Rioter Comments
: 9.5: Lore Update
Sona lore update please! With what Jhin says to her and the recent Morgana rework, I want to see how Sona feels. How does her Soul "sing for a fallen world". She's mute, but how does she suffer or feel. She was abandoned and left a magical instrument in Demacia, but she's Ionian.
: It doesn't load, you just have to deal with it or go to artists main page. This bug has been there for years thats why no one bothers to look at it now much less report a bug about it. Riot doesn't really fix things anymore.
welp. I remember it working for me a while back. T0T. oh man
Rioter Comments
: ... What
> [{quoted}](name=Mounting Dread,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=y2RY4FHO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-26T11:26:19.774+0000) > > ... What Same. I am confused with what solution they are proposing when this person is constantly contradicting themselves. {{sticker:sg-janna}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Calamitosus Cini,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3vNVGEz,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-26T03:54:24.007+0000) > > He was exposed. He was secretly a misogynist. You mean a misandrist?
> [{quoted}](name=TwinkiePro,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3vNVGEz,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-26T04:13:00.022+0000) > > You mean a misandrist? That's someone who heavily dislikes men and doesn't respect them tho.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=crlQo6E2,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-26T00:20:30.414+0000) > > My bad I got confused with the wrong skin. I wish they kept her white hair. To me the way her hair is done and the makeup looks like a jojo character. New blade mistress is the Morgana skin for you, clearly.
I'm kinda meh with it. I bought blackthorn instead.
: Trying to take back the term KYS, by turning it into something else...
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=crlQo6E2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-25T06:39:16.337+0000) > > Sombra has hacked into the new rework. It actually looks a lot like Moira.
My bad I got confused with the wrong skin. I wish they kept her white hair. To me the way her hair is done and the makeup looks like a jojo character.
: I'm not really sure what they were trying for either with the cyberpunky hairdo and the tattoos, and this charcoal colored horizontal line across the eyes certainly seems to be in lately. I do like the dark grey accents on the costume, but I don't think I'm going to consider exiled "my" skin anymore the way I used to. Might do blackthorn more now that it looks like that one is getting a big upgrade.
Sombra has hacked into the new rework.
: Exiled Morganna
I love the new rework update because she doesn't look like a walking tent, but some of the skin updates are weird because I don't think her slit is necessary? Like I don't want her Bewitching skin to change, the ballgown animation for that skin was actually the best and massive floof!{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=00160000,timestamp=2019-02-25T04:59:09.959+0000) > > Hm. I think I should've written this differently and not so bluntly. My own "biases and prejudices" are due in part due to how most games nowadays, including League have a tendency, intentional or not, to vastly consist of western descent and I'm not at all calling Riot racist for that. Never have I ever said that. > > I get that diversity is a touchy issue, but I don't like how people are bashing me on this forum by assuming what I believe or said when I never said it. My beliefs are being generalized and I wanted to have a conversation and people have just been calling me an idiot, a SJW, and a sexist/racist. > > When I said, "Tired of Pasty, White Champions", you took that statement out of context and cherrypicked it from my argument where I later explained that at least for me, League's recent champs have been made for convenience and suffer a bit for being a bit too homogenous. > > And > > When I said,"unfeminine appearance and personality, which makes her totally bomb" about Illaoi that doesn't mean this > > "I love her body type there should only be masculine-like female characters from now on and fuck all those slim-bodied female League Champs and there shouldn't be any of them anymore. " > > What I meant by that statement is that her untraditional feminine design in contrast to society's expectations of women and League's universe is what makes her unique in the League universe and vilifies her role as a Top champion because she was designed to take and inflict as much damage for the team. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} Cherrypicked? It's the title of your post, in which you refer to "pasty white" champions. The equivalent for darker skin would be something like "soot black." Does that sound okay to you? "I'm tired of soot black characters"? Sounds fine? Doesn't sound fine to me. Sounds pretty damn racist. Why is not being feminine "bomb"? Is there something wrong with being feminine? I don't think there is. Please reexamine your perspective and take some more time to marshal your thoughts before you post racist, sexist rants to Boards. We do not need that.
I just explained my femininity argument twice already. For the last time, there is not anything wrong with being feminine or looking feminine, and behaving feminine. Illaoi is not TRADITIONALLY feminine by our _own_ societal standards or League's normal trope of slim females (being slim, caring, seductress, or femme fatale) her femininity is transformed into another one that is untraditionally feminine and it's just as empowering as the other League female champs. Her version of femininity and power stands out in comparison because she's the only champ that is herself, but her femininity does not mean it's better than the other feminine female League champs. Femininity is powerful and shouldn't be put in a box and I'm praising Illaoi's untraditional approach as of what femininity can also be as an example because it explores another aspect of femininity that people don't normally find appealing. Never did I say traditional forms of femininity can suck it and being an untraditionally feminine is better. Both are bomb and females should just be appreciated in general for whatever they do.
: I see. Still, I'm not sure why she should be included in this discussion, as she is no longer an organic life form, and I don't think the color of her metal should matter. Also, you realize that Neeko is a chameleon, right? Her appearance is an ever-changing thing, and I think her actual appearance is more along the lines of Illaoi in terms of skin color, since she is most likely from a tropical island. Her voice actress is also Brazilian to my knowledge, which is honestly a huge step up from her being played by someone who is white.
Despite her not being an organic life-form, her appearance is still heavily-based on her humanoid form where she had blonde hair and blue eyes presumably. And I didn't know that about Neeko, but I do now. I know that going into this discussion there would be some margin of error 3.5+/-, but that's actually really nice to know about her. Also, thanks for being so cordial and civil on this thread. Much appreciated. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: "Tired of Pasty, White Champions" That's a racist thing to say. "unfeminine appearance and personality, which makes her totally bomb" That's a sexist thing to say. You might want to take a long, hard look at your own biases and prejudices.
Hm. I think I should've written this differently and not so bluntly. My own "biases and prejudices" are due in part due to how most games nowadays, including League have a tendency, intentional or not, to vastly consist of western descent and I'm not at all calling Riot racist for that. Never have I ever said that. I get that diversity is a touchy issue, but I don't like how people are bashing me on this forum by assuming what I believe or said when I never said it. My beliefs are being generalized and I wanted to have a conversation and people have just been calling me an idiot, a SJW, and a sexist/racist. When I said, "Tired of Pasty, White Champions", you took that statement out of context and cherrypicked it from my argument where I later explained that at least for me, League's recent champs have been made for convenience and suffer a bit for being a bit too homogenous. And When I said,"unfeminine appearance and personality, which makes her totally bomb" about Illaoi that doesn't mean this "I love her body type there should only be masculine-like female characters from now on and fuck all those slim-bodied female League Champs and there shouldn't be any of them anymore. " What I meant by that statement is that her untraditional feminine design in contrast to society's expectations of women and League's universe is what makes her unique in the League universe and vilifies her role as a Top champion because she was designed to take and inflict as much damage for the team. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-02-24T23:11:59.554+0000) > > Freedom of speech is a gift. Even your hate speech is free speech and it's protected. I didn't say anything hateful or demeaning at all and not specifically at you, but you don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. Don't attack me as a person as you did me. > > However, you assume less of my drawing abilities without seeing my art (LOL), but since you think you are better than me or less than without knowing me at all, let me ask you a question. Can you draw? Can you make a champion? Can you 3-D render? Can you animate? Can you sit in on observational drawing sessions where people are nude to understand basic human anatomy? Can you storyboard? Can you draft different concepts of designs and then mesh them together for a final product? Can you? Yet your chosen defense is to call someone else's thoughts hate speech. The only person bringing race or anything up was YOU. How fucking self centered do you have to be? Someone disagrees with you (even if their words are harsh) you try to label it as hate speech??? Attention seeking sjw, all you are and all you'll ever be to this world. It's sad. It's pathetic. Let people enjoy their video game. And again THE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS inside the game. I'm honestly surprised as well that this race baiting trash thread hasn't been deleted long earlier.
> [{quoted}](name=CuppHead,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-02-24T22:14:46.828+0000) > > I'm genuinely curious how your stupid and ignorant post hasn't been removed yet. Let alone, you couldn't even design a champion if they gave you a paper and pencil. Get a fucking grip and stop bringing race into everything. People like you don't deserve to have an opinion. > The only person bringing race or anything up was YOU. How fucking self centered do you have to be? > Someone disagrees with you (even if their words are harsh) you try to label it as hate speech??? > > Attention seeking sjw, all you are and all you'll ever be to this world. It's sad. It's pathetic. Let people enjoy their video game. And again THE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS inside the game. > > I'm honestly surprised as well that this race baiting trash thread hasn't been deleted long earlier. You literally just said "I'm genuinely curious how your stupid and ignorant post hasn't been removed yet", and " People like you don't deserve to have an opinion", and " Attention seeking sjw" to belittle my intelligence and character and pigeon hole it into one category to make any arguments that I made invalid and to shut me up. Do I get that it's a game at the end of the day and they need to make money on a fictional franchise. Absolutely. Is their room for improvement so the game can flourish, absolutely. Do I see it happening ever in the future, probably not because I know that at the end of the day Riot is a company and they need to make money and they can't make everyone happy. I am just voicing out my personal opinion, and you're attacking the integrity of my character and intelligence and not the argument I made. Anyway, have a good day, and good luck on the rift because these elo updates are killer. {{sticker:sona-playing}}
: I am wishing some Piltovian or Zaunite champion with Ionian ancestors. Preferably female, but doesn't have to be, of course. Piltover and Zaun are supposed to be cultural melting pots in Runeterra, but the only example of that we have in the champion roster right now is Ekko. {{champion:245}} And an ugly chembaroness would be absolutely awesome.
Oh that'd be totally rad! I really do like Camille and Urgot, but it'd be cool to more chembaron/baronesses. Cyborgs are always a simple, concept, but you can do so much with them and how parts should function and be weapons. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: I don't understand your logic of how some born and raised Ionians are white while others aren't. And Orianna is a robot. What do you want her creator to do? Paint her a different color? Use different colored metal? And I'm pretty sure Pyke is black/the same race as Illaoi.
Orianna's lore. She met contact her some toxin in Zaun helping those impoverished and her organs started failing, so her father made her a robotic body from her human-likeness and her human heart (I believe) still intact.
Janúary (NA)
: I'm genuinely curious how your stupid and ignorant post hasn't been removed yet. Let alone, you couldn't even design a champion if they gave you a paper and pencil. Get a fucking grip and stop bringing race into everything. People like you don't deserve to have an opinion.
Freedom of speech is a gift. Even your hate speech is free speech and it's protected. I didn't say anything hateful or demeaning at all and not specifically at you, but you don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. Don't attack me as a person as you did me. However, you assume less of my drawing abilities without seeing my art (LOL), but since you think you are better than me or less than without knowing me at all, let me ask you a question. Can you draw? Can you make a champion? Can you 3-D render? Can you animate? Can you sit in on observational drawing sessions where people are nude to understand basic human anatomy? Can you storyboard? Can you draft different concepts of designs and then mesh them together for a final product? Can you?
: > I don't think to ask for more diverse looking champs is bad, people of different backgrounds all play league and art is based on reality. Sometimes art does reflect reality, but not always. Let me ask you something, you mentioned before that people of different backgrounds play league. And if diversity is such a problem as you've mentioned then wouldn't the playerbase of league be similarly hued just like the champions you claim are pasty white? The thing is, that it doesn't matter. Regular people don't look at skin color. I don't look at skin color when I play champions, I play them because I find them fun. I don't see a hispanic champion in the game, should I be offended? Should I demand Riot makes a hispanic champion? No, because that's not important. People should be free to create the art that they want to make without other people breathing down their neck demanding they fill race quotas. It's ridiculous. But to bring it back people of different backgrounds already play league, they didn't need champions of their race to draw them in.
This could just be me and how I was presenting my argument, but I'm not asking for a diversity quota. Never did I say that. Ever. I'm not trying to nitpick you and you've actually been one of the few people on this forum who have been the most kind and thoughtful. I know I made an argument based on the lack of diversity in the champ select, but never did I say let's hire people of color to do diverse champs in League and never did I say there needs to be a quota. The reason, I made a drafted version of champs to show how many champs, design-wise, pass as white and in comparison, champs don't pass as white out of the 143. I know that the argument I presented is sensitive and they don't do well on these boards, but with the argument I presented, I would appreciate if certain things linked to diverse representation were not something I presumably believe. I don't believe in a diversity quota, nor do I believe that people of color should be hired to make more diverse champs. That's tokenism and also isn't solving anything. Jobs should be given on a meritocracy and experience. It'd be stupid to have a quota, and that would be forced tokenism in the League Champ select to have a so-and-so character because we need to be "politically correct" and represent this community. I don't believe that because it'd be forced. Designs should happen because they happen, which I agree with you. This post was meant to be, overall, a call out to Riot's biases, known or unknown, that they made consciously or unconsciously making. Riot is also rumored to be very unkind to their artists, and I just hope that their creative insight is not being snuffed either due to capitalist demands. And I find League fun and I love the game. I wouldn't play champs just because of the way they looked. The reason why I'm so peeved about the recent champs is also due in part, of how they look the same. I want to go into an art job, but all too recently I've been hearing how artistic insight has been snuffed out for capitalist gain.
: > However, going back to Lux and Ahri as my examples, their body types are slim but Illaoi is the only female who has a very muscular and traditionally unfeminine appearance and personality, which makes her totally bomb. So why would you put more resources into something that is not profitable? > create champs that are unappealing problem is, they tend to be unpopular. I mean, we have champs like singed, fiddle, mundo, but even those champs get more idealized nowadays. Just compare old galio and urgot to their new iterations. It´s the same problem I face as a zilean main. He is a niche champ, is not marketable and therefore doesn´t get supported and I wouldn´t expect Riot to cater to my interests in that case. They could still throw us a bone from time to time <.<
Galio needed that rework though, he wasn't usable anymore and I forgot that he existed. T0T. He did look like a sad lizard, but his kit, appearance, and lore all go well together now and fits in with the lore of Demacia's righteousness and glory. Oh man, Zilean does need some love, when people know how to harass with him, it is annoying and awesome at the same time. I remember I was watching this video, and the Xayah pulled through in a team fight and they won, but her support Nautilas brought a minion with Zilean's bomb on it and she died in one burst.
: You've actually got something wrong with your head if you think Ahri is a "Pasty White Champion" that you can use in your argument. Also you're wrong on so many of those champions. Syndra is from Ionia. Sona has an unclear background. You counted fucking YORDLES as "White Males", like Corki. I can't understand what the fuck you were thinking making this post.
Should probably rename this post because it seems I'm causing confusion. Whoops, I guess that statistic about Corki shouldn't be included, then mb. He just looks like a small man to me and not a Yordle. I knew that some of my estimates were going to be off, it's called a margin of error. 3.5+/- room for a percent due to how some of the champs I couldn't detect what they were. And it appears no one read my arguments. Plural. I complained about diversity and making skins and champs out of convenience for capitalistic gain and because it's easy to dish them out. Ahri isn't a "Pasty White Champion". Yeah, I know that. I'm Chinese and Thai, I know how to detect other Asians from other people. If you read my argument at all, instead of the header and skimming through, my other argument amongst the other arguments in this post was that Ahri's design was an homage to South Korea's servers, which is fine and really honorable, but Riot knew she would be a great product to the Korean eSports League. Look at how many skins have been dished out due to her marketable aspect and bringing in the most convenient way for revenue. Meanwhile, some champs haven't gotten a skin in 2+ years due in part of how it's not easy, not in meta, or not popular enough.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T20:52:13.668+0000) > > Kayle face ain't gonna be hidden anymore. that rework coming out soon fam. She got that neck tho. That's why i said "old Kayle". I hate her new design.
Her kit looks better now and you can use her again. Her ult has a dual function.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-24T20:51:05.759+0000) > > Why would I dump my precious toxic trash game I love living with for a confusing replacement landfill. So, a game with characters like Medusa, Broodmother, Winter Wyvern, Pac, Io, Dark Willow and lack of "boring white characters" is a confusing replacement landfill even though it has been created almost at the same time as League of Legends and even earlier? Were you even willing to give it a try? >League is better gameplay wise and I've made some acquaintances and great friends from League.{{sticker:sg-syndra} Well, judging from your post, it doesn't look like you have much fun in League. And in today's game market, when people don't have fun with the game, they leave it for another game.
Tried Dota, and I got confused and I still love League. Again, just peeved at the recent champ releases, looking the same. I have friends from League and cosplay from it, and when I said "why would I dump my precious toxic trash game I love living with for a confusing replacement landfill", it's because League has better gameplay, entertaining, and the memes from League are too good. I'm not just in it for the champs, which my argument has been just reduced to, but okay cool.
: But that's the issue: it shouldn't be a race thing. We're talking art depicting a fictional world with freaking *CHIMERA PEOPLE* and *ARMORED FREAKIN BEARS THAT TALK*, why can't we have nice things without someone crying about whitewashing?
Fictional worlds are based on some fundamental truth of our society. Read the Chronicles of Narnia or Lord of the Rings? Well, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien were huge ass nerds and besties and their stories were based on reality and the fictional-reality about Christianity and look at the world and fanbase they created because of the reality they lived in. Also... I never EVER said League whitewashes? Whitewashing would be having the champ select be entirely white or have white people mimicking people of color or other diverse backgrounds, which would be appropriation and Riot would be crucified for that. I know Riot doesn't whitewash. They have an issue, recently, with making the last 5 champions, excluding reworks, white due in part that A) artistically it's easy to make white skin, so there's a convenience factor B) If the market isn't there, why do it? Example, Ahri she was made for when the Korean servers came out and she's been a basis of marketing for the Korean eSports League, especially with her K/DA skins. C) Skins for slim female champs are easy to make and champs like Illaoi don't get skins as frequently because of how the champ's body was made, despite her usage in lane to be effective and popular. This isn't just a lack of diversity within League's Champion select, it's the lack of artistic creativity and freedom that is pushed to the side for a "safe" and "convenient" approach for the company's capitalist gains. At the end of the day, we can't play League without a champion to select and the patches changing things in the game to urge us to try something new. The new champs kits are bomb as fuck, but staying safe and making sure human/humanoid characters are appealing is a factor, as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-24T20:51:05.759+0000) > > Why would I dump my precious toxic trash game I love living with for a confusing replacement landfill. League is better gameplay wise and I've made some acquaintances and great friends from League.{{sticker:sg-syndra}} Because it has all the designs that you mentioned. Therefore it is better for you. But somehow you don't practice what you preach.
Dota has the same qualms I said about League, too. Love the cool ghoulish creatures, human/humanoid can have some more creative insight. Also, again, League has better gameplay and all my friends play League. I'm not going to entirely leave League because "it's not politically correct enough" for me. I love the game and all the champs, just hate how the new ones have been designed recently.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WTnFE1Er,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-24T20:12:20.896+0000) > > Kaisai, Xayah, and Katarina all look like they can be related. LOL. Yeah, that's actually one of my main gripes of modern champions. They all look almost the same. Sylas looks like Kayn, Rakan, etc. That's why i like champs that have hidden their features. Like old Kayle, Jhin and Pyke.
Kayle face ain't gonna be hidden anymore. that rework coming out soon fam. She got that neck tho.
: >Do more gross looking girls, do more less masculine men, create men who are not the warrior-type, create more champs with prosthetics (Urgot), create champs with disabilities, create champs that are unappealing but fun for both genders, create champs that don't have gender/ identify with one. Create something new. Surprise us. Dota 2 literally has them all. Why are you still here?
Why would I dump my precious toxic trash game I love living with for a confusing replacement landfill. League is better gameplay wise and I've made some acquaintances and great friends from League.{{sticker:sg-syndra}}
Kalikain (NA)
: Go play club penguin, where there are only penguins.
: Seems like the issue is with you projecting and not with Riot
Lmao called out. That's fine. I get it, it's a game, why should representation matter- IT'S A GAME. I guess my perspective is different and I do sound like a triggered liberal snowflake (Tried not to, but here I am T0T) because I am in art school. Game wise and mechanic wise, the game is great and creative. And I haven't dropped League for Overwatch or Fortnight. I love Sylas and I can't wait for the Morgana and Kayle rework. Except for Yasuo and Heimer, those champs can suck it and be deleted from the roster for being braindead and requiring little to no skill. My main issue is, everyone looks the same and the skins for certain champs are being produced for capitalist gain, rather than creative gain.
: its a game diversity doesnt matter and its annoying as hell since it just devolves everything into politics
Which is sad that it has to devolve into something political. I don't think to ask for more diverse looking champs is bad, people of different backgrounds all play league and art is based on reality. Like pay homage to your community? Riot didn't have a problem with paying homage to Korea making Ahri, but they knew it would be a good investment to make her once the Korean servers came up, since Korea's gaming business is flourishing.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: They don't NEED to. I wouldn't care if my champion is black or not, i just want their visual and gameplay design to fit in the League. But it's true that many champs suffer from the sameface syndrome, and i would like Riot to change that, but it wouldn't matter all that much.
: You wanna know why anime characters are all white like that? It's because it's easier to artistically preserve a lighter skin tone, as trying to make the tone darker can lose a lot of the details. The same is true in champions...that's why even Lucian looks more of a milk chocolate than a dark chocolate. It's got nothing to do with race. Though I admit, body type is a completely artistic area that often becomes a selling point. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here.
It's a bit of a race thing for me, and a bit of an art thing for me as well. It's not hard to make a darker skin tone, it's just art education never highlights on how to teach it and art studios lack people of color themselves. (*ahem Disney) Artists of color know what do to because they create work that represents themselves and their communities and they had to turn to art that wasn't Euro-centric. Look up Kehende Wiley, he's a painter who focuses on African-American bodies and exhibits his paintings where traditional European paintings would be to point out the erasure and lack of black representation in history. Again, not hard, it's laziness and being safe in the market. If Rihanna can figure out how to make 40 shades of different foundation and be successful, artists can figure out how to get different skin tones right. #colortheory Also anime characters are based on Japanese anime. Japan and other Asian cultures have been ingrained to think that lighter skin is beautiful due to it being a socio-economic symbol of status throughout history. Your pale, oh then you didn't work on the farmlands and have tanned skin if you were a peasant. Western beauty standards just further vilify the fact that white skin is better.
Rioter Comments
: Skin suggestions for the new Vladimir skin
Dear Riot, I'm a big vampire fan. Like old-fashioned, fanged vampires. Not the Twilight and Vampire Diaries type. Anyway, how Bram Stoker's famous Dracula came to be so popular and frightening at the time was because it's a Gothic horror. Gothic horror at the time drew on the fears people were scared at the time in the Victorian Era such as evolution and the Women's Suffrage/Rights. Evolution- Dracula was able to shapeshift Women's rights- the Bride's of Dracula were sexual, something abhorred in the Victorian era. Lucy in the story was a very sensual woman and was punished for it in the end by being turned. Mina, the example of a subservient wife was saved by the actions of good men in the end. I know this is a lot of information, but using this in mind. Maybe do something about Vlad using his enemies fear, something that belongs to an enemy like their blood and soul against them. Have a skin where Vlad feeds or absorbs on the fear of his enemy, instead of their soul or blood, and then uses their fear in the form of an essence or shape some sort back at them. And maybe for certain enemies, for those in Noxus, they have special fears that are animated when you interact with Vlad in this skin. Maybe for Darius, his fear is being taunted by his former lover dying. Swain losing his harm and losing all power. Katarina losing Garen. It's a thought or maybe playing with fear as a concept is something that can be played with when thinking about the Conquerer Skin.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Derp Empress,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HfkYKarE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-03-18T03:57:58.410+0000) > > I know Conquerer Vlad is what would suit best, considering his lore and color palette and all, but his skins are heavily too related to Bram Stoker's Dracula with Blood Lord, Nosferatu, and having a Conquerer Vlad skin would be too cliche.If there was a Conquerer Vlad Skin I would think back to Dracula or Vlad the Impaler, both of which were Conquerers fighting to expand their territory. Also, I can see a reference to Anne Rice's character Lestat de Lioncourt in Marquis Vlad. There are just way too many vampire related skins to other vampire related popular media. PLEASE make something else. > > Also, a lot of reasons why people may find the Vlad skins "bad" is because of how cliche they can be with relating to some sort of vampire material and because of the colors in some of them. Not only that, but I think people want more variety when he dishes out his abilities. For instance, Soul Stealer Vlad blood is green. That's cool I like that, the color scheme is different, it relates to draining the life of someone, and the colors are great. > > There are so many champs that have special cool effects to champs, but some champs have very few. Ahri and Lux are an example, have so many skins where they get the cool ability aesthetics, but some champs don't even have one special skin. I'm a Leona main, and so far the only special visual aesthetics I see are in Project: Leona and Iron Solari (but only when she ults), but when she dishes out her attacks for abilities in her other skins, they are shown from that of her default skin. > > I like the idea of a Pool Party skin because of the visual potential it might hold in a game and it's something different. However, as you said you wanted something to fit his lore. > > This is a stretch and can relate to Vlad, but maybe a Demon Vlad skin or something of the sort with bat wings? Again, maybe a bit cliche, but hear me out. Maybe have him have wings, or when he has his passive, it's a bat, or when he turns into blood, he turns into a sea of black bats, etc. This is a cliche idea, but just throwing it out there, but there is a visual aesthetic that can be played with. > > Or... if you want to play on the funny side... WINE VLAD. Have him turn into a pool of purple wine and carry a glass in lane. And when he expels "blood" it can be globs wine or grapes. > > In short, take my suggestions or others as well as our advice. But I think what people, such as myself, want from future champ skins is new visual aesthetics in game for a champ like Vlad that barely has any, compared to other midlane champs such as Ahri and Lux, who have wayyyyyyyy too many. Moreover, give us as something that isn't related to some vampire lore or story, whether it be from Dracula, Vlad the Impaler, or some other vampire inspiration. Conquerer Vlad just sounds way too easy to make and it will probably link back to the others or my fear is that it may look like the new Swain rework. > > But good luck, Riot Concept Artists and Programmers! Ya'll can think of something. Don't know why anyone downvoted you, you really went into depth and I agree on some points. But, the reason why I thought of Conqueror Vlad is not that it would fit him because it would be badass, I just think the color palette would fit him and how I could see the typical garments of Conqueror would look on him. I would love something else for Vladimir though, something unique as I agree all of his skins is basically centered around being a Vampire besides Soulstealer, I just don't want to see Pool Party because I think it just wouldn't look very good, this is just my opinion, if he doesn't get a visual update for his other skins, I just want a skin for him that makes him feel badass, and the closest thing we have to that is Blood Lord, and I am a huge enthusiast for updating Blood Lord, which if it won't happen, I would really just like a lore skin in Modern League's art because none of his models are "modern league", and I simply just want to know what it would look like. Pool Party Vladimir wouldn't capitalize on that because it would just be a goofy skin, not saying it's a bad idea because I think a goofy skin for Vlad could be a cool idea, but I just want to see a modern day Vladimir in something that fits him as a champion.
Lol, I think I may have downvoted myself at first because I thought it was an arrow key to go down to other comments >~< Lmao. But yeah... If they could make Conquerer Vlad happen without any vampy aesthetics and make it look cool as his own original character as a hemomancer , instead of a bloodsucking vampire that would be great, and make him look badass that would be terrific. _****He needs some skin attention. Rioto pls.** **_
: Skin suggestions for the new Vladimir skin
I know Conquerer Vlad is what would suit best, considering his lore and color palette and all, but his skins are heavily too related to Bram Stoker's Dracula with Blood Lord, Nosferatu, and having a Conquerer Vlad skin would be too cliche.If there was a Conquerer Vlad Skin I would think back to Dracula or Vlad the Impaler, both of which were Conquerers fighting to expand their territory. Also, I can see a reference to Anne Rice's character Lestat de Lioncourt in Marquis Vlad. There are just way too many vampire related skins to other vampire related popular media. PLEASE make something else. Also, a lot of reasons why people may find the Vlad skins "bad" is because of how cliche they can be with relating to some sort of vampire material and because of the colors in some of them. Not only that, but I think people want more variety when he dishes out his abilities. For instance, Soul Stealer Vlad blood is green. That's cool I like that, the color scheme is different, it relates to draining the life of someone, and the colors are great. There are so many champs that have special cool effects to champs, but some champs have very few. Ahri and Lux are an example, have so many skins where they get the cool ability aesthetics, but some champs don't even have one special skin. I'm a Leona main, and so far the only special visual aesthetics I see are in Project: Leona and Iron Solari (but only when she ults), but when she dishes out her attacks for abilities in her other skins, they are shown from that of her default skin. I like the idea of a Pool Party skin because of the visual potential it might hold in a game and it's something different. However, as you said you wanted something to fit his lore. This is a stretch and can relate to Vlad, but maybe a Demon Vlad skin or something of the sort with bat wings? Again, maybe a bit cliche, but hear me out. Maybe have him have wings, or when he has his passive, it's a bat, or when he turns into blood, he turns into a sea of black bats, etc. This is a cliche idea, but just throwing it out there, but there is a visual aesthetic that can be played with. Or... if you want to play on the funny side... WINE VLAD. Have him turn into a pool of purple wine and carry a glass in lane. And when he expels "blood" it can be globs wine or grapes. In short, take my suggestions or others as well as our advice. But I think what people, such as myself, want from future champ skins is new visual aesthetics in game for a champ like Vlad that barely has any, compared to other midlane champs such as Ahri and Lux, who have wayyyyyyyy too many. Moreover, give us as something that isn't related to some vampire lore or story, whether it be from Dracula, Vlad the Impaler, or some other vampire inspiration. Conquerer Vlad just sounds way too easy to make and it will probably link back to the others or my fear is that it may look like the new Swain rework. But good luck, Riot Concept Artists and Programmers! Ya'll can think of something.

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