: Ease of access on his ult? Really? Where do you get this stuff? If you had every played him you would know how hard it can be to ult.
> [{quoted}](name=ChrisDens,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=00330000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-18T23:19:39.757+0000) > > Ease of access on his ult? Really? Where do you get this stuff? If you had every played him you would know how hard it can be to ult. So damn hard... Half the roster has a knockup. All Yas has to do is spam r.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=000600010001,timestamp=2018-05-18T08:45:39.490+0000) > > Net Neutrality means that no company can offer services another cannot. Therefore the only way for a major company to move into a rural area is to significantly lower there prices, front a ton of money on infrastructure they likely won't see any return on in decades, and likely buy out a lot of 2-year contracts. > > However if they can offer faster access to major websites they can do so at the same or higher price. This forces other companies to lower their price to compete. So now you have both a "cheap" option and a "fast" option with competing prices. That's how capitalism functions. > > Net Neutrality simply means that people who live in places like I do will forever be stuck with overpriced shitty service by one local monopoly. > > > Maybe if college spent more time treating basic economics there days, and less time offering free counselling to snowflakes too lazy to shave whose candidate lost more people would understand this. Well, you're already just plain wrong on what net neutrality does, stating that the speeds and services provided by each company is exactly the same and at exactly the same price.
> [{quoted}](name=Declovone,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=0006000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-18T21:30:50.304+0000) > > Well, you're already just plain wrong on what net neutrality does, stating that the speeds and services provided by each company is exactly the same and at exactly the same price. That's not what I said at all.
LL Yasuo (NA)
: You gave me a good laugh, thanks buddy. How about u get out of silver 2 first and learn about the game then comes the balance talks ;).
> [{quoted}](name=LL Yasuo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=0041,timestamp=2018-05-19T03:52:05.866+0000) > > You gave me a good laugh, thanks buddy. How about u get out of silver 2 first and learn about the game then comes the balance talks ;). It's not a lack of game knowledge my friend... it's a bad case f a lethal disease.... known as old age.
: Would be nice if they went after people who have multiple accounts to spam dodges with no penalties, too. It's disgusting how easily exploited a game mode is, on top of their ineptitude in not unlocking all champions.
> [{quoted}](name=HarrisonOwns,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-05-18T08:53:49.172+0000) > > Would be nice if they went after people who have multiple accounts to spam dodges with no penalties, too. > > It's disgusting how easily exploited a game mode is, on top of their ineptitude in not unlocking all champions. That is something that can't be done. Anyone with VPN software can change IP's at will so no way to prevent it. Even if you locked a local install to one account you could do seperate installs on other PC's/partitions/or hell just run multiplie os's.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Except no? I said this is the account i use for aram. Not this is an aram specific account. Granted, i almost exclusively play aram and ai these days, but thats not much of a point, because then any account i use would be aram specific if i literally only play aram.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T21:56:36.950+0000) > > Except no? I said this is the account i use for aram. Not this is an aram specific account. Granted, i almost exclusively play aram and ai these days, but thats not much of a point, because then any account i use would be aram specific if i literally only play aram. Nah he's got a pretty mixed bag on champs.. just look at his match history..
Ernie (NA)
: There's really no excuse for not having a phone. Unless you're under 18 and your parents won't let you have one. then you have shitty parents, but its not riots problem
> [{quoted}](name=Ernie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QILV6lKL,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-05-18T07:07:24.692+0000) > > There's really no excuse for not having a phone. Unless you're under 18 and your parents won't let you have one. then you have shitty parents, but its not riots problem Not everywhere hell cell coverage... I'd have to drive 20 minutes to pick up a signal decent enough for an internet connection.
Wolfeur (EUW)
: If you're rich enough to buy a PC that can run LoL, you can buy a 10$ cell phone…
> [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QILV6lKL,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-05-18T08:43:39.460+0000) > > If you're rich enough to buy a PC that can run LoL, you can buy a 10$ cell phone… Now all areas of the US have cell coverage bub.
: just ask someone in your house. if you live alone, i highly doubt you dont have a phone.
> [{quoted}](name=Setsuna F,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QILV6lKL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-18T04:23:01.523+0000) > > just ask someone in your house. if you live alone, i highly doubt you dont have a phone. There is no cell service in my area.. so I don't see how this is unlikely...
Risen29 (NA)
: What is most annoying is that we specifically warned them when they announced this that this is exactly what would happen. But they thought having both scuttles spawn for the first time would be sufficient to solve the problem. Well, it isn't. These changes haven't made jungle less impactful during the lane phase, they have just forced junglers to go early game duel/gank junglers to continue having that impact, and made it easier for a jungler to punish the enemy team with ganks by getting an early lead that prevents the enemy jungler from being able to contest them.
> [{quoted}](name=Risen29,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=23EJtU2E,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-05-18T07:04:33.592+0000) > > What is most annoying is that we specifically warned them when they announced this that this is exactly what would happen. But they thought having both scuttles spawn for the first time would be sufficient to solve the problem. Well, it isn't. > > These changes haven't made jungle less impactful during the lane phase, they have just forced junglers to go early game duel/gank junglers to continue having that impact, and made it easier for a jungler to punish the enemy team with ganks by getting an early lead that prevents the enemy jungler from being able to contest them. I rather enjoy it. Adds some PvP to my PvE jungle experience.
Rihannsu (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Declovone,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-05-16T21:04:38.437+0000) > > If he wants a second term, this would be a very good way to get the favor of on-the-fence young voters. I don't think there're too many on the fence young voters.
> [{quoted}](name=Rihannsu,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=000200010002,timestamp=2018-05-17T10:19:09.054+0000) > > I don't think there're too many on the fence young voters. That's because young voters (well a large portion at least) are brainwashed social media whores incapable of thinking for themselves.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:58:58.190+0000) > > Well I'm against net neutrality... so.... GL getting this through the house and Pimp Daddy Trump. > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} > > You have capitalists and idiots. Which are you? Some things need to be government regulated. So we've got people who understand that fact, and idiots. Which are you?
> [{quoted}](name=Declovone,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPxtnEeI,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2018-05-17T03:35:11.960+0000) > > Some things need to be government regulated. So we've got people who understand that fact, and idiots. Which are you? Net Neutrality means that no company can offer services another cannot. Therefore the only way for a major company to move into a rural area is to significantly lower there prices, front a ton of money on infrastructure they likely won't see any return on in decades, and likely buy out a lot of 2-year contracts. However if they can offer faster access to major websites they can do so at the same or higher price. This forces other companies to lower their price to compete. So now you have both a "cheap" option and a "fast" option with competing prices. That's how capitalism functions. Net Neutrality simply means that people who live in places like I do will forever be stuck with overpriced shitty service by one local monopoly. Maybe if college spent more time treating basic economics there days, and less time offering free counselling to snowflakes too lazy to shave whose candidate lost more people would understand this.
: silver 4 .. 45% winrate .. +70 games .. no wonder you ban yasuo
> [{quoted}](name=ShivleMe Timbers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vs2TYBZ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:31:32.342+0000) > > silver 4 .. 45% winrate .. +70 games .. > > no wonder you ban yasuo Shaco smurf from EUW who acts like an ass... check. So do you folks do anything over the pond but one trick AD assassins and trash talk?
PB4UAME (NA)
: Buddy, new IE breaks even with old IE at 51.51 armor. You have to add in the fact that it doubles crit chance, so at three crit items (Ie + double zeal) you have 20% more crit (that is, 20 percentage points increase, its a nominal increase of 25% as you get one quarter more crit chance than you used to have). Without factoring that in, the break even point is around 120 armor. This also omits the extra AD on IE as well. I really don't know where you got 400+ armor, but I assure you the math was fucked up beyond all reason if that was the result. EDIT: Unless you were trying to do something ludicrous like comparing LDR against its optimal targets and 100% raw crit chance [so 5 items, 3 zeals, an IE and an LDR which no one ever fucking builds. In fact, no ADC bought LDR in more than 1.5-2% of all games (plat+) that they were picked so people didn't even build LDR a statistically significant amount on any ADC in the game, period, let alone on top of a crit build] compared to just two zeal items and new IE on PBE.
> [{quoted}](name=PB4UAME,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FzPl4BIU,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-17T00:09:32.239+0000) > > Buddy, new IE breaks even with old IE at 51.51 armor. You have to add in the fact that it doubles crit chance, so at three crit items (Ie + double zeal) you have 20% more crit (that is, 20 percentage points increase, its a nominal increase of 25% as you get one quarter more crit chance than you used to have). Without factoring that in, the break even point is around 120 armor. > > This also omits the extra AD on IE as well. > > I really don't know where you got 400+ armor, but I assure you the math was fucked up beyond all reason if that was the result. > > EDIT: Unless you were trying to do something ludicrous like comparing LDR against its optimal targets and 100% raw crit chance [so 5 items, 3 zeals, an IE and an LDR which no one ever fucking builds. In fact, no ADC bought LDR in more than 1.5-2% of all games (plat+) that they were picked so people didn't even build LDR a statistically significant amount on any ADC in the game, period, let alone on top of a crit build] compared to just two zeal items and new IE on PBE. It's literally only going to be stronger at 2 items. The moment you have the standard RFC/SS/IE old IE out performs it.
: When are we going to deal address this?
> [{quoted}](name=Chief Mayonnaise,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gxwYFjLe,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-16T06:37:45.665+0000) > > {{champion:81}} 50% winrate, 55% pickrate. Man's pickrate is higher than his winrate, I think that's the first time i've ever seen somebody do that. Even among adcs that is an absurd pickrate. Deal address. Deal a dress? Is that a strip poker joke?
: Yup, it's level 2 ganks now.
> [{quoted}](name=Setsuna F,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bA47nnqg,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:42:49.585+0000) > > Yup, it's level 2 ganks now. Yep lol. Best part about level 2 ganks? You get to tax lane for enough xp to hit 3 in 2 more camps.
: I mean, riot set out to nerf mages in the first place, in the assassins case it was just making duskblade less core in order to open build diversity.....not that it worked. Marksmen? Its not a nerf, rather its a shift in powerspikes. A bit weaker early alternatively midgame if rushing botrk, much stronger later thanks to lord dom and true damage. Altho admittedly the price increase will still hurt.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FzPl4BIU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-16T20:06:48.049+0000) > > I mean, riot set out to nerf mages in the first place, in the assassins case it was just making duskblade less core in order to open build diversity.....not that it worked. > > Marksmen? Its not a nerf, rather its a shift in powerspikes. > > A bit weaker early alternatively midgame if rushing botrk, much stronger later thanks to lord dom and true damage. > > > Altho admittedly the price increase will still hurt. For the record it's only stronger on targets with 400+ armor... vs anything else they are straight out weaker. The removal of giant slayer negated any bonus from the extra pent and then some. And guess what no one is going to be building 400+ armor. 8.11 is going to be all about health stacking. {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} + lots of high value HP items. {{item:3083}} {{item:3022}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3053}} ect. Why build armor that just gets negated anyway? Health is always good :P
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2c7iEuEw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:53:06.997+0000) > > The moment ARAM account don't exist... I'll give a shit. I'm not an ARAM account, just been playing a lot of it recently, but go off if that's what you need to do on the boards.
> [{quoted}](name=Vah Naboris,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2c7iEuEw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T23:02:49.070+0000) > > I'm not an ARAM account, just been playing a lot of it recently, but go off if that's what you need to do on the boards. Please do quote me on where I said you were.
Xilixer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvnHyPpX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:52:23.351+0000) > > dubs suck thats actually really wrong. some anime sounds better in dub and some sounds better in sub. for example: full metal alchemist, deathnote, dragonball Z, this gundam show, gundam wing, Cowboy bebop, Tri-gun, Rurouni Kenshin, and Samurai Champloo all sound better in Dub than in Sub. (there's more anime that sounds better in dub but i don't want to go through the pain of listing them all) generally speaking people who believe dub or sub is greater than the other are just fanboys of the way they watch the show rather than the actual quality. kind of like console players.
> [{quoted}](name=Xilixer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvnHyPpX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T23:04:49.058+0000) > > thats actually really wrong. some anime sounds better in dub and some sounds better in sub. for example: full metal alchemist, deathnote, dragonball Z, this gundam show, gundam wing, Cowboy bebop, Tri-gun, Rurouni Kenshin, and Samurai Champloo all sound better in Dub than in Sub. (there's more anime that sounds better in dub but i don't want to go through the pain of listing them all) > > generally speaking people who believe dub or sub is greater than the other are just fanboys of the way they watch the show rather than the actual quality. kind of like console players. No dubs suck because they always change the actual dialogue to fit the mouth movements. Often significantly. If I read a book I want to read a book... not have someone read it to me while paraphrasing.
: Net neutrality has been saved!!
Well I'm against net neutrality... so.... GL getting this through the house and Pimp Daddy Trump. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} You have capitalists and idiots. Which are you?
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TS Media,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MBpYU88L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:05:31.599+0000) > > Oh, that sounds like cancer. Love the insightful constructive criticism. > But 1v1s will 100% be a thing now, ha. Dude, 2 lanes are already 1v1, what are you talking about?
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MBpYU88L,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:09:46.595+0000) > > Love the insightful constructive criticism. > > Dude, 2 lanes are already 1v1, what are you talking about? More like 2 lanes are 0v1 and one lane is 5v3.
: Dark Harvest needs tweaking for ARAM
> [{quoted}](name=Vah Naboris,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2c7iEuEw,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:46:07.880+0000) > > The rune itself is fine but I'm seeing 3/5 or 4/5 players take it in ARAM on average no matter what role the champion has so I think minions should drop it less or not at all, considering the map is a giant team fight and dead champions drop it the proc constantly. The moment ARAM account don't exist... I'll give a shit.
Xilixer (NA)
: reminder that the dub is not available on any official site where you can watch anime. forcing you to watch it on some janky ass site.
> [{quoted}](name=Xilixer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XvnHyPpX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-16T22:17:54.488+0000) > > reminder that the dub is not available on any official site where you can watch anime. forcing you to watch it on some janky ass site. dubs suck
: I actually complain about poor use of relic shield more than having it used. I play Miss Fortune. Me leaving caster minions at half health is not an invitation for you to take them with Relic. That causes me to lose Q pressure and it cuts into the gold you COULD be earning.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AO5dFXif,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-16T19:18:35.163+0000) > > I actually complain about poor use of relic shield more than having it used. > > I play Miss Fortune. Me leaving caster minions at half health is not an invitation for you to take them with Relic. That causes me to lose Q pressure and it cuts into the gold you COULD be earning. God I HATE that shit. And the moment you say anything half of them start hard pushing and inting to tower.
: Plea to change one small thing about Promos (3v3) #2
Wait LoL has 3v3? JK... but serious though that shits been unplayable since they reworked the map.. and should just be removed.
: Spellthief's Edge feels bad.
here is an idea.... Why not let us proc tribute on wards?
Centur (EUW)
: 8.10 jungle changes
The funny part is it actually just forces jungles to level 2 gank. Don't see what this fixed really.
: We're definitely looking into this, and have had teams hammering away to try to get a repro case for us, but we've turned up empty so far. I put out a call for help on Twitter last week which unfortunately didn't yield results other than people expressing that it happened to them and with rough potential repro steps which didn't end up being consistent. We know that the actually occurrence of this event is super low, but do know that when this happens it's incredibly painful and impactful to your game. Anytime the way you fix a problem is to reboot your client in the middle of the game something is definitely wrong. We're working on it, and will fix it as soon as we can.
> [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ej495V1w,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-05-16T19:32:36.241+0000) > > We're definitely looking into this, and have had teams hammering away to try to get a repro case for us, but we've turned up empty so far. I put out a call for help on Twitter last week which unfortunately didn't yield results other than people expressing that it happened to them and with rough potential repro steps which didn't end up being consistent. > > We know that the actually occurrence of this event is super low, but do know that when this happens it's incredibly painful and impactful to your game. Anytime the way you fix a problem is to reboot your client in the middle of the game something is definitely wrong. We're working on it, and will fix it as soon as we can. Had it happen to a Duo sup buddy 2 games running. Had to reconnect on Leo to shop.
LoLKiru (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5baxUv9,comment-id=001e000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T21:46:02.735+0000) > > Mid vs a mage. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3VNogXvC4 > > Jungle > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRB-UFSMv8 > > Honestly all any AD melee needs to waveclear is a {{item:3077}} which anyone can buy on first back. I stand corrected. His jungle clear is really surprising though, I would've thought he'd take way more damage than he is though, especially from camps like the raptors, i'd imagine he's still pretty easy to invade though. Edit: I guess Cinderhulk is bugged too due to it actually giving him health.
> [{quoted}](name=LoLKiru,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5baxUv9,comment-id=001e0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T21:58:17.520+0000) > > I stand corrected. His jungle clear is really surprising though, I would've thought he'd take way more damage than he is though, especially from camps like the raptors, i'd imagine he's still pretty easy to invade though. > > Edit: I guess Cinderhulk is bugged too due to it actually giving him health. Honestly it's going to be hard to invade a champ with a run speed buff with wall hops. Also he does a fair bit of damage himself... if any lane is winning you do sort of risk getting turned on. Slippery + hard cc is a nasty thing to invade. I mean lots of junglers are easier to invade than he is. {{champion:28}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:203}} come to mind. Frankly the vasty majority of normal draft/lower elo games are just going to put him on perma ban status. ADC's won't want him as a support, or wont want to deal with him period. Most Support players don't also play AD assassins very much... and also don't want to play vs a thresh hooking assassin. Only thing his release is going to change... is we'll see Blitz played more cause he won't be banned as much.
: how would you know ur p5
> [{quoted}](name=where is my jger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gxwYFjLe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-16T08:49:12.296+0000) > > how would you know ur p5 Care to name the bball couches that can dunk a ball?
LoLKiru (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5baxUv9,comment-id=001e0001,timestamp=2018-05-16T20:28:56.040+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yJhs_Ns7k > > By going mid and being a better AD assassin than the AD assassins? > > He's literally an AD assassin with hard CC and a better Zed ulti. Its pretty funny actually that you linked that video specifically, LeBlanc might be one of the few people he can't easily get shoved in by. The biggest issue I'd see with him going mid, is that ANYONE with average to high waveclear will just shove him to his turret making him miss CS, and unlike LeBlanc (who suffers from this same issue due to having poor waveclear), he doesn't seem to have great kill pressure early on, due to low base damages with high cooldowns. Edit: Furthermore in that video he's also somehow two levels ahead of LeBlanc by the time he finally kills her.
> [{quoted}](name=LoLKiru,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5baxUv9,comment-id=001e00010000,timestamp=2018-05-16T20:38:35.191+0000) > > Its pretty funny actually that you linked that video specifically, LeBlanc might be one of the few people he can't easily get shoved in by. > > The biggest issue I'd see with him going mid, is that ANYONE with average to high waveclear will just shove him to his turret making him miss CS, and unlike LeBlanc (who suffers from this same issue due to having poor waveclear), he doesn't seem to have great kill pressure early on, due to low base damages with high cooldowns. > > Edit: Furthermore in that video he's also somehow two levels ahead of LeBlanc by the time he finally kills her. Mid vs a mage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3VNogXvC4 Jungle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRB-UFSMv8 Honestly all any AD melee needs to waveclear is a {{item:3077}} which anyone can buy on first back.
LoLKiru (NA)
: Legitimate question, as he is now; would he even be VIABLE as anything other than a support? Bone Skewer and Phantom Undertow have extremely long cooldowns early on (16 seconds down to 8 at max rank for Bone Skewer, Phantom Undertow is ALWAYS 15 seconds) with low base damages, meaning he'll be unable to waveclear mid in any remotely meta matchup until he gets tiamat (if then even?). Worst of all, even if he had kill pressure on-par with LeBlanc (which he doesn't seem to early on), he's a melee champion; so he'll get shoved and bullied EVEN harder than she does. As a jungler he'd have those same low damage high cooldown spells, while also having no sustain or AoE clearing to speak of, because Gift of the Drowned One only activates when you take damage from champions. This is mostly a question geared towards people saying he'll be taken to other positions, as he is now I can't see him ever working anywhere else due to the high restrictions placed on his kit.
> [{quoted}](name=LoLKiru,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5baxUv9,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2018-05-16T18:57:55.383+0000) > > Legitimate question, as he is now; would he even be VIABLE as anything other than a support? > > Bone Skewer and Phantom Undertow have extremely long cooldowns early on (16 seconds down to 8 at max rank for Bone Skewer, Phantom Undertow is ALWAYS 15 seconds) with low base damages, meaning he'll be unable to waveclear mid in any remotely meta matchup until he gets tiamat (if then even?). Worst of all, even if he had kill pressure on-par with LeBlanc (which he doesn't seem to early on), he's a melee champion; so he'll get shoved and bullied EVEN harder than she does. > > As a jungler he'd have those same low damage high cooldown spells, while also having no sustain or AoE clearing to speak of, because Gift of the Drowned One only activates when you take damage from champions. > > > This is mostly a question geared towards people saying he'll be taken to other positions, as he is now I can't see him ever working anywhere else due to the high restrictions placed on his kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yJhs_Ns7k By going mid and being a better AD assassin than the AD assassins? He's literally an AD assassin with hard CC and a better Zed ulti.
: "Pyke can't be a support!"
Who needs HP with 2.5k base HP. Hell build a steraks and maw can you're dead long before you get through his shields.
ProjecL (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2018-05-16T14:27:40.572+0000) > > Everything Irelia does can be avoided though. 3 skills shots and a Q that only really works as an engage if you are standing next to a low health caster minion. > > A 0/10/0 Yas can hit W every team fight and spam his R key and still win fights. > > Also his full build is basically 2 items. > > A 6 item Zed does his shit... meh Zhonyas/GA/exhaust/whatever. > > A 2 item yas tosses a w in front of his ADC and spams his r key waiting on a Trundle pillar from half away across the lane... GG teamfight. > > Not to mention negating half the ultis in the game from ever doing anything on a 20 second CD. Irelia's dash is targeted just like Yasuo. Everything else in Yasuo's kit is dodgeable (Q, Q3, even EQ, his ult can't hit you if you weren't hit by him or his teamates before). You can even aim around his Windwall (most of the time won't get the chance to reposition before the fight is over though) while Irelia's damage reduction cannot be played around.
> [{quoted}](name=ProjecL,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=00010000000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-16T16:37:15.858+0000) > > Irelia's dash is targeted just like Yasuo. Everything else in Yasuo's kit is dodgeable (Q, Q3, even EQ, his ult can't hit you if you weren't hit by him or his teamates before). You can even aim around his Windwall (most of the time won't get the chance to reposition before the fight is over though) while Irelia's damage reduction cannot be played around. The point is Yas doesn't HAVE to land anything. just toss up windwall and spam r until someone on his team lands a knockup. The worse yas player on the planet can win a team fight doing only that. The same cannot be said for irelia.
: > [{quoted}](name=notice me Sin pi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-15T15:05:40.786+0000) > > agreed, rito needs to gut yasuo so that this game does become the right game for most of the playerbase but they just made irelia who is literally the same exact thing, only more user friendly.
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-05-15T21:40:20.309+0000) > > but they just made irelia who is literally the same exact thing, only more user friendly. Everything Irelia does can be avoided though. 3 skills shots and a Q that only really works as an engage if you are standing next to a low health caster minion. A 0/10/0 Yas can hit W every team fight and spam his R key and still win fights. Also his full build is basically 2 items. A 6 item Zed does his shit... meh Zhonyas/GA/exhaust/whatever. A 2 item yas tosses a w in front of his ADC and spams his r key waiting on a Trundle pillar from half away across the lane... GG teamfight. Not to mention negating half the ultis in the game from ever doing anything on a 20 second CD.
WILCKE4 (EUNE)
: IMO he is like old yorick now if you buff him he is OP but he can be made useless easily and just a stun and he is dead. just once pick malzahar aganist him , trust me it is fun.
> [{quoted}](name=WILCKE4,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AALapNfs,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2018-05-16T08:52:23.351+0000) > > IMO he is like old yorick now if you buff him he is OP but he can be made useless easily and just a stun and he is dead. > just once pick malzahar aganist him , trust me it is fun. Tossing up the other champ on the top "has an ability that needs reworked list" aint helping man.
: listing a champions kit is not an argument, you can do that with any champion example: aatrox is so broken !!! a passive ga, free ad and atk speed, an aoe knockup, free healing, free poke, aoe magic damage, even more free ad
> [{quoted}](name=birdanarchy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AALapNfs,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-05-15T17:18:20.118+0000) > > listing a champions kit is not an argument, you can do that with any champion > > example: aatrox is so broken !!! a passive ga, free ad and atk speed, an aoe knockup, free healing, free poke, aoe magic damage, even more free ad Sounds like an easy to kite champ that dies to someone buying an executioners calling. Yas is more like a bunch of other shit + the ability to block 3/4 of the abilities in the game at will and a long range aoe knockuot/shield/armorshred/supression ulti. I'm sorry but have to looked at the other ulti's in this game? Just TRY to justify Caitlyn Ulti vs Yas Ulti. Also how many q-w-e's in the game can block every projectile in the game for zero mana for 4 second while NOONE takes any damage, or gets cc'd. Hell Xin's ULTI is weaker than Yas's W. Yas's Wind wall should only last like 1-2 seconds scaling.. or be something that only effects him...
KZ Engel (NA)
: so what you're saying is.. he's in the process of being nerfed, and this thread is pointless
> [{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=003300000000,timestamp=2018-05-15T22:51:43.663+0000) > > so what you're saying is.. > > he's in the process of being nerfed, and this thread is pointless No what I'm saying is they were nerfing his damage when they should be nerfing his W and ease of R access. For all I care give him more damage.. that's not the issue with the champ.. or why he's being picked to begin with.
KZ Engel (NA)
: i like how my prediction when i first saw conq was correct it's going to break yas in the low and high extremes of gameplay and he's going to get nerfs that he doesn't deserve instead of the actual problem being addressed also, keep in mind his crit cloak spike is being removed, his pd spike is being delayed by 200-300g, his ie spike is being delayed by 300g, he's losing the +50% damage from ie, and his full build is going to be wasting 20% crit wait until the crit changes to see what's going to happen. riot is doing just that, because they know the crit changes are going to have a huge effect on yas
> [{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=0033,timestamp=2018-05-15T21:58:08.591+0000) > > i like how my prediction when i first saw conq was correct > > it's going to break yas in the low and high extremes of gameplay and he's going to get nerfs that he doesn't deserve instead of the actual problem being addressed > > also, keep in mind his crit cloak spike is being removed, his pd spike is being delayed by 200-300g, his ie spike is being delayed by 300g, he's losing the +50% damage from ie, and his full build is going to be wasting 20% crit > > wait until the crit changes to see what's going to happen. riot is doing just that, because they know the crit changes are going to have a huge effect on yas Let's say you have 200 AD and 100% crit with current IE. You will do 500 damage before armor on autos. vs 50 armor ~333 damage on an auto. vs 100 armor ~250 damage on an auto. vs 200 armor ~167 damage on an auto (Not calculating tabis/randuins here.) with conqueror: vs 50 armor ~386 damage vs 100 armor ~300 damage vs 200 armor ~232 damage After IE change vs 50 armor ~294 damage vs 100 armor ~240 damage vs 200 armor ~186 damage with conqueror: vs 50 armor ~316 damage vs 100 armor ~272 damage vs 200 armor ~228 damage He's losing a fair amount of mid late game damage. He's still going to sit it lane and farm for 1/2 the game. He's still going to cockblock ultimates with his W. He's still a source of long duration CC. Neither of those require him to either win lane or actually deal any damage. All the IE nerf is going to change is he "might" need to fit in an extra auto to kill a squishy late game. Against anyone building 1-2 armor items there won't really be a notable difference. Note that I didn't figure his ulti in on this and it WOULD make make a slight difference vs targets with LOTS of armor.
: Yeah the ability to one shot someone has been widened out to other champions. But that's the work of Runes, item changes, overall non stop buffing to underperforming champions instead of nerfing what is strong. Instead of buffing items, or ability damage that are underperforming, they should just nerf damage and buff some resistances to squishies. Like hell, I see people complain about tanks but when ever I pick to play a tank I can't tank anything (3 - 5 Auto's from ADC + 2 abilities from 2 champions and i'm already at 30% health). In this one game I was playing Poppy, and I had 4000k health, 300 MR, 230 Armor and I got melted by an azir in a matter of seconds. All those bonus resistances feel useless and I just essentially feel like a squishy but with extra health. But that's the work of the current powercreep damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oq7qceNv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-15T06:38:25.789+0000) > > Yeah the ability to one shot someone has been widened out to other champions. But that's the work of Runes, item changes, overall non stop buffing to underperforming champions instead of nerfing what is strong. > > Instead of buffing items, or ability damage that are underperforming, they should just nerf damage and buff some resistances to squishies. > > Like hell, I see people complain about tanks but when ever I pick to play a tank I can't tank anything (3 - 5 Auto's from ADC + 2 abilities from 2 champions and i'm already at 30% health). In this one game I was playing Poppy, and I had 4000k health, 300 MR, 230 Armor and I got melted by an azir in a matter of seconds. > > All those bonus resistances feel useless and I just essentially feel like a squishy but with extra health. But that's the work of the current powercreep damage. Hell I was playing WW into an all AD comp.. was like OK I know I'll build armor... yeh bad idea. {{champion:11}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:23}} with conqueror + some misc adc I don't remember. Had {{item:3047}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3748}} {{item:1419}} Ultid in on Yi during his W with my E up right after a full armor/hp tank Ornn ulti landed on 3 champs. Died from raw damage half way during the suppression before fear even landed. I was up on gold/levels.... Orrn died about 2 seconds later.
AxÈ (EUW)
: So now you want to prove your point by linking my op ? I pity you how sad your life must be ;(
> [{quoted}](name=AxÈ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=002f000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-15T19:57:50.195+0000) > > So now you want to prove your point by linking my op ? > I pity you how sad your life must be ;( Point proven.
AxÈ (EUW)
: Windwall has 26 sec cd and yasuo maxes it last so your whole post makes no sense because you dont care if he gets buffs or nerfs you just want attention, a Yasuo main probably destroyed you and now you want to vent right?
> [{quoted}](name=AxÈ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=002f0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-15T19:31:04.531+0000) > > Windwall has 26 sec cd and yasuo maxes it last so your whole post makes no sense because you dont care if he gets buffs or nerfs you just want attention, a Yasuo main probably destroyed you and now you want to vent right? 16 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 6/4/2 151 11.6k 32:36 15/5/2018 12 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 8/5/5 111 10.0k 22:59 15/5/2018 15 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 3/6/0 221 10.9k 27:52 14/5/2018 17 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 13/10/14 217 16.3k 33:53 14/5/2018 13 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 9/0/3 134 10.5k 22:47 14/5/2018 13 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 7/10/1 96 7.8k 23:59 12/5/2018 16 Darius Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 12/8/6 200 14.2k 29:02 11/5/2018 15 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 12/6/5 174 13.6k 27:41 11/5/2018 15 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 6/2/4 160 11.6k 29:22 10/5/2018 13 Ekko Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 8/5/2 108 9.7k 25:47 10/5/2018 18 Draven Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 17/12/10 194 18.0k 37:07 10/5/2018 13 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 7/11/1 115 8.8k 25:37 10/5/2018 10 Master Yi Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 0/11/3 91 5.4k 19:22 10/5/2018 15 Kayn Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 11/6/5 154 12.0k 28:58 9/5/2018 11 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 2/7/1 112 6.0k 21:13 2/5/2018 12 Zed Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 12/1/5 95 9.3k 18:33 1/5/2018 11 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 6/1/3 93 6.9k 15:21 1/5/2018 17 Rengar Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 9/13/12 157 14.7k 38:29 30/4/2018 18 Jhin Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 21/10/9 233 20.7k 37:48 29/4/2018 13 Draven Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 6/6/6 167 12.4k 31:04 29/4/2018 13 Gangplank Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 7/0/2 106 9.0k 20:24 28/4/2018 18 Rengar Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 23/13/5 231 21.8k 46:46 28/4/2018 13 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 12/6/2 152 11.6k 27:07 26/4/2018 13 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 4/10/5 152 9.6k 26:11 26/4/2018 15 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 5/9/1 200 10.5k 29:07 25/4/2018 14 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 9/5/11 121 10.8k 23:08 25/4/2018 15 Yasuo Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 10/5/12 157 12.2k 24:59 24/4/2018 18 Twisted Fate Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 2/11/17 194 13.6k 41:09 24/4/2018 13 Riven Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 0/10/2 144 7.6k 29:08 24/4/2018 14 Rengar Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 7/5/4 119 10.9k 31:01 23/4/2018 13 Draven Summoner's Rift Ranked (Draft Mode) 7/7/5 202 13.7k 31:51 23/4/2018 Yep he's one of those guys. Spams the same AD champs and insists that mages are fine and AD's suck. {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:92}} ^Why are all people that play those assholes? lol
AxÈ (EUW)
: Yeah than tell me with solid arguments why yasuo should be nerfed its the first time since his release he is viable in pro play and will be gutted next patch
> [{quoted}](name=AxÈ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=002f00000000,timestamp=2018-05-15T18:49:27.513+0000) > > Yeah than tell me with solid arguments why yasuo should be nerfed its the first time since his release he is viable in pro play and will be gutted next patch Because the vast majority of players find him unfun to play against. I frankly don't care if they "buff" him and he has a 55% win rate.. as long as he doesn't make me want to leave the game every time I need to ban whatever is broken the current patch.. and can't ban him. Windwall is simply the least fun ability in the game to deal with. It invalidates entire classes of champions who get reduced to sitting around hoping he fucks up and uses it at the wrong time.
AxÈ (EUW)
: pick or ban are you retarded? man these people just want to force nerfs for no reason.
> [{quoted}](name=AxÈ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=002f,timestamp=2018-05-15T17:15:26.780+0000) > > pick or ban are you retarded? > man these people just want to force nerfs for no reason. The title served it's purpose. It's marketing 101. I mean it got you here didn't it? Student of the SoloRenektonOnly school of clickbait.
Skynix (NA)
: Silver 2 ummmmmmmmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
> [{quoted}](name=Skynix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=0030,timestamp=2018-05-15T17:55:14.609+0000) > > Silver 2 ummmmmmmmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Yep I'm the average LoL player. Side effect of being in my late 30's I can't keep up with you youngins.
: Unpopular opinion alert: I don’t think Yasuo’s OP, but yeah the fact that level 1 windwall lasts longer than max rank {{champion:25}} Q is pretty stupid. Surprised riot didn’t make the windwal time scale up and compensate him with more health/health regain yet.
> [{quoted}](name=jocomotion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=002c,timestamp=2018-05-15T14:40:08.325+0000) > > Unpopular opinion alert: I don’t think Yasuo’s OP, but yeah the fact that level 1 windwall lasts longer than max rank {{champion:25}} Q is pretty stupid. > > Surprised riot didn’t make the windwal time scale up and compensate him with more health/health regain yet. Honestly I'd be fine with more damage on his Q... if windwall duration was lowered OR his ulti could only be used off his own empowered Q OR some of the armor shred on his ulti was reduced. Another thought would be for his Windwall to USE 100 flow as a cost to activate.
Eponine9 (NA)
: Yasuo hate bandwagon incoming to support some factually wrong post about Yasuo. What's new? Look, I'm not a Yasuo main. He's not my favorite champion by far, but if he got nerfed he would be out of the game. He's currently wielding a 49% win rate, which is balanced if you ask me. And he DOES have counter-play, it's just hard for some people to realize. Also, Yasuo isn't pick/ban in professional play. Today at MSI, he was banned in 3 out of 6 games, and not picked in the other three. That's 50%. So that hyperbole of yours is out the window. Don't base your claims on just one day of pro-play. People were confused and angry when Poppy, who had a 49% win rate as well, got nerfed. Now she's further down in the tier list, upsetting Poppy players. Rework him if he's too 'annoying' to play against. Nerfing him would just be disrespectful to those who like playing Yasuo.
> [{quoted}](name=Eponine9,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dc5yq3i9,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2018-05-14T21:34:54.411+0000) > > Yasuo hate bandwagon incoming to support some factually wrong post about Yasuo. > > What's new? > > Look, I'm not a Yasuo main. He's not my favorite champion by far, but if he got nerfed he would be out of the game. He's currently wielding a 49% win rate, which is balanced if you ask me. And he DOES have counter-play, it's just hard for some people to realize. > > Also, Yasuo isn't pick/ban in professional play. Today at MSI, he was banned in 3 out of 6 games, and not picked in the other three. That's 50%. So that hyperbole of yours is out the window. Don't base your claims on just one day of pro-play. > > People were confused and angry when Poppy, who had a 49% win rate as well, got nerfed. Now she's further down in the tier list, upsetting Poppy players. Rework him if he's too 'annoying' to play against. Nerfing him would just be disrespectful to those who like playing Yasuo. He has a low win rate because he's extremely popular and a champ that gets banned constantly. Thus a lot of people play him that have very few games on him just because he's "cool." If you look at his win rate for people with 200+ games on him... it's 56%.... Which for the record is higher than Orianna and Ryze. (If still lower than Malz.) That number is still skewed by the hordes of people that still spam him every game even if they are bad at him however. He's the second most banned champ in league and still has a 56% win rate by people that main him. In other words.. he's good.. popular... and hated by those that don't play him. That seems to the general logic behind champion changes.
: Now that Yasuo has reached pick or ban status in pro play...
Inc downvotes from salty Yas mains that know it's coming...
Rioter Comments
: Some of these discussions are so low on level...
^ Making 75% of the champion pool unfun to play just some some Yasou circle jerk mains can enjoy ruining games... 100% not worth. They should rework him into a zero mobility mage.
Micbran (NA)
: It’s likely they want 4 keystones for every tree... so it’s here to stay.
> [{quoted}](name=Micbran,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EZARHyiB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-10T16:50:07.880+0000) > > It’s likely they want 4 keystones for every tree... so it’s here to stay. Sorcery could really use an anti tank rune to help mages deal with tanks...
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