: Upcoming Kindred changes, looking for feedback!
Long time Kindred main here as well, and the only thing I don't really understand is the mark system now. Although it is pretty good, it still doesn't even come close to fitting the theme of the champion. So far you guys have wasted 2 perfectly good opportunities to give Kindred a proper passive, Zed's new passive and Rengar's new passive. Both of their passives would fit this ability rework as well as the theme of the champion far better than Zed or Rengar. They are the Eternal Hunters, not the Infinite Attack Rangers. If there is one thing I would reconsider it would be that, give scaling attack range on an ability, like E or W since it's something that wouldn't have much effect until the mid/late game anyways. You're making it far more complicated than it needed to be with .5% here and there.
Ralanr (NA)
: I was kinda hoping for a female yordle, but I don't mind. Sweet! Another mounted champion!
> [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=iPEilYVk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-21T17:32:13.312+0000) > > I was kinda hoping for a female yordle, but I don't mind. > > Sweet! Another mounted champion! Isn't Tristana a female Yordle? Or did you mean like another female Yordle? I genuinely don't know lol.
: what if he is from gnars people since we dont really know where gnar came from completely
> [{quoted}](name=Treeofwar,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wRLMztxh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-21T20:25:58.966+0000) > > what if he is from gnars people since we dont really know where gnar came from completely The only way it makes sense to look that close to Gnar is if they're from the same clan or related somehow. But he really does look like Gnar in Rengar cosplay.
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: People who like DQ are a very small minority.
They should have made solo queue pure solo queue and replaced 3's and 5's with dynamic. I still believe both queues would be full of players and fun for everyone.
Nojerry (NA)
: I had a legit essay on this question, then my fucking internet froze.
> [{quoted}](name=Nojerry,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Gt6yBO0d,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-05-21T22:14:09.146+0000) > > I had a legit essay on this question, then my fucking internet froze. It's all good. I ended up maining her for a majority of the season so far, but since she went to like Ezreal/Lucian status, I haven't been playing her as much. I'll consider picking her back up when they change her kit in 6.11, because I think it'll make her really strong again.
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: 2 things I want to say regarding the recent changes. 1. Riot nerfed a load of champions because of the guinso + devourer combo on them, THEN you went onto delete devourer + nerf guinso to the ground while leaving the previously nerfed champions in the same situation. I think this patch may of been a little under-planned. 2. The reason Riot removed devourer was supposedly because of the AFK farming by devourer junglers, this may be the case for BAD junglers but I'm sure in platinum+ elo this hardly ever happened. Why? They get the most stacks from dragon + easiest stacks from scuttler, making these highly contested = More fighting/ more involvement in the game rather than just AFK farming. I think the easiest solution would be to bring back devourer then go from there. You changed the whole jungle + dragons + devourer all at once without testing them 1 by 1. Now that dragons are different, these devourer junglers would be contesting it even more and having even more involvement in the game. This would counter your view of them just "afk farming".
> [{quoted}](name=Vírtuosó,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j6Nu4Ljt,comment-id=00010015,timestamp=2016-05-09T14:05:28.646+0000) > > 2 things I want to say regarding the recent changes. > > 1. Riot nerfed a load of champions because of the guinso + devourer combo on them, THEN you went onto delete devourer + nerf guinso to the ground while leaving the previously nerfed champions in the same situation. I think this patch may of been a little under-planned. > > 2. The reason Riot removed devourer was supposedly because of the AFK farming by devourer junglers, this may be the case for BAD junglers but I'm sure in platinum+ elo this hardly ever happened. Why? They get the most stacks from dragon + easiest stacks from scuttler, making these highly contested = More fighting/ more involvement in the game rather than just AFK farming. I think the easiest solution would be to bring back devourer then go from there. You changed the whole jungle + dragons + devourer all at once without testing them 1 by 1. Now that dragons are different, these devourer junglers would be contesting it even more and having even more involvement in the game. This would counter your view of them just "afk farming". I agree with this. I think they should have changed the dragons and then gone on to see how Devourer champions were fairing as far as objective control/involvement in the game. If the problem remained, then change the item around.
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ƒoes (NA)
: I would just like to point out how incredibly well Kindred was designed
I've been maining Kindred from early Season 6 on and I still personally believe that Ekko is one of the best designed champs all around since I've played over the past year. His voiceover is amazing as well; but I do enjoy Kindred!
: The indefinite banning of Tyler1
The fact he streams is why he gets special treatment. Riot documents all cases of toxicity, so the normal people who don't stream don't get banned as often. Also since he plays in high elo, he tends to get banned much faster since people know it's him and just report him constantly. This instant ban status is catering to the high elo players who Riot talks to regularly.
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Fritterz (NA)
: Yup, Sions ult is way too easy to dodge.
: Let's say you have the ability to delete 5 champions of your choice....
{{champion:114}} You must leave lane to "play safe" {{champion:143}} Her snare hitboxes are all fucked up {{champion:90}} Cause Malzahar is a skilless champion {{champion:18}} Is just annoying, and is on {{champion:55}} level for me {{champion:43}} You can't gank Karma, you can't damage Karma, you can't catch Karma, and she's 100% safe for 25 minutes with minimal effort.
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trist521 (NA)
: Thin computer that can play league?
: you mean you didn't notice Riot pulls this crap all the time?
> [{quoted}](name=Legendary Albert,realm=EUNE,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=M5xw0HjL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-06T13:28:30.258+0000) > > you mean you didn't notice Riot pulls this crap all the time? I just don't get why they wouldn't give them who they asked for, and also not put any effort in to them. It also doesn't help the fact that Easyhoon didn't even get a skin.
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: So what was the reasoning behind giving Renekton the SKT skin?
The players choose what champions they want as skins. It's why everybody is making a big fuss over Sivir, because Bang wanted Kalista. I felt the same way last season when SSW won and PawN picked Talon instead of Jayce, which was one of his most played champions and his pocket pick for Worlds. But they picked Talon because he first 1v1'd Faker's Zed on Talon.. Sivir is a shit champ, and most the skins look like complete ass.
: elo hell deosnt exist.... im not stuck in silver cause my teamates sucks (they do) but so do i, if i was good enough to climb, i would climb, as simple as that, and its like that for everyone.....
> [{quoted}](name=nEKKOpora,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=ejbEZdg6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-03-23T20:43:42.912+0000) > > elo hell deosnt exist.... im not stuck in silver cause my teamates sucks (they do) but so do i, if i was good enough to climb, i would climb, as simple as that, and its like that for everyone..... Sometimes it's about what you're playing that holds you back. I had to find my niche champions to get out of Silver, but I was "stuck" in Silver all last season after climbing from Bronze.
: Grading system all messed up
I believe grades are valued over all of your performance, not just scoreline. You also have to consider the fact Ezreal is played very often, so your overall performance is going to be based off other people who did just as well, placed more than 1 ward, got more towers, dealt more damage, assisted in more neutral objectives, etc. I've had multiple games where I carried and didn't get an S, even on champs not often played like Jayce.
Miror B (NA)
: See, I'd like to think of this a bit differently. Huma sold his contract because they thought they could tame rudy's solo-queue hyper-aggressive playstyle and thought he had a higher ceiling than santorin. While I don't think that is going to be the case (as much like rush in his rookie year, rudy has made a bunch of huge mistakes), the LCS is ultimately a place in which only the best talent survives. If Santorin really wants to show them up, he should try to become as good as he possibly can and try to join a team that desperately needs a jg (would say TSM, but they need a lot of things right now).
> [{quoted}](name=Mye,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ZiBMwifR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-22T13:40:26.105+0000) > > See, I'd like to think of this a bit differently. Huma sold his contract because they thought they could tame rudy's solo-queue hyper-aggressive playstyle and thought he had a higher ceiling than santorin. While I don't think that is going to be the case (as much like rush in his rookie year, rudy has made a bunch of huge mistakes), the LCS is ultimately a place in which only the best talent survives. If Santorin really wants to show them up, he should try to become as good as he possibly can and try to join a team that desperately needs a jg (would say TSM, but they need a lot of things right now). If you watch him play solo queue, he plays pretty aggressive on champs like Evelynn. Yeh, Solo Queue is very different than an extremely well put together game plan, but he has the ability to do it. He just plays professionally very timid and reactive. His problem on TSM was the fact that Dyrus was perma tilted from being camped all the time. I think the gameplan around TSM in general is pretty terrible, since they constantly play defensive teams. Dyrus and even Hauntzer had/have the skill to play hyper carries, Bjergsen has the same ability to do so, yet so many games you see them playing tanks and losing. I think had Dyrus not been forced to play shit he didn't really want to, he would have had a better last season. The games he played Olaf, it showed he had the potential to absolutely destroy, and that even drew Olaf bans from CLG in the Summer Split finals until game 3 I believe.
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Anraton (EUW)
: Well "being sold" ... isn't without his permission I guess .. after all he is noones property.
> [{quoted}](name=Anraton,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ZiBMwifR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-22T12:17:54.279+0000) > > Well "being sold" ... isn't without his permission I guess .. after all he is noones property. If you're under contract, you don't have as much as a say as you would discretion. That's the entire point of contracts to begin with.
: TSM: LEGENDS - Season 2 Episode 9 - Drinking Battery Acid
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WolfBones (EUW)
: Guardian of the Sands Rek'Sai
This would be an auto buy.
: Smurf players offending low level players. Please stop, we're new.
I saw "Silver" and "Smurf" and started laughing. He's going back to play where he can actually stomp somebody, because let's be real, he's Silver.
: I like the post, a lot of useful info here. I would add that you should try (not forcing it but try) to not pick into a counterpick so you are not starting off at a potential disadvantage because if they are skilled with that chap, then you might have a significantly harder time.
> [{quoted}](name=JavelinJoe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XWb2JZHc,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-14T19:15:03.358+0000) > > I like the post, a lot of useful info here. I would add that you should try (not forcing it but try) to not pick into a counterpick so you are not starting off at a potential disadvantage because if they are skilled with that chap, then you might have a significantly harder time. I've found in Bronze and Silver that knowing my champion well usually beats any counter unless it's an even skill match up. But maining a champion should give you an understanding of what you should and shouldn't do vs champions you struggle in lane vs.
: Tips for a bronze 3
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XWb2JZHc-are-you-stuck-in-bronzesilver-and-want-to-climb-to-silvergold-heres-what-i-did-to-get-to-gold I wrote this awhile back. These tips are what I did to get from where you are to where I am now. I am only Gold 3, but I don't play as much anymore unless I am playing with friends. Been playing a year and a half and went from Bronze 4 to Gold 3 and could probably push Platinum if I still played as much as before. Lots of season left, aim for Silver though. Not just Silver, but aim for Silver 2-3 because that, I believe, shows you're established in the rank and not hovering on Bronze and Silver 5. Since I am hovering in Gold 3 playing casually, I think I have established myself to the point where I am good enough to play in Gold, and with more practice and fundamentals I could press for Platinum.
Brascus (NA)
: I'm kind of starting to feel very indifferent about winning or losing
It's not just you. I don't like losing because I am competitive, but at the same time, I just don't really care as much this season. It's become very lackluster after I hit Gold. When I started playing, that's all I really wanted to get to. I'm sitting in Gold 3 now, and have been for the past 2 weeks because I just don't care to play as much anymore. I'm not drawn to playing anymore as much as I was before, so I find myself playing other games more often. I'm sure I could continue to climb up and maybe even hit Platinum, but for the most part, the effort isn't worth the time.
Cabigon (NA)
: None of Aurelion Sol's abilities took me an hour to read/understand
I'm interested to see how he actually plays. He definitely looks like a jungler to me with that passive, unless it doesn't hit jungle camps. I'm going to say he will have the fastest jungle clear in the game, and some pretty sweet ganks. He looks insanely strong though.
: PSA: The jungler is not immune to blame
All valid points and true. Funny I made a topic like this the other week and most laners disagreed. I just found it interesting how most junglers can accept the blame. I just wish people understood that jungling is more than just farming and ganking, which I believe you do.
DJ Sona (EUW)
: Aurelion Sol, a dragon who destroys stars with his bare hands
: Aurelion Sol just smashed the sun in his hands.
Leaked Kit: True % health damage, low mana costs, high base values, good scalings, will be built full tank and 1 shot people. Will continue to be nerfed until the next pre-season. Say hello to Azir while you're there Aurelion.
shyv (NA)
: i main shyvana and i build devourer every game so im basically afk for 15 mins lmao
> [{quoted}](name=trying too hard,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=000400010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T20:07:00.352+0000) > > i main shyvana and i build devourer every game so im basically afk for 15 mins lmao I main Kindred and usually play her Devourer and can gank early and still hit Sated Devourer before 16 minutes every game. Ganking early is beneficial because I can get Devourer like minute 6-7.
: I've finally escaped the cold clothes of Gold I
: Bug of “Heartseeker Orianna”
Yeh, I've noticed this too on TPA. I had 5 indicators around me at once at the end of the game, and only really noticed it heading to another lane. I usually don't look at my champion much when I play outside of the start of the game, so it seemed weird to me and I assumed it was a 1 time thing.
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: All of these are true. Junglers are flamed some times, but that doesn't mean we're the perfect pinnacle of punctuality, privileges, and perfection.
> [{quoted}](name=Lastboss42,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T17:52:38.770+0000) > > All of these are true. Junglers are flamed some times, but that doesn't mean we're the perfect pinnacle of punctuality, privileges, and perfection. Absolutely not, mistakes are made on a game to game basis, and the games you play well are the games that you can do extremely well in. The post wasn't about saying Jungle is the pinnacle of the game as much to say that we have a lot of responsibilities that we NEED to focus on every single game and babying your lane isn't always a priority.
: Ok, you make fair points and I agree, as a Jungler its incredibly frustrating to get counter-jungled and get set back, specially when you are noob at Jungle to begin with. I still think Support is harder though, when I rarely Jungle I pick an aggressive ganker and just gank non-stop all game and feed all my lanes and then sit back and watch them carry me. It actually works the majority of the time and there is almost never a downside to me not being strong later in the game. As a Support though I can never just sit back and watch because even a 20/1 ADC can be killed by the other ADC in a 1v1 if they get a lucky crit. I always need to be watching the Front line and the Back line, I need to make a call on whether I aid the engage or save my abilities for the disengage. Junglers don't really have this decision, they go in and hope their team follows up, the same as any other role. I need to have the area warded and be watching for flanks during all this because ultimately my job is to protect the carries, so in the middle of a Teamfight there is a lot going on for a good Support. Thats why I personally think Support is harder, you have to be paying attention to a lot more thing than any other role.
> [{quoted}](name=Stephenizgod,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2016-03-01T17:56:11.023+0000) > > Ok, you make fair points and I agree, as a Jungler its incredibly frustrating to get counter-jungled and get set back, specially when you are noob at Jungle to begin with. I still think Support is harder though, when I rarely Jungle I pick an aggressive ganker and just gank non-stop all game and feed all my lanes and then sit back and watch them carry me. It actually works the majority of the time and there is almost never a downside to me not being strong later in the game. As a Support though I can never just sit back and watch because even a 20/1 ADC can be killed by the other ADC in a 1v1 if they get a lucky crit. I always need to be watching the Front line and the Back line, I need to make a call on whether I aid the engage or save my abilities for the disengage. Junglers don't really have this decision, they go in and hope their team follows up, the same as any other role. I need to have the area warded and be watching for flanks during all this because ultimately my job is to protect the carries, so in the middle of a Teamfight there is a lot going on for a good Support. > > Thats why I personally think Support is harder, you have to be paying attention to a lot more thing than any other role. Those are valid points, but to an extent the jungler has the same duties. Obviously this depends on the champion, where my mains all serve different purposes. This post is more to the tune of people losing lane before I can even become useful for ganks, as all my champions are good level 3 gankers. If I am starting my second buff and you already died, it's not now on me to camp you because I have to also assist people who aren't making poor decisions. Especially if mid or bot ganks are "free". A laner getting themselves behind, then continuing to dig a deeper ditch is not going to be fixed by me ganking constantly. If I am hovering top every time their laner comes back, this leaves the rest of my jungle and map open for their jungler. So me trying to fix your mistake is losing the other 2 lanes, dragon, buffs, and warding for everybody else, which is not how the game works. I do agree that support is a very important role, and I've always told myself if I ever stopped jungling I would main support because of how impactful they can be in lane and out of lane.
: Where is my AP marksman ?
> [{quoted}](name=LordOfTheLeague,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5RWpBBko,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-02-29T19:43:47.118+0000) > > Where is my AP marksman ? {{champion:82}}
: i don't agree that jungle is the hardest role in the game, why u think that jungle is harder than any other role? because u have to choose route? , because u have to choose which lane to gank? because u have to think when u can counterjungle when not? because u should think about counter gank or be counter ganked? it's not easy but other roles also should keep many stuff in mind and making decisions, so it's just a bullshit about hardest role
> [{quoted}](name=otakuSeries3000,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2016-03-01T11:28:46.681+0000) > > i don't agree that jungle is the hardest role in the game, why u think that jungle is harder than any other role? because u have to choose route? , because u have to choose which lane to gank? because u have to think when u can counterjungle when not? because u should think about counter gank or be counter ganked? > it's not easy but other roles also should keep many stuff in mind and making decisions, so it's just a bullshit about hardest role You have the most responsibilities, because the mid laner doesn't take dragon, scuttles, rift, or have to move all over the map to farm, babysit lanes that aren't winning, counter jungle when you can't counter gank, gank when they're across the map, warding deep in their jungle, denying vision in your own jungle, keeping buffs for laners and making sure to catch them on spawn, is this lane a lost cause? Do I focus another lane to snowball?, etc. On top of normal things apart of the game like what items to build next to get the most from your gold. If you'd read anything on this post, you probably would have been able to answer your own questions.
: I think top lane is actually harder than mid, sup, and adc. Top lane is SO snowbally that the entire lane often depends on the first trade. The only thing that ever caused top lane not to be a snowball is double jungling, but rito nerfed that for some reason.
> [{quoted}](name=NerdPounder,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-03-01T06:59:32.911+0000) > > I think top lane is actually harder than mid, sup, and adc. Top lane is SO snowbally that the entire lane often depends on the first trade. The only thing that ever caused top lane not to be a snowball is double jungling, but rito nerfed that for some reason. Which is very true, but you're still focusing on you though. The entire point of me saying Jungle is the hardest role is because if you're worrying about your trades, I also have to worry about your trades and decision making. If you make a bad trade, then I see you don't get back to lane and play stupid, I'll be there as soon as I can.
: lux is an immobile mage with no escapes she is really easy to gank right? RIGHT??
> [{quoted}](name=Comrade Napoleon,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2016-03-01T06:25:53.457+0000) > > lux is an immobile mage with no escapes she is really easy to gank right? RIGHT?? She has a lot of self peel, but she's definitely gankable.
shyv (NA)
: the thing is. nasus and anivia don't die lol
> [{quoted}](name=trying too hard,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T05:02:45.271+0000) > > the thing is. nasus and anivia don't die lol Honestly, I've never had an issue with Anivia or Nasus playing Kindred at least. I usually camp these lanes anyways because of how immobile they both are. But since both champions ramp up towards mid-late game and become unstoppable, I try shutting it down before anything gets out of hand.
: Yea Bard, Alistar, and Thresh are extremely strong Supports but the good news with them is that if they are bad at them there is a lot to exploit. At least a bad Nami or Soraka can heal and peel without much thought or mechanical skill required. If Support is not the hardest role, it would definitely be Jungler though so your post is still correct, their job is much harder and sometimes more important than Top or Mid. The Jungler can make an impact in all lanes and a good one controls all the vital objectives.
> [{quoted}](name=Stephenizgod,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zNw2dFWL,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-02-29T21:19:20.462+0000) > > Yea Bard, Alistar, and Thresh are extremely strong Supports but the good news with them is that if they are bad at them there is a lot to exploit. At least a bad Nami or Soraka can heal and peel without much thought or mechanical skill required. > > If Support is not the hardest role, it would definitely be Jungler though so your post is still correct, their job is much harder and sometimes more important than Top or Mid. The Jungler can make an impact in all lanes and a good one controls all the vital objectives. With what you said, playing something like Janna doesn't necessarily put a ton of pressure on you because you have many tools to get away and disengage. Any jungler you play has the same responsibilities and there is no forgiveness for making mistakes.
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