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A large part of that concurrent players claim comes from the fact that you include regions where Steam doesn't do business.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:23:53.851+0000) > > I never said it was a fact. Perhaps, but you never said it was just an opinion either. You just said "It's less fun"
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T03:12:40.501+0000) > > Perhaps, but you never said it was just an opinion either. > You just said "It's less fun" I always treat everything on a discussion forum as opinion by default, unless it's something informational that's clearly meant to convey facts to someone in order to help them or something like that.
: Actually, this is great. If you could kindly round up all the others who hate it and also convince them to never play again that'd be great. Seems like every other match in TFT I get a handful of people just crying their eyes out. "It's RNG BS!" "Trash mode is trash" "Everybody just builds the same team, this is stupid, you're all garbage" It's a risky proposition because maybe that would kill the population and thus the mode, but I'd take the risk if there's a potential I can stop reading complaints from people who have no interest in the mode, but keep showing up game after game, or in comments and on boards, to annoy those that do.
> [{quoted}](name=j0kulhaups,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=0002000000000002,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:30:58.460+0000) > > Actually, this is great. If you could kindly round up all the others who hate it and also convince them to never play again that'd be great. > > Seems like every other match in TFT I get a handful of people just crying their eyes out. "It's RNG BS!" "Trash mode is trash" "Everybody just builds the same team, this is stupid, you're all garbage" > > It's a risky proposition because maybe that would kill the population and thus the mode, but I'd take the risk if there's a potential I can stop reading complaints from people who have no interest in the mode, but keep showing up game after game, or in comments and on boards, to annoy those that do. Well, i'm happy to indirectly assist you. I'm not going to lie and say that I subconsciously wish the same thing every other game of 3v3. But to be frank, TFT is the reason 3v3 is going away. So I would admittedly not shed a tear if TFT died. I'm just really tired of things I enjoyed in the game being taken away. Riot always makes some BS excuse like "its too much resources for something that isnt popular, and to that I call BS- Riot makes stupidillion dollars a year, they can afford to keep TT in maintenance mode like they have for the last 4 years they've barely touched it, and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line in the slightest. Funny enough, Arena of Valor, which is also owned by Tencent like Riot/League is, doesn't seem to have a problem keeping less popular modes available. I wonder why one moba can do it and another far more successful one can't.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T01:50:48.435+0000) > > Becuase they can't be. > > They added a minigame, something that has basically nothing to do with the agme we all know and love whatsoever except for the theming, and was completely ripped off from another game that did the same thing, and somehow it becaome popular where game modes that were actually game modes that still resembled the main game in some way did not. It makes no sense to me and still doesn't. > > I'd rather play a game where you sort dog turds from cat doodies and that would still be more fun than TFT. But regardless, TFT is popular for reasons beyond my comprehension and thus I'll get downvoted to oblivion. > > Am I salty that something that was supposed to be an "experimental mode" was fast tracked to release and immediately given ranked and made permanent without even community feedback while a part of the game that I know and have loved for years despite being neglected gets deleted to make room for it? > > Yes. Yes I am, and I freely admit it. But even setting that aside, I don't find TFT fun and I won't play it again. That's great, don't play it. But it being less fun than other game modes is your opinion, not fact.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:22:11.583+0000) > > That's great, don't play it. But it being less fun than other game modes is your opinion, not fact. I never said it was a fact.
Ketr (NA)
: lol mad?
> [{quoted}](name=Ketr,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:08:08.363+0000) > > lol mad? Yep. And I'm not afraid to admit it.
: And they said opinions couldn't be wrong
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=HT1l3E8E,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-27T23:35:19.325+0000) > > And they said opinions couldn't be wrong Becuase they can't be. They added a minigame, something that has basically nothing to do with the agme we all know and love whatsoever except for the theming, and was completely ripped off from another game that did the same thing, and somehow it becaome popular where game modes that were actually game modes that still resembled the main game in some way did not. It makes no sense to me and still doesn't. I'd rather play a game where you sort dog turds from cat doodies and that would still be more fun than TFT. But regardless, TFT is popular for reasons beyond my comprehension and thus I'll get downvoted to oblivion. Am I salty that something that was supposed to be an "experimental mode" was fast tracked to release and immediately given ranked and made permanent without even community feedback while a part of the game that I know and have loved for years despite being neglected gets deleted to make room for it? Yes. Yes I am, and I freely admit it. But even setting that aside, I don't find TFT fun and I won't play it again.
: TFT Update: Powerful Punch-Ups
still less fun than twisted treeline and dominion
Aamano (NA)
: Riot if youre not working on fun player engaging content then WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING
: I was banned for fraud
Almost nobody who gets banned thinks they deserve it. But, we're here to tell you you do. And also that you're a sucker for falling for it.
Rioter Comments
: Has anyone noticed how deathly quiet Riot has been since they announced Eternals?
Deleting TT might not be a big enough deal for people, but good luck sweeping this one under the rug, riot.
: Eternals: My Thoughts/Hopes for the Product.
My thought and hope is that it either ceases to exist or becomes a free, included feature with the game. It basically amounts to paying money on a per champion basis to get achievements, something pretty much every other game out there gives you for free.
: Riot: Nah. We stopped giving tokens on TT because we wanted to kill it off in the first place. This was our way of getting players out of TT to justify its removal. Enjoy our Eternals, where you can now have more stats tracked for your favorite champions at only 850 per champion!
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xoqrV663,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-17T16:37:38.891+0000) > > Riot: Nah. We stopped giving tokens on TT because we wanted to kill it off in the first place. This was our way of getting players out of TT to justify its removal. Enjoy our Eternals, where you can now have more stats tracked for your favorite champions at only 850 per champion! yep. Just getting more moneygrabby with each passing day. Please shareholders above all else. Purchased achievements lol, I didn't believe it til i saw it.
Aeszarck (NA)
: I think they want to drive as many people away from it as possible, so that when it is retired, they have as few people are playing it as possible. If my theory were true, it would also explain why they aren't awarding a Chroma for Twisted Treeline Flex.
> [{quoted}](name=Aeszarck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xoqrV663,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-05T03:21:04.894+0000) > > I think they want to drive as many people away from it as possible, so that when it is retired, they have as few people are playing it as possible. If my theory were true, it would also explain why they aren't awarding a Chroma for Twisted Treeline Flex. Well, yes. It's obvious to anyone that they were giving up on it so they ignored it in order to make it easier to make an excuse to get rid of it when they found a new cash grab in auto chess. I don't get it. There are far less popular games than League that seem to have no trouble keeping all their game modes around and have more than league does. Why actively try to kill off something you created and clearly *some* people enjoy?
: No. -Riot
> [{quoted}](name=OtakuBurrito,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xoqrV663,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-04T13:25:53.841+0000) > > No. -Riot "This is why we can't have nice things" - Everyone else
Rioter Comments
: So I couldn't find it in the post. Can I play Twisted Treeline yet?
Nope, they screw us over by announcing its retirement, but won't let us play the crap out of it before that happens whilst earning tokens. Becuase who gives a crap if players are happy or not?
: PROJECT 2019 Event Guide
"Additional PROJECT 2019 Tokens for every First Win of the Day and all matchmade PvP games" Another blatant lie, 3v3 won't give them. God, if you're going to kill our game mode, at least let us earn tokens while we're playing it before it goes away.
: > [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:34:56.111+0000) > > if they can make old champions great again theres no reason they cant make TT also great. Make 3v3 Great Again!
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:41:57.859+0000) > > Make 3v3 Great Again! or more accurately, make it continue to exist again or something like that
: > [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:34:56.111+0000) > > if they can make old champions great again theres no reason they cant make TT also great. You'd basically have to remake TT in its entirely, give it its own unique flavor that's not just "diet Summoner's Rift", to get more people to want to play it. The way TT is now, it's doomed to obscurity no matter how many small changes you make because, by and large, it's just a smaller Summoner's Rift. Especially when the map by design has a lot of the same issues people have with current SR but exacerbated _(snowballing, the sense of inevitability when one team gets ahead)_, as well as having a much smaller pool of viable champions on a meta level.
> [{quoted}](name=Reaversal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:38:44.484+0000) > > You'd basically have to remake TT in its entirely, give it its own unique flavor that's not just "diet Summoner's Rift", to get more people to want to play it. I don't have any problem with this. In fact, that's exactly what they should do. The point is they're giving up after years of not doing anything rather than having been working on making it into something better the entire time. If they started 4 years ago when they last updated anything to do with TT, we'd have a new 3v3 experience by now. But no, instead we get an auto-chess ripoff. A ripoff that was advertised as an experimental mode when it was first announced, but which immediately got fast tracked to release with none of the community evaluation that Nexus Blitz went through plans for ranked and all sorts of things, and no "experimental" designation in sight. And this is the thing that ultimately caused TT to get killed off, when as early as a year ago they said 3v3 wasn't going anywhere. You can hopefully understand why I feel burned.
Schenix (NA)
: You see, the difference, is that 10% of the userbase uses the Legacy cursor compared to under 0.2% of the userbase on Treeline. Not that I support Treeline being removed since I'm part of that small userbase across however so many accounts that actually play it. Also, it does cost an amount to maintain. Just because you aren't aware of how software and firmware work, doesn't mean it's non-existent. However, the cost of it is admittedly remarkably low for such a simple purpose that it wasn't worth mentioning.
> [{quoted}](name=Useless Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:46:54.814+0000) > > You see, the difference, is that 10% of the userbase uses the Legacy cursor compared to under 0.2% of the userbase on Treeline. Not that I support Treeline being removed since I'm part of that small userbase across however so many accounts that actually play it. [citation needed] You don't have any data about who does and doesn't use the legacy cursor, you're just making up numbers that match what you personally believe.
: tft needs the priority cuz cough cough NEW stuff trumps old relics despite could be shined again.
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LvsdyPi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-02T23:40:15.386+0000) > > tft needs the priority cuz cough cough NEW stuff trumps old relics despite could be shined again. the sad reality =\ Still, "nobody" using something isn't much of a reason to remove something that isn't impacting anyone that isn't using it. And the cost of keeping either of these things (yes, even TT) pales in comparison to LOL's profits.
Rioter Comments
: I am done.
said it before and ill say it agian, i'm uninstalling after the season. There's no trinket or parting gift riot could give me that would keep me in the game. I'm sick of riot's solution to content not metting their expecations being "remove it" rather than "improve it."
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-01T16:40:11.490+0000) > > Hi, I have 700+ matches this season alone, and just as many or more in the past two, and played in every season since three. You are just one player. I think i asked for 9 more. I'm not making a point that no one plays TT. I'm saying that people who complain about TT removal right now on the boards have, in the majority, not logged a single game in years and yet, here they are arguing that TT should stay because apparently, they care so much about it that they don't even invest their time into the game mode one bit. The overall play rate of TT is so low that it's more costly to keep it running when Riot apparently doesn't have any plans to make significant changes due to their belief that the game mode is not getting any popular anytime soon, unless there are some major changes. And they're not convinced that spending such resources would even make people more invested. Since you've played over 700 games this season, you know that TT itself isn't a dumpster fire and it's actually playable. So the people who're giving the excuse that they haven't touched TT in years because Riot also didn't bother to "clean up the mold", are just looking for an easy way out.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=00030000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T21:52:32.405+0000) > > You are just one player. > I think i asked for 9 more. By playing even one game, that means five other people played with me. By playing 700+ games, It's pretty clear that at least 10 people played. It doesn't matter how many people I list, you would never be satisfied. This is the card that every hater plays. I have the experience to tell you that riot has made little if any real attempt in the last 5 years or so to really address the game's issues and realize its strengths. The singular useful thing they did in the last several years was the conversion to flex queue and offering special ranked rewards. 3v3 challengers from last season even still got the backpacks. This one change actually reduced wait times a ton from the old ranked team system- but I won't give riot a lot of credit for this because the real reason they bothered to do it was becuase they were removing that system from the client, so they were FORCED to do something here. The last actual balance "change" for TT was choosing to clone and retain the old versions of all the major support items when they changed them for SUmmoner's Rift, because they said that the new items might be disruptive to the 3v3 environment. One balance change. There are a few champion changes that impacted TT indirectly, such Skarner's doohickeys getting taken off the minimap. But that's really the end of it. There's really no way anyone can deny they just deliberately left it to rot so they could kill it off later once they found something to take its place. And that something isn't even League- it's a minigame within a game. Arena of Valor, a phone based ripoff of League (also published by Tencent, what a coincidence) has a bunch of modes that people don't play often. But they don't remove them. And that's the important part. They don't have to remove it, regardless of the popularity. The cost of maintaining it is pennies against the money they're printing with SR and esports. This game really needs a mode with smaller teams- that by itself makes it easy to pick up and play with a few friends. This is important. Even if it's not TT, there needs to be something to fill this hole. I don't have ten friends I can round up in a hurry, but with some effort I might get a 3 man team together, and they might know people. >The overall play rate of TT is so low that it's more costly to keep it running when Riot apparently doesn't have any plans to make significant changes due to their belief that the game mode is not getting any popular anytime soon, unless there are some major changes. And they're not convinced that spending such resources would even make people more invested. And I'm not going to deny it does need changes. But that's what it needs. It needs changes, not removal. Riot is just too lazy/uncaring to actually take a fair shot at it, proven by the lack of any attempt in like 6 years. And like I said before. It doesn't need to be popular to exist. FFXIV has PvP that most people in the game don't care about. But it still exists, and Square isn't threatening to delete it and in fact they keep updating it. It costs them little to keep it in, and it does have value with the community near the end of patch cycle as a tool that keeps people playing rather than subbing/unsubbing when they beat all the content. TL;DR, the solution to flailing popularity is fix it, not delete it.
: Except they *did* make changes to TT. Itemization, champion balance, even map updates, all to try and get more people to play the mode. It didn't work. Riot has access to **all** the data, which means that they could see if the player base would boost up when they made changes. Judging by their decision to just remove the mode, I'm guessing it didn't go up by much, if at all. I've been on the Boards when they've made changes to TT. There was basically no noise about it at all. I'm sorry that the mode is leaving, I really am, but the simple fact of the matter is that basically no one was playing it, and that's just not something Riot can keep around.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3A3N1X5O,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-01T03:12:07.921+0000) > > Except they *did* make changes to TT. Itemization, champion balance, even map updates, all to try and get more people to play the mode. It didn't work. > > Riot has access to **all** the data, which means that they could see if the player base would boost up when they made changes. Judging by their decision to just remove the mode, I'm guessing it didn't go up by much, if at all. > > I've been on the Boards when they've made changes to TT. There was basically no noise about it at all. I'm sorry that the mode is leaving, I really am, but the simple fact of the matter is that basically no one was playing it, and that's just not something Riot can keep around. You rpost is wrong on multiple levels. First, the updates made over the last seven years have been minimal. The only real significant one in the last several years was changing the ranked queue to flex, but that was mostly becuase the ranked teams system was being removed, and not something for TT specifically. Second, you don't have to delete things that are unpopular. Any claims about cost are BS. The cost to keep it around is minimal against the gazillion dollars they're making off SR and now TFT. Removing content is bad, regardless of the popularity.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-01T01:42:57.641+0000) > > If "no one" played it, no one would be complaining. And yet here we are. No1cares about what you think You guys have a tanty over cursor changes.
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T10:07:09.896+0000) > > No1cares about what you think > > You guys have a tanty over cursor changes. cursor changes? what? What does that have to do with twisted treeline? And why are you implying you have to be a TT player to care about cursor changes?
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=goodiesohhi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-08-01T03:37:40.436+0000) > > Then he find another cigarette company cause there are more than 1. > > > Also. > > In years to come, TFT becomes bigger than summoners rift and summoners rift dies. > Riot: We'll be removing sr to focus on our bigger mode (singular). > Also League of Legends for mobile. There are other Moba's and he's free to go play them if he thinks they are better. There are also other games. So if he's truly "addicted" he has alternetives, but he doesnt wanna leave, that's why he's on the boards making this thread. > In years to come, TFT becomes bigger than summoners rift and summoners rift dies. > Riot: We'll be removing sr to focus on our bigger mode (singular). > Also League of Legends for mobile. Not gonna happen, TT was a dead game mode from very soon after it was released, literally almost every thread about it's removel has OP saying "I NEVER PLAYED IT, BUT IM MAD". Bruh, if you didnt play it, you're part of why it was removed. And no, even when the modr was updated it barely had players, the mode was never popular.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T11:51:20.837+0000) > > There are other Moba's and he's free to go play them if he thinks they are better. > There are also other games. > So if he's truly "addicted" he has alternetives, but he doesnt wanna leave, that's why he's on the boards making this thread. > > Not gonna happen, TT was a dead game mode from very soon after it was released, literally almost every thread about it's removel has OP saying "I NEVER PLAYED IT, BUT IM MAD". > Bruh, if you didnt play it, you're part of why it was removed. > And no, even when the modr was updated it barely had players, the mode was never popular. The queue times i've had from start to finish disagree with you (which have always been far shorter than dominion ever was, even though I was a fan of that too). hell, unless i queue support, the queue times were comparable to SR for much of its life, which means there were enough players to keep the games going. Is it like your day job to just piss on things that someone else likes that you don't? "stop liking what I don't like!"
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: #The confirmation bias is strong within this one... Do you actually believe that the people who are now complaining, are all TT players through and through? Look at all of those threads and find me 10 people who are and have at least 20 games under their belt. I'll wait.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T13:47:50.131+0000) > > #The confirmation bias is strong within this one... > > Do you actually believe that the people who are now complaining, are all TT players through and through? Look at all of those threads and find me 10 people who are and have at least 20 games under their belt. I'll wait. Hi, I have 700+ matches this season alone, and just as many or more in the past two, and played in every season since three.
: If you have to delete something, let it be Yuumi instead 🙏🏻
> [{quoted}](name=Kirigahara,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HY2Al4dT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-31T20:03:16.260+0000) > > If you have to delete something, let it be Yuumi instead 🙏🏻 But yuumi is actually awesome on TT..... I have an absurd win rate with her lol
: On the few occasions i've played Twisted Treeline i've met the dedicated playerbase: twice as many bots as actual humans.
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HY2Al4dT,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2019-08-01T03:35:18.027+0000) > > On the few occasions i've played Twisted Treeline i've met the dedicated playerbase: twice as many bots as actual humans. The bot problem is only in blind pick. Ranked has never had this issue, bots don't play ranked.
: Twisted Treeline is a story of neglect
Riot's philosophy is if something isn't an instant success, it isn't worth the time or effort to shape or mold it into a success.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3A3N1X5O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-01T02:01:25.159+0000) > > as with dominion, instead of making a real effort to address the problems of the mode and build on its scucesses, they simply leave it to rot so they have an excuse to delete it later. I really liked dominion it was fun, it was just a bs match you could do to wind down for the night. there was never a "serious and gotta win" aspect. I quit league for an extended period of time to focus souly on my career and was really disappointed when I came back to see it gone.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Sneaky Beaky,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3A3N1X5O,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T02:11:06.373+0000) > > I really liked dominion it was fun, it was just a bs match you could do to wind down for the night. > > there was never a "serious and gotta win" aspect. > > I quit league for an extended period of time to focus souly on my career and was really disappointed when I came back to see it gone. Indeed. And while I was quite a bit more involved with it, it was always less serious and also less toxic than most league games, and that was one of the reasons I enjoyed it.
: Mass manipulation strategies (Twisted Treeline related)
as with dominion, instead of making a real effort to address the problems of the mode and build on its scucesses, they simply leave it to rot so they have an excuse to delete it later.
Ewberton (NA)
: Yeah, I honestly believe riot killed it on purpose too.. They didn't include it on the arcade event ticket, so you couldn't get tokens for it, there's no first tower bonus, the minions give old gold values (cannons give like 45-49 all game) so games were stagnant and slow, and there's no thought for champions on it, Qiyana was designed and put out, and TT and ARAM couldn't even use one of he elements; league's interviews talk about how they're not afraid to have so many champs or permanent game modes, but it seems like once they hit 3 game modes, someone's gotta go; we just got TFT, so I knew TT wouldn't last much longer
> [{quoted}](name=Ewberton,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uYYrPYGd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T22:34:06.820+0000) > > Yeah, I honestly believe riot killed it on purpose too.. They didn't include it on the arcade event ticket, so you couldn't get tokens for it, there's no first tower bonus, the minions give old gold values (cannons give like 45-49 all game) so games were stagnant and slow, and there's no thought for champions on it, Qiyana was designed and put out, and TT and ARAM couldn't even use one of he elements; league's interviews talk about how they're not afraid to have so many champs or permanent game modes, but it seems like once they hit 3 game modes, someone's gotta go; we just got TFT, so I knew TT wouldn't last much longer This together with TFT was the death knell. Not allowing 3v3 to earn tokens certainly helped tank popularity more, since it made sure ppl who didn't already play it wouldn't start, and it even forced regular players who love the mode to play other modes for the sake of getting pass tokens, pusing player numbers even lower. Then TFT comes out, falsely advertised as an experimental mode before its launch, immediately gets made permanent, and for reasons beyond my comprehension, becomes super popular despite having almost nothing to do with the rest of league.
: Imagine being upset over a gamemode no one played. Even all the ARAM only accounts on here would agree
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U9eJTE9X,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-31T23:25:49.154+0000) > > Imagine being upset over a gamemode no one played. > > Even all the ARAM only accounts on here would agree If "no one" played it, no one would be complaining. And yet here we are.
Hwke94 (NA)
: What good reason would riot have to axe a quarter of their player base?
> [{quoted}](name=Hwke94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HY2Al4dT,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-08-01T01:20:51.794+0000) > > What good reason would riot have to axe a quarter of their player base? probably those players don't spend as much money per player as those that play the other parts of the game
: Noone cares about TT bring game modes back that people enjoy.
Everything should always be available. I don't give a damn how popular it is. If you want to get together a few friends and have fun or mess around you should be able to do that. Stop removing shiat and start fixing it.
: I hate to break it to you but they have an experimental rework of Aurelion Sol on the PBE.
Let's keep this going, maybe they'll f&*(# around with Taric too since I like him. Seems like everything I've ever liked in this game has been changed to be unfun or just outright removed.
Wuks (NA)
: Patch 9.14 - "A critical error has occurred" Report Megathread
This error was probably caused by the announcement of the removal of TT.
Akrid415 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HY2Al4dT,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T23:21:42.978+0000) > > TFT. - That is the replacement. Really? That game mode blows imo. I'd honestly rather have Dominion back.
> [{quoted}](name=Akrid415,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HY2Al4dT,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T23:48:49.720+0000) > > Really? That game mode blows imo. I'd honestly rather have Dominion back. I'd rather have a free for all deathmatch, any previous RGM, or just about anything else other than TFT. If anything, TFT should have been developed as a standalone thing, not a "game mode" that doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to the rest of the game. I still want dominion back too. But not at the expense of 3v3.
: Save the Twisted Treeline!
There's little I can do but upvote threads like this and uninstall the game once it's removed. Thank you for taking the time to write what I'm too frustrated to write.
: Really does say a lot about how much you care about the mode if the only thing you think they’ve done with it was in 2012. Reactionary crybaby post for updoots, how sad
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zdPw05jB,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-31T23:27:14.059+0000) > > Really does say a lot about how much you care about the mode if the only thing you think they’ve done with it was in 2012. > > Reactionary crybaby post for updoots, how sad Okay. If you want to be technical, they've done... a couple things in the interval between then and now: -Kept the old support items instead of changing them to the new ones when they came out, if this really even counts as a "change" -Changed ranked to flex queue and made it available in more regions -and a handful of minor adjustments around four years ago. Meanwhile SR has had major mechanical changes every year (and honestly, it probably shouldn't have been doing that). I know you want to be Technically Correct, the best kind of Correct (tm), but saying they've made more than zero updates since 2012 doesn't really mean that they really put a decent effort in to address issues and improve the game. No, they just focus on where the money is and instead of making under-performing areas of the game better, they just delete them instead. Hence why they copied Auto Chess.
: there's no point in keeping it as it is now, he has to rework it and not deleted it :(
> [{quoted}](name=Small Boobs Ahri,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zdPw05jB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-31T21:59:26.450+0000) > > there's no point in keeping it as it is now, he has to rework it and not deleted it :( If their announcement is "We want to take it down so that we can redevelop it from the ground up into something that we can be proud of" I would be cheering the announcement- instead I'm cursing them for continuing to take away every part of the game I've ever liked: Dominion RGMs in general but especially ascension and hexakill Old Swain now TT What's next, they'll probably delete Aurelion Sol since that's one of my favorite champions, or "rework" it into a pile of crap .
R0XTAR (NA)
: Petition to keep Twisted Treeline a permanent mode
If TT leaves, I will be leaving with it. Not that riot gives a damn. but this marks the second MOBA game variation i've enjoyed that's been cut. Despite the issues it does have (due mostly to Riot's neglect), I've always enjoyed 3v3 because I feel like I have a greater stake in the outcome of the match. In a 3v3 game, when I win or lose a game, I can more confidently say whether or not my play/champion choice/etc caused the win/loss. Whereas in SR there are a lot of games where I feel like I did well but it didn't seem to matter. I think I'll go play 2v2v2v2v2 deathmatch in arena of valor, it isn't half as good but it's still way better than having essentially one mode that's a replica of every other similar type of game ever made, and a million times better than this TFT nonsense- and really I can't figure out why it''s so popular when it barely even has anything to do with league at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wF77eAx5,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-07-25T16:52:41.418+0000)Given the response he got from a rioter telling him he can "eat sh*t," his ban really should be overturned. I can not believe that a support person would ever say that to a customer, no matter what they did. If that is an accurate screenshot (conversations are on HTML-based platforms, and a quick trip to the inspector can make someone's text say anything you want), that is indeed problematic behavior. It would not, however, mean that the ban was necessarily misplaced -- simply that the support agent acted inappropriately in making that statement.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wF77eAx5,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-07-25T16:57:34.056+0000) > > If that is an accurate screenshot (conversations are on HTML-based platforms, and a quick trip to the inspector can make someone's text say anything you want), that is indeed problematic behavior. It would not, however, mean that the ban was necessarily misplaced -- simply that the support agent acted inappropriately in making that statement. I agree it's possible that an image was manipulated, but yall seem to be really ganging up on this guy and assuming the worst instead of assuming good faith. I mean riot has logs, right? So all it would take is a simple trip to the logs to verify the truth here.
: Fromage is the manager apparently from what the 2nd support staffer told me. They said they agree with me and have no arguments but will not overturn the ban since it was already addressed in the ticket. When I asked why it won't be overturned even if addressed in the other ticket I got told because Fromage was above her.
> [{quoted}](name=911 For Allah,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wF77eAx5,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-25T15:50:36.418+0000) > > Fromage is the manager apparently from what the 2nd support staffer told me. They said they agree with me and have no arguments but will not overturn the ban since it was already addressed in the ticket. When I asked why it won't be overturned even if addressed in the other ticket I got told because Fromage was above her. piublish that image all over social media- "why do I get banned for this when the rioter who told me to eat s**t gets no punishment?"
: I have had this name since beta and never once ran into issue with it. The only way you read 911 as nine eleven is if you are being Islamophic towards Muslims. If you really think impartially, if you did not see Allah in my name and just 911 For Texas, you would have read it as Nine One One not Nine Eleven. My name is a person reflection of my daily life and honestly I find it very bigoted towards my religion if anyone reads it as Nine Eleven, as I explained in my post above.
> [{quoted}](name=911 For Allah,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wF77eAx5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-25T15:11:22.748+0000) > > I have had this name since beta and never once ran into issue with it. The only way you read 911 as nine eleven is if you are being Islamophic towards Muslims. If you really think impartially, if you did not see Allah in my name and just 911 For Texas, you would have read it as Nine One One not Nine Eleven. My name is a person reflection of my daily life and honestly I find it very bigoted towards my religion if anyone reads it as Nine Eleven, as I explained in my post above. Perhaps you should choose a name that doesn't have anything to do with your daily life. After all, you're playing in a fantasy world here.
: I'm not sure how much success you will have. To some extent the acceptability of names is not based just on the user who created them, but also how the community will perceive them. I'm going to take the above rationale for the name at face value (as I don't know you enough to doubt you), and in that context it does make sense, yes -- but other players do not see that context, and if the name is suitable close to something offensive (and it is a reasonable interpretation of the name) Riot does have the right to adjust it, frustrating though that may be for you. Definitely send in another ticket if you want, but I wouldn't get your hopes too high. While I know you may personally believe it is bigoted to read 911 in any other way, it is, ultimately, a connection many people will make simply because of the myriad of ways that connection has been made on the internet already (including, yes, ways similar to the way you present it here, using 911 instead of 9/11).
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wF77eAx5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-25T15:18:22.680+0000) > > I'm not sure how much success you will have. To some extent the acceptability of names is not based just on the user who created them, but also how the community will perceive them. I'm going to take the above rationale for the name at face value (as I don't know you enough to doubt you), and in that context it does make sense, yes -- but other players do not see that context, and if the name is suitable close to something offensive (and it is a reasonable interpretation of the name) Riot does have the right to adjust it, frustrating though that may be for you. > > Definitely send in another ticket if you want, but I wouldn't get your hopes too high. While I know you may personally believe it is bigoted to read 911 in any other way, it is, ultimately, a connection many people will make simply because of the myriad of ways that connection has been made on the internet already (including, yes, ways similar to the way you present it here, using 911 instead of 9/11). Given the response he got from a rioter telling him he can "eat sh*t," his ban really should be overturned. I can not believe that a support person would ever say that to a customer, no matter what they did. If I said that to a customer where I work, no matter what that customer said or did to me, I'd be fired on the spot most likely.
: I ran into an Islamophic Rioter who banned me for a misunderstanding on my name.
I'm going to play devils advocate here and assume you didn't make the name intentionally to aggrivate people. However, if you stopped and thoight about it for a very short time, you would have had to have known that it probably wasn't going to go over very well, and so you probably got the ban because it was seen by the rioter as intent to be disruptive/offensive. That being said, usually the punishment for a bad name is you have to change it, so I will agree that it was unfair, but you still should have known better.
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