rujitra (NA)
: It's the rape victim's fault that a man bought her a few drinks, she agreed to go home with him after he agreed to not do anything sexual, and then he drugs and rapes her. Totally her fault. She shouldn't have gone to his house. She knew what she was getting into. **ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOT**. They do not have to accept your misbehavior. And in fact, given that over 80% of players never get a punishment, why should someone *expect* toxicity? Keep in mind that you're on the record now multiple times having condoned victim blaming attitudes. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite you in the future.
you can contrive any scenario you want, people are responsible for making the choices that serve their best interest. i will support getting out of the victim mentality 100%, this is self empowerment 101. if someone ignores their intuition and does something illogical or naive then they may learn things the hard way and my compassion goes out to them but you have to be proactive at some point and look at yourself instead of the other person and learn and make changes or your situation doesnt improve.
rujitra (NA)
: I put it in quotation marks because it *is* detectable but only after patterns emerge over many games and after quite a bit of time spent with human review. You've gone back to victim blaming here again. It's not the victims fault for wanting to be in a public place free from abuse and harassment. Period.
ok show me the stats then or youre full of it! "victim blaming"? victim mentality is a well known issue in the personal development field, google the term if you dont believe me. league has a big problem with this. its about taking control of how you process things and stop seeing things as happening to you and start seeing them as how can i learn and grow from this. you dont grow by shoving things under the rug and silencing people. you also dont discourage trolls when you ban anyone who criticizes them. > It's not the victims fault for wanting to be in a public place free from abuse and harassment. Period. its their fault when they step into a competitive multiplayer game. frustration comes with the territory, youre not going to change that. they know what theyre getting into. and if they want to be free from chat, give them an option to disable it without having to type mute all at the start of every game.
rujitra (NA)
: There is. Riot used to give infinitely scaling chat restrictions and not account bans. This is the reason it was changed.
id love to see the stats for something undetectable at the end of the day, suppression isnt the solution, whether account banning or chat restriction. i think chat should be an opt in setting, that way the sensitive people can never have to deal with it and the loud people can say what comes up.
rujitra (NA)
: And as you have been told, removing chat from this sort of player just results in much more what you'd call "undetectable soft griefing".
i thought you were mr. never-make-a-single-assumption-there-must-be-definitive-evidence
: I'll only call it strict when everyone who's repsonsible for a toxic situation gets rightfully banned the way it's now one gets banned 3 get away with it not strict enough..
yikes. you think thats the solution to everything, just shove it under the carpet? if i dont have to look at it its not there!! if youre that sensitive to someone being a meanie in a chat you need to work on yourself
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UdHUf8GG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-26T22:55:31.343+0000) > > this game is completely ruining community morale because of its childish policies. needs to stop focusing so much on chat punishments and put more effort into combating trolls. one idea i like is create more incentive to doing well, more ingame rewards and such for winning games. that will naturally help reduce trolling. the split rewards suck nobody cares about them i cant even tell you what they are lmao. Yeah it's totally the fact that toxic players get punished for being toxic players that's making the game unbearable to play for everyone, and not the toxic players being toxic players.
nice point bro. i literally said the problem is reducing actual trolls and you try to spin it otherwise and then make the same point lol
: Gonna Try
Suppressing your emotions wont solve it. If you easily get frustrated, you need to let that out in some way and try to figure out why it annoys you and move past that. This is why i think riots policy of chat banning is so toxic, they just try to suppress which is super unhealthy.
Aladoron (EUW)
: > Would you appreciate it if you were flamed simply for performing poorly? I would.
Prandine (NA)
: Let's flip the question: why are people so soft that they feel the need to flame others the moment things go south? Like zepdrix said when someone is performing poorly they generally know they are and so they don't need someone flaming them for something they already know they messed up on. Would you appreciate it if you were flamed simply for performing poorly? I doubt it, so you shouldn't do it yourself (flame others I mean). Basically don't dish it out if you can't take it.
why do you expect people to not get angry when someone else is ruining the game for them? why do you silence people for voicing justified frustration? you think thats healthy? just bottle everything in as if they solves it. chat should be opt in to begin with. if someone is so sensitive then they can not have chat enabled. if they enable chat and they troll then they deserve to hear how theyre making the other people feel, its good to know the consequences of your actions.
: Trolls, griefers, inter, w.e you want to call them do get punished. The issue is that it is punished at a slower rate as Riot wants to avoid punishing innocent players who had a bad game/wanted to try something new. It doesn't help that members of the community report frivilously when it comes to trolling. Sion support? Reported for trolling. Dodgeball Coach Donger (ad Donger & move reference)? Reported for trolling. 0/3/7 by 10 minutes? Reported for feeding.
riot needs to have more incentive to winning games so people actually want to win and troll less. like these split rewards are garbage, i cant even tell you what they are.
: i got hard flamed by 4 of my teammates,they got out i got a chat restrict
you probably got a punishment simply because of the keyword "kys", even though you were saying how they said that to you. the system probably just flagged it and punished you which is so fucking backwards in this instance.
: The Community will literally end the game. Period.
this game is completely ruining community morale because of its childish policies. needs to stop focusing so much on chat punishments and put more effort into combating trolls. one idea i like is create more incentive to doing well, more ingame rewards and such for winning games. that will naturally help reduce trolling. the split rewards suck nobody cares about them i cant even tell you what they are lmao.
: Overly Strict Suspension/Ban System?
nobody at riot has actually thought deeply about it, like you would literally be better at the job than whoevers doing it currently. i agree with your suggestions. non-gameplay related "toxicity" should never get your account disabled, unless its extreme like threats etc. if someone is inting games, we all agree to punish that, but if someone is just being a meanie in the chat, if youre going to punish that the OBVIOUS thing to do is restrict their chat abilities.
rujitra (NA)
: You are blaming the victims of toxic behavior for being unhappy because it's their fault they're "sensitive" and "triggered". And the numbers are opposite, actually. Over 80% of players never get a single chat restriction. You further are attempting to say it's the players fault for being "triggered", instead of your fault for being toxic. That's you trying to shift blame and not take responsibility for your actions. While you have a right to your opinion, others have a right to point out logical fallacies, inaccuracies, or flat out irresponsibility in your opinions.
What are you talking about? I never said any of that. Youre reaching for straws and putting words in my mouth. Trying to tell me about fallacies, ha! Just to throw it out there, it actually is someones fault if they get upset at something someone else said. People are responsible for their own actions, period. If you angry at something someone says, youre allowing yourself to have that reaction. If you start giving other people power over you and reacting to everything others say, youre handing over your free will. Instead of trying to silence them people should be trying to understand why that upsets them in the first place, once you deal with that it will no longer upset you. I'm working on this myself.
: wow... when "dont be a jerk" is called complicated nope, im wiping my hands of this here, see ya
Vague policy is complicated to enforce. "Being a jerk" is entirely subjective, which means inconsistency in punishment and people not knowing what the actual boundaries are because the boundaries are arbitrary.
: 1. The only childish action being demonstrated here is not of Riot's long existing policy but of your own manner to disrespect everyone who has commented so far! 2. Don't assume I agree with you at all. Period. There's no admission whatsoever. You don't know me. 3. Your replies come off as being ignorant rather than rude. Either way that still doesn't help you. You say you're responsible. **Actually be responsible for your actions!** If Riot Support won't reverse the permaban, live with it, start over, or leave as the permaban basically dictates.
Nope riots elementary school policy of "no negativity" is childish. And yes I could've had a more positive tone in this discussion but fuck that. This is the result of suppressing people, eventually people are going to let out their frustration. I dont have to assume anything. I know I have thought about this deeper than you and I know everyone is capable of being logical so I know that if you step back and think about this honestly you will see it the way I see it. Say I'm ignorant all you want. "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." I'm not refusing to take responsibility by stating my disagreement with this policy. I can have an opinion.
rujitra (NA)
: ***
I like the complete lack of addressing anything I said. I guess you dont disagree with anything. 1. I'm not being a victim by stating my disagreement with this policy. 2. I'm not refusing to take responsibility by stating my disagreement with this policy. I can have an opinion.
: Nice to know that you've turned your desire review your permaban into a drama induced, attention grabbing show where nobody is right except for you. Here's my perspective: **you** got yourself permabanned. Live with it. But wait! You're not gonna do that. You'll just nitpick my comment like everyone elses and learn nothing except that there's one more player who disagrees with you.
I know I'm responsible, I could've just gone silent. Doesn't change the fact that I disagree with this childish policy and I can voice that opinion all I want. And plenty of people agree with me, you're just not going to admit it when I come off as rude sounding.
: soooooo complete BS got it
I know it might be hard to imagine but its not that hard to imagine what other people think, we're not that different.
Lapis (OCE)
: Oh my god, you're still on this shit? Why are you still posting if you're not gonna listen to anyone?
I'm having fun, youre the people who need to learn to listen and be objective. Read through my comments again if you like and if you could set aside your emotions you will see the logic.
: At this point, nobody is able to have a rational discussion with you unless it goes along the lines of "Yeah this permaban is bull shit. Rito is off their rocker with this one." Be upset all you want. It's not going to change a thing.
Nobody is able to have a rational discussion with me because they let their emotions override their ability to be rational. And I am changing something, expanding peoples perspectives when they choose to read my comments.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T11:24:23.581+0000) > > The funny thing is that most people agree with what I'm saying where exactly are you pulling this gross assumption from?
Gëcko (NA)
: Why make a post asking for your logs to be reviewed only to be sour to those who comment
Because nobody is being rational about this and I'm upset? You really asking this question
rujitra (NA)
: In what way is that vague? Don't make others feel bad just because you feel bad. And don't continue arguing/"discussing" with someone just to continue arguing and have the last word. If there's a disagreement, let it go and work around it. Neither of those are vague at all.
It is entirely vague. "What makes others feel bad" is completely subjective. This isnt rocket science, your just thinking with emotion rather than logic. Someone can trash talk me, I can laugh it off and mute them if I feel like it. So should they get banned in that scenario? No, because they didnt make others feel bad? But what if it was towards someone else and it made them feel bad? Oh now it is worthy of a ban? You see the concept of subjectiveness now? Then you extrapolate and begin to see how if anything that can possibly make someone feel bad is punishable, then I have to start appealing to the lowest common denominator because that one little sensitive person, who actually needs to toughen their skin the most, could get triggered and report me. So now youre suppressing thousands of people who may be saying justified things because youre worried about protecting one person who doesnt need protection in the first place. But riot never thought this deeply did they?
Ðïana (NA)
: Based on the things you say about the game.. Why do you care if you're banned? Move along, play a game you enjoy. This one clearly isn't it. Side note - Totally justified ban. Act like a jackwagon, get treated as such.
You have no concept of what justifies a ban because all you care about is protecting your emotions, not what's fair. Someone acting like a jackwagon in your games? There's a mute button. Someone greifing in your games and you cant do anything about it? Ok, now you report them. It's not complicated.
rujitra (NA)
: It's perfectly valid to leave lane early. One recent game, I left bot Lane around 8-8:30 and roamed helping counterjungle and helping other lanes. This was after my ADC refused to communicate and simply say farming under tower and refused to follow up on my pokes/CC. Leaving lane both allowed me to poke and get gold (spellthiefs) as well as get other lanes kills, while my ADC didn't lose anything, and actually leveled up faster because I wasn't permanently leeching exp. My point is that there are valid reasons to leave lane early as a support. You being unhappy with it doesn't make it instantly griefing. If they thought they had a valid reason to do so, even if it's weird or not what you would do, it's not griefing.
I dont care about your uncommon scenario where it made sense. She didnt leave to go counterjungle while I farmed under tower, youre ignoring what I said. She ditched lane, meaning she never came back, because I criticized her. I was stuck 1v2, died more and we quickly lost the tower. It was an immature emotional decision not a strategic one. This is greifing.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=000300000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:10:32.563+0000) > > Did I say that people are never punished for it? > > Because the other person said that "the real offenders" get punished, so I responded by saying I know for a fact, because I've seen it, that some real offenders don't. Here's a reminder to what you actually said: >And two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen. And that really does imply that there is zero chance of you being banned for those things; otherwise, how could you know it for a fact? And from there it's really not that far-fetched to assume you take a "nobody ever gets banned for these things" stance.
I've seen people do it before, why couldn't they do it again? > And from there it's really not that far-fetched to assume you take a "nobody ever gets banned for these things" stance. Oh stop trying to justify your little fallacy, that doesn't work here.
Lapis (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:15:18.592+0000) > > Do you expect me to be kind and bubbly when I'm permabanned for unjust, illogical reasons? Ever think of that one? Hey, you made your bed. Your ban was warranted and everyone sees it but you.
Everyone sees that this punishment system is pathetic, banning the person who calls someone inting an "idiot" and doing nothing to the inter. It's a joke, backwards. The truth is the truth whether or not you will consciously recognize it as such.
zPOOPz (NA)
: I never really understand when adc flame their supports and then act all surprise when said supports refuse to lane with them.
Did I act surprised or did I act frustrated. I get punished for making a passive aggressive comment about their skill and get permabanned meanwhile they were ACTUALLY toxic and trolled me and get away with it. Pathetic punishment system. Suppress everyone, which is the worst thing you can do with emotion because it has to be released at some point, and then let the actual people ruining the game get away free. It's completely backwards.
Lapis (OCE)
: Okay, at first I sympathized with you. But reading through your comments in this thread, it's become clear that you're a pretty unpleasant person, and I can only imagine the shit you said to warrant your earlier punishments
Do you expect me to be kind and bubbly when I'm permabanned for unjust, illogical reasons? Ever think of that one?
: it literally says "ANY FURTHER NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR WILL RESULT IN A PERMANENT BAN" is that really too complicated?
It's extremely vague which makes it unclear, so yes it is complicated. Unless you expect people to literally never type in the chat because a lot of stuff can be interpreted as "negative" in which case you might as well just permaban their chat usage rather than the whole account.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-25T23:27:43.088+0000) > > it's not up for debate. Indeed, it isn't. Any finite amount of example, no matter how huge, can prove something to be universally true. One single counterexample proves it cannot be universally true. And there are lots of examples of people being banned for inting and trolling. Even a couple of subtle cases.
Did I say that people are never punished for it? Because the other person said that "the real offenders" get punished, so I responded by saying I know for a fact, because I've seen it, that some real offenders don't.
rujitra (NA)
: It's not vague. The Summoners Code is crystal clear as to aceptable behavior.
You're joking right? "We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do." "If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight."
: > [{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-25T23:42:23.058+0000) > > Lol thanks. Yes league drags me down. I've been playing it less and less. Ive been playingthe shit out of sc2 lately, they got a co-op mode now where you can level up commanders and get upgrades and do missions with another player. And if you like ARPGs Grim Dawn is pretty good. Reminds me of league when im kiting with my ranged demolitionist.
I don't think those are for me but thanks for the recommendations I appreciate your kindness and non-judgement!
: I hope you find something to do with your time that you actually enjoy. Good luck.
Lol thanks. Yes league drags me down. I've been playing it less and less.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >One that's completely vague and subjective and I may as well not be allowed to type in the chat anymore You're allowed to type in chat so long as you stay constructive and neutral or positive, not when you say things like this: >The Law oƒ One: game is so trash The Law oƒ One: re[port lulu afk The Law oƒ One: standing behind tower typing for 2 minutes The Law oƒ One: trash game tbh The Law oƒ One: name a single skillful thing youve done this whole game lmaooo The Law oƒ One: ff >The Law oƒ One: report lulu ditching lane and doing scuttle top lane?? actual greifing The Law oƒ One: and now we lose bot tower The Law oƒ One: shes trolling You're constantly going back and forth with Lulu which is detracting from your focus on the match, annoying your teammates, and you're also asking for reports which is against the rules. What is considered rulebreaking behavior should have been evident from your _3_ other punishments and based off the information from various sources like the Boards, Twitter, Reddit, or Riot's very own support website which has many of informative articles, guidelines, and FAQs. Like this one, the "[**Reporting a Player FAQ**](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player)" which specifically forbids report calling: **"Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well."** >And two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen. Inters, griefers, and AFKers are punished. Just because it doesn't happen at the rate you'd like or to everyone you claim is a troll doesn't mean the system lets the real offenders get by without punishment. >Thanks for letting me know about submitting a ticket though I'll do that. No problem!
The Lulu was literally afk when I typed that, I was letting my team know, I guess I could've left out saying to report her but that seems needlessly restrictive, very inhuman. She's afk, I'm telling everyone else to report her for that, not complicated. People tell people to report others all the time with no punishment, another inconsistency and silly rule. Any comment about her ditching lane leaving me 1v2? THAT is toxic. Period. Actual griefing. Ruining the game for me and everyone else. NOT saying "name a single skillful thing you've done." Like oh wow, what a horrible thing to say. Give me a break. If she doesn't want to hear that she can click a little button to mute me. What am I supposed to do when she ditches lane leaving me 1v2? I can't click a button to solve that. Riot needs to get their priorities straight. About the rest of the comments, the notion that that's enough to get permanently banned is, if we're being honest here, ridiculous, everyone knows it. > Inters, griefers, and AFKers are punished. Just because it doesn't happen at the rate you'd like or to everyone you claim is a troll doesn't mean the system lets the real offenders get by without punishment. Lol you're funny! xD I have experiential evidence that many people get away with inting and trolling, it's not up for debate. Don't be delusional.
RallerenP (EUW)
: > Riot is vague about what can get you punished They kind of have to be. If you start getting exact, people will just tip-toe around the line. You also will find it really hard to even define what toxicity is to begin with. > is it any bit of negativity or do I have to be toxic to other players The system punishes based on consistence and severity. If you're negative every single game, all the time, then it'll add up and eventually get you punished. The first punishment is light (10 game chat restriction). If you continue being negative, Riot will obviously not be as lenient. The first punishment may take a long time to get, but the second one not so much. You're expected to follow the rules, especially after a warning. The more severe you are in your negativity or toxicity, the quicker you'll get punished. People that are *really* severe, will be hit with 14-day bans from the get-go, no chat restrictions. > As if getting an account to a decent level is quick and easy. That kind of depends on your definitions of quick and easy. League has been made much easier to level up in, especially for smurfs. --- I know it sucks, but you have to follow the rules. You don't just get permabanned for the things you said in your chatlogs. You only get that from being a repeat offender. You've been told at least once to cut it out, probably more than that. At the 14-day ban, it said you were on your last chance. The next punishment would be a permaban, and you didn't heed the warning.
How am I supposed to heed a warning when I don't know exactly what I'm being warned not to do. I saw people being negative in my games all the time. I don't know what the norm is and what gets punished or not. I eventually tried to tone myself down and then I got permabanned.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >I'm surprised this got me permabanned, These logs didn't warrant a permanent ban on their own. You were warned multiple times that this behavior was unacceptable, and you ignored the warning on your 14-day reform card that said "_Any_ continued negativity will result in a permanent suspension." >I'd like to request that this ban is reviewed and I'm considered for being unbanned. Nobody on the Boards can help you with that. If you want it to be reviewed and judged by Riot/Riot support, file a [**support ticket right here. **](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new)
"Any continued negativity will result in a permanent suspension." That's not even true though, one that's completely vague and subjective and I may as well not be allowed to type in the chat anymore (in fact why dont they just permaban chat usage rather than the entire account) and two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen. Thanks for letting me know about submitting a ticket though I'll do that.
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Errastas (NA)
: This. People ask for counterplay, but refuse to play passive/defensive or counter pick if they’re are picking after. Heal/shield support and focus on healing her poke, not trying to go toe to toe with her. If you dodge her snare and she used two seeds with it, you have about 10-20 seconds of her being useless. Have your support counter pick her. Nothing wrong with having to respect her damage in lane, no different than having to position correctly against an assassin.
sitting under your tower is not counterplay, that is called boring
Ιkuya (EUW)
: So still got the same problem and i've already done a clean reinstall with the hextech repair tool and also did other steps from the above post. And it still happens that the error sound comes, the screen freezes and in the task manager it says that league is not responding. Has anyone got a good resolution to fix this 100%?
you can try this. go to this folder: local disk (c:) -> riot games -> league of legends -> game, right click on league of legends.exe, go to properties, click the compatibility tab, and run it in compatibility mode for windows 7. while youre here, if you want to run the game in fullscreen mode then check the box for disable fullscreen optimizations and try that but i just use borderless window mode.

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