: Chat restricted for THIS? (link in post)
>Rarok Armcrush: noc leave the gane Rarok Armcrush: so we can remnakes Rarok Armcrush: It'\s already gg noc stole the jg buff Rarok Armcrush: Noc let's feed the lane Rarok Armcrush: It's gg you're useless in lane Rarok Armcrush: stole the jg buff AND useless in lane Rarok Armcrush: reported noc Rarok Armcrush: stole his red buff it was gg bro Constantly harassing your Nocturne--who seems to have already been having a bad game--would be a good starting point for where you went wrong.
: Nope, first punishment I've ever had. Off of one game.
> [{quoted}](name=Phoneutria,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=n72nFZZl,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-25T04:32:36.695+0000)Nope, first punishment I've ever had. Off of one game. If you got a chat restriction, this seems plausible, as it was likely one recent game, but enough of a backlog that the punishment triggered. If you got more than a 10-game chat restriction (or want more details), send a ticket to Player Support, as this earning a *ban* seems incorrect.
: After 7 years of not being banned a single time, this is what Riot (Greg Street) deems "bannable"
First things first -- Mr. Street doesn't have control over the banning system, and it's tuned based on player input, not his demands. Secondly, did you have other previous punishment, such as a recent 14-day ban? If so, this sort of behavior can push you over: >Phoneutria: you do 800 dmg aa's without crit ***lol you just suck ass*** Phoneutria: lol you lost lane as the most op adc right now Phoneutria: and now are trying to do some dumb tilt maneuver Phoneutria: hey keep talking shit MF so that the 9 reports your getting this game look better Phoneutria: keep going Mf Phoneutria: say some more, dig your grave a little bit deepr Phoneutria: sorry you had to support this MF nami Phoneutria: you deserve better Phoneutria: lol your champion can outdamage someone 7 kills ahead nad 40 cs ahead and you still managed to lose the game LOL
levilol102 (EUNE)
: i got report boted for saying idc after they sh1ttalked me :)
"Report botting" isn't a thing. If your logs don't have problematic behavior, you don't get punished. If you're looking to see if your ban many have been in error, you can contact Player Support or post your chat logs here.
: Could we get a universal Riot official definition/example(s) for report system?
These are not "official" definitions, but they are rather simple. **Inting** is *actively and intentionally attempting to ruin a game*. This is not the same as not listening to your team, not the same as making poor decisions, not the same as trying to fight a superior opponent, and not the same as building something unusual -- the definition is solely in the intent behind the actions. **Flaming** is insulting your teammates. **Toxic Behavior** is flaming, as well as using certain language or being excessively negative/condescending to other players. > Wtf you noob. Why you try to 1v1 a fed draven? Are you dumb? > Draven fed, adc is inting trash. GG ff @15, report adc. Both problematic. > Ok man... draven is hella fed and strong early. Pls stop fighting him, just sit back at your damn tower, and farm minions SAFELY. Do not fight him in lane or try to 1v1; you can't beat him right now, and we can't camp for you. Stop taking bad trades, just sit back and farm until you catch up. Not problematic, although perhaps a big aggressive. Would recommend not behaving like this for an ENTIRE game, but one or two instances like this in a game won't cause a problem.
Arammus (EUW)
: this is actuallya good thing. if someone "forces" a teammate to go afk, you got a simple reason to 0 tolerance ban him. would actually really help toxicity.
> [{quoted}](name=Arammus,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mthbZpQT,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-06-22T20:42:04.214+0000)this is actuallya good thing. > if someone "forces" a teammate to go afk, you got a simple reason to 0 tolerance ban him. > would actually really help toxicity. That just makes it a trap though. A parallel would be "hate speech isn't allowed...but if you type it in a game you won't lose MMR that game!" That's just bad. :P
: interesting. Sorta like the open mid phenomenon in korea. While that isnt a fault of riots it is a result of korean culture with pc cafes.
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mthbZpQT,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:30:14.799+0000)interesting. Sorta like the open mid phenomenon in korea. While that isnt a fault of riots it is a result of korean culture with pc cafes. Pretty much, yeah. It seems like an extremely likely repercussion of a system that goes "there's a way to skew the MMR lost onto a single person."
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mthbZpQT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-22T18:56:13.464+0000) > > Any system that softens the penalty to a team when they have an AFK *sounds* great, but it creates a very awkward situation where someone having a bad game may be pressured into leaving the game. Imagine: "This game is your fault, Kennen. Jax got fed because of you. Quit now. We don't deserve this." It's a REALLY awful thing for the system to encourage, which this suggestion does. Except telling your teamates to afk should be/could be/prob is a reportable offense, if there are repercussions for such behavior it shouldn't be that big of an issue.
> [{quoted}](name=EvilxUndertonez,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mthbZpQT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:11:33.604+0000)Except telling your teamates to afk should be/could be/prob is a reportable offense, if there are repercussions for such behavior it shouldn't be that big of an issue. Still sucks to have something that encourages it, and could create the community expectation that a player who has a bad game *should* do this.
: Make new FF system
Any system that softens the penalty to a team when they have an AFK *sounds* great, but it creates a very awkward situation where someone having a bad game may be pressured into leaving the game. Imagine: "This game is your fault, Kennen. Jax got fed because of you. Quit now. We don't deserve this." It's a REALLY awful thing for the system to encourage, which this suggestion does.
: dude, they will always find a reason to justify any ban even if you would write "fksjhrhf" they would a way to tell you that this was a deserved ban
> [{quoted}](name=UnreformedQifsha,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kKhsFOWN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-22T18:49:31.940+0000)dude, they will always find a reason to justify any ban > even if you would write "fksjhrhf" > they would a way to tell you that this was a deserved ban Some people do, yes. Others provide information on *why* a ban was received. Still others (including myself) do the second AND suggest contacting Player Support when a ban seems misplaced or too aggressively placed.
BurtonpHi (EUW)
: Can this get my into Trouble?
Hey there. I've removed the video in question, which includes insulting homophobic language. Don't post that sort of link on the boards, and don't post it in the client.
: Idea: User Alerts?
It's a cool idea, but I imagine the back-end work would be pretty huge given the way the boards are designed. I'm not sure when or even IF we'd feasible be able to deliver something like that.
kriegnes (EUW)
: wow. so you are not even allowing a gay person to joke about himself? no one has even the right to be offended by what he says. hes the gay person not you. you dont decide for him.
> [{quoted}](name=kriegnes,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Rr5Ulb1z,comment-id=000b0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T15:38:19.041+0000) > > wow. so you are not even allowing a gay person to joke about himself? no one has even the right to be offended by what he says. hes the gay person not you. you dont decide for him. "Using "gay" to mean "dumb" or "strange" or calling someone a "raging @#^!@#" ***are not allowed, no matter who says it.***" Emphasis (and original words) mine -- we're not saying he has to be offended, or that he can't also think this is a silly rule. He's entitled to his opinions. We're simply saying what is and isn't allowed on this board.
: Question @ The Djinn: Often when answering Tech Spec questions I mention JayzTwocent's YouTube Channel. It's not my channel but it's excellent information about pc builds and how components work. That's okay right? One of the rukes mentioned not advertising your own channel, but what about other channels that are well established?
> [{quoted}](name=Bello Bagheera,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Rr5Ulb1z,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2018-06-22T15:36:48.028+0000) > > Question @ The Djinn: > > Often when answering Tech Spec questions I mention JayzTwocent's YouTube Channel. It's not my channel but it's excellent information about pc builds and how components work. That's okay right? One of the rukes mentioned not advertising your own channel, but what about other channels that are well established? Giving useful information when relevant is totally fine, even if it IS your own content.
kriegnes (EUW)
: banning racism is ok but now you cant even make a joke? everytime someone makes a racist, homophobe or disabled joke white knights appear and try to defend them. at the same time that guy sitting in a wheelchair is laughing his ass off because he thougth that joke to be funny. you guys are racists and you dont even realize it. by forbidding jokes about disabled people you are moving them into the victim role. you are acting as if they cant defend themselves. as if they are some broken humans. if i can make a joke about a "normal" human being i can make jokes about disabled people too. they are all just people and should be threatened equally. not worse but also not better.
> [{quoted}](name=kriegnes,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Rr5Ulb1z,comment-id=000c000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-06-22T15:34:38.839+0000)banning racism is ok but now you cant even make a joke? We're not banning humor. We're banning *specific types of comments* (humorous or not) that are not acceptable for use on the boards, and are consistent with behaviors that are not considered acceptable in the game. "That's gay" isn't a joke -- it's the equivalent to calling something stupid, save that you're using "gay" to MEAN stupid, and in doing so insulting everyone who is gay by equating it with stupidity. When the punchline is "being gay is the same as being stupid," it's not a joke -- it's just derogatory. I'm not saying that someone (gay or straight or otherwise) can't find it fucking hilarious -- I'm saying that the boards simply aren't the place for that. You and that individual are welcome to go somewhere else to yuck it up all you want, with my blessings.
kriegnes (EUW)
: the dont say gay rule is gay
> [{quoted}](name=kriegnes,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Rr5Ulb1z,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-06-22T15:25:46.046+0000)the dont say gay rule is gay I'm sorry you feel that way, but it is a rule that will be enforced going forward.
: calling Trash Trash?
You can absolutely get banned for calling someone trash. It's an insult, plain and simple. It's important to remember that players have bad games, champions they're learning, and roles they're bad at. Additionally, 50% of any given player's games will be below their average performance -- which means that, statistically, half your team is having a "bad game" by their normal standards. If you're matched with them, it means their average performance is close to yours, so think about that before you call anyone trash. We've all had bad lanes and bad ganks before, but that doesn't make a player "trash."
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Y3v5EEx8,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-08T16:09:14.902+0000) > > This is correct. Riot is aware that there are *some* circumstances where that language might be considered okay by everyone in a game, such as when five friends play pre-made together and decide they're okay with that language in team-chat. If there are no reports, Riot considers no one to have been offended by any of the content in that game. > > So it is accurate to say that the system is zero-tolerance, yes. But if the behavior doesn't HIT the system, it doesn't care -- and the system only reviews games where there has been a report. Ok. I reported him, I am not joking, I actually did. My situation: Saying that word + report = Permaban. His situation: Saying that word + report = nothing ???
> [{quoted}](name=Puto Gordo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Y3v5EEx8,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T12:58:35.821+0000)Ok. I reported him, I am not joking, I actually did. My situation: Saying that word + report = Permaban. His situation: Saying that word + report = nothing ??? You don't necessarily get alerted every time a punishment goes out.
ximun (NA)
: Punished unfairly?
> [{quoted}](name=ximun,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=W9Ap9Psw,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-22T12:00:28.422+0000) > ximun: get a brain > ximun: YOU'RE TRAHS > ximun: kayle stfu > ximun: ur garbo > ximun: ekko was 50 hp, she didnt auto, and she blames me for fucking up? > ximun: are you high > ximun: you're out of ur mind > ximun: hes retarded > ximun: so bad So this is all insults, which aren't allowed. "Retarded" also tends to get punished reliably, whether it's in all-chat or team-chat. Don't call people retarded on *League*. > ximun: MY %%%%% ZOE While this term is used colloquially in some circles where it doesn't carry the same pejorative connotation of its root word, it's not acceptable in *League*.
: “ai” is a common vowel used in a lot of words and names (taken from old words). Shuriman favors short words and then combines multible words to create new meanings —sometimes only vaguely related to the root word.
> [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EFUOWgr8,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-21T16:37:14.005+0000)“ai” is a common vowel used in a lot of words and names [taken from old words]. So, this begs a question from me. Kai'sa. Clearly a name of Shuriman origin, and seems to indicate that Kai is not a gender-specific name. Is the Kai'sa styling to indicate the use of the name on a female, a relic of Shuriman naming that's extremely uncommon (as no other Shuriman character has it), or a specific thing used for giving names to Void creatures? If the latter, what does "Sa" add to it's meaning, given that Kai seems to be such a common name? Is it the Shuriman Void equivalent of "Jane Doe?"
Bijeesny (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:59:42.703+0000) > > That was sort of the idea of the **Tribunal**, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users *years* ago. *League* has only grown since then. But CSGO is a big game aswell, and they have NO ISSUES with that system. So the only explanation is that Riot doesn't care enough. There are 0 reasons not to bring in Overwatch-like system.
> [{quoted}](name=Bijeesny,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-21T16:25:31.699+0000) > > But CSGO is a big game aswell, and they have NO ISSUES with that system. So the only explanation is that Riot doesn't care enough. There are 0 reasons not to bring in Overwatch-like system. *CS:GO* claims about 11 million unique players per month. *League*, as of last check, was around 100 million unique players per month, so the scale really isn't the same. Plus, *League* -- again -- *tried this already* with the Tribunal, and found it *inefficient and far too slow*, in addition to being *not as consistent as automated detection*.
: Pretty bad system to look at one chat log but can't bother to look at the others, oh well.
> [{quoted}](name=LagzMagee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RJnN4Wm4,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-21T15:52:37.026+0000)Pretty bad system to look at one chat log but can't bother to look at the others, oh well. If you *don't tell the system to look at someone's behavior* the *system doesn't do it*. This is because it's designed to learn from what players do and don't report, so if everything is reviewed all the time you have no data to learn from. It's not that it can't be bothered -- it's that if it DOES look at everything all the time, it's ability to learn and respond to how the community views toxicity is fundamentally compromised.
: I didn't think reporting Yas was a good move because I'm a bigger person who doesn't get mad when someone calls me a baby. He literally cussed and threaten to go afk it's hilarious, you'd been like the Draven on my team, wondering why yas and zed are so mad at their Yi. Worst to know is Riot will look at it and just let yas go, not even a penalty, I know it, I've seen it before.
> [{quoted}](name=LagzMagee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RJnN4Wm4,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T15:33:45.201+0000)I didn't think reporting Yas was a good move because I'm a bigger person who doesn't get mad when someone calls me a baby. He literally cussed and threaten to go afk it's hilarious, you'd been like the Draven on my team, wondering why yas and zed are so mad at their Yi. Worst to know is Riot will look at it and just let yas go, not even a penalty, I know it, I've seen it before. If you didn't report him, then that is the same as telling the system that you do not want his behavior reviewed. That's a choice you get to make, but in doing so you sort of lose the right to complain that his behavior *isn't* being reviewed, as, by not reporting him, you effectively say "this behavior was fine with me." So no, they won't look at it at all, because you didn't tell them to do so. That's how the system works.
: Lmao. So they walk away flaming still? Yes, I love when the worst type of players get away with it!
> [{quoted}](name=LagzMagee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RJnN4Wm4,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-21T15:28:32.146+0000)Lmao. So they walk away flaming still? Yes, I love when the worst type of players get away with it! They did not necessarily walk away: again, their behavior will be judged by the system if they were reported. The system does *not* look at a player's behavior unless other players in that game deemed it inappropriate, and, if they did (by reporting it) then it will be looked at, analyzed, and the appropriate response taken given that player's history with the punishment system.
: Can someone just help me out here?
>Look, I'm not going to say I deserve to be unbanned, but Riot, you need to know the whole story, your should've seen how Yas and Zed were acting. Their behavior will be judged by the system if they were reported, and they will be punished (or moved towards a punishment) as appropriate. You do not, however, get any sort of special exemption to the rules just because they were behaving worse.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:59:42.703+0000) > > That was sort of the idea of the **Tribunal**, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users *years* ago. *League* has only grown since then. Soo, is there a chance such thing will make an apearence again?
> [{quoted}](name=RaikoPlays,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T13:27:44.372+0000) > > Soo, is there a chance such thing will make an apearence again? I can't speak for Riot, but I think such a thing is *extremely* unlikely due, again, to the fact that the Tribunal was already far too slow and unwieldy previously, and was also less consistent than the current system.
: Should be something they can do to revert your mmr loss from those matches at least. I won't pretend to know how it works but surely they should know how it works and how that gets ticked off. They can't predict it, but surely can tell after the fact. Just have to watch a replay to see a rage quit. I get it's automated mostly. They aren't going to put in manpower for that. But it's depressing. Who's going to keep going? From the ragers, I get more inters. From more inters, I get people who get in and just feed someone to such an extent even other ahead lanes can't do anything bc they keep doing it. I had an 80%+ winrate and now my mmr is like tanking down into silver.
> [{quoted}](name=Praetor Thot,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jnqleBns,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T13:12:06.803+0000)Just have to watch a replay to see a rage quit. Sure. The problem here is that this *creates an incentive to try to encourage people to quit if you're losing, so you don't lose MMR*. That's a bad thing, as it basically creates more toxicity, and leads to a situation of "well, it's your fault, so quit so we don't lose rating for your mistakes." >Who's going to keep going? Statistically, a lot of people. It's frustrating -- I get that. But it's part of playing an online game that people will occasionally leave, whether due to frustration or real-world issues. This is why the system is accurate over *more games played*, rather than being super accurate over a small numer. >I had an 80%+ winrate and now my mmr is like tanking down into silver. Given that you seem to have ended Gold last season and seem to have played less than 100 ranked games this season (assuming LoLKing is currently accurate), that sort of fluctuation seems possible, yes. It's important to remember that while you can get held down by problematic players, you can also be buoyed up by really great players or players having a good game, and this is why the more games you play the more likely you are to place close to your accurate MMR.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:37:55.420+0000) > > No. There are simply too many games played. I did approximate calculations once, and I think it turned out that a team of 200 employees working full 8-hour-days with no meetings or other responsibilities could *barely* manage it if they watched every game at x10 speed. *League* is simply an *enormous* game, and having human eyes on everything is just not feasible. CS:GO makes it so that people with over X wins are able to review reported games for cheaters or trollers We could make something similar, but not with wins, with honor levels maybe
> [{quoted}](name=RaikoPlays,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:44:58.795+0000)CS:GO makes it so that people with over X wins are able to review reported games for cheaters or trollers > We could make something similar, but not with wins, with honor levels maybe That was sort of the idea of the **Tribunal**, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users *years* ago. *League* has only grown since then.
: Can we bring back people actually looking at games?
>Can we bring back actual people looking at games? No. There are simply too many games played. I did approximate calculations once, and I think it turned out that a team of 200 employees working full 8-hour-days with no meetings or other responsibilities could *barely* manage it if they watched every game at x10 speed. *League* is simply an *enormous* game, and having human eyes on everything is just not feasible.
: Is there nothing Riot can do about this?
Riot can't accurate predict if someone will rage, feed, or disconnect, so no, not really. They've been improving their detection for feeding players, but it's still a hard thing to determine. The truth is that this sucks, yes, but it happens to both teams. This is why MMR is most accurate over a long number of games played -- if you don't rage/feed/disconnect, there are only FOUR spots on your team that this can occur, and FIVE on your opponent's team, so the balance ultimate works in your favor. Negative confirmation bias, however, always reminds you of the times that your team had a heavy weight on it, and tends to assume that any game where your ENEMY had that heavy weight is just one where you or someone on your team did unusually well. Remember that you're far more likely to remember the game where your top-laner fed 6 kills than the one where the enemy top laner fed 6 kills.
: you should always give a warning before banning been playing since early 2010 and this toxic auto ban environment is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not a toxic person, thats what they have a mute button for.
> [{quoted}](name=Malum Unos,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zcsqdsqs,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:07:39.650+0000) > > you should always give a warning before banning been playing since early 2010 and this toxic auto ban environment is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not a toxic person, thats what they have a mute button for. A 14-day ban *is* a warning -- just an usually heavy one. Riot used to do *only* chat bans as warnings, and I suspect their current model is based on evidence showing that the majority of behaviors that trigger zero-tolerance offenses are *not* seen in cases where a player reforms.
: I'm happy that someone in your position would take time to reply to a random, thank you for your honest input. I upvote just for the principle of you taking action at a request you have no obligation over and giving fair trial. {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
> [{quoted}](name=Saint Clarice,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tMoBF20t,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-06-20T22:25:36.534+0000)I'm happy that someone in your position would take time to reply to a random, thank you for your honest input. I upvote just for the principle of you taking action at a request you have no obligation over and giving fair trial. My pleasure. :)
: You seem like a rational person when it comes to delivering judgement, would you mind taking a look at my case? I received the same punishment yet I didn't use any crude language.. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
> [{quoted}](name=Saint Clarice,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2JFbAYjO,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2018-06-20T21:51:01.264+0000)You seem like a rational person when it comes to delivering judgement, would you mind taking a look at my case? I received the same punishment yet I didn't use any crude language.. Gave you a response! Apologies if it isn't the one you wanted to hear.
: Premade Report Power
Hey there! You requested my input, so here it is. :) The first thing to note is that premade teams don't have *any* more reporting power than you as an individual. The system functions like this: * You receive X reports in a game. * The system checks to see if X is greater than 0. If it is, it passes your log into the review process. In short, there is no place in the system where the ***review process*** part of it cares what X *is*, because it doesn't actually get that data -- it just gets the chat logs to review, and treats them all equally. So with that taken care of, let's look at your logs. ----------------------------------- I'm a bit surprised this got a 14-day ban, and am curious to know if you had any previous punishments -- if you had a prior chat restriction, this is probably appropriate. The issue with these logs is that, while you didn't insult or flame back, you spent the entire game engaged in a negative conversation about how your team is harassing/spamming you and how you'll report them and they'll be punished. While I get that it's tempting to do that, it's important to remember that that isn't being a positive teammate, a good sport, or really doing anything other than putting yourself at odds with your teammates. There's a difference between standing up for yourself (although even that isn't necessary, as if you don't have problematic behavior in your logs or your gameplay then you can get nine reports and have no strikes against you) and being antagonistic. For example: let's assume I'm in a game and someone says "Djinn is feeding and flaming us. Report him, please" in all-chat. **Appropriate Response:** "I'm actually just having an off day, and definitely picked a fight I shouldn't have against Darius, so the whole lane sort of went down-hill from there." << I'd probably say this in team-chat alone, as there's no reason to do a he-said/she-said thing in all-chat, although if I did I'd probably just write something like "Not actually, but let's just focus on the game and not make a big scene about it." What you did here is closer to turning it around and attacking back rather than defending -- which isn't okay, as counter-attacking isn't acceptable. I definitely see your confusion here as to why this happened (as, since you were being attacked, it may not *feel* like a counter-attack), but you always have to step out of the moment and look at your wording and behavior a bit more objectively. ------------------------------ This is certainly behavior I'd expect to see get a warning, and, if you had a prior chat restriction, an escalation would be the next step, sad though it is to say it. If you did ***not*** have a previous chat restriction, I would definitely contact Player Support to see if they can give you a bit more of an explanation, as I would not have expected this to earn a 14-day ban on a fresh account by any stretch of the imagination.
: The CD reset on killing a minion did feel really good to play with I agree, so I tried to keep in on the ability is long as I could. However, different iterations on the new W with this either had really unintuitive interactions or gave him a lot of strong wave-clearing power with no real downtime for his opponents to play around. So we killed it, but want to make sure his laning phase still holds up without it (putting power into his scrapping vs his passive farming ability).
> [{quoted}](name=Riot NeuroCat,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=huEn04VG,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-06-20T19:19:49.156+0000) > > The CD reset on killing a minion did feel really good to play with I agree, so I tried to keep in on the ability is long as I could. However, different iterations on the new W with this either had really unintuitive interactions or gave him a lot of strong wave-clearing power with no real downtime for his opponents to play around. So we killed it, but want to make sure his laning phase still holds up without it (putting power into his scrapping vs his passive farming ability). Out of curiosity, have you considered making his DoT have a bit of an execute buffer to help him with that? The ability to stick a DoT on a minion that's ALMOST dead and then do something else knowing that you won't randomly have it time out and lose the kill by 3 health might make his farming feel significantly better, so having the DoT do something like automatically kill minions it leaves below 5% health or something might be worth exploring.
: Once we have numbers/tuning in a good place, hopefully the changes should be overall power neutral. We tested bruiser fizz a little internally and found it still wasn't super effective - we're willing to tune him appropriately to make sure that doesn't happen.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot NeuroCat,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=huEn04VG,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-06-20T19:16:34.585+0000) > > Once we have numbers/tuning in a good place, hopefully the changes should be overall power neutral. We tested bruiser fizz a little internally and found it still wasn&#x27;t super effective - we&#x27;re willing to tune him appropriately to make sure that doesn&#x27;t happen. I'll admit -- I know it was frustrating as hell, but playing Bruiser Fizz was one of the highlights of my League career. The slipper little bastard is just so fun when he doesn't instantly die. I'd love to see if it's possible to support it as a lower-damage off-build, but I imagine it's not.
: You know what that person should do then? Mute them. It's THAT simple. Honestly, this is silly. The fact that Riot games puts ZERO effort in their bans and 90% of their gamer population doesn't even use the mute feature is absolutely disgusting and sad.
> [{quoted}](name=Childish Gamgino,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tQpMuZYh,comment-id=0002000100000002,timestamp=2018-06-20T17:51:57.807+0000) > > You know what that person should do then? Mute them. It&#x27;s THAT simple. Honestly, this is silly. The fact that Riot games puts ZERO effort in their bans and 90% of their gamer population doesn&#x27;t even use the mute feature is absolutely disgusting and sad. The mute feature is underused, yes. It is, however, a method to avoid toxicity, not one designed to enable it. Players are still responsible for ensuring they follow behavioral rules, and the fact that someone can (and should) mute them does not excuse toxic behavior.
07 DUGI (EUNE)
: Is this 14 day ban for real?
So the simple answer here is that yes, this is a deserved band, because the word you used to insult those players is considered hate speech in the form of a homophobic slur. The longer answer is that use of a different word would have avoided the immediate 14-day ban, but would likely have still earned a punishment. The League community is not one that is okay with the use of the word gay as an insult or negative quality, and nor is it okay with calling other players noobs or saying "bad game" at the end of the game. I definitely do understand your frustration though, because we've all encountered frustrating in game situations or players who seem like they have no goal in the game other than to lose the game and antagonize us as much as possible in the process. It's really irritating when it happens, and it definitely makes people feel like venting. The important thing to keep in mind is that the rules apply to all situations. It doesn't matter if someone else insulted you first, someone else is intentionally trying to ruin your game, or you just had the worst day of your life: there are behavioral rules in League that must be followed, and if you do not follow--for ANY reason-- you may face punishment. My personal recommendation is to find other words to express your irritation or find an out of game outlet for your frustration such as a stress ball, or cursing at the screen.
EkyonKun (NA)
: "All right, so there's this AD champ named Jhin who doesn't gain attack speed-" "Oh so just build straight AD on him?" "No you build attack speed because it gets converted into more AD. He gains actual attack speed with levels" "Does that get converted to AD?" "No, only bonus attack speed does. His base attack doesn't. Anyway, so he fires pretty slowly all throughout the game but he hits like a truck. But he can only fire four times before he has to reload." "Reload?" "Yeah it takes a few seconds before he can auto attack after four shots. But his fourth shot always crits" "Oh cool! So you don't need crit chance on him?" "No you still build crit because it makes his crits give him more movement speed" "He gets...movement speed...from crit chance?" "Yeah all his crits, including his fourth shot, give him a burst of movement speed" "Then his fourth shot is useless late game if he gets 100% crit chance?" "No because it deals percent missing health damage. Also his crits deal 25% reduced damage." "Okay fuck that I'm playing Annie"
> [{quoted}](name=EkyonKun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AV07Y0co,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-20T03:53:31.112+0000) > > &quot;All right, so there&#x27;s this AD champ named Jhin who doesn&#x27;t gain attack speed-&quot; > &quot;Oh so just build straight AD on him?&quot; > &quot;No you build attack speed because it gets converted into more AD. He gains actual attack speed with levels&quot; > &quot;Does that get converted to AD?&quot; > &quot;No, only bonus attack speed does. His base attack doesn&#x27;t. Anyway, so he fires pretty slowly all throughout the game but he hits like a truck. But he can only fire four times before he has to reload.&quot; > &quot;Reload?&quot; > &quot;Yeah it takes a few seconds before he can auto attack after four shots. But his fourth shot always crits&quot; > &quot;Oh cool! So you don&#x27;t need crit chance on him?&quot; > &quot;No you still build crit because it makes his crits give him more movement speed&quot; > &quot;He gets...movement speed...from crit chance?&quot; > &quot;Yeah all his crits, including his fourth shot, give him a burst of movement speed&quot; > &quot;Then his fourth shot is useless late game if he gets 100% crit chance?&quot; > &quot;No because it deals percent missing health damage. Also his crits deal 25% reduced damage.&quot; > &quot;Okay fuck that I&#x27;m playing Annie&quot; The best part of this is that you *still missed bits*, because the ability is *that complicated*. * Attack speed slows will affect his attack speed *and* his passive bonus damage. * Attack damage reductions apply before the multiplier, resulting in more power vs. Jhin than expected. * The reload happens automatically after 10 seconds. * The fourth attack will critically strike structures, but for 44% reduced damage and no bonus physical damage.
6AuGis9 (EUNE)
: 14 ban for they first time with no penalty box
The word "retard" seems to be rising on the community's radar, which possibly means it is getting escalated punishments for repeated use. I'll admit this is the first time I've seen that jump to an immediate 14-day ban, but that combined with calling someone "trash" and "cancer" *will* reliably earn punishments.
: Is there a way to get my stuff from a banned account to another one?
This is not a service Riot offers. Part of the punishment for being permanently banned is to lose unlocked content, and giving an easy way to transfer content to a new account would sort of defeat the purpose.
ProDoTaExE (EUNE)
: Banned
Hate speech earns an escalated punishment, which is why you did not get a warning. There is no way to get unbanned in this sort of instance: I'm afraid you will have to wait the 14-days.
: That's true, I always wondered, why does Riot only include your chat logs, puts things extremely out of context.
> [{quoted}](name=DrtyTrouserSnake,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ewlyMQHr,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-19T21:27:51.353+0000)That&#x27;s true, I always wondered, why does Riot only include your chat logs, puts things extremely out of context. Because putting in the context causes users to focus more on "but look what HE said" and less on "look at what of MY behavior was out of line." As Riot's data from the Tribunal shows that the community doesn't care who started something (and simply doesn't like toxicity in ANY form), it's better to give direct, usable data that shows only what the individual said so they can analyze their own behavior better.
: My friend also reported him for the same thing, no sign of punishment so far. But you're not wrong, just no sign of the other guy being punished yet.
> [{quoted}](name=DrtyTrouserSnake,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ewlyMQHr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-19T20:26:22.515+0000)My friend also reported him for the same thing, no sign of punishment so far. But you&#x27;re not wrong, just no sign of the other guy being punished yet. You do not always get informed when a punishment is sent out. It's possible than the other individual either received one or received significant progress towards one, and it's honestly hard to say which it likely is without having seen the chat logs of the other individual.
Arammus (EUW)
: i just said "Soul%%%"
If you do end up punished for this (I'm not sure how aggressively tuned the filter is for that sort of content inside other words) and if your chat log supports this being a simple typo, a quick ticket to Player Support should be sufficient to get the punishment listed.
: permabanns
Permabans have two strong points in their favor: * A meaningful percentage of permanently banned players *do not* make new accounts. * A permanent ban serves as a loss of time/money investment, which provides the incentive some players need to reform.
KodiX (EUNE)
: The funniest thing is that when i send to riot screenshot where someone insulted me they said to me to mute them. But when i did the same thing once they are banning me. Well that is for spending only 2k PLN on this game and merchendise
> [{quoted}](name=KodiX,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sNiGAb1U,comment-id=000200000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-19T12:52:51.782+0000)The funniest thing is that when i send to riot screenshot where someone insulted me they said to me to mute them. But when i did the same thing once they are banning me. Well that is for spending only 2k PLN on this game and merchendise For privacy reasons they do not tell you when or if another player is punished as a result of your ticket. If someone had sent in a screenshot of your behavior, that is the response they would have gotten as well.
: I wonder what it would be like if the entire LoL community was active on the Boards
It would be sheer chaos. If we consider active on the boards to be one post a day, and we decrease leagues player base by 10% from our last given estimate in 2016 (to give a low estimate), that's 90 million monthly users, so 90 million posts a day. If we take what's probably a very high estimate of the commenrs per day and say we currently get 20,000, we're looking at having 4500 comments for every ONE currently on the board. At that pace and amount it would be nearly impossible to follow any given conversation, let alone pick out a consistent trend from among all the voices.
: Second account permanently banned with almost all champions unlocked
>I will retire myself from league for now too to keep from smoking and finding game to keep my chill better. (season 3 - season 8 played - 10,000+ hours) and focus on finding games that fit better for my current temperament and changes in every day life. Best of luck, and congratulations on kicking the smoking habit. I get that an abrupt change like that is probably super rough to deal with, and finding a game that's better suited to your current temperament is a great choice.
: Let's Take A Vote
Personally I'm all for giving everyone one chance, which is what the current system does. Riot does have a different community standard than some other online games, and I think giving people that one firm warning is appropriate in most circumstances, including intentional feeding.
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