: Ignite doesn't give True Vision, so it doesn't reveal camouflage. (Think of Eve and control wards.)
Huh, I see. That's good (or bad, depending on the situation) to know.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000a0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T19:36:05.640+0000) > > How is her entire a "bs example"? She was literally designed around functioning within team fights. -1 > > Zed was conceptualized around being able to get into a skirmish, burst down the carry, then get out. -2 > > But, he IS meant for team fights. Why do you think he has a damaging dash with CD that lowers on his main damage output? A massive AOE that lowers attack damage and movement speed of those around him? 5-second invincibility? Self-heal? > > I think you just have no idea what you're talking about. Sounds about right for most of Akali's critics, tho. Lol. You have no real argument so instead fall back on “but muh akali!!!!!” Go figure.
You say as you have no response to literally everything I just said which counters everything you thought you were right about. Check, please.
: Akali's sustain, like Kat / Zed, comes in the form of avoidance. Dodging an ability reduces it's damage by 100%...
That's not sustain, that's survivability. TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT GAME. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Meanwhile, over in DOTA land:
As if "trolling" is the problem with matchmaking. The problem with matchmaking is that Riot's system can't seem to tell the difference between an outstanding player in any rank, and a terrible player in that same rank. Matchmaking is done based on nothing but whether or not the shittiest players get carried to the rank within which they don't have the skills to reach themselves.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000a00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T15:30:46.857+0000) > > A champion with multiple mobility options, AOE primary ability and a stealth mechanic isn't meant for team fights? I can use bs examples to make ANY champion seem like a team right monster. A champion with multiple blinks, entirely aoe damage and an execute isn’t meant for team fighting {{champion:238}} A champion with resetting dashes, massive crits and a 5 second invincibility isn’t meant for team fights? {{champion:23}} You can make any champion sounds good in team fights if you bs hard enough. -.-
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000a000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T18:41:46.777+0000) > > I can use bs examples to make ANY champion seem like a team right monster. How is her entire a "bs example"? She was literally designed around functioning within team fights. -1 > A champion with multiple blinks, entirely aoe damage and an execute isn’t meant for team fighting {{champion:238}} Zed was conceptualized around being able to get into a skirmish, burst down the carry, then get out. -2 > A champion with resetting dashes, massive crits and a 5 second invincibility isn’t meant for team fights? {{champion:23}} But, he IS meant for team fights. Why do you think he has a damaging dash with CD that lowers on his main damage output? A massive AOE that lowers attack damage and movement speed of those around him? 5-second invincibility? Self-heal? > You can make any champion sounds good in team fights if you bs hard enough. -.- I think you just have no idea what you're talking about. Sounds about right for most of Akali's critics, tho.
: I didn't say she had sustain, none of the champions on that list have sustain built into their kits either, except {{champion:517}} and yes she does have the power to one-shot unless you target someone who's a tank or specifically building MR to counter her burst, in which case now she gets to be just like ALL THE OTHER AP assassins in the game and SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP until she has {{item:3135}}. Honestly though, just focus the squishy target with no MR and stop trying to 1v1 the Garen.
You right, you said survivability. Thing is, Azir has a shield. Fiora actually does have sustain and a loooot of it. Irelia has sustain. Riven has a shield. Ryze has a shield. Yasuo has a shield. Zoe has...well, whatever spell she picks up. Barrier. Heal. That thing with the massive AOE heal circle. No, Akali's not one-shotting anybody, ***unless she's ahead***. Just to be sure, to "one-shot" someone falls under two categories I've heard: Either eliminating a champ in one ability or one rotation of abilities. Akali's not smacking someone in one rotation.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T11:30:29.100+0000) > > You...you mean aside from his AOE ability that halves attack speeds?..and the 40% slow that also allows him to 100% stick to his target..? I can't believe that you think Akali has more impact than Malphite getting a 4-man ult. > > Yeah, you're right. Riven has hella impact. Both of them have more impact than Akali, who we're talking about. Akali isn’t meant for team fights. :/ that’s like comparing zed and azir. :/
A champion with multiple mobility options, AOE primary ability and a stealth mechanic isn't meant for team fights?
: I can barely play Akali and she still feels strong to me, she still has the damage and survivability she needs to assassinate a target and get out (or kill everyone else) with proper positioning and decision-making. I don't have enough experience with her to 1v9, but she definitely has the potential to do so in the right hands. {{champion:84}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:142}} All these champs (regardless of how easy they are to pick up) have near-infinite skillcaps, so basically if someone isn't able to 1v9 the vast majority of games with them, it's their fault, not the champion's.
What sustain does she have that literally any other champ doesn't have access to? (Gunblade) In case you forgot, her healing was removed lol and she doesn't have the power to one-shot (that was her core design change with her rework and following nerfs) unless she's ahead, but at that point it's not about her anymore. Most of those you listed far outclass Akali now.
: She was instead a facemash inescapable turd with zero counterplay. Would rather the akali who has to aim even a little bit, to the only who can point+click splody splody boom boom people
I will never, ***EVER*** understand people who prefer Akali pre-rework as if she didn't have 3 half-screen ranged dashes which reset on kills, 1-second AOE damage at low cost, 50% heal off every ability, A BUILT-IN FLASH ON HER AOE STEALTH... I'm gonna be real here, new Akali is a godsend by comparison.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-15T01:04:34.181+0000) > > Lie she was hella fun after her rework. Then one part got nerfed. Then another part. Then another. And another. And another. Akali now is so far from her intended rework that we might as well say she's not the same champ anymore. He wasn't talking about Akali's perspective.
I wasn't, neither. She was fun to play and fun to play against. Now she's too easily countered and too easy to lose as.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-09-16T18:51:33.250+0000) > > Is she powerful? All the times I've seen her this week, unless she's getting a significant amount of help or are extremely outclassing whoever she's played against, she seemed pretty weak. Akali can be vary powerfully when you are coming bot lane, playing againsted a counter or just really good in general!
The same can be said for any champion, though. Mid lane is pretty strong regardless because of the roaming potential. Akaly or any other assassin should be roaming if they can. I don't think she can fair well if she's set back, thoguh.
: She can hit a minion or jungle monster with it, equating to zero damage on the intended target. That, is how you wiff a point and click ability. Also, her ult spreads far enough from the initial impact point that she can blow up both sides of the dragon/baron pit and into the river with a single button press. She can be as far away as the scuttle spawn and still hit red-side bot lane by ulting the wall while they farm under turret. "counterplay" my ass. If Zed misses his shurikens, his ult does nothing. If leblanc misses her chains and her leap, she does no damage. If evelynn fails to proc her W, she doesn't get any of the magic resist shred and the E R combo (R doing bonus damage based on missing health, therefore doing nothing if all she hit was her E) will do around zero meaningful damage.
> [{quoted}](name=CloakAndGrenade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3ckrk0Xc,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-09-17T00:28:11.499+0000) > > She can hit a minion or jungle monster with it, equating to zero damage on the intended target. That, is how you wiff a point and click ability. There's an option to target only champions with abilities lol Or maybe I'm just thinking of general MMOs. > Also, her ult spreads far enough from the initial impact point that she can blow up both sides of the dragon/baron pit and into the river with a single button press. She can be as far away as the scuttle spawn and still hit red-side bot lane by ulting the wall while they farm under turret. "counterplay" my ass. Her ult is not reaching bot lane tower from scuttle spawn. That's just a ***lie***. Not only that, but the actual extension-from-wall isn't that great. It's like...something around Riven's dash range, which is extremely short. > If Zed misses his shurikens, his ult does nothing. If leblanc misses her chains and her leap, she does no damage. If evelynn fails to proc her W, she doesn't get any of the magic resist shred and the E R combo (R doing bonus damage based on missing health, therefore doing nothing if all she hit was her E) will do around zero meaningful damage. From my experience, that's a nah. Zed's ult stacks off ALL damage Zed does. That means any on-shits. That means any activation items. That means his auto attacks. That means ignite. That means his W. LB hit's two Qs and you're almost dead. Electrocute is a thing, after all. Don't let her get the early lead. Evelynn doesn't need MR shred against people who don't have MR. And, again, electrocute is a thing. E-Q-Auto-R is enough to handle most every squishie out there. A lot of what you're saying would make sense on paper, but this is a game with too many factors that determine just how incorrect you can be.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-09-16T18:52:10.504+0000) > > A lot of champions have that type of impact on the game, though. Any champion with large AOE CC for instance. Not even close. Sure Malphite can land that big 4 man knock up. Then what? He does nothing else for the rest of that fight. Riven in the other hand can knock up multiple people, then stun multiple people, then do it again cause “Lul sos”. All while shitting out massive amounts of damage and being tankier than that Malphite can ever dream of being.
You...you mean aside from his AOE ability that halves attack speeds?..and the 40% slow that also allows him to 100% stick to his target..? I can't believe that you think Akali has more impact than Malphite getting a 4-man ult. Yeah, you're right. Riven has hella impact. Both of them have more impact than Akali, who we're talking about.
: Imo the main thing that was cancerous about her was shroud under turrets (no safety for the enemy champ) and Her healing being attached to her main waveclear. I think an interesting thought would be to put waveclear on her passive auto, same as it was before the rework but not as easy to proc, and a little reward for weaving it in.
The thing about that is her waveclear was on her old E (After the Assassin rework, her E's CD was halved if it killed minions) and the point of her rework was the retain her original tools but in a new way. Every aspect of her pre-rework existed in the rework (Though the shroud under tower is new). To me, that was the least problematic aspect of her. Even if I couldn't target her, I ***could*** target her if she attacked, not only that but if she attacked she'd also take a turret shot. Not **only** that but when she was under tower her location was entirely visible, so if you played any champion with AOEs and Skillshots it wasn't a problem at all. Maybe I'm biased in that matter because I only play champs who have skillshots and AOEs. Not every champ has those tools which sucks for them, but I mean not every champion has range, not every champion has mobility, not every champion has sustain and not every champion has burst. Because some champions lack the tools to handle her doesn't mean it's her problem. Anywho, comparing old Akali to new Akali, old was much more problematic. New Akali can Q like 2 times--3 max in a short amount of time and 4 if you waste stealth for energy regen--before she's out of energy. It's early damage isn't all that, so you're not one-shotting minions at level 6 ***unless she's ahead***. TBF I don't see why they put her heal on her Q. Compared to Old Akali it seemed more obvious to put **keep** healing on her passive. Could also put the slow from her Q on that passive as well. While I don't feel that her stealth under tower was as big a deal as people made it out to be, I'm not upset that it's gone. Overall, I just wish Riot would be smarter about these changes to Akali instead of just "Well, everyone says it's bad so let's just completely remove it!" her being pure damage and mobility doesn't feel like Akali at all. It limits her options to go in-> try to kill-> go out
: > [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hkcsV89m,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-09-16T20:00:47.359+0000) > > trick2g get's legit trigger tilted and either smashes his keyboard with his fists, or goes full rockstar on his keyboard and holds a vs match between it and his desk. > guess who wins I'm guessing that his streaming income wins. "Is my keyboard 100% beyond broken? Riot NEEDS to nerf my rage!" 7,691 comments, 2.3 million views.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hkcsV89m,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-09-16T20:12:40.137+0000) > > I'm guessing that his streaming income wins. "Is my keyboard 100% beyond broken? Riot NEEDS to nerf my rage!" 7,691 comments, 2.3 million views. There's a reason why there's a joke about him making stupid ass mistakes and his keyboard praying to the gods {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NcyYFg5E,comment-id=0026,timestamp=2019-09-16T19:47:59.099+0000) > > I have a problem with this, because it seems like before it wasn't a problem because it functioned differently: > > If I recall, Ignite gives vision of you. Pyke can only heal if there's no vision of him. A few weeks ago I noticed that as Pyke I was ignited and died despite being far away from enemies and under W but recently I also noticed that under the same scenario I as Pyke was healing. > > Could this just be a bug? That's a good point. In addition to Ignite dampening healing, he shouldn't have been healing at all because they should've had vision. In fact, the icon showed vision. Seems like this may be a bug.
I'm almost positive this is a bug because I specifically remember not being able to heal even while using W because of ignite.
: Yes, in 1v1/2v2 situations she has plenty of damage to kill, even without full combo if shes ahead, the only difference is now she doesn't harass under tower in the same oppressive way she did before they fixed the shroud, and she can't just EZ mode sustain through poke just by farming with Q. Before she had very few trade-offs/risk b/c of Q healing keeping her healthy and shroud taking away towerdive risk, they balanced this by giving her damage (which an assassin should have) and removing her safety and it made her a lot less cancerous to play against.
I'll go ahead and ignore that "If she's ahead" line because there can be a lot of wild scenarios within this game if the subject champion is ahead lol I do agree that she has a loooot of less tools, some of which were a bit unfair, but all that could've been handled with a bit of nerfing not by completely removing them. Riot is so extremely with everything when the logical solution is to just make things fair.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AoLucOTy,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T19:44:32.256+0000) > > No no, those are all Japanese manga I'm listing. If the source culture is defining magical girls with all these rated R scenarios such as r*pe, murder, mental instability, sex, drug addiction, alcoholism, sex abuse, etc, etc, etc, who are you to say otherwise? I'm not saying they're not Japanese, I'm saying western interpretation of what constitutes a proper genre entry is broader than Japan's. Sorry, I edited after your reply to clarify that, I should've been more clear to start with. I can't link you to Japanese lists without getting warned for linking foreign language content, but suffice to say, the only dark series that ever hits those lists is Madoka, and even that's only some of the lists.
Ahhh, I see. In that case, doesn't all of this depend on your personal interpretation of what a "Magical Girl" story is? Interpretations of a genre changes with the times. Just a while ago, no magical girl story would ever include rated R plot elements, but that's no longer the case. As well, nobody would've thought to include male characters into the genre but now it's pretty much a less-than common theme. Just as anime has, despite the constant claims from Japanese developers that it's no different than western cartoons, become it's own genre of art, the genre of Magical Girl is rarely defined by it's plot moreso than it's focus. As most Japanese writers would say, if the series is about transforming female characters then it's a Mahou Shoujo story. Just like how Shonen stories are no longer defined by the main character being a boy and going out to fight supervillains. Just like how Isekai are no longer strictly about being trapped in video game worlds. Interpretations have changed with the times.
Trogmar (NA)
: Good multi position champs?
Pyke if you're willing to put in the extra effort. Taric, though I haven't done much with him this season so I can't say whether or not the versatility still exists. Twitch, I've found, is great with ADC Jungling or Mid depending on how you want to do things. I've been seeing a lot of Quinn all over the place. I've done well with Yorick, Swain and Urgot in at least 3 positions each.
: every streamer every other week: "i JuSt BrOkE mY kEyBoArD"
And he's usually mentioning how long it takes him to put them back together so he just said "fuck it" lol
l MrD l (NA)
: Oh no pyke got caught ....
I have a problem with this, because it seems like before it wasn't a problem because it functioned differently: If I recall, Ignite gives vision of you. Pyke can only heal if there's no vision of him. A few weeks ago I noticed that as Pyke I was ignited and died despite being far away from enemies and under W but recently I also noticed that under the same scenario I as Pyke was healing. Could this just be a bug?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AoLucOTy,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T19:38:38.072+0000) > > (Tl;Dr: You have a pretty narrow view of the Magical Girl genre and Xayah and Rakan's characters lol) > > I was following you till you reached the point about defining magical girls as a genre. > > I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT... > > We've got [magical girl warfare assassination and murder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica), [magical girl mass genocide apocalypse featuring a lolicon cop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Apocalypse), [magical girl series filled with murder, one of which being bullied into suicide and her brother physically assaults her out of his sick fetish while another is a habitual cutter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Site), [magical girls forced into a deathmatch including an alcoholic housewife who's angst within her failing life caused her to be a sadistic hitman hired by gangsters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Raising_Project), one of my personal favorites being of [a magical girl who's a chronic smoker and delinquent ](https://myanimelist.net/manga/103815/Machigatta_Ko_wo_Mahou_Shoujo_ni_Shiteshimatta), and lastly a [magical girl who ends up as a villain who's fetish is torturing magical girls.](https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=153690) > > Rakan is by far one of the most tame Magical Girl characters out there. He has an open chest? He's self-centered? In a genre full of murder, sex, and everything else rated R, how doesn't Rakan fit? > > It fits because Rakan chooses to be there, and for almost every incarnation of his character (Classic and Star Guardian) he's always the one protecting Xayah and covering for her blatant flaws. This isn't a generic obsession, it's "I love her and she fucks up but I still love her so I'll be there for her and I won't say 'I told you so' but Xayah remember that time I said--" you get the idea. Rakan isn't just some lovesick puppy, he's a flamboyant knight. And another difference is the fact that Xayah is constantly, ***CONSTANTLY***, mentioning how much she either appreciates him, is always causing trouble for him, or can't be strong enough to do what she does without him. Western media seems to have a very broad definition of "magical girl". By your definition, maybe Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and Scarlet Witch really are mahou shoujo leads... Maybe the problem isn't Riot, then, but the west's misunderstanding of Japanese media. Series like Madoka and Magical Girl Site are what we call deconstructions. They're not on-genre series, but rather series that use elements of a genre, then target it towards a non-standard group by basically showing you what this might look like with the more grim overtones of a realist worldview applied. These, alongside comedy parodies like Machimaho, don't come into Japanese discussions on genre. Apparently they do in North America.
No no, those are all Japanese manga I'm listing. If the source culture is defining magical girls with all these rated R scenarios such as r*pe, murder, mental instability, sex, drug addiction, alcoholism, sex abuse, etc, etc, etc, who are you to say otherwise?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AoLucOTy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T13:49:13.685+0000) > > What do you mean by "Don't fit"? Rakan in general--not just Star Guardian--is a character who's entire involvement with anything forever is because Xayah is there. He's freedom-fighting because of Xayah. He's in League because of Xayah. He's a Star Guardian because of Xayah, and he fell because of Xayah. What do you feel isn't fitting? Maybe this is a side effect of growing up with a little sister, but his whole... _thing_ just doesn't fit Rakan. Lux is PERFECT. Jinx, the way they wrote her for this skin line, is feasible. Ahri makes sense. Syndra... maybe. Soraka certainly can. MF is starting to stretch it. Then you get to Ezreal and Rakan and they just completely break the homage for the sake of these two. Rakan borders on aggressively flirty. He's walking around with a painted chest bared for all to see. He's got this smug, self-important aura that detracts from the female characters by making it about himself. All this makes sense for Rakan, it's true. But when your homage is mahou shoujo, a genre meant for very young girls, all this just feels creepy. Except that last bit, which is a problem because it pulls the focus away from the female characters and throws it onto the male characters. (And yes, I get that these SKINS aren't made for young girls. What I'm saying is that the genre they're drawing from is, and that's why it's unsettling to me to see Rakan walking around looking like an exotic dancer. I wouldn't have wanted my sister to see that.) What I'm saying isn't that Star Guardian Rakan doesn't make sense from a Xaykan standpoint. I'm saying that he doesn't belong in this sort of homage. The setting itself doesn't "fit" his style, and to alter him so that it did would take most of his character away. So instead, they bend the setting to fit Rakan. (And then if you want to take it to a North American issue, the idea that a person should 100% dedicate their existence to another person... Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this viewed as somehow... What's the word? Inappropriate, in North American culture? I mean I'm fairly sure if the roles were flipped and Xayah lived only for Rakan, to follow him wherever he went and risk her life for his whim, American gamers would NOT be onboard with that. I'm not sure why it's okay if Rakan is doing it. Maybe it's just me not understanding the culture properly.)
(Tl;Dr: You have a pretty narrow view of the Magical Girl genre and Xayah and Rakan's characters lol) I was following you till you reached the point about defining magical girls as a genre. I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT... We've got [magical girl warfare assassination and murder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica), [magical girl mass genocide apocalypse featuring a lolicon cop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Apocalypse), [magical girl series filled with murder, one of which being bullied into suicide and her brother physically assaults her out of his sick fetish while another is a habitual cutter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Site), [magical girls forced into a deathmatch including an alcoholic housewife who's angst within her failing life caused her to be a sadistic hitman hired by gangsters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Raising_Project), one of my personal favorites being of [a magical girl who's a chronic smoker and delinquent ](https://myanimelist.net/manga/103815/Machigatta_Ko_wo_Mahou_Shoujo_ni_Shiteshimatta), and lastly a [magical girl who ends up as a villain who's fetish is torturing magical girls.](https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=153690) Rakan is by far one of the most tame Magical Girl characters out there. He has an open chest? He's self-centered? In a genre full of murder, sex, and everything else rated R, how doesn't Rakan fit? It fits because Rakan chooses to be there, and for almost every incarnation of his character (Classic and Star Guardian) he's always the one protecting Xayah and covering for her blatant flaws. This isn't a generic obsession, it's "I love her and she fucks up but I still love her so I'll be there for her and I won't say 'I told you so' but Xayah remember that time I said--" you get the idea. Rakan isn't just some lovesick puppy, he's a flamboyant knight. And another difference is the fact that Xayah is constantly, ***CONSTANTLY***, mentioning how much she either appreciates him, is always causing trouble for him, or can't be strong enough to do what she does without him.
: Its just that people are crying whenever there is a skin for popular champion and no skin for an unpopular one. But it turns out that making a skin for an unpopular champion not just "gives less profit", the profit is literally below zero.
Ahh, that context ties it all together then. Yeah, I usually see complaints whenever Lux or Ahri receive a skin. Well, their skins sell like hotcakes. How many people are gonna buy a Mundo skin?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-15T01:00:20.722+0000) > > It...does have a limited range? Did you think that it extended across lane? It's barely twice the range of her Q, which itself isn't far at all. No it does not. If she hit me with her e she can dash to me regardless of how far away I am.
Oh wait you mean the second part of her ***E***. For some reason I thought you were talking about her R. TBH, I can get behind the idea of there being a limiter on that, just like Lee has a limit on his Q. The problem here is, it wouldn't be balanced to structure her E the same as Lee's Q because Lee can actually act out of his Q and the Q itself has executing properties. Akali can't act out of her E and it's damage is fairly weak.
: Damn you basically said you suck yourself at the game and actually think you mastered Azir in 3 games. That's some sort of contradiction.
No, I said that most people think that most people suck at this game, and Azir's basic af to play lol
Mc Raton (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-15T00:59:32.767+0000) > > You're not supposed to be able to run from an Assassin, tho. It's literally all of their kits to be able to stick to targets. Is an assassin having burst, mobility, and target-access really that much of a problem for people? > > I will agree that she was dull and overpowered, but the rework made her much more bearable if the enemy has the mind to actively try to counterplay her. Which, considering the people who criticized her following her rework and following landslide of nerfs...most people didn't. Bearable ? She could free sustain from level 1, she was able to tower dive you without using a braincells and her damage was obnoxious for how low energy she was using… if you find Akali more fair after rework, you are a biased fool because NOBODY ELSE think that.
Free sustain at level 1 has 100% always been the backbone of Akali's design, because self--heal has always been part of her kit before it was removed following her rework. Most mid-laners can dive you with little effort nowadays and even back then they could--especially LB, Kat and Fizz. That's not really a valid criticism for a champion. If you think that Akali before her rework is more fair compared to Akali after her rework, you must not have played this game before her rework. Who in their right mind would believe that a champion who could shoot at you from across the map, land one ability and not only completely destroy you but also heal all the damage you did to her off that one engagement, was more fair than what she was turned into?
: Bahahaha the parts you listed were the most cancerous parts of her kit. Btw barely having played the rework i picked her up a couple games and did fine, shes fine.
Is she fine? As an assassin, you have to try reeeeally hard to get your job done. That doesn't sound fine to me.
: That happens when a champion is so insanely broken out her ass that she 100% decides games by herself.
A lot of champions have that type of impact on the game, though. Any champion with large AOE CC for instance.
: Personally I never really cared for the nearf. She is still very very powerful as it is despite the nearf. I just did not care
Is she powerful? All the times I've seen her this week, unless she's getting a significant amount of help or are extremely outclassing whoever she's played against, she seemed pretty weak.
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-15T01:03:46.312+0000) > > "are also broken" > > Talon has a low CD INVISIBILITY and not only has he barely been touched since his rework he's been the least complained about since his kit rework. Evelynn has barely been criticized and has been nerfed at some points and buffed at others. Nobody talks about Shaco because he's nonexistent unless his team makes plays for him. Leblanc has to be completely reverted because people actually wanted her "turn invisible before cloning" passive back. People barely criticize Pyke for his camo but instead his mobility and health regen. I can't even bother to think of any other champs because this is only an issue with Akali for some reason, despite there being widespread counterplay against her Shroud. What? Pyke cannot function at all without invisibility... Talon was heavily nerfed recently (V8.14 Rake Return base damage reduced 70 / 85 / 100 / 115 / 130 from 70 / 95 / 120 / 145 / 170. ) Anyway, invisibility in his case is a very minor part of his kit, I think he could even function without it, if they make his animations faster. Shaco was nerfed to the ground (mainly the AP version, but Ad is also in the greatest spot), he is barely a playable character anymore for the regular league player. Evelynn was complained about since rework for many reason - the most important one is that she can assassinate even tanks, because of her MR shred, which no other assassin does - except maybe Bork Zed, but he at least has to land some kind of ability + autoattack combos to do that unlike Evelynn (anyway, her and Twitch basically have better Rengar ults... ) LB was reverted because the rework was bad - too strong in pro play, then got nerfed and was even worse than old LB (which along Nidalee, Ezrael and probably Teemo are my top "instalose on my team, because they are most of the time useless" list)
> [{quoted}](name=MLDzXnRRR,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UtcQVzJt,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T08:48:10.604+0000) > > What? Pyke cannot function at all without invisibility... Camo* And what I'm saying is, this isn't something that people's biggest issue with Pyke is; it's been his mobility, his health regeneration, and damage--mostly his execute. > Talon was heavily nerfed recently (V8.14 Rake > Return base damage reduced 70 / 85 / 100 / 115 / 130 from 70 / 95 / 120 / 145 / 170. ) Anyway, invisibility in his case is a very minor part of his kit, I think he could even function without it, if they make his animations faster. He ***could*** function without them, because despite the nerfs he can still destroy most champions that come close to him in three button-presses in less than a few seconds. > Shaco was nerfed to the ground (mainly the AP version, but Ad is also in the greatest spot), he is barely a playable character anymore for the regular league player. And it's so, so sad... Last I heard he was getting a rework or something, but that was probably just a rumor. > Evelynn was complained about since rework for many reason - the most important one is that she can assassinate even tanks, because of her MR shred, which no other assassin does - except maybe Bork Zed, but he at least has to land some kind of ability + autoattack combos to do that unlike Evelynn (anyway, her and Twitch basically have better Rengar ults... ) Evelynn received as much criticism as every other newly released/updated champion--criticisms which were met with equal defense. At the end of the day, hardly anybody bans Evelynn and hardly anybody has a problem with her. So much so that she had to be buffed again. Zed is a whole different can of worms, and Twitch's camo is perhaps even more problematic than any other since he can outright reuse it after takedowns at no cooldown and no extra cost (that last part might be false but resources have never been my issue with Twitch), and that's rarely the topic of discussion unless it's about him jungling. On the topic of Rengar, I've seen too many other critiques for him, none of which were his camo. > LB was reverted because the rework was bad - too strong in pro play, then got nerfed and was even worse than old LB (which along Nidalee, Ezrael and probably Teemo are my top "instalose on my team, because they are most of the time useless" list) LB's rework was alongside Akali's and even Talons, extending the timeframe of their burst. I find it weird that she was reverted specifically because the rework did was it was intended to do. Still, everyone wanted LB back to how she was. My point is that the invisibility mechanics of almost every other Assassin in this game has not been the issue of those champions, and you go so far as to prove that point with Evelynn. There are too many other aspects of champs who can stealth, and stealthy is at the lower end of any criticism lists. The fact that Riot could give Akali back her under-tower Shroud and people will still complain about her, despite the fact that she has none of her best tools anymore and barely enough damage to be an assassin, says something about Akali's criticisms as a whole.
Get2 (NA)
: This has always happened to some degree. Just never this egregiously. I think there are a ton of factors, but I think the biggest one of all is that RIOT can't decide what they want to do with this game, so they just toss a bunch of darts at a wall and hope to hit a bullseye the next room over. This season is very much proof of that. Either that, or their dev team has a high turnover and everything they toss out is just as far as they got with it before John left to go work at Subway. Or whatever.
I feel like the issue is that they don't know exactly how they want organize the system. You see how Tribunal--the system where players had overall input over what rules should be enforced--has been gone and the promised alternative hasn't been given yet for years upon years since the whole social justice reform took over the company. I bet that they don't know whether to use an MMR system--where it's not your rank which matches you but your win/loss standard--or the general ranking system itself--where if you're in a tier/rank you're only grouped with those in the tier/rank. Both come with pros and cons and I guess they figure that a mix gains the best results.
: Why does Star Guardian Rakan even exist? If you're going to commit to having a pair of champions whose skins are bound together, you should also commit to not giving either of them skins that DO NOT FIT the other at all.
What do you mean by "Don't fit"? Rakan in general--not just Star Guardian--is a character who's entire involvement with anything forever is because Xayah is there. He's freedom-fighting because of Xayah. He's in League because of Xayah. He's a Star Guardian because of Xayah, and he fell because of Xayah. What do you feel isn't fitting?
: They spent 1000 of some resources for (example) a KDA Ahri and Dunkmaster Ivern Ahri skin is popular and they got 100000 resources in return, that they can use for some other skins as well as thngs that don't return any resources, like champion reworks Ivern skin is not popular, and they got 10 resources in return If they stop making skins for popular champions and start making a lot of skins for unpopular champions, their resources will end Meanwhile in fast food you don't really lose at anything. Yoou only spend resources on items that are being bought right now. If you have an extreme rare shit that costs 1 resource to make and is sold for 2 resources, you will not lose anything and get a profit of 1 resource every time it is sold
I still don't really understand the significance of this specific report (Of course, I'm not currently in business major so I'm probably just hella ignorant). I do see what you're saying, but why does it matter that unpopular champs don't get sales with their skins? There's no rule in place that requires Riot to make skins for unpopular champions. Not only that, but Riot already knows how to advertise any skin they release for champions whether they're popular or not--a buff or a rework. They've always released skins for less-popular champions alongside major changes to a champion, reworks, or overall buffs, and those have reportedly gained traction. I guess what I'm trying to say about all of this is...why should anybody not in corporate care about this report moreso than we already do and know of? It's a common sense issue with a common sense premise that I'm pretty sure that nobody misunderstands.
: Qiyana Should Have To Actually Land Her Abilities To Do Damage.
> [{quoted}](name=CloakAndGrenade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3ckrk0Xc,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T23:53:35.359+0000) > > Not the wall behind me. But that's how her ult works. > Not the area beside me. But that's how hit-boxes and hurt-boxes work, in literally every video game forever. > No, an auto-attack doesn't count. But she has ***empowered*** auto attacks, so that definitely counts. > She's an assassin. > She's supposed to be high skill cap. Most Assassins have low skill ceilings, tho. Having to use your abilities does not equal skill or even challenging gameplay. > If she whiffs her Q, her E, and her ult, and only manages to land an auto after hitting her W, she shouldn't be blowing me up. How does she wiff an E if it's point-and-click? Also, if she hits her E then she ***WILL*** hit her Q because they have a combo interaction. > But she does. > Tank, mage, assassin, support, doesn't matter. > She can miss her ult entirely (or not even aim it at you) and hit a wall to chunk you for half your HP. It's in her kit. Stay away from walls, then. That's called "counter-play". > No other assassin (besides maybe Katarina, headbutt R collect LP) is able to just miss everything and still get a kill. And Zed, and Leblanc, and Rengar, and Evelynn can pretty easily reach a point where she can completely butcher her Q and W, just hit E R and you're dead. I'm fine with people disliking champs but it seems to me that you're doing less criticizing and more complaining about a strong champion.
Get2 (NA)
: I do not understand your matchmaking strategy at all
Just to rub salt into the wound, in three ranked games in a row I played with Bronze, Silver and Gold. Three games in a row, of ranked, included three completely different tiers of rankings. Edit: As a matter of fact, I don't even understand why I mentioned the scenario like that, because in that single game with the Bronze player I was matched with Silver and Gold players too. That alone shows how much the matchmaking system doesn't make any damn sense.
: Ex-Rioter Stellari on the Divide between Unpopular and Popular skin sales
I don't really understand the purpose of the report, or just the fact that it's such an astounding find that she has to make such a big deal out of it. Is it that surprising that a champion that doesn't get play doesn't get sales on their skins? It's like fast food. A menu item that the majority of the world doesn't buy, isn't selling despite having it's new flavor being popular? Is it ***that***big of a deal? Especially when there are almost a hundred and fifty menu items? Or, to be as frank as possible, even if the whole world loves chocolate, having chocolate flavored shit isn't going to make shit sell.
Rioter Comments
Accenix (NA)
: Yeah I can't even play her anymore. I was enjoying her two patches ago seen the ratio nerf and was like, yeah this isn't worth playing anymore.
It sucks being an Akali player.
Accenix (NA)
: Agreed on release she was broken. She has four dashes and if she wants to use them she literally has to wait 3 minutes to do so. it does dogshit for damage and now she can't even stun so she has worse matchups, like karthus, riots going overboard. she was fine, just some people are too dumb to play against her currently so they just hate. sorry to tell you, it's not that hard, I never lose to an akali.
Imagine that people are still whining about Akali as if she doesn't have to extend her burst to god knows how long, when there are champs like Talon who can literally 100-0 someone in 2 seconds.
Nekorus (NA)
: yea we had so much fun playing against you! going invis undertower and bs sustain with gunblade and heal on q. so much fun! oh and dont forget the 4 dashes u have!
She had heal on passive BEFORE her rework, though. You could actually see her but not target her under tower, so it wasn't an issue. And to attack, she had to reveal. Was Akali that big of an issue for people or does this go back to the common complain throughout every tier that most payers are bad?
: Akali wasn't fun for anyone.
Lie she was hella fun after her rework. Then one part got nerfed. Then another part. Then another. And another. And another. Akali now is so far from her intended rework that we might as well say she's not the same champ anymore.
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: The shroud is fundamentally broken concept, this champ will never be fun and healthy to play against (and be allowed to be strong unless RIOT are mad) without a removal of it. Most champs with invisibility and camouflage are also broken, if you haven't noticed (also low cd spammers/resets/manaless champs in general)
"are also broken" Talon has a low CD INVISIBILITY and not only has he barely been touched since his rework he's been the least complained about since his kit rework. Evelynn has barely been criticized and has been nerfed at some points and buffed at others. Nobody talks about Shaco because he's nonexistent unless his team makes plays for him. Leblanc had to be completely reverted because people actually wanted her "turn invisible before cloning" passive back. People barely criticize Pyke for his camo but instead his mobility and health regen. I can't even bother to think of any other champs because this is only an issue with Akali for some reason, despite there being widespread counterplay against her Shroud.
: What needs to happen is that there needs to be a limited range on her e second dash. If riot does that then they can give her back some other stuff.
It...does have a limited range? Did you think that it extended across lane? It's barely twice the range of her Q, which itself isn't far at all.
Mc Raton (NA)
: Akali was spammed in Pro play because how frustrating and unfair she was for her opponent… Oh you want to get her, she use shroud and spam her Q to heal and slow you for free under tower. You try to run? She E and use her ultimate to close to gap and cancel any channelled ability thanks to the micro stun… you finnaly think you are free ? Low Health damage ultimate to finish you off… Akali was never fair since her rework and her current kit will never feel fair. Riot Logic is that nerfing her will solve the issue while her current kit cannot be balanced. She should be reworked entirely again and start from dust because she was dull and overpowered pre rework and she became flashy and overpowered after rework. Rework just made the problem even more apparent and she could use another one.
You're not supposed to be able to run from an Assassin, tho. It's literally all of their kits to be able to stick to targets. Is an assassin having burst, mobility, and target-access really that much of a problem for people? I will agree that she was dull and overpowered, but the rework made her much more bearable if the enemy has the mind to actively try to counterplay her. Which, considering the people who criticized her following her rework and following landslide of nerfs...most people didn't.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: An unfair champion with so many overloaded feature and unnecessary, get cut off and somebody gets upset because these unfair stuff got removed? You're like this player who wants to bend the rules to his own will in order to win. Whether fair and square or not. You don't see her unfair, do you?
Not at all. Then again, I'm not one of the people who always whined about her having sustain (which has always been her thing) or being able to shroud under tower (which I was always able to counter) or her having a microstun (who even complained about that one?). Well, just like old Akali, new Akali is completely unplayable because she's constantly having to be nerfed to appease all the complaining. Woooooo
: Yeah, I don’t believe you know how to properly place your soldiers nor how to shurima shuffle perfectly in 3 games. That is just you being hypocrite. If you don’t know a champion limits then you can’t say you have mastered it
Considering you're using the term "hypocrite" wrong, I'm guessing you probably don't know what you're talking about. Then again, between Iron and Diamond the common complaint is that most players suck ass at this game so I'll just take it with a grain of salt. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: It's not about learning the champion, it's about learning how they're supposed to play into certain matchups and all of their win conditions. Yeah, it's not hard to learn 4 abilities and utilize them, but to know the win condition in every lane and play it well. Then to also know how you're supposed to play in team fights. He is at a disadvantage if he tries to learn multiple champs, but it really isn't that big as long as he goes in with a gameplan each game, because that's really the key to improving.
That's basically saying as long as he knows how certain circumstances matchup, he'll be fine. Which has nothing to do with the champions but their kits.
: Imagine being this selfish...
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=npRuo58N,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-14T13:08:24.518+0000) > > If it helps, most PBE changes aren't actually sent to live lol they're just test adjustments sent to PBE to see whether or not they're healthy. It's mostly the thought process of considering that those champs need buffs, regardless of what they actually are.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeviruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=npRuo58N,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T13:24:29.985+0000) > > It's mostly the thought process of considering those champs need buffs, regardless of what it actually is. Depends on the champs. I haven't seen current PBE changes tho but from what I've seen some champs are being buffed when they don't even need it. Qiyana and Riven for example. I don't play Riven tho so I don't know what state she's in.
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