: So Riot, are we going to completely revise what stands for "zero tolerance" now?
You know what they say, kill one person and you're a murderer. Kill millions and you're a conqueror.
: It's incredibly sad that feminism has gotten to this point.
This is how views on ideologies become corrupted from their source... no feminists had anything to do with this decision lol. You are projecting on an event without linking cause and effect. This is a knee jerk and somewhat tone deaf reaction by riot to an outcry (That was legitimate) to their companies internal culture dealing with women. It's not like riot turned around and asked a panel of feminists what they should do to atone and they told them to ban men from an event before a certain time. It's like what starbucks did after their racial incident, they didn't actually feel their employee's NEEDED training on how to not be racist, or that they thought shutting down would even have an effect on their employee's at all. They did it as a PR stunt to try and fix their image after it took a blow, just as riots doing now. Main difference being, they handled it more tactfully, and riot just can't seem to get shit right anymore. So plz stop linking every dumbshit thing u see happen with an ideological point of view that had nothing to do with it, just because u want it to be wrong.
: for the love of god nerf evelynn already
Evelynns kind of unfortunately designed to one shot whoever she jumps on. Like lets say she didn't, what would be her options from that point? There's no one in the game that she can afford just just hang around waiting for her CD's to come back up without being killed, so she'd have to ult out and have blown her entire kit for some poke? Then not be able to do it again until the ultie came back up. Unless she gets reworked, she's super volatile to damage nerfs and you'd see her become non-viable really quick if nerfed.
: I think people are more focused on stats (as am i) because it is the sole section of this game that reflects on YOUR skill level and yours alone. For example I have higher kda's and stats on all of my champions then a high percentage of challenger players, the only aspect I'm under them is in vision score. Why am I hard stuck D5? Who knows since my stats are near all challenger level. Now I'm ranting. Oof.
Not seeing that great of stats in your recent games. Plus it sounds like you're comparing your stats to challenger players playing against challengers, where ur playing against low diamonds.
: Ranked feels so out of my control.
Go to op.gg when you join a lobby, and copy and post everything from who joined into op.gg. Typically if a team is weak, you'll figure it out there and can dodge. The lack of active players fk's up matchmaking more so than usual plus the volatility of games in a snowball meta make this step much more important than in better seasons. But it could also be once you started losing you kept playing on tilt, that happens to.
: After playing ranked solely for the purpose of collecting season rewards, I’ve concluded:
I have an account that I play random shit on thats sitting P5 right now and has a diamond border, and ya it's basically like a big target for if you do bad. Toxicity doesn't really bother me much though, I just find it hilarious that abunch of golds are taking shots at someone for having a diamond, as if having been diamond automatically makes you a try hard every game all of the time.
GIJose65 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tetsip,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yAAe0OFN,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-24T19:43:18.861+0000) > > You lost me at "I went darius to counter mao". Thats an easy lane for mao to win, just w to dodge Q's and disengage with your q, fight use bushes trapped with E to keep darius from being able to chase u. He has to land his Q's to have any sustain, and you can sustain off of anything you auto... and then he gets 5 easy passive stacks since you are now in melee range for him, his W and E will make sure of that. The "lul just get inside of his Q" meme only works if he already exhausted his other abilities or if you have some form of proper disengage which in this case maokai has none.
> [{quoted}](name=GIJose65,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yAAe0OFN,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-08-24T21:41:45.608+0000) > > and then he gets 5 easy passive stacks since you are now in melee range for him, his W and E will make sure of that. > > The "lul just get inside of his Q" meme only works if he already exhausted his other abilities or if you have some form of proper disengage which in this case maokai has none. I've played that matchup like that a million times and never lost it, its very easy to do what I just said. Unless you suck at movements your Q will disengage you from range of his E and he'll be slowed. If he tries to chase run to bush where you win. Even if you fuck up all of that, unless he has ignite you'll still be able to out trade him by level 4 just by not getting hit by his Q.
: Today I laned against a Maokai
You lost me at "I went darius to counter mao". Thats an easy lane for mao to win, just w to dodge Q's and disengage with your q, fight use bushes trapped with E to keep darius from being able to chase u. He has to land his Q's to have any sustain, and you can sustain off of anything you auto...
Rioter Comments
Kythers (NA)
: I just had a popular streamer steal my role in champ select (solo queue)
Chances are good he didn't type anything toxic though so riot 100% doesnt care. Guaranteed. Im surprised tobi had it in him to get back to D5 lel, so fkin washed up.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tetsip,realm=NA,application-id=ELUpwER8,discussion-id=sfbvmHWd,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2018-08-22T20:00:27.371+0000) > > Your interpretation of those numbers is... interesting lol. > > Both champions use the same item but one has a good win rate and one has a bad... so you blame the item being OP? > > Ever think maybe jinx is just better than trist in the current meta... and that this has nothing to do with stormrazor. And while we're at it, that there are high win rate adc's that don't use stormrazor at all, while tristana does... kinda disproves everything you're trying to say. The difference between Jinx and Tristana in the current meta is that Jinx was buffed specifically to synergize better with Stormrazor while Tristana was kind of left in the dirt. That may be the argument that he's trying to make. Why he brings Tristana up at all in his post, however, I don't know. The only people really winning with any regularity with Tristana are 1-tricks and pro ADC mains in Soloqueue. He brings up Rekkles but Rekkles is the closest you can get to a Tristana OTP who is also a Pro. I don't think Stormrazor is broken, however. I feel its an inherently flawed item that needs a more than just a cost lowering and an item build change; it honestly needs a revamp to be more DPS oriented than burst oriented.
It isn't really burst oriented though. A crit on your first auto that could have crit anyways is not that big of a deal. I think the movement speed attached to the proc is more useful than the crit. RFC and statik both give a bigger burst but no one is talking about them. Fk I think if botrk were a more recent item people would be losing their shit about it to. Holy fuck this item gives sustain, attack speed, AD, makes your attacks scale with the person your hittings health AND HAS AN ACTIVE THAT SLOWS AND DEALS DAMAGE, riot you done lost your minds. But that items been around for abit so no ones bitching about it. And alot of champs that rush it instead of stormrazor are doing just fine.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: I see, so how about stats? Jinx atm has 53% win rate and 15% pick rate ? Do you see this difference between this and Tristana that has 48% win rate and 6% pick rate? that difference is because one is innertly stronger with stormrazor which allows her to poke from 700 range with critting aoe rockets while the other one has a 525 base range that scales with lvls and has no AD steroid attached to autoattacks.
Your interpretation of those numbers is... interesting lol. Both champions use the same item but one has a good win rate and one has a bad... so you blame the item being OP? Ever think maybe jinx is just better than trist in the current meta... and that this has nothing to do with stormrazor. And while we're at it, that there are high win rate adc's that don't use stormrazor at all, while tristana does... kinda disproves everything you're trying to say.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Possible fix for the problems of current botlane
Stop using youtube videos of a single game, and snapshots of pro players over a very small number of games as "proof" of your claim. I don't think stormrazor is actually that strong just based on experience, but if you could ACTUALLY find numbers that had anything to do with whether or not stormrazor was broken or not, then it would be worth discussing. Rekkles recent match history is irrelevant, you have no idea how those games went, and even his jhin which is a strong stormrazor user is at 49% win rate overall, so that does not support your claim. Don't confuse that if those numbers did reflect your argument however, that that would prove anything... because thats not how numbers work :X Thing about stormrazor is that it needed to exist after the I.E change, and people WANTED the I.E change because its what cut down the adc's "burst" damage against squishies.
: We all talk about how high damage is, but can we address the CC bloat this game has?
Look, you're wrong, and allow me to explain to you why in a way that you'll understand. Meow meow. tldr; Meow
: See i don't understand kids like you. we have that new "stats" page so you can realize where you suck in. That was Riot's healthy way of tuning down smurfs account, but again this cocky generation wants to be perfect. I've yet not played 100 games on 1 champion on any other lanes just to justify where I'm good in. MY KD is higher than most diamond players per champions I'm playing and my vision control is way above the diamond players, yet again this "stats page" will become more viable to see where I'm at when i hit 500+ games, about 200 to go.
Wtf, you start off talking about "this cocky generation" then proceed to spout some of the most condescending garbage. Don't take your ranked frustrations out on other people, learn the game or don't but don't worry about making comparisons between yourself and high tier players when ur new.
Kivolan (NA)
: That's why this meta needs to die entirely to allow for actual counterplay. Damage is just too high across the board, more burst isn't helping the problem.
This is true. Alot of what people hate about stormrazor that I totally agree with is that it's yet another front end damage item. It, RFC, statik, duskblade are all aimed at ending the fight on the first blow.
Kivolan (NA)
: {{champion:21}} does abuse {{item:3147}}, though, which is half the problem. Also https://champion.gg/champion/MissFortune/ADC? Different sources have different information, I guess. Stormrazor is indeed listed in her highest win % build.
Alright her stats actually look totally different from the last time I checked her. I don't really know whats going on with MF, I don't remember them changing dark harvest but it seems like all the pro MF's have gone mostly back to comet. But regardless, finding a stormrazor on MF on pro builds is still like playing where's waldo, so at the very least she definitely doesn't need the item to be viable. Also her highest w/r build is a pretty small sample size.
Kivolan (NA)
: You answered your own question in your post. > It's literally the only thing propping up a role that is very weak in this current meta ADCs are supposed to be late game carries that shred enemies through sustained DPS... NOT early game burst assassins. {{item:3095}} has changed the playstyle of several ADCs significantly away from their intended purpose. {{champion:21}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:202}} etc. simply have wayyyy too much synergy with the item and it's giving them a ridiculous amount of burst potential. Stattik was actually nerfed for the same reason of too much burst. I also hate Rapidfire Cannon for the same reason. The main problem, however, is that it is abusable on other champions that are not ADCs. {{champion:107}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} etc. instantly delete champions with an auto attack.
Propping up isn't breaking, its making viable. I use to be all about the adc strat of just playing super safe early until I had IE and double zeal and then popping off, but that doesn't work in this meta. Any role that needs 3 items to be good is just along for the ride, because by the time you have those 3 items most games will already be headed towards its conclusion with you having had no impact.
Rioter Comments
: Honestly, I Don't Like Stormrazor
Think you missed why stormrazor was brought into the game. During the crit item rework IE was made to double the crit of your other items, and provide nothing itself. Obviously that gave adc's nothing to rush into, zeal items offer pathetic damage returns before you have AD, and they were also nerfed as well. Stormrazor was just good first purchase buys that built into an item made for early game to allow adc's to be relevant to the game before completing 3 items. Considering most games are snowballing in one direction or the other in this meta by the time the adc has 3 items, its a pretty necessary item short of another complete adc item rework. Not really even understanding the complaint about it, it's not that strong. It's well rounded stats but nothing crazy, and the passive on it isn't even as good as RFC or statikk have been for along time.
Ryushiin (NA)
: Tips against yi?
For jungle {{champion:24}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:23}} if you're good mechanically with them {{champion:107}} {{champion:104}} can fight him too. Support wise {{champion:12}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:90}} and usually bring exhaust. Do not throw out your cc at him before he alpha's, IF HE's in range of his target, if you can get to him before that do it. But if the yi goes all in and gets hit by a hard cc or exhaust than he pops. Most of the skirmisher suggestions are bad because there's very few champions that can out skirmish a yi if he knows what he's doing. Examples being trynd can obviously fight him because of R, jax because of E, graves can kite him if you're good enough at attack move and Rengar can outplay him if you're able to disengage with empowered E when he ults and then use your ultie to rengage when it expires. There's obviously going to be more but these are just examples of the kind of strategies that shut down yi.
: Shit, I thought it did. Well crap. Edited. Nasus is still strong against him tho.
Yi rips nasus in half like a phone book unless yi built absolutely troll, what are you talking about?
Audhulma (NA)
: To answer your question, no BFA is not a league killer. WoW has released multiple expansions over the last decade, none of them has done anything noteworthy to league's playerbase. As with every WoW expansion, there are a lot of people going back or joining for the first time, which means some of LoL's players will be going there for a while, but the majority of those returnees/newbies don't stick around more than a few months each expac. Most of the people quitting LoL don't have the willpower to stay away from it for more than a few months anyways, so despite the general consensus that things are getting bad, "I'll quit!" is an empty threat to LoL.
> [{quoted}](name=Audhulma,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aB7T6KJv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-13T14:18:01.223+0000) > > To answer your question, no BFA is not a league killer. WoW has released multiple expansions over the last decade, none of them has done anything noteworthy to league's playerbase. As with every WoW expansion, there are a lot of people going back or joining for the first time, which means some of LoL's players will be going there for a while, but the majority of those returnees/newbies don't stick around more than a few months each expac. Most of the people quitting LoL don't have the willpower to stay away from it for more than a few months anyways, so despite the general consensus that things are getting bad, "I'll quit!" is an empty threat to LoL. Lol that's so tone deaf. This not like any other season of league. Why would you even think to make a comment when u've played enough this season for a grand total of 8 levels?
Rioter Comments
: is this reasonable for 2 minute 40 seconds into the game?
Yeah this season's felt like a beta testing for a new game being produced by an indie company. I've been totally out of excuses for this shit for months. Game is legit broken. I played a norm against a bronze 1 shaco where I was adc and it was like... I cannot outplay this person, he's just too good... literally just because he could q to me and auto/ignite/E. Im fkin P2 60% w/r as adc... being oppressed by a bronze shaco who only needs q to me and auto one fking time... Riots lost their mother fkin minds S8 lol.
sobi999 (EUW)
: Sometimes i really do wonder, why people in the forum never understand the point OP is trying to get across. OP is not asking you if Leblanc outplayed her or not, rather if that sort of damage is justifiable 2:40minutes into the game, considering how much mobility she has. Now would you please opine on the matter in hand instead of analysing his gameplay that is irrelevant to his purpose of making the post in the first place.
It's an ego thing. They think it makes them sound more knowledgable about the game, and implies they could have done better in the situation. People like that don't really aim to contribute anything constructive to the conversation.
: What people think happens in bronze vs what really happens in bronze
Well actually... https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/afk-stats
: Why I'm Toxic
I'd have to agree with pretty much everything in regards to the culture of the game. It is kind of fking disgusting the emphasis this game places on words simply to provide a placebo effect against "toxicity". Its a bandaid to provide riot some justifiable defense to say they're trying to do something about it simply by targetting the easiest to police "problem". While a good portion of the adults who play this game, and especially the competitive ones who actively try to get better, could give two fk's less about ANYTHING someone has to say in a game, and care tremendously more that no one's being punished for wasting others time. Literally no one. I could take this account down to bronze 5 in a couple of days and it wouldn't trigger anything in riots system. Would be considered nothing more than an unfortunate series of "bad games". But if I end a game with gg ez? God help me.
: ***
A lot of this also comes down to elo. In a silver game, which this guy is silver, a game basically is always winnable. It's just who throws hardest last that determines most of their games. Where as in an elo where people have the basic game knowledge to close a game, a decent sized lead to one side will often just be a slow death you know is coming 15 minutes out.
: Here's the absolute best tip you will ever get to win more games.
I wish the supports I've been getting lately would follow this. So many plat supports literally just trade out of boredom, but if you tank your health in trades against a sustain lane when we could have just all inned in a few levels, youre fking trolling.
: A message to everyone who thinks that every sensible person who plays League doesn't enjoy it:
I don't know why you would feel the need to make a post stating your opinion on people who deal in absolutes though... That's all it really is, a huge bulk of the player base is disappointed with this season, and that's just how some people talk about it. It isn't correct in a literal sense... clearly people are still enjoying the game or there would be no one playing it, but that's simply the way they talk about things. Saying they're an ass doesn't have any ground either, some people have black and white views on things and that doesn't make them the brightest, but it doesn't make them anymore of an ass than someone else. I think what you're really frustrated with is people who are trying to force their opinions on you, which... I mean this is the internet, I would recommend just getting over that :X
Drago326 (NA)
: I played ONE GAME with electrocute + ignite.
>If you're not playing the meta, you're automatically putting yourself at a disadvantage Is this really an epiphany for you? That's the same saying if you jump in a puddle, you're going to get wet. Why would using the most effective tactics available not give you an advantage?
: Sick and fucking tired of people being allowed to first time champions in ranked.
This season the only real way to climb that I've found is you have to use op.gg alot. When you go into a lobby, highlight everything thats there where it says "player has joined" and copy paste it into op.gg. Since bad players are having a lot higher an impact on game due to snowball meta, it's become way more necessary than b4. And you'll find alot of your loses from one super bad player, their op.gg would have stuck out like a sore thumb and it could have been avoided. Also probably alot to do with how this season fking sucks and is demoralizing so many plats aren't try harding for diamond anymore because games are a dice roll half the time.
: Why are champs with big boobs, a slender waist, and curvey hips "sexism" or "objectification"
I love how people fight about this shit even though sexualization in any form of entertainment outside of kids stuff is commonplace. It's done because guys enjoy it, why would you want to take that away?
Rioter Comments
: When everyone is complaining about game balance but you actually enjoy the current meta
>I'm sorry, I just don't think the game was better when ardent allowed supports to make ADCs invincible, or when you had 3 tanks just CC lock you for days where you couldn't even damage them to fight back You mean when there were team fights?
: It's not like you can realise when something is broken regardless of your rank...
I'd have to disagree with this one. Bronze players tend to think everythings broken because without basic mechanics its impossible to actually judge.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: As someone who does not hate Yasuo
They really should have asked a Yas player... what yas needed to be stronger if they wanted him to find a place in this meta. I'm fairly certain no one wanted his ultie to become a one shot tool. It's always been for the utility and the armor pen buff that followed mainly. Why massively buff its damage numbers? I guess they've just given up and decided the only thing that can make a champ work in this meta is if it can also one shot, so they gave him this.
: My Biggest Fear with the Ezreal Rework is...
The only thing I wouldn't be pissed about them changing about ezreal is the way his W works. Through most of lane phase you're basically a two button champion because for some reason the W is more of an AP ability and isn't worth taking as AD until you've got two points in E. Everything else I really like about the champ and wish they'd jsut back tf off my backup adc. These reworks are getting ridiculous anyways.
: It's all about the "you thought I was AD" build. You start by building {{item:3004}} {{item:3057}} like usual. But then you spook them and go straight AP afterwards. {{item:3020}} {{item:3042}}{{item:3040}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} /{{item:3146}} It's like normal AP Ezreal, except you're still relevant early game.
Sounds OP, especially the part about being able to have 7 items XD
Leto GT (EUW)
: I understand your frustration and I see it everyday with assassins. I had this kata 0/5/0, 2 lvl behind and half my cs today that I honestly hard outplayed in lane. Yet, she remained a threat the whole game. Eventually she 100-0 me once but also got kills here and there even if she was super behind. It didn't matter at the end because we were super ahead anyway. I assume you had no flash and no heal and I assume your support was brain afk. I assume your midlaner missplayed and was probably coming back from base. There's no way she would've ganked unless : 1°) she didn't force her opponent to back while remaiming healthy or outplayed your midlane by backing first to roam. 2°) your midlane or yourself haven't warded deep enough. The game has become less forgiving because of the amount of damage which pretty much makes the assassins have it easy. I know you're Plat 3 and you're probably pretty good at the game but it doens't mean you don't make mistakes and I'm pretty sure I'm correct on my assumptions.
The only mistake that I made was believing I could survive a combo from a champion that was so far behind me, which is common and alot of people even in challenger are admitting to making that "mistake" this season, because they're not use to people so behind still having so much kill potential. However even if I start to just expect that any champion with burst will 1 shot me if I move in range of their abilities, that doesn't give me back the ability to carry. I'm still being allowed to be zoned off pressure by someone who's done nothing well all game, just happens to be playing a champ with an overloaded amount of burst. It should be obvious that the ability to one shot people should come with a lead, so that at the very least it showed that person had some sort of compitency with the game and didn't just pick a brain dead champ, hit all their buttons on me, and thus removed my ability to carry.
Leto GT (EUW)
: Win your lane, shutdown the guy who's snowballing and carry. Try to be selfish and do whatever you can to get an actual lead = don't go for traps move that would be put you behind. The game is much more focused on on getting leads than stopping the bleeding.
Except there's a problem unique to this season. This would have worked in the past, but now that 2/5/3 leblanc who's been playing like shit but just finished her ludens echo can one shot you as a 10/2/5 adc. Few minutes later you're like damn that leblanc is fed, but how tf would she not be? She finished one item and suddenly all the squishies on your team became a buffet. This is just a example from a painfully frustrating game I played awhile back, but it applies to many champions. Point is, now that a player no longer needs to do well to get the items they need to one shot you, solo carrying is basically impractical. All you can do is make yourself a worth enough target to bait enough CD's, that hopefully your team can clean up after you die.
: Just words on a screen pal move along and play the game
Lol people always downvoting things like this but its like... seriously. If you still find yourself thinking about some shit a random said anonymously to you on the internet 15 minutes later... maybe single players games are more your thing.
: I'm Tired Of Seeing "We Asked For This Current Meta"
There were posts from people wanting shorter games. But just because people were posting it didn't mean they were in the majority. Everyone bitching games were to long were usually just told to go play HOTS, because game length is part of what made league feel healthy and complex as a strategy game.
: why i have quit league of legends
inb4 the usual typical lazy "See you next week" post.
Rioter Comments
Du Ma Mi (NA)
: A Better Way to Flame - A few key phrases
Real talk, u wanna see some high quality flame. Check out an euw stream.
Rioter Comments
: Logged in for the first in over a month to see if anything is getting better...
Pretty sure they know, but they won't do major changes until preseason. If you don't find the current meta fun at all I would give it till preseason 9 to check back, before that all they're going to do is try to keep everyone as equally broken as they can instead of fixing their core problems.
: Smurfing it's a cowardly act. Change my mind.
The vast majority of complaints about "smurfs" is from assumptions that because someone snowballed they were smurfing. If someone is so much better than the elo they're in that the opposing team doesn't stand a chance, they climb out of that elo very quickly. Saying someone is cowardly because they don't wanna do every game on their main is ignorant. If your main is in an elo where u have to try hard, maybe you don't always feel like try harding, and normal game quality is ass for higher elos, so you have a smurf. Clearly a person can play at the level of their main, thats how they got there in the first place...
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