: > Can I ask how you know this? I've 100% been seeing a pattern. Most noticeably, the only punishments I've ever received were after groups of toxic people who queued together decided to flame and report. Riot Tantram has stated a fair couple of times that multiple reports don't influence the system any differently than singular reports. [A good example being...](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/9VrUtrJo-being-solo-and-having-a-team-report?comment=000000000002) > Multiple reports do NOT increase the likelihood of flagging a game for review. One report is all it takes. There is no benefit to asking for others to report a player. [And from the same thread...](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/9VrUtrJo-being-solo-and-having-a-team-report?comment=0000000000020000000000000000) > Reports haven't lost weight since the instant feedback system was put in place. > > It's actually really simple. > > if (reports > 0) { > review(); > } Which, the above quote contains a few lines of code from the IFS, that pretty much asks if a boolean flag (report count) is met; if the number of reports is 0, then the IFS doesn't review the match and nothing happens. If any number of reports greater than zero are filed, the match is reviewed. You may be seeing a pattern, but you could be misunderstanding it.
Possibly, but we won't know. I'm giving an example of what I'm seeing and what others are experiencing. You never know what's inside the review function and whether or not it will place a higher weight on the number of reports and the likelihood of being punished. I highly doubt that is real code from the IFS too because it's way too generic. Also, I read that Riot will place less importance on you reporting someone if you always submit reports, which means if that code is real, there's some calculation within the review function that determines how much weight is placed on a report.
: Where did I blame them. The game was over. By 14 minutes top had one tower gone and the second less than half and Fiora was 6/2 and bot was being 3v2 tower dove with no help and I was being blamed for not being aggressive enough. The overall score was like 12-3. How is me saying the game over bannable. When in the meantime I am being flamed and attacked by my team.
There's no explanation lol. They made a mistake but won't own up to it because it's a million dollar company and they don't care about you. Toxic people who get away with things will end up spending more money than people who get bullied out of playing the game and that's really all that riot cares about imo
: All game I was insulted and I will admit at first sure I gave up but I still did what I could to stop them from slaughtering us but it was impossible to stop a fed Fiora, Fiddle, and Miss Fortune. I was consistently called names and insulted by my teammates. I get that sure I argued but do you expect me to just take abuse from them and not say something. I was raised by lawyers I was taught to defend myself and apologize if wrong and see others point of view. Which is why I never flamed or attacked the lagging/feeding riven I said nothing to her just the morde who chose to not help me and the soraka who told me to die and stole cs and said she needed it since I would not push a 3v2 lane.
Ban system is absolutely corrupt. This happened to me too. I was also banned for defending myself from an entire team of toxic harassers. The enemy team was toxic too but not to the extent that my team was having full blown discussions about how bad I was from the start while telling the enemy team my location and everything I was doing so they could come and kill me etc.
Talonyte (NA)
: Yeah he did nothing wrong. stop warping in your minds that he did do something wrong. you guys are all biased cause nothing like this ever happened to you. how would you feel like if you were banned for an error and we just started to do this to you? papa salt did nothing wrong goodness you people have never had something like this happene to you so that's why you don't know.
100% agree. He did nothing wrong, any sane person could see that. This whole mob mentality of toxic groups screwing people over needs to be dealt with imo.
: > [{quoted}](name=PAPA S4LT,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=48AjI5Ga,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T01:13:25.534+0000) > > I fully get that but I did not throw the 1/7 in anyone's face my top was 1/7 he stated he was lagging from the start I was not attacking this man at all I was asking why Yorick staying top was a smart idea he was in no way stopping the Fiora he should have helped mid or bot rather than chase a Fiora around the map. Logically you do not consistently chase someone you cannot catch. I expecting him to gank mid or bot at least once because if one lane loses or has no chance of winning you should help another get fed to combat the fed champion on the other team. But after countless names and being told he was in no way going to help and being insulted by my support I was done playing the game. Can you not understand how that would be a terrible situation for me as a helpless 1000 health adc. I wanted to no longer play and I knew they would not surrender which they didn't so I wanted the other team to push bot and just end because it was at that point a waste of my time. I get my chat is the only thing that gets me punished but how is that fair? You're basically teaching people if you get attacked do not defend yourself just take it and move on. This is what leads to why I was 14 day suspended an inter in my 2nd promos again with no percausion. I get banned for being mad and they move to their next promo to either get their lane or feed. The open bot I get was a little much but I still played the game and I still did defend bot and all other towers. I regret saying it as I had a moment of giving up but I just wanted to get out of the game but I cannot forfeit on my own and my team wouldn't do it either because they were not done flaming me and feeding the enemy. If you couldn't handle the unpleasant messages you were seeing in chat, you should've defended yourself by muting those players and focusing on the game. Polluting the chat with a nonsense argument and then helping the enemy team win the game is inappropriate behavior. Do you understand that? I already explained above why it's 100% fair for your punishment to be based only on your actions. Regretting your mistakes only makes a difference if it leads you to change your behavior, and you didn't. Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours). From [Riot's support knowledgebase](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024051193-Understanding-Different-Ban-Types-FAQs): > We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow.
Im just gonna leave this here. Riot will ban you based on/if: - Multiple people report you (absolutely a factor) - You have a bad reputation (bad honor level) (absolutely a factor) - The frequency of how often people report you (absolutely a factor) - You've had punishment before (absolutely a factor) - The bot detects you flaming (sometimes a factor) - The people who reported you have good reputations (aka honor level) (possibly a factor) - The people who reported you have spent more money on the game than you (possibly a factor) - The people who reported you have a higher win rate than you (possibly a factor)
: > [{quoted}](name=PAPA S4LT,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=48AjI5Ga,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-13T00:56:08.114+0000) > > Explain what I did against the rules? I did not feed. I did not insult or flame my team. Where did I flame them. I get it looks like I argued all game but I said nothing for 11-15 minutes of the game(game was 26 minutes in total). It only shows my end not the names and attacks I was getting by my team saying I was pinging morde over and over and the soraka saying I was inting and not being aggressive in an already losing lane. I did not want to push a fed lane so I stayed under tower resulting in tower dive after tower dive and me being flamed for it. I did not respond to half the messages they sent during the game. You spent the entire match arguing, while the purpose of chat is to help your team win the game. Cluttering it up with negativity is against the rules. You insulted your teammates on their poor performance. They know they're 1/7. You don't have to throw it in their face. Harassing people like that is against the rules. You announced that you were giving up and decided to help the enemy team win ("open bot im done"). For some reason, you think that just because you didn't run up to them and die to give them gold and help them win a little bit harder it means you didn't assist the enemy team, but that's incorrect, and you did. Assisting the enemy team is against the rules. The only chat messages included in your chat log are your own for a single, extremely good reason: they are the only ones taken into account for your punishment, because they're the only ones in your control. The things other players said and did in your match might produce in you an impulse to do certain things that may include breaking LoL's rules, but your behavior is your own, and you are responsible for it. If you really think about it, this is a good thing. If a toxic player's goading could exempt you from punishment for your flaming them, calling for reports, etc., then it would logically go the other way as well, resulting in punishments for players who didn't necessarily break any rules but weren't quite as friendly and positive as their teammates. Can you imagine a world where "didn't participate in the dance party and ignored all of our jokes" was a valid report that could get someone suspended for two weeks? We don't want that situation anymore than we want "called our support a braindead waste of space" to be considered an _invalid_ report just because, say, the support was telling their team to harm themselves while they merrily ran it down mid. I'm sorry you've seen worse, but the system wants your behavior to be _acceptable_, not just _less unacceptable_ than what you have seen in others. I'm happy to hear that your behavior has improved, but the system wants your behavior to be _acceptable_, not just _less unacceptable_ than what you have demonstrated in the past.
I think you're nitpicking when you know the decision made by riot was wrong. I firmly believe Riot's algorithm works against you if more than 1 person reports you. The system needs work. Any sane person could see this is not a bannable offence, and was acceptable behavior that didn't violate a single one of the rules in the terms of use. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this guy got screwed because multiple people turned on him and reported him. That's pretty much how the game works. You suck, people report you, you're banned.
: That is incorrect. The report system works the same whether one person reports you or whether 9 do. For chat based offenses a report will automatically trigger a review of the chat logs for that game. If the bot sees negative chat, flame, or zero-tolerance behavior, a penalty is issued. If the flame is not excessive (light flame once in the match) and does contain ZT, the it is possible that your account will only be marked negatively and no punishment will be immediately given. Repeated offenses will result in punishment, however. Additionally, people mongering for reports is also a punishable offense, so if someone starts doing that to you, mute and then report in post lobby. Hope this helped clear up any confusion.
Can I ask how you know this? I've 100% been seeing a pattern. Most noticeably, the only punishments I've ever received were after groups of toxic people who queued together decided to flame and report. I can see how my actions in this game were punishable by looking at this chat log alone. Found this on another post: "just a quick background im a new player and i have no skill ,so i play either bots or aram . so i played a game in summoners rift i kept dying but i seriously couldnt win and im bad at the game , then i was reported for intentional feeding and inting .( dont know what either of those are) then my account is currently suspended for 2 weeks and the real reason is , for being a poorly skilled player. now if anyone knows a way to lift this ban then please help me , ive done nothing wrong ." Same situation except he didn't flame or curse at all. Not a coincidence imo
Leomata87 (EUW)
: wrongly reported and suspended
Proof that it doesn't matter what you do or say, if a group of people report you you're screwed.
Kapkaboom (EUW)
: In order to meet the standards set by Riot. I must become a punching bag?
The answer is yes, you must become a punching bag. Welcome to League of Legends
reprot (EUW)
: You¨re lucky you only spent 20 bucks. Years ago i got an account perm banned that I've used over 700 dollars on.
I have spent more before of course. It was just two days ago I decided to spend another 20 bucks for a skin
: ***
What shitass attitude? Do you really expect people who are ganged up on to just shut up and take it. Maybe in this game, but in the real world - no. Again, everything I said was in response to the attitudes against me. You have 9 people relentlessly harassing you every single game, you tend to get annoyed. Especially when none of the reports you submit seem to do anything.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The 13th,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=50zH1Y3v,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T05:10:11.897+0000) > > True, it's not neutral or constructive- but i don't think anyone could have remained neutral in a situation like that. I'm more flabbergasted that what other people do isn't taken into consideration before a perma ban. But that's unfortunate For Riot everything you do exists in a bubble, if someone is antagonizing you you're supposed to mute and report them and not flame back.
I have a feeling that regardless of what someone says or doesn't say - 4 reports against someone would cause punishment either way. If for example, 4 people decided to queue together and randomly report the other 1 person for whatever reason (in my case they were just taking out their anger on me and probably annoyed that I stood up for myself), then that 1 person is basically screwed. As the jungle put it, "all report yasuo make sure to add a description and he'll get banned". Mob mentality
Hotarµ (NA)
: >Unfair permaban. Refund possible? Not going to happen as per the [**ToU**](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse) you agreed to. ##2.2. What happens if my account is terminated? (No LoL for you.) "If your account is terminated, you’ll no longer have access to it, including any of the associated data or content (e.g., champions, skins, Riot Points, etc.). You’ll not be entitled to any refunds and we’ll have no liability to you. We also reserve the right to terminate any other accounts you may have created, as well as your access to any other Riot Services (also without any refunds or liability to you). You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately." > these people were like obssessed with antogonizing me but I felt that I remained pretty calm and neutral for the most part.  Someone else breaking the rules doesn't give you permission to do so yourself. Saying things like "stop, ur bad", "what a dumb idiot, suck my balls", and "fk u guys, I'm done playing with this team" is 100% not neutral or constructive in any way, shape, or form.
True, it's not neutral or constructive- but i don't think anyone could have remained neutral in a situation like that. I'm more flabbergasted that what other people do isn't taken into consideration before a perma ban. But that's unfortunate. edit: just curious.. but when do league players actually agree to this TOU? is it during account creation? I don't remember seeing this clause when I registered 7 years ago
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