: They did? When was this? also how did i fail? what were the tests like?
> [{quoted}](name=coolcoolyoyo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EbMn1r08,comment-id=0003000300000000,timestamp=2018-04-25T21:11:03.080+0000) > > They did? When was this? also how did i fail? what were the tests like? Prandine aced the answer to this before I could. His reply is spot on.
: The Djinn, do you ever think that riot will make a "reform system" where we can have a chance of getting our accounts back? (it could be things as "make another account and get honor level 5" "wait a year for your account" "Do a interview with a riot supporter to test if you should be unbanned or not")
> [{quoted}](name=coolcoolyoyo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EbMn1r08,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2018-04-25T19:32:06.013+0000) > > The Djinn, do you ever think that riot will make a "reform system" where we can have a chance of getting our accounts back? (it could be things as "make another account and get honor level 5" "wait a year for your account" "Do a interview with a riot supporter to test if you should be unbanned or not") Nope. They tested a reform system, and the failure rate was absurdly high, even with personal guidance and check-ups. It was permanently discontinued as a result.
: Can someone from Riot please explain something to me?
In short, excessively and negatively blaming other players. Yes, people may be making mistakes...address it politely, rather than playing the blame game.
SkyeMoon (NA)
: Do players who have chat-restrictions in-game have it here on boards as well?
In-game punishments are entirely seperate from boards punishments, and vice versa. :)
: Suggestion for Recruitment section
**Looking for Game** would be the best bet at the moment, although I'll admit that it's not a perfect match. I'll make sure the team knows, although I can't promise we'll change anything -- but it's definitely worth looking in to how many people looking for clubs there might be.
: But for players like me, its the most triggering thing that he could ever write. Plus, I was tilted hard while facing illaoi (1/5 in min 15)
> [{quoted}](name=SageOfDSixPaths,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=z2oxcROj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-04-19T16:48:24.414+0000) > > But for players like me, its the most triggering thing that he could ever write. Plus, I was tilted hard while facing illaoi (1/5 in min 15) I'm not saying it's not infuriating or that you weren't tilted -- but controlling your response in those situations is something that is fully your own responsibility.
: When riot bans you for toxicity.
>"Why xin feeding". > >let me ask you guys how you would reply to this guy in the comments please. "Sorry, dude. Having a rough game." "Haven't played against Illaoi in a while." "I'll just try to play safe. Going to be a bit behind for a while. Sorry, team." "Yeah, not doing so well. It happens. Sorry, man." "She's better than me. Not much I can do. I'll try to play safer." Or, of course, mute him and keep playing. Hell, this happened to me just three days ago. Was playing Aatrox into one of the better Jayce's I've played against, and he was tower diving me with impunity by level 3. I just couldn't touch him. I acknowledge the trouble, apologized, and then muted the guy who wouldn't shut up about it and kept playing.
PepsiNext (OCE)
: REMOVE THE PERMA BAN!!! ITS UNFAIR
>Perma banned for legit no reason Can you provide your chat logs and a brief outline of your recent punishments? That will help us know if this is a mistake, or a rightful ban that you may disagree with.
: Permanently banned with no prior offenses? Feel like something's wrong.
So it's possible that you've fallen afoul of one of Riot's zero tolerance policies. The rules are somewhat stricter on newer accounts, likely (I believe) as a measure to reduce the damage a banned but experienced player can do to the community by coming back and behaving in a problematic manner.
: I don't see what's so different between ranked draft and normal draft, but I respect where you're coming from. I know my views are more utilitarian than most, but Riot's entire behavior system is utilitarian by nature. It doesn't make sense to me to allow things which so consistently lead to negative experiences for 4-9 other players.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=UVN9ydAl,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:55:08.569+0000) > > I don't see what's so different between ranked draft and normal draft, but I respect where you're coming from. > > I know my views are more utilitarian than most, but Riot's entire behavior system is utilitarian by nature. It doesn't make sense to me to allow things which so consistently lead to negative experiences for 4-9 other players. Basically, for me it's a matter of "why this and not the rest?" Let's see other things which can create problems: * Queuing up for an off role. * Playing a champion you're not great at. * Trying out a new rune page. * Trying out a new build. * Playing an unusual champion. * Playing a champion that's bad on your team because they're your best champion. * Playing a champion a teammate would rather you not play. * Playing a champion you've played before, but not in weeks/months. * ...and so on. The time duration is extra important. How many games before you can take them into ranked? How many of those have to be wins or show decent performance? How recently do you have to play someone before you are considered to still be in practice? How would you pick a contested champion for an ally if you've purchased them but not played them, and your ally who HAS wants them? What happens if they don't accept the trade?
: I think that if people have rewards on the line then it's not okay to go and ruin that for them by doing something that's so likely to make them lose.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=UVN9ydAl,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:46:03.951+0000) > > I think that if people have rewards on the line then it's not okay to go and ruin that for them by doing something that's so likely to make them lose. Conversely, I don't think it's really fair to tell someone "no, either you can't play your favorite game mode OR you can't play that champion you're really excited about. Pick ONE." *shrug*
: Don't twist words with me. It's morally reprehensible. End of story. And just to be clear, by "it" I'm referring to "people who don't know what they are doing choosing to first time something in ranked" As I already stated in my other comment. So before you waste both our time talking about high elo, just don't.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=UVN9ydAl,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:13:23.855+0000)Don't twist words with me. It's morally reprehensible. End of story. Personally, I strictly disagree. Community perception aside, ranked isn't inherently more or less serious than normals -- it just has a number tied to it.
Beck (EUNE)
: That's too bad. Thanks for all help though. Are they gonna review it anyway? Like read the whole thing?
> [{quoted}](name=Beck,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Mo5QA0q,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:02:36.593+0000) > > That's too bad. Thanks for all help though. > > Are they gonna review it anyway? Like read the whole thing? I can't speak for what they will or won't do as far as that's concerned, but I suspect that, if they DID see this thread, they'd read up to the first censored word and consider it done.
Beck (EUNE)
: So what? is a rioter gonna see this or have i just lost my account? (I'm new to the forum)
> [{quoted}](name=Beck,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Mo5QA0q,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:41:05.655+0000) > > So what? is a rioter gonna see this or have i just lost my account? (I'm new to the forum) I can promise you the account is gone. Rioters are NOT inclined to be merciful when it comes to hate speech.
Sukishoo (NA)
: Yet, it's really not. If it was inflammatory it would have been something more like "I was right, hows it feel to be a a ****ing moron!!!" Yes it was poking at them cause they were wrong, but do you realize how many threads around here do that, and yet they don't get their comments deleted? Or how many threads continually exist even though according to your "rules" shouldn't?
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xox1nEYk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:39:21.048+0000)Yet, it's really not. If it was inflammatory it would have been something more like "I was right, hows it feel to be a a ****ing moron!!!"; That would be *very* imflammatory and have earned you a punishment, rather than *slightly* inflammatory and, combined with bringing an old thread back for that purpose, enough to earn a small "please don't do this again." There's a critical difference there. > Yes it was poking at them cause they were wrong, but do you realize how many threads around here do that, and yet they don't get their comments deleted? Yep. And, frankly, your comment might have been fine had you not clearly gone so far out of your way to resurrect a month-old conversation just to make the point. It's a combination of both that led to the action.
: There really should be a list of bannable words and phrases
While it might be nice to show some of the more problematic terms, if you make a full list, then people will simply skirt around the edges and find other ways to say the same things. Most of these language situations I've seen are due to someone trying to insult someone and using a term they didn't know was hate speech...and the real problem there is that they're trying to insult someone in the first place.
Beck (EUNE)
: Great argument! And thanks alot for this insight! Alot coming from the saltiest game i have on my computer.....
> [{quoted}](name=Beck,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Mo5QA0q,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:26:39.015+0000)And thanks alot for this insight! Any time. I'm sorry I couldn't bring news more to your satisfaction.
: What hate speach was used? Hate speach constitutes as racial slurs in most cases. Also your ban system only works at "Removing toxic players" who literally only flame once in 50 games and the players who have SOOOOOO much fun trolling don't get banned, as there is the infamous challenger 100% winrate master yi and 0% winrate tahm kench. That shows off your beautiful ban system. Hence why your player base has declined so fast and the company is sky rocketing ads out and people know not to touch this game. The game was beautiful, Riot was not.
> [{quoted}](name=ifishbro3,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Mo5QA0q,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:19:57.147+0000)What hate speach was used? Hate speach constitutes as racial slurs in most cases. Hate speech is speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender. The three-letter word censored by the boards is a slur for individuals of a certain sexual orientation, and is absolutely hate speech. >Also your ban system... It's not mine. I'm a volunteer moderator, not a Rioter. I'll happily admit that I'd love it if the anti-trolling system were a bit faster on the trigger. That said, if someone uses hate speech in 2% of their games...or 1%...or 0.5%, then I don't want them in this community.
Beck (EUNE)
: I have been playing for multiple years and used this "hate speech" for the duration of these years. And for some reason i have not acknowledged that i wasnt allowed to do this. So on top of not knowing this, being the first warning and being given an automated message by a robot. I still believe that the ban came out of knowhere and is unjustified. All i want is a last chance. Then you can permaban me. :(
> [{quoted}](name=Beck,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Mo5QA0q,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:15:28.002+0000)I have been playing for multiple years and used this "hate speech" for the duration of these years. And for some reason i have not acknowledged that i wasnt allowed to do this. So on top of not knowing this, being the first warning and being given an automated message by a robot. I still believe that the ban came out of knowhere and is unjustified. All i want is a last chance. Then you can permaban me. :( I'm afraid Riot will not see it this way. From the Terms of Use, Section 5, Code of Conduct, in the section listing things not allowed: *"v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;"* Your language is an obvious violation of this rule, and of the [Summoner's Code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/), both of which you agree to follow when you make an account. This is also not your first warning if you previously received a 14-day ban, and it's likely, if you have used this language for a while, that your 14-day ban had no previous punishments because you were immediately escalated to this level due to the severity of the offense. This is the normal escalation path for this behavior, and not one that I can see Riot being at *all* lenient with in this case. You may want to keep playing the game, but Riot's policy is that, if this is the sort of behavior you show (and have shown in the past, apparently) without thinking about how your language may be inappropriate, they don't WANT you playing the game.
Sukishoo (NA)
: You really need work on Moderation.
In the instance of your recent deletion, mostly because you dredged up a month old thread for no reason other than to brag about how you were right and the other poster was incorrect. We typically allow the resurrection of old threads only if the comment is adding something valuable to the discussion, but bringing old threads back to life just to rub things in people's faces isn't okay and is, yes, a little inflammatory. You'll note it was simply a deletion and a warning though -- no punishment was applied.
Beck (EUNE)
: PERMA BAN: I believe that i was unfairly banned and want YOUR opinion on it!
>Yes, i used vulgar language. You used worse than vulgar language -- you used *hate speech*. That earns a 14-day ban on the *first* offense, and can easily escalate an existing punishment to a permanent ban. There is a zero tolerance policy for this behavior, as it is completely inappropriate for a game. It takes more than a few months for a 14-day ban to drop off to the point where this behavior wouldn't result in a permanent ban.
: I've done it!
Congrats! Keep it up. <3
: Oh I see, so I get some of my comments removed bc of my name and not the content. Looks fair. But didn't really expect more from the moderators. BTW thanks for restoring it.
> [{quoted}](name=Ph03n1xdust,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=tEw8k7fV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-18T14:45:39.937+0000) > > Oh I see, so I get some of my comments removed bc of my name and not the content. Looks fair. As I said, the removal was possibly overzealous, but not incredibly so (the comment was rude and a bit condescending), and was likely due to this borderline content in light of your recent behavior. It was a valid case of moderator discretion, and I did not overturn it as an error, but rather as an instance where I personally felt some leniency could be applied. Had a PUNISHMENT been applied and that been the only comment given as reason, then we might be having a different conversation. ------------------------- Additionally, please note that while we're always interested in thoughts, critique, or areas where you think we could improve, comments like "but didn't really expect more from the moderators" aren't really helpful to the conversation.
Nrader (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wsrF8kVO,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T13:34:34.285+0000) > > Well, that gets to the same sort of point -- Riot&#x27;s experiments showed that more time doesn&#x27;t really help, and the bans above 14 days are supposed to be the &quot;we don&#x27;t want you playing *League* any more&quot; bans, not the &quot;take a long break&quot; bans. That's odd, why do they say shit like https://i.gyazo.com/b5f37adc730b2c1423e0192688353ae4.png then?
> [{quoted}](name=Nrader,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wsrF8kVO,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T14:30:23.366+0000) > > That&#x27;s odd, why do they say shit like https://i.gyazo.com/b5f37adc730b2c1423e0192688353ae4.png then? Because ultimately it's a nonenforceable policy, and they acknowledge that if a player does NOT want to quit fully they can't make them.
: How can you break the rules by advising something?
Hey there, Ph03n1xdust. That particular comment looks like it was caught in a bunch of other pretty nasty comments you made, and I suspect the moderator in question assumed -- reasonably -- that it was intended with the same tone as the other removals you received on the same day. I've taken another look and, giving you the benefit of the doubt, will be restoring the comment. It's a bit rude, but I'm not convinced it was *necessary* to remove. So that should be back up. That said, please be warned that you *really* need to improve your behavior. Had I actioned your last few removals, with your additional recent history, you would have gotten more than a warning.
: But i think that 3 years should be enough to get another chance, i probably wont get it so im gonna try again in 1 more year or so i think? IMO there should be a better system for people that are willing to return and better their behaviour since i understand many people claim that they are reformed yet they arent but it hurts alot people that are actually willing to have another chance. sucks i cant do anything to show it..
> [{quoted}](name=Darkmin1211,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wsrF8kVO,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-04-18T13:38:15.536+0000)But i think that 3 years should be enough to get another chance And that's where we disagree. The past experiments showed that most additional chances *don't* work, and at some point the last chance really *is* the last one. Not everything is something you get a chance to do over. > IMO there should be a better system for people that are willing to return and better their behaviour since i understand many people claim that they are reformed yet they arent but it hurts alot people that are actually willing to have another chance. sucks i cant do anything to show it. I acknowledge that it's frustrating, but unfortunately the second chances DO exist -- they just exist BEFORE the final ban. Losing the account is the punishment for the amount of damage your behavior dealt to other player's experiences. You're welcome to return...just not on that previous account. Sure, it may hurt a bit, but so did your previous behavior, and that's not something that can be reversed for those players affected.
Kanzler (NA)
: Perhaps to get around that, a 2 year ban is added after 2 weeks and before permanent.
> [{quoted}](name=Kanzler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wsrF8kVO,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-18T13:27:14.112+0000)Perhaps to get around that, a 2 year ban is added after 2 weeks and before permanent. Well, that gets to the same sort of point -- Riot's experiments showed that more time doesn't really help, and the bans above 14 days are supposed to be the "we don't want you playing *League* any more" bans, not the "take a long break" bans.
: This is where i beg for mercy
As much as I'm glad to hear that you've changed your behavior, I can't really agree that I feel the existing punishment should be overturned, especially without seeing the behavior the prompted it. Basically, I don't really like setting a precedent that taking a previous toxic player at their word and letting them back into the community is a thing that Riot does. We *had* a previous experiment of that sort which was a pretty big failure (it had less than a 5% actual reform rate). I do understand that exceptions exists, and perhaps you really are one. The problem, however, is that there's no way to be sure, and the sheer scope of *League* means that if a system like this exists it WILL make errors, and it also undermines the idea that a permanent ban is...well...a permanent punishment for showing you can't abide by the fairly simple behavioral rules. As we have no good way of confirming a toxic player has reformed short of A: giving them yet *another* chance or B: *encouraging* them to play on alternate accounts as "proof," I can't in good conscious support this. It's nothing against you personally, but I think it would set a bad precedent for the rest of the game.
deathgod5 (EUW)
: Unfortunately no, and I would change all your passwords for now if your brother is using your account it could lead to a ban.
> [{quoted}](name=deathgod5,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fa0Bcm1m,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-18T11:27:43.908+0000) > > Unfortunately no, and I would change all your passwords for now if your brother is using your account it could lead to a ban. ^This. Account sharing can lead to an *immediate* and *irreversible* permanent ban, so crack down on your account security ASAP.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mmAEHoI3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-18T04:44:42.866+0000) > > My guess is that the better target accessibility and the more reliable stuns from the extra 50 Heroic Charge range pushed her into a better place as far as what she could reliably contribute to a team, but also resulted in her having a little too much power, as she gained better engage and more stun potential (as she travels further). There&#x27;s also the possibility that she benefits a lot from some upcoming change that makes her a likely contender to gain significant power. How would they know how better her place would be if they never let her be with the E and R changes alone? Why assume she would have too much power instead of observe her actual power across servers?
> [{quoted}](name=Just Brie,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mmAEHoI3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-04-18T04:56:19.071+0000) > > How would they know how better her place would be if they never let her be with the E and R changes alone? Why assume she would have too much power instead of observe her actual power across servers? Riot does have playtesters, and can sometimes spot issues before they crop up on the live servers. If they thought there might be an issue, preemptively toning it down and then buffing slightly if necessary is a solid approach. It also helps you avoid the "Poppy got buffed quick everyone play Poppy" effect where you get a bunch of new Poppy players struggling with her, making a lot of your balance data less reliable.
: Possible Reasons Why Riot is Nerfing Poppy
My guess is that the better target accessibility and the more reliable stuns from the extra 50 Heroic Charge range pushed her into a better place as far as what she could reliably contribute to a team, but also resulted in her having a little too much power, as she gained better engage and more stun potential (as she travels further). There's also the possibility that she benefits a lot from some upcoming change that makes her a likely contender to gain significant power.
DracoMTA (NA)
: Manamune changes on PBE?
It means that, if you had, say, 400 mana out of 800 mana (i.e. 50% max mana) and gained 4 max mana (bringing you to 804 max), your current mana would be set to 402 instead of 404, as 402 is 50% of 804. In short, Tear no longer gives you 4 CURRENT mana per spell cast, but rather a number based on the percentage of current mana to total mana.
: I mean the Irelia thing you're talking about. If you press a button, and it comes off cooldown shortly thereafter, it will now register that attempt to cast the spell and as soon as it comes up, cast it.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=zjf6dLzc,comment-id=00270000,timestamp=2018-04-18T01:10:23.571+0000) > > I mean the Irelia thing you're talking about. If you press a button, and it comes off cooldown shortly thereafter, it will now register that attempt to cast the spell and as soon as it comes up, cast it. Out of curiosity...how short is short? I can see this being occasionally frustrating unless it's pretty tightly tuned.
: *Claps* You are a blessing and sadly I don't think people will listen to you. I am glad there are SOME people like you are around.
> [{quoted}](name=Lintu Puck,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MjzyFcYR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-18T00:58:58.081+0000) > > *Claps* > You are a blessing and sadly I don&#x27;t think people will listen to you. > I am glad there are SOME people like you are around. {{sticker:sg-lux}}
: Djinn. I agree that the original post was inflammatory at best. REALLY I do. I was going to delete it myself until someone replied. I come looking for arguments that I was WRONG in it. However. I am sure you should also be able to see that I am generally not a toxic poster, and if you had the authority, you would see that I am not a toxic player. AS SUCH, do you not think that it is worth noting that someone such as I, with a none toxic history. Actually started typing such inflammatory b.s in the first place? Should it not be looked at as the first post in what is now a player who feel as though the company has rejected its formal balance design? I have TRIED to be nice, but I feel as though I am dealing with a younger sibling or child at this point. The disappointment is maddening. No matter what I post beforehand. No matter how nice I am am about it. They will NEVER remember the positive posts they see as well as the negative (thats basic human psychology Negative>Positive in the mind) , and I feel as though they have no intention to change with it, because kindness just shows they do not have to worry about alienating players. It means we still have rope left before we start to feel suffocated and angry. Now. I get what you are saying about balance being a terribly difficult job. I understand and did for years. I get it. Nothing is what it seems to be. I own 3 businesses at this point, and I feel like I can understand the endless Waka-mole game balance is playing. Which just makes me more infuriated. How many times can the team make the same mistake before learning? Please. Tell me you see the point I'm failing to make here. Why do they keep making the same mistakes OVER and OVER and OVER? I-I cant even..... Its driving me mad. I try not to think about, really. I try to be kind as I said, and as I hope the history shows. But WHY can't they just learn from their mistakes? This game is the ONLY outlet I have for the shitshow that is my life. I just want it to be good. I dont ask for perfect balance. I ask for a team that learns from its mistakes which I see no evidence of in riot. So for someone who LOVES this game, If I see one approach isn't working, (the kind one) does it not make sense. Logically, to do a 180 and try the other? I mean, honestly. I'm just at the end of the rope here.... I just want them to stop putting their dicks in the blender. Just zip up the pants, and observe want they have done in the past, and how it worked out in the grand scheme of things. ** Edit. I am more then willing to talk about this and maintain a civil attitude should you wish to talk over discord or such.
> [{quoted}](name=TheWoollyMammoth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MjzyFcYR,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-04-18T01:33:19.686+0000)AS SUCH, do you not think that it is worth noting that someone such as I, with a none toxic history. Actually started typing such inflammatory b.s in the first place? Should it not be looked at as the first post in what is now a player who feel as though the company has rejected its formal balance design? I do not really consider it worth noting, no, as a large number of players -- even frustrated ones -- manage to express their thoughts rationally and in a helpful manner. I'm sorry that you don't feel like your input is listened to, but I don't think that's something that's Riot's fault, especially when they've recently *improved* on their transparency and willingness to engage with the community. It may not be enough for you, which I'm sorry to hear, but I don't think this single case is indicative of anything other than that you personally feel you have no other recourse. > I have TRIED to be nice, but I feel as though I am dealing with a younger sibling or child at this point. Out of curiosity, what do you EXPECT to see from Riot when you post your thoughts, as one of several million players? I can't help but wonder if the issue here is a mismatch between what you want out of *League* (or think Riot should be prioritizing) and what Riot wants out of *League* or wants to prioritize. More specifically than some generic thing like "balance" that can mean multiple things to multiple people. >Why do they keep making the same mistakes OVER and OVER and OVER? Frankly, I don't agree that they do. Sometimes mistakes are similar (a character is overpowered, a character is underpowered, [insert-role-here] is too strong, etc), but I haven't see a recurring trend of similar mistakes over and over. Similar outcomes with different things in different situations, perhaps. Similar large experiments that don't quite work out, perhaps. But the same mistake? I don't agree. You also need to bear in mind that *League* is evolving into a game with more and more truly unique elements. Runes, Elemental Drakes, odd characters like Kai'Sa who haven't been fully explored before, unusual interactions like those of Swain or Ivern or Illaoi or Urgot or Zoe or Kled or Aurelion Sol or Jhin...the list goes on. Riot is really trying to make their champions feel as unique and as cool as they can, and that uniqueness means that you're going to miss the mark sometimes. Frankly, I'm not really sure what you're referring to as recurring problems here, and that makes it hard to specifically engage in a discussion of those points. > So for someone who LOVES this game, If I see one approach isn&#x27;t working, (the kind one) does it not make sense. Logically, to do a 180 and try the other? It really doesn't, when you consider what Riot themselves have stated here about how they read and process comments. No one is saying you can't be frustrated or express frustration, but you need to do so in a productive fashion that still shows your respect for the individuals behind the product as people, even if you disagree or disapprove of the work they do. To do otherwise is to lock out discourse and immediately render your point an angry rant that doesn't need to merit a second glance unless a company is failing -- and, while you may not be happy with the current state of things, *League* is far from failing at the moment.
: @ Captain Marvelous
> [{quoted}](name=TheWoollyMammoth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MjzyFcYR,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-17T23:41:29.142+0000)Just give me a good reason not to be pissed at the idiots behind balance and gameplay. So, if you're honestly looking for a reason here -- as someone with a deep professional interest in game design, it's *hard*, especially with asymmetrical games, multiple roles, vastly differing server communities, and over a hundred and thirty characters (not to mention objective balance, itemization, multiple skill levels, etc). Riot can't really hit 100% or even close to it, especially since larger changes have to be approached a bit at a time to avoid throwing the entire ecosystem out of alignment at once, so sometimes a long-term change for the better comes as a few frustrating patches before things equalize. It's also entirely possible that the design decisions being made are making the game worse for *you*, but it's also important to realize that *League* is bigger than yourself, and the best way to make yourself heard (as Riot themselves have stated) is to have well-reasoned and respectful discussion. They may not always comment, and they may not always agree with you, but telling them your specific problems in a calm, rational manner is infinitely more likely to get them to understand and appreciate your perspective than raging at them. I looked at the post in question here, and if I were a designer I'd not give it a second thought. Had it instead been something along the lines of "Hey Riot -- I *really* hate the mana changes you're testing, as I already struggle to maintain enough mana to contribute to an extended skirmish once I hit mid-game, and I'm afraid that constricting my mana pool further will lead to me having no ability to contribute unless fights happen quickly or I have blue buff. What are your plans for players like myself who already have difficulty keeping our pools high enough to effectively contribute?" -- well, THEN if I saw that I'd at least be thinking "Hm. Let's make sure we get some lower MMR players testing this to see if it feels restrictive, and see if we can do some work to make it so they still feel like they have options...or at least determine if the damage we might be doing to their playstyle is ultimately something we think is in the best interest of the game." >So you are going to be deleting ALOT of my posts. That is, bluntly, not how this works. If you cannot abide by board rules, then we will take steps as appropriate.
Sadolm (EUW)
: <offensive title targeted at riot, likely written by a 12 year old>
So while I'm sure some find this post amusing, and while some people might find some threads on this board difficult to believe, the **Player Behavior** boards are not the place for this sort of parody post. If you wish to lampoon posts of this sort, the **Memes & Games** board is a better place to do so, and also an environment where it is likely to be taken in the spirit of a good joke, rather than as a belittling commentary on other community members at a time when they are extremely frustrated. As a result, I will be locking this thread, as it is not aligned with the intent behind the **Player Behavior** boards.
: Game 1 Arkadated: zed 6 Arkadated: not gonna lie that was smooth Arkadated: shield Arkadated: wtfff Arkadated: ok zed player Arkadated: this ww man Arkadated: bro wtf are u lmao Arkadated: no shit Arkadated: yea Arkadated: mmhm Arkadated: not even tilted Arkadated: too bad ik who u are :) Arkadated: zed rofl Arkadated: zed smurfing lmaooo Arkadated: ur one to talk Arkadated: 0 gank squad Arkadated: 0 drag squad Arkadated: 0 obj squad Arkadated: lit breh Arkadated: i mean Arkadated: smurfs are smurfs lmao Arkadated: team thinks i suck tho Arkadated: ?? Arkadated: hes smurfing bro Arkadated: its obvious Arkadated: you didnt lane against him Arkadated: so its ez for u to say Arkadated: but thats ok Arkadated: %%%s are %%%s Arkadated: someone saying no lol Arkadated: i need time Arkadated: nvm Arkadated: i inted this game Arkadated: nest one Arkadated: never got fucked like this b4 Arkadated: ?? Arkadated: lmao u a hater then? Arkadated: shit these are my chat logs
> [{quoted}](name=Arkadated,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=07Pv1ETA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T20:16:23.029+0000) > Arkadated: 0 gank squad > Arkadated: 0 drag squad > Arkadated: 0 obj squad > Arkadated: smurfs are smurfs lmao This is insulting to your team, and not something you should be doing, but this by itself would be a chat restriction at worst. > Arkadated: %%%s are %%%s This, on the other hand, is hate speech, and earns a 14-day ban on the first offense. I'm afraid to tell you this one is 100% correctly applied, and Riot will not reduce the severity.
: Just Pure, Wholesome Memes (Totally not clickbait)
Stop the clickbait madness! [Click here to find out how.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/kWzbw5ey-just-pure-wholesome-memes-totally-not-clickbait?comment=0000)
: Permanently Banned
>...and they just fking took it? If you received previous punishments, they did not "just take it." They warned you at least once, and likely several times, that your behavior was in violation of the terms and conditions you agreed to abide by when you accepted Riot's terms of use. If you proceed to violate those terms of use and don't respond to the several warnings, they are well within their right to terminate your access to their service.
: I got banned for 14 days for "negative conduct".
The other individual in your game, if reported, will be judged by the system based on his or her current standing and his or her behavior in that game. If you provide your chat logs we can probably help you figure out whether or not there's a chance that you could plead your case with Riot for a reduction. That said, an immediate 14-day ban from nothing usually means you violated a zero-tolerance policy, in which case they would not consider reducing your ban.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=u3OtgLJ1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-17T15:59:13.761+0000) > > So I&#x27;ve talked with some of the design and balance team for various reasons over the years, and I can say that it&#x27;s frankly an insult to some of the most passionate, game-focused and community-focused people I&#x27;ve ever seen at a game company to say this. > > Now, that&#x27;s not to say you can&#x27;t criticize the choices they make, the way they choose to balance, the results they get, etc. It&#x27;s just important to know that the design and balance teams -- and the skins team, and the lore team, and so on and so forth -- all put pretty much everything they can into trying to make the best game they can. It may not be the choices you want, or the choices that make everyone in the community happy. Hell, sometimes it&#x27;s a choice that&#x27;s quite possibly an incorrect one in retrospect. But to say they don&#x27;t care about the game or the community is flatly false, and honestly really gets in the way of more constructive discussions about WHY they make the choices they do and what the community might like to see instead. I don't argue that they care. I am in school to be a game developer, and I understand how you can be extremely passionate about something, but at the end of the day the head of the company has different ideas. For all I know, they are doing what they can to listen to the people on the boards, but the higher ups are more focused on giving recourses to the skin teams than they are to the dev teams.
> [{quoted}](name=Recon1212,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=u3OtgLJ1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-17T16:09:58.859+0000)...but at the end of the day the head of the company has different ideas. For all I know, they are doing what they can to listen to the people on the boards, but the higher ups are more focused on giving resources to the skin teams than they are to the dev teams. The heads of the company, from everything I have heard, are also interested in making *League* the best game it can be. It's important to understand that the boards are A: a minority of *League* players, B: a bunch of non-designers, for the most part, and C: *very* vocal. Often what the boards wants isn't really in the best interest of *League*, or is a *far* more complicated problem than the majority of the community things (such as "damage is too high," which is a common complaint that, if you attempted to change quickly, would have *severe* gameplay ramifications across the entire *League* experience). This can lead to the perception that Riot doesn't care, isn't looking into things, or isn't trying, but the reality is that there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes, and we're not yet at the point where Riot can say "hey, here's this really experimental change we're trying" without community uproar if it's something they dislike, or something they LIKE in theory but doesn't end up getting shipped due to some other major issue.
: So Riot Wants Money
> [{quoted}](name=Recon1212,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=u3OtgLJ1,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-17T15:48:32.733+0000)So I see all over the boards, that riot's balanced team is shit because they care more about skins and $$ than actually making the game good. Well, I agree. So I've talked with some of the design and balance team for various reasons over the years, and I can say that it's frankly an insult to some of the most passionate, game-focused and community-focused people I've ever seen at a game company to say this. Now, that's not to say you can't criticize the choices they make, the way they choose to balance, the results they get, etc. It's just important to know that the design and balance teams -- and the skins team, and the lore team, and so on and so forth -- all put pretty much everything they can into trying to make the best game they can. It may not be the choices you want, or the choices that make everyone in the community happy. Hell, sometimes it's a choice that's quite possibly an incorrect one in retrospect. But to say they don't care about the game or the community is flatly false, and honestly really gets in the way of more constructive discussions about WHY they make the choices they do and what the community might like to see instead.
Reelix (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rkdnoET8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-17T15:47:56.587+0000) > > The system cares about spamming &quot;ez&quot; and calling players trash. It just doesn&#x27;t necessarily hit them *immediately*, as they could normally behave fine, or only be 50% of the way to a punishment. Isn't this kind of system easily abused? I mean the player could be like this for 1 day and then wait a few weeks and do the same thing again and not get punished, or am i wrong?
> [{quoted}](name=Reelix,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rkdnoET8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T15:51:11.218+0000)Isn't this kind of system easily abused? I mean the player could be like this for 1 day and then wait a few weeks and do the same thing again and not get punished, or am i wrong? Good behavior CAN restore your account standing, definitely. But, frankly, people *do* have bad days. While the player who spams EZ for a game and calls a teammate trash once every few weeks is frustrating for that game, it's far better than the one who does it every other game. In instances like your example here they could avoid punishment, certainly. But it's a factor of frequency AND severity, so if they're REALLY toxic every one in a while they'll still get hit. It's very minor toxicity that's shown fairly rarely that gets by, and that's largely intentional, as we all get frustrated from time to time and Riot knows that.
Reelix (EUW)
: Unsportsmanlike players
The system cares about spamming "ez" and calling players trash. It just doesn't necessarily hit them *immediately*, as they could normally behave fine, or only be 50% of the way to a punishment.
: > [{quoted}](name=oOBestEveNAOo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Njgq8e0,comment-id=000700010000,timestamp=2018-04-17T03:24:33.790+0000) > > Not quite how it works. Yeah I know, so tell me how it works then. Is the ToU a legally binding contract or not?
> [{quoted}](name=DBS Ronovon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Njgq8e0,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T14:49:28.951+0000)Is the ToU a legally binding contract or not? In general, Terms of Use clauses that require someone to click "I accept" are commonly held up in court, while others that simply have a Terms of Use and call standard use of a site as an agreement (such as your example here) are almost always thrown out. By these norms, Riot's Terms of Use would likely stand up, but I am not a lawyer nor are the forums a good place for actual legal advice. If you seek an actual legal answer, consult a legal professional through an appropriate avenue.
wheetbix (OCE)
: Please let me off my ban
Bans are almost never lifted or rolled back, save in cases where the ban is incorrectly applied (or the *extremely* rare case where a Player Support agent decides to give someone a second chance). I'm afraid chance are very high that the ban will remain, and need to be served in full.
: Cool, so it's officially allowed to name&shame names that are very close to real names, I will keep it in mind, thanks :) And "but I'd give that name maybe a day before it's caught", should not be a factor when you talk about naming&shaming. According to the rules naming the satan itself is the same as naming an angel :D Nice double standards you have too....
> [{quoted}](name=Ph03n1xdust,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3qznnPoh,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-17T15:11:17.174+0000)Cool, so it's officially allowed to name & shame names that are very close to real names, I will keep it in mind, thanks If that's the takeaway you want from using a non-existent name as an example to answer a board member's inquiry, sure. It's an incorrect takeaway, but you do you. I *personally* don't have a problem if you want to make a meme thread blaming an obviously non-existent summoner like **ThisNameIsTooLongAndThisSummonerIsAJerk** for all your in-game problems, so long as you do so in the appropriate place (***Memes & Games***, in this case). If you're using names close to real names to intentionally draw attention to real players, then we may have an issue. > And "but I'd give that name maybe a day before it's caught", should not be a factor when you talk about naming & shaming. Luckily I wasn't talking about naming or shaming there -- I was simply saying that, if someone DID have the urge to make that account, the name would likely end up changed fairly soon. But I'm not overly concerned, as if someone WANTED to make an inappropriate name they wouldn't need my suggestion to do so.
: Nice naming and shaming you have there ;) (Even trying to cover by saying "to invent a name at random")
> [{quoted}](name=Ph03n1xdust,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3qznnPoh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T14:22:39.963+0000) > > Nice naming and shaming you have there ;) > > (Even trying to cover by saying &quot;to invent a name at random&quot;) As of this point in time, that name does not exist on any *League* server. I checked, just to make sure. It's possible someone might create it, sure, but I'd give that name *maybe* a day before it's caught.
: Galio legit has no bad matchups in mid.
Galio currently has a 47% win rate on Champion.gg, with TWELVE mid match-ups where he has below a 45% win rate. I'm not in a position to argue whether or not he's overtuned personally (haven't looked into it in depth), but it seems that at least some match-ups really don't go his way at all.
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