerfing all of the strong ones: it's about finding how each champion can fit into the meta.
: 8.19 patch notes, but if riot where just honest
I agree with this except for the Elise buff. When a champion like her is not viable at literally any stage of the game, including the one she's INTENDED to be strong in, she becomes useless. Seriously, when's the last time you've seen an Elise, and one that did well for that matter? Clearly this whole damage issue is not going away anytime soon, so might as well help her deal with it somehow in a way that does not give her any more damage. Eh, what am I saying, the League community always finds a way to complain about Riot's few logical decisions, so whatever!
: Poppy?!?
oh yes, please downvote me for one disagreement that has nothing to do with my point. IMO she's the strongest tank in the game and will be OP in the next few patches guaranteed, but I guess you're blind to that.
Rioter Comments
EkyonKun (NA)
: Riot, is this really who you want representing you?
God, this is just fantastic. I love watching them implode from the inside out and then the community is there to make sure they've been gutted for sure! I don't think I've ever been so proud to be a part of this community... in fact, I think this is the only time! Shitty balancing and shitty amount of respect for both men and women... awesome! But they "care", right?
god daimmq (EUNE)
: About the zoe nerfs coming in 8.16
Well deserved nerfs but I question how much this will really affect her. She’s still going to have insane damage and waveclear so I’d expect nerfs to her Q or E sometime later. Even though I despise of Zoe, I don’t think she’s as bad as Zed Talon LeBlanc or Fizz when it comes to lack of counterplay and frustration, so it’s unfortunate that they aren’t getting nerfed right alongside her.
: Syndra's Power and Potential is being Shackled!
I personally don’t think Syndra is that bad right now. She has obvious moments of vulnerability but also many chances to burst someone down. Lowering her E cool down would make her a huge lane bully because she could have more kill pressure with her stun, which would probably make her really strong. The only thing that she truly needs is higher base hp and maybe mana. Her damage is strong but not overly strong. She has clear weaknesses and strong points. No reason to break what’s been given to us.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tacosrock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8B5LtZZZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-06T20:54:21.122+0000) > > Sorry, but is this anything new? She's had a true damage-heavy kit for a few years? I don't understand where your bewilderment comes from. It pisses me off when people add question marks to the end of sentences that aren't questions?
Oh, I guess you’ve never studied rhetoric once in your life, so I’ll tell you. It adds an additional sense of questioning to my previous point so that my confusion is apparent with this post. P.S. thanks for feedback other peeps I was confused
AR URF (NA)
: When you die by fiora.
Sorry, but is this anything new? She's had a true damage-heavy kit for a few years? I don't understand where your bewilderment comes from.
Hibeki (NA)
: I really am done with this Taliyah JG fad
Yep, me too. My most played champion is Taliyah, and I have to admit that she is pretty damn fun compared to before this update. I still want her to be mid though. It feels strange that she's suddenly a jungler and will probably be balanced around her jungling ability, which is unfortunate because she's supposed to be a mid lane roamer. I hope they fix it soon because I'd rather her be a rare and unnoticed pick, not the flavor of the month.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Tacosrock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d32Vt51n,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-31T23:14:02.150+0000) > > I will agree that the Q in its current state is inefficient. That’s the point of this post... to bring attention that it most certainly isn’t. But do you really think they would revert this update anytime soon? Probably not... so I’m trying to get compensation for these changes and recommend other Taliyah players to stop bitching and look at what is possible to change to make her feel better. OK, here's what I think they should do. 1. Give Q aoe back, but make it 4 boulders instead of 5. Make it cost less mana. 60/70/80/90/100 -> 70 mana all levels. 2. Make worked ground give movespeed again (but 7.5-15% instead of 10-20%). But have it give 2 boulders. Half mana (35). 3. Decrease the Q range from 1000 to something like 950.
I wouldn't mind those changes you noted but I'm doubtful they'd do it. You know, after some more testing of this new Taliyah, I've actually realized that she's even better for securing objectives like baron and dragon since the Q does 100% damage to anything except champions... so theoretically wouldn't that make Taliyah better in pro play?? Welp... Riot missed the mark yet again!
: > [{quoted}](name=Tacosrock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d32Vt51n,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-31T22:58:29.250+0000) > > This change is not that difficult to fix. Her numbers (mana and damage) need to be re-tuned to fit her new precise roaming style of play that benefits players roaming at specific intervals instead of braindead push and shove over and over. > > And theres no point in reworking her. Her current play style is nearly identical to her intended theme as a roamer and just needs some retuning to put her back in line. I disagree, the Q change affects her fighting more than her waveclear. Her remake is poor and not fun. I do not want to play Taliyah anymore and as a champion who isn't very played I can't see how this is a good thing. They need to throw it all out except her ultimate and remake this champion. Unless they can find a way to revert her Q (completely) without it being too strong. Sorry, if the old one was imbalanced and the new one is boring I don't think there's any other decent option.
I will agree that the Q in its current state is inefficient. That’s the point of this post... to bring attention that it most certainly isn’t. But do you really think they would revert this update anytime soon? Probably not... so I’m trying to get compensation for these changes and recommend other Taliyah players to stop bitching and look at what is possible to change to make her feel better.
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tacosrock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d32Vt51n,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-31T23:00:52.920+0000) > > Thats not how Riot works. For example, Syndra mains (the very few remaining) were asking for her Q to have its old passive and guess what? That small community of mains got what they wanted and are pleased. It’s not like Riot is actively ignoring small playerbases. They want what’s best for the game and will attempt to please the community along those lines as much as possible. Dont worry, changes are sure to come! No, they won't. One champion getting the changes they need does not a consistent habit make.
...but Taliyah is visibly struggling right now in terms of stats and player feedback. Again, they do not work like you think they do of screwing one playerbase over and leaving them for dead (exceptions being Kalista and Azir) There have been numerous other instances where they did listen to certain playerbases, such as Rengar, LeBlanc, and Irelia, and are still actively trying to help others such as Lissandra and probably Taliyah mains soon. There’s no use in being pessimistic to changes that might be able to help Taliyah in the long run if the community can give them helpful feedback, which is what Im trying to do.
Anatera (NA)
: They'll screw us over more, because not that many people play her, so the outcry is smaller and easier to ignore.
Thats not how Riot works. For example, Syndra mains (the very few remaining) were asking for her Q to have its old passive and guess what? That small community of mains got what they wanted and are pleased. It’s not like Riot is actively ignoring small playerbases. They want what’s best for the game and will attempt to please the community along those lines as much as possible. Dont worry, changes are sure to come!
: They can't fix this, they should re-rework her. Maybe a full gameplay update like Xin.__
This change is not that difficult to fix. Her numbers (mana and damage) need to be re-tuned to fit her new precise roaming style of play that benefits players roaming at specific intervals instead of braindead push and shove over and over. And theres no point in reworking her. Her current play style is nearly identical to her intended theme as a roamer and just needs some retuning to put her back in line.
Rioter Comments
Quelaan (NA)
: Shout out to the duo players that were horribly sexist to me
This is completely unacceptable... Riot should be ashamed of themselves if these two people get away with this without a ban. The amount of toxicity in this game is, honestly, unmatched by any other game. Any person trying to defend this toxic community is brainwashed into thinking that “all gaming communities are the same”. I hope you get justice for this promptly.
: Taliyah Nerfs are way over the line
I'd actually be okay with these changes if they'd lower her mana costs. I mean, for Christ's sake, it'll cost so much mana to clear a wave after these changes and you wont even be able to do it efficiently. How about a 10-20 lower mana cost on all of her regular abilities. That would make these changes much more bearable. These changes CAN work if they don't leave Taliyah fucking mana gated, because there is no point to restrict her with mana now... they're removing her waveclear. OR, a better option, they don't go through with these changes, as you say. Regardless, this whole conundrum is so screwed up... completely changing the in-game character of a champion just for the sake of LCS diversity and $$$! How sad.
: This patch needs to be hot fixed or risk serious long term consequences
I mean... does this seriously surprise you? They already nerfed mages for the sake of diversity in lcs which apparently equals $$$ and have now nerfed the jungle for some odd reason. Both instances are where they’ve alienated a certain playerbase for no good reason. Ive pretty much stopped playing the game at this point because i know that nothing will be done to fix any mistakes that obviously alienate certain player groups... so whatever. I’ll spend my time elsewhere.
Rioter Comments
: Do you guys still have any hope for mid season?
Yeah, I was one of the fools that thought that preseason 8 would bring really positive changes to the game with new runes and shit like that... yeah... no, I was wrong. They clearly have no clue how to balance the game at this point, especially with these new mana changes to mages. Way to alienate an entire class of players while ignoring the damage issues with ADCs, Riot! Anyways, nothing good could come from them in mid season... the game's just too messed up right now.
: What if killing an enemy under baron buff gives you baron buff?
That is such a bad idea that it's not even funny. I cannot imagine how horribly boring or unfun it would make the game, as people with baron would play extremely safe and would not really reduce snowballing. Then, there's the whole troll situation where one guy purposely dies to give the enemy baron. The difference between blue/red buff and baron is that one is an individual buff that does not give too many increased stats while the other is a group buff that gives increased stats all around to champs and minions... not a good idea.
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