: ok English isn't my main language , wtf is Hepta? 8 or 9 ?
hepta - 7 octa - 8 non - 9 and for the record i believe these actually come from latin. edit, also apparently from greek and sanskrit. English is weird like that,
: Are they actually against homosexuality???
> [{quoted}](name=Ferrinova,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6z34EdE0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:03:39.319+0000) > > Are they actually against homosexuality??? The ban has nothing to do with Neeko.
: Is Riot seriously going to let China shape how they create their game?
Yeah the gay character wasnt brought up at all.
Xzq (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Uvv3OrFo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-15T12:28:47.361+0000) > > Seriously. Alistar, too. People are defending his stupid new animations because of his proportions but it's just a product of the outdated model. Doesn't fit with the modern visuals. Braum doesn't look like this. Exactly , they should focus on VGU’s instead of making new champions imo bcs A VGU is almost like getting a new champ.
> [{quoted}](name=Xzq,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Uvv3OrFo,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T12:36:05.600+0000) > > Exactly , they should focus on VGU’s instead of making new champions imo bcs A VGU is almost like getting a new champ. Theyre already doing that.
: High base damage, immediate access to full benefits from her utility abilities. Her sleep cc has no duration scaling between ranks, only the slow scales (which is the least important part of the 2.25 second CC) and the damage. Really nearly all of her abilities get full benefit and range of effect EXCEPT for damage, which is already high from base. Most other champions that have crowd control or high base damage have to give up scaling utility or other aspects to build themselves up, Zoe just has access to nearly all of it right away.
Front loaded means it's instataneous with no delay, her Q has a wind up her w is damage over time and her is delayed. Literally nothing about her is front loaded.
: Or {{summoner:13}}
> [{quoted}](name=7thHeaven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EHTydQdO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-15T04:17:15.534+0000) > > Or {{summoner:13}} Both, :3
Krofinn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EHTydQdO,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:46:21.767+0000) > > Lost Chapter ftw. Lux or Ziggs?
> [{quoted}](name=Krofinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EHTydQdO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-15T04:06:36.001+0000) > > Lux or Ziggs? Lux.
: Id probally start on a contient that isnt Valoran.
: It takes decades for river flow to return nutrients to dried soil. Israel is still working on it over the last 60 years. I already mentioned maybe grabbing some of the borderlands. I just don’t see much use in barren deserts with a few oasises. No lumber. No coal. No tech. No particularly affluent trade lines. Just a bunch of magic yahoos. I may be able to bring forth Demacian steel against them. But why would I bother?
Yeah but we're talking about a god powered super river.
: If one were to conquer Runeterra, where should one start? Asking for a friend.
Piltover is the absolute best place to conquer because they control the Sun Gate which is essentially Runeterra's Panama Canal. The reason they remain neutral is because of how insanely profitable their location is. You take control of that, you disable a shit ton of trading, and cripple a large part of the Shurima and Valoran continents. This makes proceeding with your campaign much easier.
: > [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yHVyyrjz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-12T21:36:21.767+0000) > > [My favorite was definitely Veigar's new story!](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/veigar-color-story/) Aw shucks, you're pretty good at this flattery business :P
I would love for a Lulu/Veigar interaction story line inspired by Pinkie and the Brain where Lulu is trying to help him with evil stuff, but she does it via puppies and flowers and rainbows, but townsfolk still take more notice to her evil.
Elinz (NA)
: Waitttt Neeko's Q is actually not that powerful at all xD and it's hard to land 1 of the shots more or less 2 or 3 I recommend if anything Nerf her ult damage but not a lot cuz it is one o her main sourses of damage, and if you do anything negative to the q you should buff it somehow like widen the circle width or make it pop faster or increase the case range etc... :|
let alone is the phrase your looking for, not more or less.
y0r1ck (NA)
: So then you can just ban none. I still don't see the issue with asking.
And I equally dont see whats wrong with asking them ban someone for you. This can go both ways for as long as you want.
wolvius (EUW)
: I love it when you don't die at all for like the first 15 minutes, then you die 3 times in the next three minutes.
> [{quoted}](name=wolvius,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EHTydQdO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-14T21:31:41.833+0000) > > I love it when you don't die at all for like the first 15 minutes, then you die 3 times in the next three minutes. I know this feel 100%
: Fix Neeko's "On the Way" ping
The minimap one should be kept as a feature tbh. Interface screw is a fun mechanic.
: Because you cannot know If they don't want to ban something else theirself and just hasn't decided. The one who doesn't want to ban anything could just ask "Anyone wanna my ban?" but I suppose that makes too much sense to someone who thinks leaving seemingly uncooperative guy is sign of uncooperativity.
Yeah 90% of the time(arbitrary number) noone will answer. So no it doesn't make 'too much' sense.
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:40:35.033+0000) > > What exactly makes you think she should look animal like? > > The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals, they were spirits that could change shape at will, by your own logic of her being closer to them than to humans she shouldn't look like a lizard either. The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals. Logically if the combination of a human and vastayashei rei would be vastaya. The human features are from the human and the other ones are from...
The animals who are also part of the equation. Since she is closest to the Vasthayshai'rei, it makes sense she would appear to be a mix rather than just humanoid lizards
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rsXYf055,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:56:21.929+0000) > > Her old auto attack animation is the same length as her current Q though. Did her old autos have range too?
No, but her E had similar range to her new Q.
: > [{quoted}](name=Atgo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-12-14T13:13:44.047+0000) > > Neeko isnt a Vastayashai'rei, thats an offcial answer from Riot: > > She is a vastaya, she just has less human blood. > > Her human appearence was also explained, though i would still like her to be more animal-like: > > Source: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/12/ask-riot-neeko-edition/ Still even if she isn't pure shei rei but is way closer then the others she should look substantially different from the normal vastaya. Human with some animal limb.
What exactly makes you think she should look animal like? The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals, they were spirits that could change shape at will, by your own logic of her being closer to them than to humans she shouldn't look like a lizard either. The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals.
: Unless you just mean the game is ridiculously short... sometimes you literally need to commit suicide to shop. Even if you can't set up to get executed by a turret and are going to give a big shutdown, it can *still* be worth it because your own gold in inventory isn't helping your team until it becomes items.
> [{quoted}](name=Partholonian,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EHTydQdO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:30:57.709+0000) > > Unless you just mean the game is ridiculously short... sometimes you literally need to commit suicide to shop. Even if you can't set up to get executed by a turret and are going to give a big shutdown, it can *still* be worth it because your own gold in inventory isn't helping your team until it becomes items. I had 10000 gold, and i never died once, because Lost Chapter made it so I never ran out of mana and the strength of my shield allowed me to constantly stay alive while the AOE let me also repeatedly protect allies. It was just a good game. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2932035473?tab=overview
: > [{quoted}](name=Around999People,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhJujGv0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:10:43.921+0000) > > If someone doesn't want to ban a champ they should ask the team or ban counters to their teams champs. Anytime someone actually picks none I can't help but just assume they're going to troll somehow because they're not trying to improve their chances of winning by banning their counter yeah.. this pissed me off to no end... if i see someone ban none without even ASKING if i would like another champ banned i sometimes just dodge myself because i dont want to play with a players that insistent on _refusing_ to work as a team. this is a TEAM game.. i can 100% guarantee you that ONE of the other four players would LOVE to have a 2nd ban option u can ban for them. you are being an ass if u choose "none".
why dont you just ask them to ban someone? Not offering their ban to you isnt refusing to work as a team. Leaving because you don't like someones actions actually is.
Rioter Comments
: 2018 Lore Tournament - 14th December: Then, Teeth vs Frozen Hearts
This... This isn't fair. Pykes tale was creepy and fucked up. Nunus is adorable. This isn't fair. It's not fair. Why are you making me choose?
: > [{quoted}](name=Raoul,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qgI4LkqJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-14T10:11:13.474+0000) > > When did RIOT ever dare to actually put an unattractive humanoid woman in the game? Never... Dunno bout you but I wouldn't exactly call this {{champion:429}} attractive.
Ghostly warrior princess bent on vengeance is pretty hot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:34:34.358+0000) > > You should know that Neekos current form is canonically not her original appearance, but rather the appearance she likes. > > Furthermore, Rengar and Wukong actually have more human forms, they're just more comfortable In the bestial forms, and even then they would have great trouble transforming. Do they ¿
Yeah, similarly Rakan and Xayah can go full bird form, and Ahri can become an actual ninetailed Fox. All Vastaya have a more human like form and a more bestial form. Which form they assume is either a matter of preference or depends on their own ability to change. Yes Rengar has a theoretical more humanlike form, but he doesn't seem to care enough to try to access it even if his tribe is still 'flexible' enough to do so. Hell he might not even know _how_ to go about it.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: Why am I not surprised. Much easier to remove something than fix it for a small indie company. :(
Especially when removing is deleting a line of code, while fixing it involves flying a person cross country for the sake of changing a single voice line.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jinxsterr,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iEBklaWn,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:49:13.484+0000) > > Oh yeah I forgot it's 2018 , when people cherry pick information to suit their comfort level while covering their eyes and shoving their fingers in their ears while screaming "LA LA LA LA LA IT'S NOT TRUE LA LA LA LA" . My bad. I think he was just implying that outlet isn't the best for facts.
> [{quoted}](name=Super Sandmanne,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iEBklaWn,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T18:00:48.970+0000) > > I think he was just implying that outlet isn't the best for facts. Yeah there are no major news sources in the US that are good for facts.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: Things your game cannot have in China
: > [{quoted}](name=VolatileAkali,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rsXYf055,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-12-14T07:53:47.600+0000) > > Her restealth time is the same as before, her only problem is her tower diving mechanic. I don't mind them not reverting past nerfs, just remove the mechanic that she can be untargetable from turrets. She used to require AA from melee to heal from shroud which allowed a lot of champs to trade with her during shroud that no longer can
Her old auto attack animation is the same length as her current Q though.
: Panty shots? Where?
> [{quoted}](name=MF is my Waifu,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NyXHmKA8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-14T13:26:04.897+0000) > > Panty shots? Where? Star Guardians.
: > "There is very, very little human blood in Neeko’s lineage." - Riot FauxShizzle on Ask Riot: Neeko Edition Yet Looks like an actual little human girl with a tail, while Vastaya like Rengar, Nami and Wukong exist
Her current form is not her original form, it's just her preference.
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T18:51:14.430+0000) > > She looks exactly the same as rakan and xayah and thay are supposed to be miles away from Neeko. > And Idk about the looks of Rengar since he is a vastaya but looks more animal like easy explanation they just pushed it under the rug and called him the same as Rakan and Xayah. And about wuk he might have outdated looks. > Plus she just looks like a generic girl while she is supposed to be something way way way different then the basic league girl. Wasn't it stated that Neeko, Rakkan and Xayah take on forms based on their spiritual energy, meaning if Rakkan was depressed or something how he looked would change? I don't think it matters so much where they are location wise.
Yes kind of, in addition all Vastaya have both human and animal forms. Though most just stick to one form.
: > [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000004,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:54:11.972+0000) > > {{champion:518}} looks nothing like {{champion:498}} and {{champion:497}} idk where ur getting that idea I can't tell if you are joking or not.
Well beyond human face there are no similarities.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2018-12-14T00:01:47.789+0000) > > Vastaya come in different varieties. Some human looking, others animal looking. The story about them addresses that. True but the vastayashei rei are the magical beings them selves. Vastaya are the result of crossbreeding between humans and vastayashei rei .
Vastaya are the product of Humans and Animals mixing catalysed by the Vasthayshai'rei, Neeko is closer to the shape shifter spirits because the animal her tribe mixed with was itself a shape shifter which allows them to freely change their forms.
: The animal characteristics come from the vastayasha'rei, not the humans. So it also makes sense that if she is more closely related to the vastayasha'rai than the vastaya, then she should be more animalistic.
No the Vastaya are explicitly a mixture of Human and Animals with the mixture being catalysed by the Vasthayshai'rei, who's shapeshifting allows for the merger. All Vastayan champs have human like forms and beast like forms. Ahri can become full on Fox, Xayah and Rakan can become birds, Wukong and Rengar could become more human. The reason they don't is A. They prefer their current forms, and B. Transforming freely is much harder for their types of Vastaya.
: > [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T22:43:06.077+0000) > > She likes to think that she's vastayasha'rei, but she isn't, not completely. Her tribe is a direct descendant, yes, but they're distinctly part human and part animal, like all vastaya. The vastayasha'rei were complete shapeshifters; the chameleon Oovi-Kat are just closest to them because the easy shapeshifting adaptationally suits their chameleon nature. Even then, Neeko's shapeshifting is more like illusions, and not true shapeshifting like the original vastayasha'rei. > > In fact it's been said by Riot that all vastaya have some shapeshifting capability; for example, Rakan can change his feather cloak to look different (as implied in many of his lines regarding his cloak). The farther vastaya tribes are descended from the vastayasha'rei, the harder it is for them to shapeshift so fluidly. > > Point being: it makes complete sense for Neeko to be a part-human hybrid, like she is. It's completely subjective whether she "should have been" more lizard-like or not. Vastaya champions can be anywhere on the scale from Ahri (mostly human) to Rengar (mostly animal), and it would make perfect sense. > > And as for Neeko, I do think she captures the feel of a cute chameleon really well, even if she is more human than chameleon. Hell, she's the first mortal humanoid champion to have natural colorful hair since Sona, and unlike Sona, her colorful hair is completely explainable (although Sona will probably get a lore update with the new Demacian champion so maybe we'll know then why her hair is blue). How they are part human when they NEVER came in contact with humans....
No, it's official lore. If you listen to her voice lines towards Ivern you'd know her tribe at one point lived in Ionia.
: I personally think Neeko should look like this.
You should know that Neekos current form is canonically not her original appearance, but rather the appearance she likes. Furthermore, Rengar and Wukong actually have more human forms, they're just more comfortable In the bestial forms, and even then they would have great trouble transforming.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 12
What are the odds of a full scale Yi update? He''s not terrible design-wise but his feast or famine is a massive thing, kinda like old Kat. Also, could we see Kat and Lux's curves? Theyre my mains so im interested. :)
: Any thoughts on Yorick? According to lolalytics, Yorick in high elo currently boasts a 48% winrate and a 0.9% pickrate (https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Yorick/). Any plans on reverting the previous ghoul dmg nerf and tower aggro nerf?
Last time i heard someone talk about Yorick his actual stats were much higher than external sites showed.
: I assumed he was dabbing...
I figured he was doing like, a finger based handstand, just for maximum impracticality.
Anìmê (NA)
: Guess My Most Hated Champion...
I assume Miss Fortune for you? She can outrun both Diana and Leonas engage because of strut and her E fucks Zyra over.
: > [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hYcxLmMn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T05:08:43.786+0000) > > Chances are Riot is not sure either - they are probably leaving it intentionally unknown so there is room to expand later. > > This is pretty standard for worldbuilding, only as much as is needed is revealed, even if there is a rough outline the writers use for consistency. Oh, I know. I _really know_. But we're not saying yet - not when there are three enormous continents to deal with at the moment. It'll be a big deal when we scroll the map a bit more.
And I sincerely hope Lux and Ezreal will be a part of this. Also Kat. Oohh ohhh you guys should tease it with a Yordle.
: 2018 Lore Tournament - 12th December: Stains on a Name vs The Monster of Kalduga Outpost
Stains on a name, I made a whole post how Neekos story just really didn't make sense because she has no fucking empathy to the tens of deaths she directly caused.
: some kid running around getting himself nearly killed but somehow doesn't
> [{quoted}](name=WayOfTheOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-12-13T00:50:25.470+0000) > > some kid running around getting himself nearly killed but somehow doesn't Uhhh this applies to Ekko, Ezreal and Nunu.
: > [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-12T21:21:26.002+0000) > > A man gets sentenced to death for looking at flowers, becomes Jesus in the process. Ivern?
> [{quoted}](name=UnlivedNewt132,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-12-12T23:38:40.257+0000) > > Ivern? It's Taric he was banished from Demacia for skipping practice to look at flowers.
: 2018 Lore Party Thread! Free-For-All Time
NOOOOO!!!!! I am sad now. Like, very sad. I was having fun losing pretty much every one.
: you realize that when both lux and neeko are lvl 5 ( 3 points in main skills ) that the mana cost for them both you use Bind + main damage ability is identical right? Neeko E costs 20 mana more than a lux Q, while Neeko Q costs 20 mana less than Lux E. So yes they are identical, except lux has higher range on her abilities. At most, lux uses 60 mana more, while being able to proc her passive twice, and negating some damage.
Lux's W, costs mana. Neekos doesnt. Furthermore Level 5 isnt just early game, thats pre-6, if we go with first skill at level 4, neeko on a spell round uses 140 mana, Lux on a spell round uses 200. So im sorry, i got the difference off by fucking 10. a 60 mana difference isnt "nearly identical" anymore than im "nearly identical" in age to my 10 year older sister. Especially since Lux only starts with an extra 30 mana and 1 more mana regen. And they both start will have around 600 mana at that time. so Neeko 600 - 140 Lux 600 - 200 Neeko 460 - 140 Lux 400 - 200 Neeko 320 - 140 Lux 200 - 200 Neeko 180 - 140 Lux 0 Neeko 40 - 40 Lux 0 Neeko 0 Neeko will be able to get off a whole extra round of spells and then probably an extra spell. thats not insignificant, especially since Neeko's W doesnt even have a cooldown other than every 3 autos.
: You are comparing different abilities. Lux E is Neeko Q. Both max those skills first.
If we do that, then Lux's early mana consumption is significantly higher. Not to mention, Neeko's W doesnt have a cost, nor can Lux just proc passive whenever with or without mana. Dont call them identical when for every round of spells Neeko is spending 100-130 early while Lux is spending 200-300, thats not nearly identical.
: Neeko's entire kit is mid range and not long range. In fact every single one of lux's abilities have higher range than neeko. Her bind roots for longer and travels faster than neeko's bind, unless it goes through minions. Lux has higher base AD than neeko does, so her Auto atks deal more dmg early. Mana cost between neeko and lux in the early game are basically identical. EX: Lux bind starts at 40 - 60 mana with a 10S CD at all ranks, Neeko E starts at 60 - 80 mana with a 12 - 10s CD and shorter range. Lux binding also has higher base dmg starting at lvl 2, as well as 30% more ap scaling. Neeko needs to hit 3x to trigger her W passive, which she only gets at lvl 3. You can't compare lux passive to neeko passive, as lux can proc her passive multiple times on multiple enemies quickly and neeko cannot. All lux abilities can also ignore unit collision. Neeko root is more comparable to Zyra root, which ignores unit collision and roots for 1- 2s, with more range than neeko has on her E.
Lux maxes E first 75% if the time, which is much higher than neeko e.
: As long as you don't consider the client. At this point for Windows 10 the client requires higher specs than the game itself.
The client requires higher specs than running full on HD skyrim decked out with hundreds of mods.
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