: What if all ADC's had a reload time/ammo?
I think this is a fantastic idea, it would even things out, because right now the only reason ADCs and AD's in general are OP is because beyond using all of their abilities they can just keep fighting and their AA does massive amounts of damage, but if they limited their AA to rounds it would even them out with mages so when their CD's came up they would have to back off just like everyone else.
Eedat (NA)
: https://imgur.com/a/oyocU Huh??
Umm this account has been banned for like a year dude, so hehe you're an idiot. And while you're laughing I've had the time to check your account Silver than gold and gold, so what are you laughing at? You've done literally no better.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tactrix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AXbEp9f0,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-18T21:04:33.312+0000) > > The reason ADCs are broken isn't because "darius is strong" ??? What? Did you even get the point of what I said? I used it as an example.
Yes I got the point if you read above you'll see mine.
Eedat (NA)
: .........show me then lol
I don't have to show you, when you end up in silver this season remember we had this conversation. And then take a look at all your games and look at who carried the other team.
: Banned? Can someone help enlighten me?
Honor isn't based on how toxic you are, it will however reflect your toxicity if you get a strike against you like you did, "kys" is an automatic strike against you, and you were clearly toxic in this game, so there's no way you weren't gonna get dinged no matter what honor you are.
: Draven is strong. he does a fuckton of damage. Okay. These are all facts that are commonly accepted. He's still less than 5% of all ADCs, though. Malzahar is strong, does that mean every mage is broken? Nasus is strong, does that mean Darius needs nerfs? No, none of those things logically follow. Draven being strong=! every ADC being strong. Neither does MF or Ezreal being strong, given that Ezreal is more an AD caster than an ADC, and MF is just a blink away from being an assassin.
The reason ADCs are broken isn't because "draven is strong". It's because unlike mages he doesn't have to go back when some mana is down, he can keep trading down once he gets a few items especially if one of those items is a lifesteal item like bloodthirster. Because in the midst of fighting no matter which adc you are you can keep AAing, as where mages have to wait out their CD's otherwise their damage is garbage.
: That's not my point. You're trying to prove that ADCs are broken based off of *Draven*. That's beyond illogical.
How is that illogical? He's a prime example of the kind of broken that they are, anyone who needs 2 items to start completely demolishing whole teams is broken, but the only people that fit that category are AD's that have a heavy crit/lethality build which just happen to be most ADCs and assassins. It's like let's say you put a deathcap and void staff on morgana, will she be powerful? Sure, but she won't destroy your entire team. On the other hand if you put yunmoos and IE on draven he will literally walk through everyone on your team and laugh while doing it. That is the definition of unbalanced and broken. we can even take this further though, lets give you one of the hardest hitting AP's right now, veig, if you give him deathcap and void staff he will more than likely 1 shot you, so retrospectively it seems like more of a match to draven right? Except here's the thing, after he manages to 1 shot someone he's very open and vunerable, because he's an AP, so he has massive power but it's offset by cooldowns, as where draven can trade endlessly even if everything is on CD for him because ADC. See the problem? It's not that he has any super OP abilities, it's the design behind them.
: I mean....the binding is a guarenteed hit the second he alpha strikes. And if he doesn't alpha strike at all he isn't going to catch her unless he ults at which point it is already post 6 where lanes can follow and she can flash away. If Morgana is truly worried about being invaded it is INCREDIBLY easy to ward for invades as a somewhat off-meta jungler since you can always just opt for smitestone (she doesn't use the other smites very well) and buy a control ward making her completely "uninvadeable" anyway.
The issue with that is yi won't care where she wards, he'll go wherever he wants simply because he can, in a fight she can't out trade him, and she doesn't have the sustain he does. Because unlike yi she has to run away, yi has 2 forms of sustain, first he has lifesteal and second he has his heal up ability, so basically what it comes down to is that he won't ever feel any jg is off limits to him while morg is the other jg, as where lets say you put xin there, now there's a definite sense of "if I walk into the wrong bush he's gonna destroy me".
: Okay. I'll just pick Ahri. Let's see...hard CC, check. Better poke, check. Mobility, burst, and actually outranging you? Check. Yep. Looks like you're fucked. Besides, you're looking at a closed environment, there. Not an open one, which is more realistic. And you're looking at *one particular ADC who's known for doing a fuckton of damage*. That's like looking at Talon and saying all assassins are broken, because that one particular assassin is well-known for level 2 cheeses.
To be fair most assassins are broken, but it has nothing to do with them particularly being broken individually and everything to do with the way this game has been setup. Think about it, they made an entire class of champions dedicated to 1 shotting, in a game made for team play, how would that not be broken? The truly sad part is that if they thought it through they would have realized their massive mistake in this. But they didn't, and just kept making more. So now we have champions like zed who get 1 or 2 really heavy crit/lethality items and start to kill everyone.
: Uh yeah. Morgana literally binds yi and walks away. It isn't that hard to understand. Same can be said with Fiddlesticks and his Q.
First her bind is only temporary, and second she can't outrun yi because after "bind" yi catches up to her and destroys her in 3 hits. And all of that is assuming she actually lands her bind, if she doesn't land her bind she's dead right off the bat. And for fiddlesticks it's far worse, not only does his fear last 1/3 of that duration but after it he has no means of escape at all.
Eedat (NA)
: You weren't illustrating a point. Not even a little. Illustrating a point would have been following through and showing how OP ADCs were in a 1v1. What you actually did was a bluff then folded when you were called on it.
It's ok, you think they aren't op? Good luck this season, when you get destroyed all season by ADCs let's see how "not op" they are.
Eedat (NA)
: So you made an offer and now you're backing down because someone actually called your bluff. Got it.
No, I was illustrating a point, that you took personally. But it's ok you can say you're big and bad if it makes you feel better lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tactrix,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sp8mQWIs,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2017-12-18T18:22:35.765+0000) > > People who play, yi, zed, fizz, lb, vayne, draven, kayn. That behavior is upsetting. Oh and let's not forget twitch, trist, mf, varus, and kali, so very upsetting. But to make you feel better you can also highly dislike kha, ren, amumu, and azir. In short annie, shen, darius, and mundo are also annoying. So.. uh.. there aren´t a lot of champs left to play
> [{quoted}](name=EvilDeBeagle,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sp8mQWIs,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2017-12-18T18:38:36.926+0000) > > So.. uh.. there aren´t a lot of champs left to play only a 100 or so lol.
Eedat (NA)
: I'll take you up on the offer, but it'll have to be later tonight after I'm off work and finished some errands. I can already tell you how this works though. We'll trade even-ish in lane until I hit 6 which is when you are 100% dead anytime my ult is off CD
LOL ok except I don't have draven on my current account, it's sad :*(, but i can already tell you that you woulda died like 4 times before you got to level 6.
: What actual player behavior ingame really upsets you?
People who play, yi, zed, fizz, lb, vayne, draven, kayn. That behavior is upsetting. Oh and let's not forget twitch, trist, mf, varus, and kali, so very upsetting. But to make you feel better you can also highly dislike kha, ren, amumu, and azir. In short annie, shen, darius, and mundo are also annoying.
: I feel like I'm the only Jhin who gets 100% crit or Shiv
Crit is pretty much always better, especially on jhin who at max crit will take your entire life on shot #4
: @Riot 1 report = 9 reports needs to be spread more
The summoners code is lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng and booooooooooooooooooring. Ain't nobody got time for all that, we have feeding and trolling to do!
: be like "notice me senpai" :)
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: ADCs suck at living. Dead serious. They don't have the ability to survive on their own. That's their weakness.
Ok well than you go ahead and take whatever champ you want, and ill take draven, and we'll 1v1 and see if I can "survive" lol. But remember, you're not allowed to take an adc :P
AmazoX (EUW)
: Serious not one molecule of a troll question for you everyone.
They really don't, the main problem with ADCs used to be they were squishy, but sadly the way they're done up right now because of lifesteal and crit they get all their life back upon hitting so honestly they don't really have much in the way of weaknesses.
: I can always hold on to my fantasies of playing with qtpie someday :)
or you can just you know... toss him an invite and hope he takes it :P
: I used to think silver was good.
There is no "good" league, there's just you hope to find 4 more people that you can play with who aren't trolls and try as hard as you, and then make a team and play with them. Otherwise it's a fine combination of troll city and solo que wasteland.
zero356 (NA)
: https://i.giphy.com/media/26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E/giphy.gif
: > [{quoted}](name=Tactrix,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gcVsftwB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-17T22:08:37.381+0000) > > They feel that if they ban everyone toxic that the game will be better, what will actually happen in reality is this game will go from 100mil people to 100 people. More like 100 Mil people to 99,999,900 people. People who are consistently or severely toxic are in the minority, not the majority. Additionally, toxicity isn't a matter of people who are inherently toxic, for the most part at least. It's a matter of people who have the propensity to become toxic when they tilt. The worst offenders are in the minority, and they get removed as they are caught. The community has improved in the years since Riot changed their policies and their reform system. My experience and that of others confirms this as we have more and more 'good' games in between the bad ones where somebody acts like a total prick and ruins everyone's fun. If your experience runs contrary to this then it is likely that you are actually the cause of your own bad experiences. The sort of player who tilts others around them and brings out the worst in them. If you antagonize and shift blame onto your teammates then of course they are going to behave poorly. If you want a better game experience you should first try to improve your own behavior. By showing your teammates respect and kindness, you will earn respect and kindness from them in return.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gcVsftwB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-12-18T18:04:04.165+0000) > > More like 100 Mil people to 99,999,900 people. People who are consistently or severely toxic are in the minority, not the majority. > > Additionally, toxicity isn't a matter of people who are inherently toxic, for the most part at least. It's a matter of people who have the propensity to become toxic when they tilt. The worst offenders are in the minority, and they get removed as they are caught. > > The community has improved in the years since Riot changed their policies and their reform system. My experience and that of others confirms this as we have more and more 'good' games in between the bad ones where somebody acts like a total prick and ruins everyone's fun. > > If your experience runs contrary to this then it is likely that you are actually the cause of your own bad experiences. The sort of player who tilts others around them and brings out the worst in them. If you antagonize and shift blame onto your teammates then of course they are going to behave poorly. > > If you want a better game experience you should first try to improve your own behavior. By showing your teammates respect and kindness, you will earn respect and kindness from them in return. BAHAHAHA! The community has gotten better? Based on what? Every single person I've ever talked to in this community says it's gotten worse except maybe you. Almost everyone who's ever played this game says and I quote "this is the most toxic community I've ever seen in my life". So you keep chugging along, but don't kid yourself there's nothing "better" about this community.
zero356 (NA)
: It is with that attitude
It's not an attitude it's a fact. Here are some others, if they wanted to balance a game why put in stats specifically designed to break it? For example, true damage, why put it in at all? The only thing it does is make armor invalid, and they give it to champs who they know for a fact will be 1 shotting. In what world is that designed for balance? Same thing with crit, why not limit it like they do CDR or pen? I've seen champs with over 100% crit easily, how is that balanced? And while we're on the subject of crit why only give it to ADs? If you really wanted to balance this game everyone should have access to it. The fact of the matter is they willfully and purposely tilt this game in the favor of ADs.
zero356 (NA)
: Balance Thoughts: Talking 'bout some Champions (Yas, Zoe, Fiora, etc.)
If you're looking for balance you're in the wrong game. This game has no intention of being balanced, and rito has made it crystal clear that balance is a pipedream. However if you want to know which are the truly broken champs you have to look no further than vayne, zed, and draven. They are literally designed as game breakers. They have no true counter endgame. If they even get a little ahead they will kill your whole team easily, and if they fall behind it makes no difference because they're still more powerful than people who are ahead.
: mainly I'm asking if its a requirement, some people will think its always needed and others will think its a situational item, but is there a situation in which you would want something better than the sightstone or its upgrades?
> [{quoted}](name=Requiem of Bones,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Arm779EG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-17T23:01:25.760+0000) > > mainly I'm asking if its a requirement, some people will think its always needed and others will think its a situational item, but is there a situation in which you would want something better than the sightstone or its upgrades? The only time you shouldn't have sightstone is when you sell it for item #6 at the end of the game. If you don't have it all game than chances are your game will end quickly when the enemy just ganks your team out all game.
: Because Supports
A sightstone is a requirement and I'll tell you why, as a support your first duty is to help the team. Now there is nothing more beneficial than having vision all the time. Without a sightstone your vision is limited at best. This is why the first item built by pretty much all supports is a gold item combined with sight.
ampheon (NA)
: Ivern says otherwise
By all means put him up against any of those jg's and lets see how long he survives.
: here is the counter arguement why go her when u can go zyra? more cc more damage more peel. mf has little to no peel crap poke and such. your litterally better off going kalista supp and using her ult to engage the adc and or peel the adc away.
Because zyra has literally nothing close in, if she blows all her CD's and can stun you than she can kill you, but if you dodge(and most people can) her stun shes dead, you will close in on her and there's nothing she can do about. On top of that zyra can't trade, she's based on her plants doing all the damage it leaves her with no way to properly trade, against adc's shes dead, especially MF who can and will use her plants to keep landing her bouncing shots. Now kali support is much better, she has both the means to get away, and the means to get your ADC away with her being able to ult out. That is a reasonable support pick but once again she's an ADC, which supports my argument that ADCs make better supports in this meta than supports do.
: You don't have to be able to kill the enemy jungler at all though. Survive them, yes, but not kill them. Also, lol, Morg can more than kill most other junglers, or at least force them to back off or risk being killed very shortly after, unless they catch her with her snare and pool down (Hint, most champs when caught with the skills down are easy to kill in the jungle, not just mages).
And you think that your mages can survive any of the junglers I mentioned? Even with full skills up I'd love to see any of them survive yi.
: Elise? Nidalee?
Both elise and nid are dualists, so I don't know what you're talking about.
: its not lol. i did it back in season 4 or 5 and was called a troll for it lo. then i did malz supp right after they reworked him the first time and was called a troll and bam someone in lcs does it and its viable lol. i did it because of several reasons
Actually MF support is viable, I've seen it a few times this season, they usually go dual ADCs bot, like trist and mf, or vayne and jhin, and they tear things up.
: Gnar's a unique champ
Uniquely gnarly {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: What is Baron Nashor's proper void name?
: VGU Fiddlesticks?
The walking and voice have to stay but they need to change the rest, make him look like scarecrow from batman.
: WHY IS RIOT SUCH A SHIT COMPANY!
They feel that if they ban everyone toxic that the game will be better, what will actually happen in reality is this game will go from 100mil people to 100 people.
Aeszarck (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tactrix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1rTeqpmi,comment-id=0007000000010002,timestamp=2017-12-17T12:36:32.045+0000) > > I'd love to see a mage jg survive against any real jg, that would be funny to watch. There are Fiddlesticks, Morgana, and Karthus. They're all passable junglers.
My point exactly, not a single one of them would survive 10 seconds against yi, xin, kayn, rek, kha, etc. you know, real junglers. To be a jungler you don't just have to be able to kill jungle minions, you have to have the ability to actively kill enemy junglers, they can't.
Kythers (NA)
: What's wrong with pineapple on pizza?
> [{quoted}](name=Kythers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xPE5fygi,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-17T14:43:43.848+0000) > > When you're ordering some cheap pizza, It adds a nice sweet contrast to an otherwise bland product. I obviously wouldn't get it on an expensive or higher end pizza (and it typically isn't an available option anyhow), but on cheap pizza it's a good way to make it more enjoyable. > > I can't tell if hating it is a meme at this point I love some hawaiian pizza, very tasty.
: > I'm not even going to waste my time reading your idiotic comment This ^ right here, in the initial ban it was triggered by constantly referring to players as idiots (IQ). I hope you know keywords aren't the only source of bans, but rather negativity is a big factor. As long as your causing a toxic experience for other players your at risk. The fact your telling people off for trying to explain why your banned really only goes to show how deserved it truly was. Not to mention you clearly didn't even learn your lesson... your not reformed. Do you want my honest suggestion? Stop being a terrible human being in life, and eventually, bad things won't catch up to you. This is your second offense, and even to get a single one requires multiple report flags. Ask yourself how many people suffered by playing with you, and if Riot's not doing the community a favor by keeping you out.
The people you're talking about do get punished, a lot more often than you realize. Just because they didn't get punished the certain game you saw them doesn't mean they didn't get punished a little later, and eventually they too will be banned.
Cathanne (NA)
: ***
I don't understand how you can't seem to get this through your head, toxicity isn't based only on certain words, it's the act of willfully making a negative and toxic environment for the people around you, you have repeatedly demonstrated that you have. Look at what you're doing right now on the forums, you are willfully being toxic for no reason. And before you say "but they banned me that's a good reason". No it isn't, there is no good reason to be toxic, being mad I understand but you aren't just being mad you're being mad and being toxic to everyone who's trying to explain to you that being mad and toxic are 2 different things.
: Game has always been based around ADCs, and they have almost always been a essential part of the game. The game is just naturally based around ADCs; you can't have a game without them. There have been very few exceptions to this rule, and the times where they have worked, they've only done so for brief periods (Ziggs).
It's not actually based around them though, it's based around assassins. Take any ADC who isn't an assassin, let's say MF since shes a fine example, against any assassin she's worthless, zed, fizz, kat all 1 shot her before she can do anything.
Leetri (EUW)
: Mages can go in every lane too, but you don't see anyone complaining about that.
I'd love to see a mage jg survive against any real jg, that would be funny to watch.
: Top Lane is the new support.
Welcome to season 8 AD/crit beats all meta.
Cathanne (NA)
: this is not about your little morality buddy. This is about the AUTOMATED SYSTEM. The AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT HAS A SET PROCEDURE AND METHOD FOR DOING THINGS. This AUTOMATED SYSTEM requires THREE games where you are reported and it finds your chat to be breaking the rules for you to receive the punishment. The only time this is NOT the case is if it is some kind of EXCEPTION LIKE A TRIGGER WORD If your comment is "wow, me being a sentient human and me being totally important and relevant to this thinks this is inappropriate!!! >:(" No, I don't care what you think, this isn't about you. The point is this chat would need to be said many times to get a punishmetn on clean record, but clearly there is EXCEPTION
You're not getting it, there is no exception, the 3 strikes thing isn't how the system works anymore. They post 3 chat logs sometimes as 3 games where you were considered toxic, but I've seen 2 and 1 log as well, if the system considers your behavior toxic they don't need 3 games. They will put the punishment on you immediately. However judging by just this thread alone I know for a fact that you're a lot more toxic than just 1 game.
Cathanne (NA)
: 10 game chat restricted with only one mild log???
You punishment was 100% justified in this case, for the record it doesn't matter what honor your account is or how long it's been active, if you're toxic starting this season you will get tagged immediately for it by autobots. And if it persists there will be a ban. Up until this point the tribunal was done by people, this season it isn't anymore. So if you're expecting anything in the way of leniency you can forget about it.
: Twice in the last 2 seasons we've had ADCs going mid ({{champion:42}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:96}} ) and occasionally top({{champion:236}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:67}} ) If assassins were OP for the last 2 years you would think they would have been much more prevalent than they were, especially with no-cc ADCarries roaming all over the map
You do realize both vayne and quinn are assassins right?
haidies (EUW)
: not getting chest after getting an S
Here are the requirements for getting a chest. You must own the champ, you must be at level 5 with the champ, you must get S or higher with the champ. You must have never gotten a chest before with the champ. If any of these aren't met you won't be getting a chest.
: Yet somehow they got rid of the oh so frustrating Ardent Censor Meta JUST BEFORE this happened. The OP should give it time and be aware what time it is before having made such a rash matter over it. Yeah it sucks but if the season was judged off a single nearly unrelated patch, then this gsme would have sunk the first Lethality meta if not sooner. If Riot wanted to leave the game as is with nothing further then yeah this would get stale. But you know it and the OP knows it: it will change!
It might change but it won't be for the better, and I won't be around for it, this game is a waste of time now, rito doesn't give a shit about making the game better, they only care about money.
Chermorg (NA)
: How many games do you think someone has to ruin for others before they deserve punishment?
I don't know how many years has rito been ruining this game with their bullshit idea of balance? And yet not a single one of them is banned.
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