Sucction (OCE)
: We weren't even counting his other abilities, but even if we do, they're not dealing 1k damage without a full lethality build. You mentioned "70% true damage point and click nuke". Not sure why you'd change that and bring in his Q and "armor".
> [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jMTvej6I,comment-id=0002000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T03:14:32.201+0000) > > We weren't even counting his other abilities, but even if we do, they're not dealing 1k damage without a full lethality build. > > You mentioned "70% true damage point and click nuke". Not sure why you'd change that and bring in his Q and "armor". I’m accounting for the adc armor to make your argument strong. And no garen is pressing r before using q. That’s stupid.
: Have you seen the percents though? 200 armor blocks like 80% or something and 200 mr which is harder to achieve gains like.. 70%. I don't remeber exactly but it isn't as much.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n3a3rlJN,comment-id=00120000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T23:30:38.372+0000) > > Have you seen the percents though? 200 armor blocks like 80% or something and 200 mr which is harder to achieve gains like.. 70%. I don't remeber exactly but it isn't as much. 100 armor blocks 50% then gets progressively worse. So 200 armor blocks like. 70% maybe. But you have to shave 48 armor off because of black cleaver. And remember that 20% of all their damage is more than likely going to be true damage cause conquerer.
Rioter Comments
Sucction (OCE)
: I don't know if you're trolling or just don't know what "2000" means. ADCs have a base health of around 2100 at level 18, which is around 2.5-3 items plus boots generally. If Garen has rank 3 ult, 90% of the time his target is going to be somewhere between 15 and 18.
> [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jMTvej6I,comment-id=00020000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T11:03:05.428+0000) > > I don't know if you're trolling or just don't know what "2000" means. > > ADCs have a base health of around 2100 at level 18, which is around 2.5-3 items plus boots generally. > > If Garen has rank 3 ult, 90% of the time his target is going to be somewhere between 15 and 18. Now account for the 1000 damage that comes from his triforce proc q. Reduce r by like maybe 40% for armor (that no adc can afford) 600 damage. You’re nice 2000 hp Adc is down to 1400 and is missing a large chunk of health.
: Not really .. besides MR gives less stats for higher cost. I can have 3 armor items and not take any damage from ad champs and have 3 mr items another game and still die in 3 seconds to mages. Because mages have more penetration easier. It's why the gold on oblivion orb was increased a little.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n3a3rlJN,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T08:12:55.583+0000) > > Not really .. besides MR gives less stats for higher cost. I can have 3 armor items and not take any damage from ad champs and have 3 mr items another game and still die in 3 seconds to mages. Because mages have more penetration easier. It's why the gold on oblivion orb was increased a little. Like I said. Armor is reduced by atleast 24% in every game. Every game has a black cleaver in it. And if it doesn’t then it has multiple last whisper items.
: 1. Because armor is one of the most cheap things in the game 2. Because if it was expensive, then assassins wouldn't be viable over other classes 3. Mages have cheap items too. Void staff gives more stats than a last whisper item and is cheaper. 4. It doesn't even penetrate very much. A dirk only pens about 8 armor. Vs like a mages 18 from boots alone. 5. The stats given actually aren't all that high. 6. Maybe some other stuff, idk I'm not going on longer.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n3a3rlJN,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-02-15T07:54:38.773+0000) > > 1. Because armor is one of the most cheap things in the game > 2. Because if it was expensive, then assassins wouldn't be viable over other classes > 3. Mages have cheap items too. Void staff gives more stats than a last whisper item and is cheaper. > 4. It doesn't even penetrate very much. A dirk only pens about 8 armor. Vs like a mages 18 from boots alone. > 5. The stats given actually aren't all that high. > 6. Maybe some other stuff, idk I'm not going on longer. I will say armor is only cheap because it’s worthless and reduced by 24% by default in 90+% of games.
Sucction (OCE)
: I mean I'm not really sure how I can argue with someone who isn't able to calculate quarters. 425 is less than a quarter of 2000. At 70% health, that means you're on 1400, and missing 600. 40% of 600 is 240. So it's 425 + 240 then? So now you're even further off? Or are we in some world where 425 + 240 = 70% of 2000?
> [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jMTvej6I,comment-id=000200000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-15T05:54:16.910+0000) > > I mean I'm not really sure how I can argue with someone who isn't able to calculate quarters. > > 425 is less than a quarter of 2000. At 70% health, that means you're on 1400, and missing 600. 40% of 600 is 240. So it's 425 + 240 then? So now you're even further off? Or are we in some world where 425 + 240 = 70% of 2000? Except no Adc is getting 2k hp before 6 items! Da fuq? When did adc becomes a pseudo tank?
Sucction (OCE)
: 425 base is less than 1/4 of your health. If you're at 70% health it'll do 425 + 250 lol
> [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jMTvej6I,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T02:13:51.152+0000) > > 425 base is less than 1/4 of your health. If you're at 70% health it'll do 425 + 250 lol Your math is off sir. And I said 1/3.
: I still love the 0 fucks about full tank champions that give dmg
Tanks. You mean that role that is actually dog shit right now? I forgot the existed seeing as how bruisers are literally just better tanks with more damage.
: we nerf conqueror but not tanks?
Tanks are dog shit tier dude. Bruisers do everything tanks do but better. :/
Aarron (NA)
: They also have the cheapest items in the game Funny how you leave that part out
> [{quoted}](name=Aarron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfXtVnQl,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T19:38:13.246+0000) > > They also have the cheapest items in the game > Funny how you leave that part out Funny how you leave out that they build these cheap items because that’s all they have the gold to build. Can’t drop 4K gold on a triforce as suppoet.
: I'd kill to have ruby sight stone back.
> [{quoted}](name=COLDSNOWKILLER,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfXtVnQl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-14T18:52:06.559+0000) > > I'd kill to have ruby sight stone back. Agreed. I still don’t know why they took it out. Other than wanting their duskblade of braindead to be op af.
: the conqueror changes are just stupid
Found the salty bruiser player who is no longer going to auto win lanes against tanks.
: Support items are not gutted lmao
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfXtVnQl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-14T17:38:29.253+0000) > > Support items are not gutted lmao Any reduction in gold income to a role that already has low gold income is a way bigger hit than it is to any other role. This is going to be about a 10-15% good loss for supports. Who already lack in gold.
Rioter Comments
Sucction (OCE)
: I do hate his ult as well, but you have to admit it's not quite 70%.
> [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jMTvej6I,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-14T09:14:00.557+0000) > > I do hate his ult as well, but you have to admit it's not quite 70%. If you’re an adc it is. XD 425 base is almost 1/3 of your health. Then it does 40% missing hp or some shit.
: “Melee users get a 200% MS increase with boots of speed and all upgrades”
> [{quoted}](name=SpaghettiVase,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iUs5UqW9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-13T22:00:42.546+0000) > > “Melee users get a 200% MS increase with boots of speed and all upgrades” No one wants to see a 1600 ms Darius. Except the people playing Darius. Lol
FéliXXX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vKKFRXrJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-12T22:11:57.092+0000) > > Gonna have to gut that spin damage so he actually has to land his abilities to get kills. most of his dmg was already on q so... like early e does less dmg than an auto for a 5s ability that u cant spam else uwill get out of energy
> [{quoted}](name=FéliXXX,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vKKFRXrJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T17:32:38.260+0000) > > most of his dmg was already on q so... like early e does less dmg than an auto for a 5s ability that u cant spam else uwill get out of energy Except people max his e and use this combo to instant kill people R>e>auto>ignite. All with just a duskblade.
: Wtf? Support items? Just wow.
It’s just typical riot fashion. “Something is strong where it isn’t suppose to be, gut it for the role it was meant for”
xAcidik (NA)
: Why Doesn't Riot Buff Vision?
They won’t buff vision because they wanna keep their precious assassins super viable and it’ll help reduce this insta gib Meta they are forcing down our throats.
: 2 mages One of them has 0.50% Pick rate and the other one had 2% pick rate Taking over top lane ? the Only Mage that took over Top lane was Viktor for abusing TANK items , and he got nerfed for it When Bruisers/Top laners took over Bot lane , they had at least 10% pick rate for each {{champion:122}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:8}} Also had high pick rate , and that's the meaning of taking over a lane , not 3% pick rate for all mages in top which even a Single top laner has much higher pick rate in mid lane that all mages Combined in top lane , lol
> [{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:47:35.346+0000) > > 2 mages > One of them has 0.50% Pick rate and the other one had 2% pick rate > Taking over top lane ? > the Only Mage that took over Top lane was Viktor for abusing TANK items , and he got nerfed for it > > When Bruisers/Top laners took over Bot lane , they had at least 10% pick rate for each > {{champion:122}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:82}} > {{champion:50}} {{champion:8}} Also had high pick rate , and that's the meaning of taking over a lane , not 3% pick rate for all mages in top which even a Single top laner has much higher pick rate in mid lane that all mages Combined in top lane , lol Read the whole post. Not just the title.
Baker I (NA)
: Mages are also taking over support
> [{quoted}](name=Baker I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-13T03:35:26.594+0000) > > Mages are also taking over support Read the whole post not just the title
: New conqueror needs to be melee only
Not everything in this game needs to be melee only. :/ what’s next? Only melee gets boots because boots are too good on everyone?
: What is this Heimer turret doing?
Gotta keep their cash cow yasuo on top. Lol
: Is Ezreal easy?
Ezreal has one of the highest skill ceilings. He’s very easy to learn, but very very hard to master.
: From one support to another; how do y'all keep your cool?
Tbh it’s a matter of accepting 99/100 my teammates are a bunch of corndogs who somehow achieved sentience. Nice name btw
: Just remove Klepto. It has NEVER done good for the game since its inception.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T23:17:09.695+0000) > > And bruisers and tanks (a class, not a role) are still not below and 80% pick rate for the top lane role. Your attempt at throwing his words back at him is funny. Tank is a role, bruiser is a class... And marksman is a class of champions who dominates bot lane in the "AD carry" role. The top lane is generally dominated by bruisers like Irelia, Urgot, Camille, Darius, Jax, etc because a tank simply cannot meet their damage output with survivability unless they have shields and additional scaling. The entire reason why sion functions as a tank is entirely due to his W. If you replaced his W with cannibalism, sion would no longer be able to function as a tank. With assassins going wayward and actual mages are coming back, bruisers can successfully migrate mid lane because most mages are both immobile and need items to scale where bruisers do not. If mages are moving top, which i doubt highly, its because theyre like vikky and function entirely as counterpicks to the meta remnants. Top is, and has been since S4, "the failed mid laner" graveyard.
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T23:31:04.317+0000) > > Your attempt at throwing his words back at him is funny. Tank is a role, bruiser is a class... And marksman is a class of champions who dominates bot lane in the "AD carry" role. > > The top lane is generally dominated by bruisers like Irelia, Urgot, Camille, Darius, Jax, etc because a tank simply cannot meet their damage output with survivability unless they have shields and additional scaling. > The entire reason why sion functions as a tank is entirely due to his W. If you replaced his W with cannibalism, sion would no longer be able to function as a tank. > With assassins going wayward and actual mages are coming back, bruisers can successfully migrate mid lane because most mages are both immobile and need items to scale where bruisers do not. > If mages are moving top, which i doubt highly, its because theyre like vikky and function entirely as counterpicks to the meta remnants. > > Top is, and has been since S4, "the failed mid laner" graveyard. You all say different shit you know that? Every top laner ever describes bruiser as something different.
Saezio (EUNE)
: ok, you want an opinion. Marksmen (a class, not a role) were never bellow 80% pickrate for the bot role.
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T22:28:21.077+0000) > > ok, you want an opinion. > Marksmen (a class, not a role) were never bellow 80% pickrate for the bot role. And bruisers and tanks (a class, not a role) are still not below and 80% pick rate for the top lane role.
Moody P (NA)
: >Darius in bot lane Huh? This didn't happen.
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T22:25:53.570+0000) > > Huh? This didn't happen. Except it did happen.
Saezio (EUNE)
: You see, the more I scroll, the more you reduce the "time bot lane was taken over" First it was these past few months, then it was 2 months now it is a solid month. What will happen if I keep scrolling?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T22:14:07.931+0000) > > You see, the more I scroll, the more you reduce the "time bot lane was taken over" > > First it was these past few months, > then it was 2 months > now it is a solid month. > > What will happen if I keep scrolling? Past few months for mages. 2 months for mages and bruisers Solid month for just bruisers. Jesus Christ you people just dig anything you can instead of offering valid points.
FéliXXX (EUW)
: ZED changes
Gonna have to gut that spin damage so he actually has to land his abilities to get kills.
: WTF Riot: Urgot nerfs
Urgot needed nerfs. He auto wins too many lanes. Also yes. It’s bullshit yasuo isn’t getting the nerf bat. But rito can’t lose that many 12 year old yasuo one tricks.
: its 2019 bruh plus tanks are so 2018
> [{quoted}](name=MasterLico,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-12T21:56:49.516+0000) > > its 2019 bruh plus tanks are so 2018 Read the post. Not just the title. Also tanks died in 2016. Right after the cinderhulk gutting.
Alzon (NA)
: It is completely relevant, and bruisers bot had something like a 6% combined play rate. Mages bot had something like 10% combined play rate.
> [{quoted}](name=Alzon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T21:41:49.907+0000) > > It is completely relevant, and bruisers bot had something like a 6% combined play rate. Mages bot had something like 10% combined play rate. As you ignored the point of the post I’m going to ignore your response entirely.
Moody P (NA)
: no they didn't
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T21:42:57.152+0000) > > no they didn't Irelia and Darius were the only two s tier champions in the “bot lane” role for a solid month. The fuq you mean no they didn’t. -.-
Moody P (NA)
: When is Garen getting reworked?
Sure. So long as the 70% hp true damage point and click execute gets removed.
: Honest question for Junglers.
Considering farming jungle is dog shit now. Nope. Cause zero carry potential.
: If I don't see Urgot nerfs, ACTUAL URGOT NERFS, for patch 9.4, I'm going to lose my collective shit
The only nerf I would put on urgot is slowing the projectile speed on his fucking ult. 3000 range ult, with a 0.5 second travel time? That’s not reactable in the slightest. Idk about you but that’s not something that’s dodgeabke without instant mobility, or flash.
Saezio (EUNE)
: I'll go to your match history and look for a bruiser botlaner in the past 2 months. Will I find any?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wBEWdTh4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:52:28.832+0000) > > I'll go to your match history and look for a bruiser botlaner in the past 2 months. Will I find any? Not relevant to the post. And bruisers took over botlane for like 2 months after the crit item gutting. Lul. But that was just adc crying.
Rioter Comments
: Honestly your comment is just venting anger I'm glad you can get it out constructively here.
> [{quoted}](name=TU Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZPssdbPA,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:05:29.482+0000) > > Honestly your comment is just venting anger I'm glad you can get it out constructively here. Not really. People are just screeching this because adc is actually a role again and isn’t just 3rd midlane.
: Ashe (depending on site), MF, and Varus are less played than she is. What happened to those 3 as well?
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pw2Evdg8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:36:01.076+0000) > > Ashe (depending on site), MF, and Varus are less played than she is. What happened to those 3 as well? Varus is because he is the actual weakest Adc in the game now. Ashe never sees a lot of play unless severely overtuned. And mf. I honestly don’t know.
: i guess junglers have to wait till season 10 to get any good changes?
Like I keep saying. Jungle is dead atm. You’re better off giving the adc and top laners smite and having the “jungler” be a support for toplane. More gold on roles that can carry.
: PSA Ardent Meta Is Back
My god. Just because Adc is playable again doesn’t mean we are in the ardent meta. Jesus Christ you people just wanna cry.
: Nope she isn't fine. Yes I agree damage is overtuned but soraka is a HORRIBLE bandaid fix to this and teamfights against a soraka just feel shitty since you know you'll autolose if they have a brain. Grievous wounds need a buff the healing reduction isn't even noticeable. At least give her heal a sizeable mana cost or soemthing like kassadin R so she isn't an unlimited heal battery
> [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PrLptHZw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T17:38:19.273+0000) > > Nope she isn't fine. > Yes I agree damage is overtuned but soraka is a HORRIBLE bandaid fix to this and teamfights against a soraka just feel shitty since you know you'll autolose if they have a brain. > Grievous wounds need a buff the healing reduction isn't even noticeable. > At least give her heal a sizeable mana cost or soemthing like kassadin R so she isn't an unlimited heal battery Again. Squishy, immobile, no reliable hard cc. Is hard countered by cheap items. Uses her own hp to heal. It’s not hard to deal with a soraka. She doesn’t even fix this damage meta. Everyone dies to a fart so 9/10 she doesn’t have any time to heal them. And grevious wounds is fine. 45% reduced healing litteraly deletes heal based champions like her and red kayn from existence.
: Soraka is cancerous design
Considering everything instant kills this immobile champion with VERY conditional cc, she’s perfectly fine. And just a FYI. There is a 800 gold item, a 1500 gold item and a 1000 gold item that shuts her down entirely. Might be worth investing in them.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > with entirely point and click shit now. He has _two_ point and click abilities, one is just an auto attack enhancer (like Darius's W or Illaoi's W) and the other is his ultimate which doesn't actually do any damage on it's own.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1sJZq0Yr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-12T04:57:21.723+0000) > > He has _two_ point and click abilities, one is just an auto attack enhancer (like Darius's W or Illaoi's W) and the other is his ultimate which doesn't actually do any damage on it's own. Every auto is empowered after using an ability so he has more like 7 point and clicks.
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