: Riot gave Fiora her bangs back in her splash
To much work to achieve what acording to them is part of their job and mission in the first place, doesn't help fix the underlying issue that they wasted time on a asinine project while others were left undone, and then Ironliefeld constant lies about it being to hard to change, to little to late.
Knalxz (NA)
: Did Ironstylus really say the Fiora changes were because he is a feminist?
It's not because he's a feminist, it's because he and his team are arrogant jerks who think they can do no wrong and don't care if people spent money they will just be hypocrites and randomly change what ever they want.
Dehorn (NA)
: but the contract actually says (now back to lol) they can change whatever they want whenever they want.
But a judge can decide if such a contract is legal, if i payed for a book then the publisher wants to change my copy and says we have a contract a judge can say that the contract is null as it negates property rights that are assumed.
Lowvyr (NA)
: IronStylus says he's a feminist.
This isn't really a Feminist thing, Look at her new Pose no feminist would be cool with that kind of needless spine twisting shit, it's just a bad art design being forced on a character whose visuals were fine,
Dehorn (NA)
: but youre not buying anything! XD you are giving them money to use their product. maybe you didnt understand the car example. if i own a house and you pay me $100 a month to stay in my guestroom, you are just using my room. its my house, my room, i can do whatever i want to it. i can paint the walls, change the bedding, etc etc etc. you cant take me to court because i change a lamp shade.
My point was a judge could say that the person agreed to that contract with you because they liked the car and so in alternating it you have nulled the contract and must return the money,
Dehorn (NA)
: k? not sure what you're getting at. i was just explaining the system to him since he doesn't seem to understand. if you give me $10 to borrow my car occasionlly and one day i decided to paint it a different color, you cant get pissed off and demand i change it back or return the $10... its not your car...
My point is, just because it's Legal doesn't mean it's not a massive dick move, or that it will stay legal, I can totally see a judge looking at this and saying "No you can't change something people bought i don't care what stupid contract you have."
Dehorn (NA)
: what do you mean "your purchases"? you do know that you dont own anything in league right? when you spend money on rp, youre donating money. you never own anything. you agree to this everytime you hit that "i accept" to the ToS button... calm down.
It used to be legal to lock workers in factories, Legal doesn't always mean right,
Retillin (NA)
: Hey now, League's "art team" is only 90% as bad as Liefeld.
The key difference is Liefeld didn't go into peoples homes and change comics they already bought.
: Fiora
The same could be said of all champions Ironliefeld and crew are just hypocrites who like to fuck with things other people payed for because they feel entitled from being given to much praise for to long, rember he's always said he wants to avoid doing work to make Cho'Gath look like himself so he can do even less work then he already does.
: ***
Yep Ironliefeld and his team showing they only care about their own sit and people who payed for it be dammed,
NemeBro (NA)
: Why does Royal Guard Fiora suddenly have brown hair? Why did Nightraven Fiora lose the more unique hilt on her rapier? When will Riot answer these questions?
Because Ironliefeld and his team feed on their own hypocrisy,
Retillin (NA)
: Oh I don't disagree. But it's like the artist version of "Hitler" or "Stalin". It means they REALLY fucked up.
Have you seen Fiora's spine? or MF's waist? cleaner lines doesn't make that any less horrible looking,
: What's happening to riot lol?
Riot has either grown really scared or really proud, both are bad, Mostly i'm sick of Ironliefeld and his goons wrtecking champions looks without any chance to refund or replace them,
: Only because League is still the GOLD MINE that it has become. They will immediately have issues with selling products with false advertisement if their jobs are being threatened by it. Your only solution is to stop playing League and play another game, in droves. Do what Dominion did, and just leave.
I'm working on it, and i mean hardcore, i have unfaved every piece of LoL fan art i had on DA and submitted a ticket requesting the removal of every champion skin and Icon on my account to make it clear i'm not coming back unless Riot pulls a 180.
Retillin (NA)
: Ouch, calling an artist "Liefeld"... man that is rough.
Rundus1 (NA)
: Please Riot, at least let me know if anyone's considered this...
They won't Ironliefeld and his crew have gotten full of themselves and don't actually care about anything other then what they want, look at how eager he's always been to mutilate Cho'Gath because he can't be bothered to do his job and make him work without destroying him,
: This month is the "test how many players we can get to quit" month...
I've actually submitted a support ticket requesting they remove everything from my account(without any demand for a refund on anything) just to protest the horrible actions they have taken and give me a way to prove i'm serious about quitting over the new art direction.
DropFill (NA)
: She never needed a fucking VU to begin with. They just want to throw it on our throat
Yeah Ironliefeld and his team can go to the pit this art style is just ugly and to different from what we all got into the game with.
Ectasyy (EUW)
: What i don't understand is they have a problem switching the bangs on fiora because then the splash wont look like the models in game.... but why would you even change it when all her skins (royal guard, mistress, nightravin) have the hair over one eye.. so does that mean they are gonna change the splashes to them since it don't look like the model anymore? IT makes no sense. easy as done just fix the models like the splash or close to them. I see so many fans of the game easily re edit the art and made it 100x better. and they are doing it for FREE and so many at one time. They don't work for riot
Riot has no issues selling products with false advertising, never has never will,
terkmc (NA)
: Srsly the new Fiora base skin doesnt make sense. Why is she blue and white again? Why is she wearing a leotard, a corset and a Space Marine sized pauldron to battle? The old one has grace, style and practicality because it meshes light armor with her clothing like one single piece, now the rest of her body is skin tight while her shoulders stands out like a fucking Venus trap. Furthermore, the old armor is form fitting and sleek, it's armor, but it doesn't flare out but keep it reserved fitting for a stylish and gracious duelist. Now all of her new stuff has **FLARE EVERYWHERE** like come on guys no one needs clothing that big and flamboyant, certainly not one who talks about grace. The new base looks like a scrapped version of Order of the Lotus with the color scheme and the mega leaf shoulder thing, but it is definitely not Fiora
: You missed my point entirely, not once did I call Fiora ugly .. and we do have champions who aren't as stereotypical pretty as others. This isn't a feminist post by any means lol I'm just shocked that when the thematic of a character is enhanced more with a visual update people complain. Fiora looks like a seasoned veteran now as she did in her original, just heightened her features which were already there.
Fiora looks like a random back ground character in that new outfit, it's bland as hell and clashes with the newer Champions like Jinx and Ekko, the VU team is hurting the artistic harmoney with this and the Gangplank cartoonish build,
: So tl;dr, you want to get stuff for not participating in the event, or participating in the wrong way?
The Graves side is unfair as it requires a win in a mode that is famously devoid of fairness, combined with the whole must be done in order thing it makes grinding the kills frustrating and that leads to players not enjoying it,
: This is definitely not Fiora! You change every thing of her so why don't you make a new champion?
Actually replace the Rapier with a Saber and mess with the cape change the bangs and you could have a new if bland champion.
: I fixed the Fiora splash art for you guys.
: Thank you, Riot, for listening and adjusting the Fiora splash art
TBH they really should cancel the vu delay her re-release for a patch and just update her old Model, this whole thing epitomizes the problem with the VU team, and not only is her rework objectively bad it clashes with even new Human champions, Fiora and Gangplank don't look like they are from the same work as Ekko, so they are creating bad works that create dissonance,
: > [{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EuJk3qAt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-22T08:49:14.513+0000) > > Dude. He made a piece of work. Any public piece of work is up for critique. There are threads everywhere and comments telling what exactly is wrong. > > This sucks. This is not fiora. I dont fcking know what that is. > > Many spalshes have changed, but they werent as dreadfull as this one. In those changed splashes you could still see the same champs. When i see fioras spalsh now i dont even recognize who the fck it is. > > I do not care how much work or anything he put into this work. It sucks. No matter how much time you spend or how much love you put in, if your work sucks, it just sucks and ppl will tell you that. well yeah but honestly, when you are critiquing something, you dont sit there and yell at the person you are critiquing, you give them contructive feedback in order to improve it, no rioter in their right mind is going to comment on the subject if there is so much pressure on that subject in particular, i.e Stashu on cassio rework, don't scare away our only hope of getting the art in the direction that fiora players want it to go. speak about the subject in a way that doesnt sound like sensless rage, actually make an attempt to speak with them, thats all im trying to accomplish with this post
We can when we pay for it, this Artist isn't a kid hanging out on DA drawing fan art, they are a professional artist who did an objectively bad job, that needs to be fixed, and they removed from work on public character pieces,
Tendrian (EUW)
: Fiora is one of the biggest egos in the league - why would she wear such a bland outfit?
Congratulations you have a better understanding and put more thought into this then the VU team.
Durzaka (NA)
: Pretty sure everyone who didnt play Fiora wanted her reworked. Just like with Karma. Except unlike Karma, current Fiora has some very toxic, uncounteractable, and uninteractive game play.
True, the Visuals are shit however,
: Fiora's new ult seems to be the hot topic in that regard...
How her spine is made of rubber is another one.
: i know we probably missed the chance, but how awesome would a pool party {{champion:114}} with a pool noodle as a sword be.
Like crap probably, same as anything the new Fiora is used with.
: Can we talk about what is really important about Fiora being reworked?
A new skin for a now hideous Liefeldian abomination, great.
: League of Models
She actually looks more like a super model now, grossly under weight forcing herself into a comically over done pose(even compared to the original), and with a face built on the ideas of beauty with no actual balance, it's just bad, the artist did a terrible job and we have to pay for it.
Vera (NA)
: ---> [POLL] <--- Old Fiora v. New Fiora Visuals
Not just unnecessary but out right bad, everything here isn't just a bad version of Fiora it's bad period, the Liefeldian Build and Pose, the bland background character like cloths, it's just out right bad.
: Are you going to listen to your community about Fiora's new VU? I highly reccomend you do.
The issue is that Riot doesn't aim for a good middle ground, they need to reveal these ideas early enough to get feed back before investing in them to heavily, but late enough that barring major negativity they are sure it will be the final product,
: Keep Fiora's old Splash and ingame model
To be completely honest, they need to look into the rework teams visual department, the fact that Fiora got one at all while the Taric one is holding up his relaunch is so utterly ridiculous that it seems they need a restructuring,
: I'll mention it when I'm not as busy. So yeah, there's that.
Better be good, because this is BS when you guys claimed that MF was left bland for the very things you showed no regard for on Gangplank and now Fiora,
: Problems With the New Fiora Art
I would also like that ugly pallet replaced by her old white gold and black one, OH and someone explain how cloth works to that artist, it shouldn't sink all the way back to skin tight around the breasts,
: Champion Update: Fiora
Who keeps making these updates look so goofy? first GP now this.
: Biggest problem with League right now: Clarity. Not the summoner spell.
While i can see your point on the MMR things, The reason you don't get info on reports and stuff is to keep people from gaming the system,
Darlantan12 (EUNE)
: yorick doesn't look bad, he need rework but more spells than model, mordekaiser need like chogath true, tarick and poppie will be soon so it isn't a problem, quin is new chapmion, she doesn't need visual update
Her animations are all iffy looking and could use replacing, kind of like Sivir and her broken neck.
Krizalid (EUW)
: Now that Gangplank has a new look... We NEED this
won't work his cartoonish proportions will make any attempt at scary or dark fall into narm territory,
: Shyvana's Spell Effects...
I hate them Burnout doesn't just look stupid it keeps fading so you can't tell if it's up or not,
: > [{quoted}](name=Thanotos Omega,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kxEE3daN,comment-id=00040004,timestamp=2015-07-08T00:24:47.890+0000) > > Don't you think it would be a good idea to bring down Captain Fortune to a 750 as a good will gesture due to another lack luster update? I mean if it wasn't for riots stance against traditional skins i would have assumed that Captain Fortune was her VU and her new classic was a Traditional since the captain fixes most of her visual problems while still keeping her identity, As for Miss Fortune's update being lackluster - before we showed any update, we stated it would be a minor visual update, not something that was Sion level of a rework. I think the skin itself is worth what it's currently priced at (this is my personal opinion) because she does have an awesome recall, and she does have the updates that the VU offers. That said, when thinking about the thematic of the skin, we didn't change the particles because, well, what would you change them to? (This isn't meant to be rhetorical - if you have ideas, I'd love to hear them!) I think using Captain Fortune as a VU isn't the best option here because I don't think it captures the same personality that the current Miss Fortune base does.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kxEE3daN,comment-id=000400040000,timestamp=2015-07-08T17:03:43.118+0000) > > As for Miss Fortune's update being lackluster - before we showed any update, we stated it would be a minor visual update, not something that was Sion level of a rework. > > I think the skin itself is worth what it's currently priced at (this is my personal opinion) because she does have an awesome recall, and she does have the updates that the VU offers. That said, when thinking about the thematic of the skin, we didn't change the particles because, well, what would you change them to? (This isn't meant to be rhetorical - if you have ideas, I'd love to hear them!) > > I think using Captain Fortune as a VU isn't the best option here because I don't think it captures the same personality that the current Miss Fortune base does. Also where was this whole philosophy when Gangplank was made into a cartoon character? stripping him of all badassery?
: > [{quoted}](name=Thanotos Omega,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kxEE3daN,comment-id=00040004,timestamp=2015-07-08T00:24:47.890+0000) > > Don't you think it would be a good idea to bring down Captain Fortune to a 750 as a good will gesture due to another lack luster update? I mean if it wasn't for riots stance against traditional skins i would have assumed that Captain Fortune was her VU and her new classic was a Traditional since the captain fixes most of her visual problems while still keeping her identity, As for Miss Fortune's update being lackluster - before we showed any update, we stated it would be a minor visual update, not something that was Sion level of a rework. I think the skin itself is worth what it's currently priced at (this is my personal opinion) because she does have an awesome recall, and she does have the updates that the VU offers. That said, when thinking about the thematic of the skin, we didn't change the particles because, well, what would you change them to? (This isn't meant to be rhetorical - if you have ideas, I'd love to hear them!) I think using Captain Fortune as a VU isn't the best option here because I don't think it captures the same personality that the current Miss Fortune base does.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kxEE3daN,comment-id=000400040000,timestamp=2015-07-08T17:03:43.118+0000) > > As for Miss Fortune's update being lackluster - before we showed any update, we stated it would be a minor visual update, not something that was Sion level of a rework. > > I think the skin itself is worth what it's currently priced at (this is my personal opinion) because she does have an awesome recall, and she does have the updates that the VU offers. That said, when thinking about the thematic of the skin, we didn't change the particles because, well, what would you change them to? (This isn't meant to be rhetorical - if you have ideas, I'd love to hear them!) > > I think using Captain Fortune as a VU isn't the best option here because I don't think it captures the same personality that the current Miss Fortune base does. Part of the issue here is that the base of Miss Fortune wasn't all that great visually, she is claimed to be a great seductress and badass, she instead looks like a plastic surgery addicted teenager whose idea of seductive she got from her little brothers porn stash, combined with her now ludicrous guns that she can't handle and it paints a sad picture of a child playing at being a woman. It's the same issues Caitlyn and many other female champions have has, the writer made this awesome woman who is a badass, the visual department made a generic over sexed looking cluster of bad tropes, that looks even less capable in a fight then those bait babes from Wartune's lame "Male Gamers Only!" ads, Allot of us thought Riot had grown up and was ready to be one of the big kids like BioWare or Bethesda, but this just goes to show that your still willing to subvert a character to sell on cheap sex appeal, We figured Janna and MF's silly designs were because you were all still learning and hadn't yet found your bearing, This how ever shows different that for all the Writing teams efforts the company is still filled with the same kinds of people who believe a female warriors armor should become more skimpy as it improves, And in this day and age that is just sad. As for Value of the skin, My point was this is another should never have happened VU, because it's not better then nothing, it's not even like the wasted Kassidin and Alistar VUs, you made her worse, and i don't think they should feel rewarded for that.
: @Riot Can someone explain the reasoning behind the slow changes? (I am not mad, just want knowledge)
in addition to what others have said, Mellder pointed out how the old system mostly hurt imobile champs and they hope this will help them out. without needing to nerf the mobile ones,
: Since the Karthus VU, we're no longer offering refunds.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=H7VZnRn7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T23:15:44.986+0000) > > Since the Karthus VU, we're no longer offering refunds. I find this reprehensible, you already took away the Traditional skins, at this point Riot is being unduly greedy,
: That's correct. Cutpurse Twisted Fate and Cutthroat Graves are also 750 RP. Captain Fortune is 975 RP. (Of course, PBE pricing is subject to change). We felt these skins worked well with the base particles they had. Corsair Quinn will have the new Valor she has in her ult (the skills just haven't been updated for Corsair Quinn yet).
Don't you think it would be a good idea to bring down Captain Fortune to a 750 as a good will gesture due to another lack luster update? I mean if it wasn't for riots stance against traditional skins i would have assumed that Captain Fortune was her VU and her new classic was a Traditional since the captain fixes most of her visual problems while still keeping her identity,
: Champion Update: Gangplank
so now he looks like a generic not rugged pirate with a goofy as hell gun, instead of a generic rugged pirate with a decent looking gun, gameplay is nice but the VUs here and on MF are lousy as heck.
: Champion Update: Miss Fortune struts to PBE
and she still looks like a Rob Liefeld character, congrats
Show more

Thanotos Omega

Level 30 (NA)
Lifetime Upvotes
Create a Discussion