: Noob Questions: What Determines A Champion's Lane?
: Master Yi left the blue side fountain with 856 move speed
Missing Yi's and Rammus total stats and respective skill ranks.
: Season 4 did not have {{champion:136}} or {{champion:516}} therefore it is dead it me.
> [{quoted}](name=Grizzlpaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VFT1P1oo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-27T08:24:20.325+0000) > > Season 4 did not have {{champion:136}} or {{champion:516}} therefore it is dead it me. we can keep the new champions
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koshkyra (NA)
: Im not talking about that. Jarvan can be rooted AND THEN use EQ.
> [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8T8sjP5c,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-22T19:46:28.848+0000) > > Im not talking about that. Jarvan can be rooted AND THEN use EQ. Q is not a mobility spell neither is E
: I'm also sick of all the Janna hate
Janna main... The problem isn't that her kit is simple, it's because she's been overpowered for ages, but is never nerfed while some champions get hotfixed for much less. Also Janna has a high skill ceiling? Is that a joke? The hardest thing to do on her is using her ult to knock back an enemy champion in a certain direction, and it's still miles behind the difficult of several other champions.
: Akali is OP because of her ridiculously short shroud cooldwon
How did she stall in a bush for 10 seconds without the both of you doing anything?
Rioter Comments
: Malzahar still needs major changes
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IfBAPK9A,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-21T10:36:25.088+0000) > > https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33778590/malzahar.jpg > > Because every time he's "good" he's oppressive as hell. > > Riot's reasoning for reworking him was to make him more interactive in lane.... > by giving him a spellshield. > > > He's an ancient, archaic design that didn't get the VGU he'd need to be a healthy champion but simply got more gimmicks loaded into his kit. > And he's back at terrorizing SoloQ. > > And no, you can't pull the "Old Malz had a 53% win rate too!" because back then his pick rate was hilariously low. > > Malzahar needs changes, a VGU preferrably as his visuals are outdated and he can't be balanced with only small tweaks to his kit. Janna was much better stats than Malzahar, she is much more oppressive then.
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: Have you seen the monster that is ap Warwick
> [{quoted}](name=Tails9016,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hs4N74fw,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2017-08-20T22:58:03.593+0000) > > Have you seen the monster that is ap Warwick *was
: That's because Janna doesn't have a stupid minigame like Singed. Stupid concept for a champ in general. "If you chase me, you die. I move faster than you and throw you behind me, so you are forced to chase me. If you do not deal with me, you cannot push because the minions in your spawn do not get to choose between chasing or not." Janna is literally team dependant. She does well with coordinated teams, but poorly with retards. Janna just gets carried every match, but good Janna's can pull their weight. Janna isn't the problem though, until they make an item that counters shields similar to grievous wounds countering heals, she will be strong. That shithead in charge can nerf Janna, nerf Nunu, nerf Cho nerf everyone all they want. The only common thing is shield power, and because he is a support main he won't address the problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Unreformed Clown,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IcTGdnVU,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-20T16:57:57.041+0000) > > That's because Janna doesn't have a stupid minigame like Singed. Stupid concept for a champ in general. > > "If you chase me, you die. I move faster than you and throw you behind me, so you are forced to chase me. If you do not deal with me, you cannot push because the minions in your spawn do not get to choose between chasing or not." > > > Janna is literally team dependant. She does well with coordinated teams, but poorly with retards. > > Janna just gets carried every match, but good Janna's can pull their weight. > > Janna isn't the problem though, until they make an item that counters shields similar to grievous wounds countering heals, she will be strong. > > That shithead in charge can nerf Janna, nerf Nunu, nerf Cho nerf everyone all they want. The only common thing is shield power, and because he is a support main he won't address the problem. If Singed's minigame is what you said, Janna's is a lot worse. "I'm Janna, you can't kill my carry because I have 4 defensive spells + items + summoners, but if you don't kill him your whole team dies hahaha."
Dasdi96 (NA)
: So, burst>dps, dps>tank, and tank>burst.
: Probably her high win rate that has been around for a pretty long time.
> [{quoted}](name=Holy Nocturne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IcTGdnVU,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-08-20T16:43:34.205+0000) > > Probably her high win rate that has been around for a pretty long time. The fun thing is that singed reached a lower win/pick/ban rate than janna after his buffs, but was immediately hotfixed.
koshkyra (NA)
: She has the lowest base stats in the game, one of the lowest value shields in the game, a mediocre heal ON HER ULTIMATE, and the lowest damage in the game, followed by only having cc that lasts a short time Tf are you talking about?
> [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IcTGdnVU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-20T16:36:32.187+0000) > > She has the lowest base stats in the game, one of the lowest value shields in the game, a mediocre heal ON HER ULTIMATE, and the lowest damage in the game, followed by only having cc that lasts a short time > > Tf are you talking about? win rate, pick rate and ban rate
Rioter Comments
: I love how people confuse ARURF & URF as the same thing.
Upvote, arurf is complete garbage, playing a dice game is more fun imo.
: Okay but could you actually give a gold cost?
> [{quoted}](name=Lord smilla,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-08-20T06:44:01.513+0000) > > Okay but could you actually give a gold cost? Done!
: add turn rate PLS
> [{quoted}](name=Ich heiße Jeff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gGqqTNxy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-20T02:53:22.288+0000) > > add turn rate PLS Yes, this will fix kiting immobile melee champions endlessly.
: That's because they have a stun or bash built into a melee, and have a gap closer to close the distance between them. Also many items to enhance the attack speed, and armor in the game to fucking slaughter ranged champions. Another thing, that wouldn't fix ADC, you gotta tweak the support items first. If anything you would be tweaking static shiv. The biggest offender for the marksman. Though I haven't played Dota 2 in a long time.
> [{quoted}](name=Executioner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gGqqTNxy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-20T02:49:47.576+0000) > > That's because they have a stun or bash built into a melee, and have a gap closer to close the distance between them. Also many items to enhance the attack speed, and armor in the game to fucking slaughter ranged champions. > > Another thing, that wouldn't fix ADC, you gotta tweak the support items first. > > If anything you would be tweaking static shiv. The biggest offender for the marksman. > > Though I haven't played Dota 2 in a long time. Shiv's passive should do half damage on ranged autos btw.
Engelin (NA)
: How do people lose with Yi in URF lol
Yi is good, but there are more OP champions like {{champion:114}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:238}}
Rioter Comments
: I would stop playing Marksman.
> [{quoted}](name=Executioner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2017-08-20T02:01:48.868+0000) > > I would stop playing Marksman. No need to, tanks, ap champions, ranged champions etc would still be vulnerable to adcs.
: id build this on fizz just because
> [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:55:43.480+0000) > > id build this on fizz just because Or we could get another version for ap assassins.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=magewick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:52:39.582+0000) > > Yeah lets take the one concept from pre-rework poppy that riot proved they were unable to balance and give it to every melee champion. I don't see how that could go wrong. They couldn't balance adcs for several years, they're still mandatory on every game. We need mechanics like this to fight broken with broken.
: > [{quoted}](name=TeemoXNidalee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:48:35.591+0000) > > The first thing I wrote is _**Melee only**_ at the top. My bad just looked at stats. That still doesn't respond to other parts and would cause additional issues with say Jayce. Would he be allowed to purchase this item because he can be melee?
> [{quoted}](name=A Real Pigeon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:50:48.316+0000) > > My bad just looked at stats. That still doesn't respond to other parts and would cause additional issues with say Jayce. Would he be allowed to purchase this item because he can be melee? The passive and active would only work while he is in melee form, if he uses the active in melee then swaps, the effect should end. Same for all other melee/ranged hybrids.
: Oh yeah, my bad I forgot that part. Since you are stacking lethality, if you added this into the game, that would be 72% evasion. I may as well just kill you with spells. This would be including all 4 lethalty items if we added this as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Executioner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:49:05.243+0000) > > Oh yeah, my bad I forgot that part. > > Since you are stacking lethality, if you added this into the game, that would be 72% evasion. I may as well just kill you with spells. > > This would be including all 4 lethalty items if we added this as well. Yeah, the counterplay would be melee autos or spells.
: This is a pretty awful idea. The %dodge chance will be almost as problematic if not more than crit chance RNG. RNG in this game isn't something that's fun to deal with. Being immune to outside effects is HUGE for this game. This would be a 5 second blackshield that on an assassin who is likely to 1-2 shot someone is going to remove a big weakness of theirs being CC. This item could also be used to easily troll your team again due to the active. The fact the item has no stated melee only specifications also means it will be absurd on ADCs who already build and benefit heavily from lethality and would skyrocket their success rate.
> [{quoted}](name=A Real Pigeon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:47:12.969+0000) > > This is a pretty awful idea. The %dodge chance will be almost as problematic if not more than crit chance RNG. RNG in this game isn't something that's fun to deal with. > > Being immune to outside effects is HUGE for this game. This would be a 5 second blackshield that on an assassin who is likely to 1-2 shot someone is going to remove a big weakness of theirs being CC. This item could also be used to easily troll your team again due to the active. > > The fact the item has no stated melee only specifications also means it will be absurd on ADCs who already build and benefit heavily from lethality and would skyrocket their success rate. The first thing I wrote is _**Melee only**_ at the top.
: Because it works like dodge, which they removed from the game. However dodge was all auto attacks. So they removed that part of the game. They wouldn't allow something like evasion to come back into the game. Also how much evasion would be in the game? You add that whats stopping from adding more evasion? Also you never put a % down.
> [{quoted}](name=Executioner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:45:52.372+0000) > > Because it works like dodge, which they removed from the game. However dodge was all auto attacks. So they removed that part of the game. > > They wouldn't allow something like evasion to come back into the game. Also how much evasion would be in the game? You add that whats stopping from adding more evasion? Also you never put a % down. The percentage would be equal to your lethality, if you have 25 lethality you get 25% chance to evade ranged autos.
: It was fine up till the passive, and activate. One reason is because they would fly to the back line and channel the ADC to a duel. 100% adc would die, unless the support can still heal the adc. Oh another reason is because they would never allow a chance to evade just ranged auto attacks. That item would straight up make playing adc a living hell.
> [{quoted}](name=Executioner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNeT9rRE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-20T01:41:46.466+0000) > > It was fine up till the passive, and activate. > > One reason is because they would fly to the back line and channel the ADC to a duel. 100% adc would die, unless the support can still heal the adc. > > Oh another reason is because they would never allow a chance to evade just ranged auto attacks. > > That item would straight up make playing adc a living hell. That's the intended purpose If we can have crit (rng) why we can't have evasion (rng)?
Glîtchy (NA)
: So Twitch is more op than Vayne?
Twitch has a better rengar ultimate as a basic ability on a much lower cooldown. Also twitch has 2x vayne's range.
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elin990 (EUW)
: How is 2 vs 1 at top lane fair? I'm really annoyed..
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: That's op af. Every body would build that, including the ranged champions you're complaining about
> [{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZWfggkR2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-18T23:39:59.532+0000) > > That's op af. Every body would build that, including the ranged champions you're complaining about That's why it's _melee only_
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: i think the reason wasnt just lots of op picks, it was also probably the brutal lack of certain picks. a lot of champions, mostly attack speed and generally AA dependant champions like fiora, twitch and yasuo were NEVER picked, legit their pickrate was below half of a single percent. i think what riot also tried to accomplish with the all random pick was to even out the Odds of which champions are played. i could be wrong, but i see it that way. theres at least 10 champions you legit not once would see in the entire urf weekend.
> [{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qr1pZTyE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-12T12:15:44.583+0000) > > i think the reason wasnt just lots of op picks, it was also probably the brutal lack of certain picks. a lot of champions, mostly attack speed and generally AA dependant champions like fiora, twitch and yasuo were NEVER picked, legit their pickrate was below half of a single percent. i think what riot also tried to accomplish with the all random pick was to even out the Odds of which champions are played. > > i could be wrong, but i see it that way. theres at least 10 champions you legit not once would see in the entire urf weekend. Fiora is god mode though, yasuo is because his Q/E don't scale with cdr (they don't decrease it for some reason while they do it for kindred who knows why).
: > [{quoted}](name=TeemoXNidalee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kwWFz5ZO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-11T11:42:50.304+0000) > > Old URF: Everyone picks the most OP champions - Matches are balanced > > ARURF: More often than not one team gets OP champions while the other gets garbage - Matches are a clear stomp ''matches are balanced'' except for those who don't want to pick the most OP champions and just want to pick a fun champion in which case you get curbstomped
> [{quoted}](name=hhaavviikk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kwWFz5ZO,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-08-12T06:54:16.286+0000) > > ''matches are balanced'' except for those who don't want to pick the most OP champions and just want to pick a fun champion in which case you get curbstomped In ARURF you can't even pick your fun champion haha, it's garbage for both ends.
Raoul (EUW)
: Could the damn Tryhards pls stay out of fun modes?
: All Random URF
Old URF: Everyone picks the most OP champions - Matches are balanced ARURF: More often than not one team gets OP champions while the other gets garbage - Matches are a clear stomp
: Nasus op or Teemo UP?
Defense items are more cost effective than damage until you get penetration. If the champion getting defense items also has a lot of innate damage (nasus Q) that they can easily apply (Teemo can't kite nasus) then they're going to win the 1v1 unless extremely behind. Also nasus is like one of the best 1v1 champions mid game.
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: New item ideas: Anti-Vayne shield & Anti-Riven helm
This should be relevant once more given the pbe vayne changes.
: I'm Stuck Losing and I don't know why ;-;
Pick Janna and stand back spamming tornado and shields, impossible to go wrong, if you lose with this next level strategy it's entirely your team's fault.
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: I think people would pay you to get you to stop trying to force feed newspapers, rather than to buy a copy. You couldn't even give them out for free or even if it came with a winning lottery ticket.
> [{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbNnN0Hf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-06T19:53:31.645+0000) > > I think people would pay you to get you to stop trying to force feed newspapers, rather than to buy a copy. You couldn't even give them out for free or even if it came with a winning lottery ticket. The 1000th one will come with a lottery ticket, but don't tell anyone, it's supposed to be a surprise!
: I'll assist in your lack of ability to understand. Four word post. One time: "Janna I hate Janna" Also, sell your newspaper to someone who will buy it.
> [{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbNnN0Hf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-06T19:50:04.291+0000) > > I'll assist in your lack of ability to understand. Four word post. One time: > > "Janna > > I hate Janna" > > Also, sell your newspaper to someone who will buy it. I'm not selling, I'm giving them for free
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: Daily reminders as to why we even allow spammy shitposting. You literally need one post. You don't need to shove your newspaper into someone's face then keep forcing them to eat your newspapers.
> [{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4xtEA1Fu,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-05T19:34:21.486+0000) > > Daily reminders as to why we even allow spammy shitposting. You literally need one post. You don't need to shove your newspaper into someone's face then keep forcing them to eat your newspapers. It's more like giving someone the same newspaper every day until they eat it.
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