: >Akali and rumble have taken over top along with kennen. This is something that never happened. What are you talking about?
> [{quoted}](name=BlackKnightJack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgnA9auH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-25T00:18:19.274+0000) > > This is something that never happened. What are you talking about? It’s just top laners crying about anything that isn’t a bruiser being playable.
: Can we Nerf Mage Items and ADC Items
Maybe after we nerf bruiser items. You know. The literal most broken items on the literal most broken class in the game?
: why isnt armor reworked???
Razelth (NA)
: Riot approved for one role. Since when? They have been the best in their role. Mages were used to try and counter ADCs because of how strong they are early game and midgame compared to ADCs. ADCs have never been garbage lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000200020001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T23:43:35.679+0000) > > Riot approved for one role. Since when? > > They have been the best in their role. Mages were used to try and counter ADCs because of how strong they are early game and midgame compared to ADCs. ADCs have never been garbage lol. Riot approved for one role. Any time an adc is good in any other role they get gutted. So they are only auto approved in one role.
Razelth (NA)
: What? Why? Because ADCs cry the hardest?
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:23:16.334+0000) > > What? Why? Because ADCs cry the hardest? Adc is the only class that is only riot approved for one role. So if they aren’t the best in that one role, the class immediately becomes garbage. Also. That’s a weird way to say bruisers.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:53:35.019+0000) > > Really? > Ezreal has a win rate of 47.2% and a pick rate of 9.40%. > > He is the second worst adc in the game right above Kalista (who is a meme right now) > > The next highest above him is Lucien with a full 1.20% win rate difference. > > Ezreal is a joke of a champion already. Why the fuck do you want to nerf him more? > > Because you ate 3 different straight line Skillshots and took half your health? My last ADC that went Kalista made me want to cry at first bc the state of Kalista, and I already locked Janna. Bitch carried I was so proud <3
> [{quoted}](name=Glamorous Rammus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2019-08-24T21:59:17.421+0000) > > My last ADC that went Kalista made me want to cry at first bc the state of Kalista, and I already locked Janna. Bitch carried I was so proud <3 Noice. Kalista is just so hard to play and the reward isn’t even mediocre.
: Why full AD comps are viable but full AP comps are not?
Because ad gets more %pen, more true damage, more flat pen (lethality) and armor items are trash.
: Meanwhile {{champion:145}} #1 ADC (or at minimum, top 3) SINCE her release and has gone like 10 months without a balance change. {{champion:92}} blatantly broken for like years now and has only gotten one non-compensated nerf, and it was a small cooldown nerf. {{champion:236}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:67}} getting buffs when if anything they should be getting nerfs. {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} most banned champions in the game for years now and only zed has recieved nerfs, which were always either due to indirect buffing or had compensation buffs attached to them. So no actual nerfs. {{champion:8}} high pickrate, banrate and winrate for longer than i can remember and no nerfs. The list goes on.
> [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJVkWyet,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-24T21:49:24.512+0000) > > Meanwhile > > {{champion:145}} #1 ADC (or at minimum, top 3) SINCE her release and has gone like 10 months without a balance change. > > {{champion:92}} blatantly broken for like years now and has only gotten one non-compensated nerf, and it was a small cooldown nerf. > > {{champion:236}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:67}} getting buffs when if anything they should be getting nerfs. > > {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} most banned champions in the game for years now and only zed has recieved nerfs, which were always either due to indirect buffing or had compensation buffs attached to them. So no actual nerfs. > > {{champion:8}} high pickrate, banrate and winrate for longer than i can remember and no nerfs. > > The list goes on. You realize Lucien is the 3rd lowest win rate right now right? (For adc)
: I'm not talking outliers. I'm talking within the normalized delta. https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/ Sort by Delta. Ezreal is the 10th highest skill based champ in the game. This means, although the average win rate is 46.7%, he has a range of ~8.8% from that median in performance, one of the a largest of all champions. In other words, -He's overplayed by people who don't know what they are doing because of the concept of his safeness. -Players who use him correctly are more apt to win than people who just spam Q. His kit isn't complicated like Akali's, yet he has a large variance in performance. People who are bad with him are dragging down the averages now that items have been made weaker/restricted. People who are good are still doing very well with him.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=0000000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T08:18:41.193+0000) > > I'm not talking outliers. I'm talking within the normalized delta. > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/ > > Sort by Delta. > > Ezreal is the 10th highest skill based champ in the game. This means, although the average win rate is 46.7%, he has a range of ~8.8% from that median in performance, one of the a largest of all champions. > > In other words, > -He's overplayed by people who don't know what they are doing because of the concept of his safeness. > -Players who use him correctly are more apt to win than people who just spam Q. > > His kit isn't complicated like Akali's, yet he has a large variance in performance. > > People who are bad with him are dragging down the averages now that items have been made weaker/restricted. > People who are good are still doing very well with him. And where are you getting this info from?
Razelth (NA)
: Are you reading what I'm saying? A MINORITY OF PEOPLE PLAYED NON-ADCS DURING THE CRIT REWORK. THE CRIT REWORK, WHEN ADCS WERE AT THEIR WEAKEST, STILL HAD MOST BOTLANERS PLAYING ADCS IN SOLO QUEUE. ADCS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE STRONGEST BOT LANERS, THE CRIT REWORK ONLY INTRODUCED OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE VIABLE BUT WEAKER. Hopefully capitalizing will help you understand a little bit easier. But hey, if you just want to "reeeeeeee anything but ADCs are bad, right click good," be my guest. You can do it alone though.
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=00020002000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T19:53:41.988+0000) > > Are you reading what I'm saying? > > A MINORITY OF PEOPLE PLAYED NON-ADCS DURING THE CRIT REWORK. THE CRIT REWORK, WHEN ADCS WERE AT THEIR WEAKEST, STILL HAD MOST BOTLANERS PLAYING ADCS IN SOLO QUEUE. ADCS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE STRONGEST BOT LANERS, THE CRIT REWORK ONLY INTRODUCED OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE VIABLE BUT WEAKER. > > Hopefully capitalizing will help you understand a little bit easier. But hey, if you just want to "reeeeeeee anything but ADCs are bad, right click good," be my guest. You can do it alone though. Fine let me capitalize it for you. IF A CLASS IN ONLY RIOT APPROVED FOR ONE FUCKING ROLE, THEN WHEN ANYTNING BECOMES EVEN VIABLE IN THEIR ROLE THEY SHOULD BE GUTTED FOR THE SAME REASON.
: In the right hands he's 63%
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-08-24T05:16:59.324+0000) > > In the right hands he's 63% Okay? And one guy playing entirely ad tf mid has a 78% win rate in Korea challenger? There’s always an outlier.
Saevum (NA)
: Says the adc.
> [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-08-24T05:36:39.132+0000) > > Says the adc. Funny I’m actually a Kayn main but w/e
: WHEN did Vayne and Lucian get gutted. they got Fighter items gutted while they themselves got buffs. Those adcs still do just fine mid and jungle They were nerfed to not auto win in those roles which is why people picked them and people say since they cant auto win anymore why even pick them. Very convient to exclude {{champion:42}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:133}}
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010003,timestamp=2019-08-24T06:23:08.427+0000) > > WHEN did Vayne and Lucian get gutted. they got Fighter items gutted while they themselves got buffs. > Those adcs still do just fine mid and jungle They were nerfed to not auto win in those roles which is why people picked them and people say since they cant auto win anymore why even pick them. > Very convient to exclude {{champion:42}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:133}} Vayne was gutted with rageblade changes. Lucien has his e cooldown increased by a shit ton. Corki isn’t an adc anymore. Graves is a bruiser after his rework Ashe is only played adc the fuq are you talking about? Jhin in only played adc. Mid Jhin was always shit. Kindred. Oooo. Cool. You found one. That was specifically made for the jungle. Quinn is an assassin now. Not and adc. So cool? You got one on a technicality I guess?
: thats because ranged adc automatically beats melee adc (top lane) automatically beats mages because they are gates by cooldowns in the early game (mid) and if you see a champion designed to be an adc function even better in jungle then they are completely broken by nature, since they weren't designed for it. the only reason adc get nerfed once they enter other lanes is because they beat everything there. well that and riot enforcing a meta. i still prefer adc over mage in toplane with the only exception being lucian picking a random melee toplaner into a bot lane matchup is pretty much the same as handicapping yourself, unless you can think of an insane combination that removes drawbacks or doubles down on what that champion is already good at
> [{quoted}](name=Lazy Grandpa,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010002,timestamp=2019-08-24T03:53:15.893+0000) > > thats because ranged adc automatically beats melee adc (top lane) > automatically beats mages because they are gates by cooldowns in the early game (mid) > and if you see a champion designed to be an adc function even better in jungle then they are completely broken by nature, since they weren't designed for it. > > the only reason adc get nerfed once they enter other lanes is because they beat everything there. well that and riot enforcing a meta. i still prefer adc over mage in toplane with the only exception being lucian > > picking a random melee toplaner into a bot lane matchup is pretty much the same as handicapping yourself, unless you can think of an insane combination that removes drawbacks or doubles down on what that champion is already good at That’s not addressing my point. Adc is litteraly only riot approved for one role. Every other class has 3+ options for roles to be in. Adc is the only one who can only be played in one place. So should they not be pissed if the only place they are allowed by riot to be gets taken over by another class?
z2zone (NA)
: About Azir
Azir is in the same situation as Kalista. The champion is so good riot can’t allow him to really be playable.
Razelth (NA)
: Yeah and they have been the best in bot lane for the majority of the game's lifespan. What? Only a minority played non-ADCs during the crit rework. Most of the champs played were still ADCs. Mages were introduced to try and stop the ADCs from scaling during the time, but they were still the best at their role.
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000200020001000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T02:50:03.869+0000) > > Yeah and they have been the best in bot lane for the majority of the game's lifespan. What? > > Only a minority played non-ADCs during the crit rework. Most of the champs played were still ADCs. Mages were introduced to try and stop the ADCs from scaling during the time, but they were still the best at their role. A minority? So you mean 10+ champions in a class that has the fewest number of champions? And non adcs were a joke. They were so bad that karthus became the best Adc in the game.
Razelth (NA)
: Anytime you leave botlane you take over other lanes due to the sheer power of "right click" lol. Riot can't make team dependent champions and have them be able to win solo lanes by themselves. Most of those examples didn't even get nerfed because of the fact they were able to be in another role, they were already strong by themselves. Miss Fortune support was a counterpick to Zyra in competitive play lmao. When was Twitch jungle even nerfed? Its always been a niche pick.
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010001,timestamp=2019-08-24T02:19:56.175+0000) > > Anytime you leave botlane you take over other lanes due to the sheer power of "right click" lol. Riot can't make team dependent champions and have them be able to win solo lanes by themselves. > > Most of those examples didn't even get nerfed because of the fact they were able to be in another role, they were already strong by themselves. Miss Fortune support was a counterpick to Zyra in competitive play lmao. When was Twitch jungle even nerfed? Its always been a niche pick. Yeah. So when adc is only playable in one role they should be the best in that role. Look at any other classes and where they can be played. Mages - mid jungle top support Bruiser - jungle mid top Tank - mid jungle support top Assassin - mid jungle support
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WastedHooker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xL9fEUzu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T01:41:44.866+0000) > > ..Removed by Moderation.. Towers are suppose to be a threat, that’s why they target champions. :/ if they weren’t suppose to be a threat they wouldn’t attack champions at all
Razelth (NA)
: Its funny you say this when ADCs cried so fucking hard because other roles were introduced to bot lane. You guys were so pissed that you weren't the sole win condition anymore. It was hilarious.
> [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-08-24T00:52:01.079+0000) > > Its funny you say this when ADCs cried so fucking hard because other roles were introduced to bot lane. You guys were so pissed that you weren't the sole win condition anymore. It was hilarious. Because adcs are only allowed to be played in bot lane. Any time we leave botlane we get gutted into the dirt. Examples Ezreal mid Ezreal jungle Kog mid Varus mid Vayne top Lucien mid Lucien top Kai’sa jungle Miss fortune support Twitch jungle So yeah. When they are only allowed to be played in one role of course they are gonna be pissed when others become better in that role than they are.
: He's bad. I know. I'm saying his E is dumb and needs to be removed/changed and that the rest of his kit needs a buff. lol.
> [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-24T00:08:10.348+0000) > > He's bad. I know. I'm saying his E is dumb and needs to be removed/changed and that the rest of his kit needs a buff. lol. Love it. You get proven to be wrong, and the instant reaction is to point out rank on an account that doesn’t play ranked.
: IDK if you have eyeballs but I never ONCE said he needed a nerf. Not ONCE. Because he doesn't. His E needs a change because his E is disgustingly strong meanwhile his entire kit is lackluster otherwise. His entire kit revolves around playing super safe and it's a bad design. His E is a built in flash on a ranged champion. It's unfair and it removes a lot of counterplay when it comes to being able to stop him from poking you down, it just lets him play too safe. He's not good though. He doesn't need a nerf. He needs changes to his E to make it less powerful and make the rest of his kit powerful.
> [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:34:24.905+0000) > > IDK if you have eyeballs but I never ONCE said he needed a nerf. Not ONCE. Because he doesn't. His E needs a change because his E is disgustingly strong meanwhile his entire kit is lackluster otherwise. His entire kit revolves around playing super safe and it's a bad design. His E is a built in flash on a ranged champion. It's unfair and it removes a lot of counterplay when it comes to being able to stop him from poking you down, it just lets him play too safe. He's not good though. He doesn't need a nerf. He needs changes to his E to make it less powerful and make the rest of his kit powerful. Title Morgana/ez/Yuumi Please nerf these champions. Did you actually just say you never said to nerf Ezreal when it’s IN THE FIRST FUCKING SENTENXE OF YOUR POST? holy fucking shit dude.
: Qiyana insta-gibbed me twice @ lv3 within a minute, I love this damage creep meta so much man
Don’t you know? 100-0ing people without counterplay is an assassins job. That’s how riot made them. They aren’t broken because riot says they aren’t. No for real. It’s cancerous.
: Yorick isn't a shit design. Old Yorick was. Also, that's why Akali and Aatrox are getting nerfs. Because they're broken. The difference is that THEY DON'T HAVE BUILT IN FLASHES. Yorick doesn't have a dash of any kind, Akali has three dashes and I've already stated my distaste towards that champion, and Aatrox is in a mediocre spot now and he's still getting nerfed. And he also has no dashes. Lux is an immobile mage and if you want an immobile mage that can be played support Morgana is just better. Illaoi isn't god tier right now but she's pretty strong. sitting at a 52% winrate. The thing is that most of those champions you listed scale very, very well. Ezreal doesn't have a good place in League, typically he just gets dueled by the enemy ADC late game and loses because all he is good at is poking. He's not a good duel champion compared to most ADCs and other champions overall. I never said Ezreal is broken because he's not. He's pretty bad right now. I'm just sick of seeing him played because he's garbage late game but his E is a stupid ability and needs to be changed.
> [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:17:55.082+0000) > > Yorick isn't a shit design. Old Yorick was. Also, that's why Akali and Aatrox are getting nerfs. Because they're broken. The difference is that THEY DON'T HAVE BUILT IN FLASHES. Yorick doesn't have a dash of any kind, Akali has three dashes and I've already stated my distaste towards that champion, and Aatrox is in a mediocre spot now and he's still getting nerfed. And he also has no dashes. Lux is an immobile mage and if you want an immobile mage that can be played support Morgana is just better. Illaoi isn't god tier right now but she's pretty strong. sitting at a 52% winrate. The thing is that most of those champions you listed scale very, very well. Ezreal doesn't have a good place in League, typically he just gets dueled by the enemy ADC late game and loses because all he is good at is poking. He's not a good duel champion compared to most ADCs and other champions overall. I never said Ezreal is broken because he's not. He's pretty bad right now. I'm just sick of seeing him played because he's garbage late game but his E is a stupid ability and needs to be changed. Yorrick is a shit design. If the counterplay to something is “don’t interact with them” it’s a shit design. Ezreal needs buffs if anything. Just because you don’t find something fun to play against doesn’t mean it needs to be nerfed.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:53:35.019+0000) > > Really? > Ezreal has a win rate of 47.2% and a pick rate of 9.40%. > > He is the second worst adc in the game right above Kalista (who is a meme right now) > > The next highest above him is Lucien with a full 1.20% win rate difference. > > Ezreal is a joke of a champion already. Why the fuck do you want to nerf him more? > > Because you ate 3 different straight line Skillshots and took half your health? LOL. I don't think Ezreal is good. I think his poke is fucking annoying. He's not broken by any means but he is picked so frequently and having him on your team sucks because he is a useless champion and playing against him is annoying because he spam pokes. He's a really bad designed champion. They just need to fully rework him rather than leave him with an adjustment to his W. He sucks as a champion but his E is extremely annoying. I don't think hes broken. I think the fact that a ranged champion has a built in flash on a 13 second cooldown is stupid. Combined with the fact that his abilities reduce the cooldown, it's just annoying to play against when he literally dashes away from half of your abilities.
> [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUrpBhtw,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:06:38.032+0000) > > LOL. I don't think Ezreal is good. I think his poke is fucking annoying. He's not broken by any means but he is picked so frequently and having him on your team sucks because he is a useless champion and playing against him is annoying because he spam pokes. He's a really bad designed champion. They just need to fully rework him rather than leave him with an adjustment to his W. He sucks as a champion but his E is extremely annoying. I don't think hes broken. I think the fact that a ranged champion has a built in flash on a 13 second cooldown is stupid. Combined with the fact that his abilities reduce the cooldown, it's just annoying to play against when he literally dashes away from half of your abilities. There are lots of shit design champions. Like Yorric. Akali. Lux. Every assassin in the game, Pyke. Aatrox. Illaoi. No one wants to deal with any of them and they are all stronger than Ezreal by miles.
: Morgana/Ez/Yuumi
Really? Ezreal has a win rate of 47.2% and a pick rate of 9.40%. He is the second worst adc in the game right above Kalista (who is a meme right now) The next highest above him is Lucien with a full 1.20% win rate difference. Ezreal is a joke of a champion already. Why the fuck do you want to nerf him more? Because you ate 3 different straight line Skillshots and took half your health?
Cloud273 (NA)
: So why did Jax and Nocturne get buffed again?
Because. Bruiser mains are the majority and no matter how strong, and no matter how hard they are fucking EVERY other class into the ground, they will ALWAYS be crying that they are weak.
Lapis (OCE)
: What's so different between how pro players play, and how challenger players play in soloQ?
: So faker play Ekko
Of course not. He’s an assassin. Assassins don’t get nerfs in s9
: I mean IK theres a mage bais on the boards but
Okay? And if you ever get on them they die without counterplay, why should it then be easy for you to get on them?
Hwke94 (NA)
: Yuumi is unfun to play against.
Atleast she isn’t just some instagib brain dead monstrosity like everything else they’ve put out recently.
usul1202 (NA)
: You stated that Draven will always be harder than yas because yas has dashes so... Yes you did?
> [{quoted}](name=usul1202,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:48:06.764+0000) > > You stated that Draven will always be harder than yas because yas has dashes so... Yes you did? Dashes makes a champion easier to play to an acceptable level. It is laughably easy to not feed in a bad matchup as yasuo. It’s significantly harder to not feed into a bad matchup as draven.
: Akali
Akali is a failure. Just like everything ct touches. Sure she’s fun to play I guess. But ANYTHING that broken out it’s ass is going to be fun to play.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:26:59.763+0000) > > Okay? Damage is not the point. SAFETY is the point. Sure. She isn’t using them to do damage now. Great. Any other champion would be punished with instant death, but because she has all this safety she isn’t. > > “They have to use their abilities to do things!!!!!!” Is not a valid argument. she does dmg, that is her point. if she is using those moves that permit her access to key targets and not getting access to those targets then well done you did the thing correctly. this stays true for all the assassins not just akali. kha, ahri, kata, talon, zed, fizz, kass, nidalee. this is nothing unique to akali, her obscurity was unique but that's gone and now one can actually play against her stealth.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:32:28.316+0000) > > she does dmg, that is her point. > if she is using those moves that permit her access to key targets and not getting access to those targets then well done you did the thing correctly. > this stays true for all the assassins not just akali. > kha, ahri, kata, talon, zed, fizz, kass, nidalee. > this is nothing unique to akali, her obscurity was unique but that's gone and now one can actually play against her stealth. Okay. So Lissandra doesn’t have a stun or a free zhonya’s. Because to have them she has to use them, so she doesn’t have them anymore? That’s exactly what you are saying. Not to mention. Who cares that she isn’t doing damage with it. If she’s trying to escape she doesn’t give a fuck how much damage she is doing.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:13:36.633+0000) > > That’s not the point. The point is her insane safety let’s her choose whatever fight she wants and forgives any mistake she could ever make. > > Oh you got caught out because you mispositioned? That’s okay, use 2/3 of your dashes a ms steroid and a stealth to get out. > > You CANT fuck up hard enough to die and have it not be 150% your fault. so she's not doing dmg and is using her stealth and a dash? well done you executed correctly against akali.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:15:37.512+0000) > > so she's not doing dmg and is using her stealth and a dash? > well done you executed correctly against akali. Okay? Damage is not the point. SAFETY is the point. Sure. She isn’t using them to do damage now. Great. Any other champion would be punished with instant death, but because she has all this safety she isn’t. “They have to use their abilities to do things!!!!!!” Is not a valid argument.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-22T16:12:43.305+0000) > > Akali is difficult to master. Not to play. When you have 4 abilities that can all be used as an escape of some sort, the champion is not hard. so if you just always escape and don't use those abilities to do damage on akali how exactly are you gonna be executing her correctly? cause she's supposed to do dmg you see, she isn't providing much else, and 2 of those dashes are on a long ass cooldown like wtf. this is stupid.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T16:52:12.525+0000) > > so if you just always escape and don't use those abilities to do damage on akali how exactly are you gonna be executing her correctly? cause she's supposed to do dmg you see, she isn't providing much else, and 2 of those dashes are on a long ass cooldown like wtf. > this is stupid. That’s not the point. The point is her insane safety let’s her choose whatever fight she wants and forgives any mistake she could ever make. Oh you got caught out because you mispositioned? That’s okay, use 2/3 of your dashes a ms steroid and a stealth to get out. You CANT fuck up hard enough to die and have it not be 150% your fault.
: i'm sorry, but draven honestly plays himself. the only thing that's hard about him is farming because he doesn't play himself there, but against champions that thing just plays itself you can never drop an axe unless you do it on purpose and all adc positioning is the same. also akali is definitely difficult to play because she has such a variety of approach options that one can just get lost in it. yasuo does this too if he has minions, and they both have to go melee. gangplank on the otherhand doesn't really have to go melee and once you learn how to barrel you know how to barrel, yeah you can present advanced mechanics like teh ghost barrel and shit but yasuo has keyblade and akali is still being learnt by the experts. gp in lane is either casino or farmfest, pending his rune setup, barrels make him too safe, orange means i can't trade. yo {{champion:41}} this thing has a "press to fix anything" button and we're talking about mobility being a nope out option?
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:50:36.010+0000) > > i'm sorry, but draven honestly plays himself. > the only thing that's hard about him is farming because he doesn't play himself there, but against champions that thing just plays itself you can never drop an axe unless you do it on purpose and all adc positioning is the same. > > also akali is definitely difficult to play because she has such a variety of approach options that one can just get lost in it. yasuo does this too if he has minions, and they both have to go melee. > gangplank on the otherhand doesn't really have to go melee and once you learn how to barrel you know how to barrel, yeah you can present advanced mechanics like teh ghost barrel and shit but yasuo has keyblade and akali is still being learnt by the experts. > gp in lane is either casino or farmfest, pending his rune setup, barrels make him too safe, orange means i can't trade. > yo > {{champion:41}} this thing has a "press to fix anything" button and we're talking about mobility being a nope out option? Akali is difficult to master. Not to play. When you have 4 abilities that can all be used as an escape of some sort, the champion is not hard.
: Lol, my comment made you to create entire thread on this topic. Stats speaks differently, but I will believe in your words mr. ILUVTANKMETA. Just listing Draven/Gankplank amongst the hardest champs is stupid and shows that you lack knowledge.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:51:53.525+0000) > > Lol, my comment made you to create entire thread on this topic. > > Stats speaks differently, but I will believe in your words mr. ILUVTANKMETA. > > Just listing Draven/Gankplank amongst the hardest champs is stupid and shows that you lack knowledge. You clearly don’t know how to play either of the champions mr.rangehateboner
usul1202 (NA)
: Gonna call bs on that. From that perspective Annie is a pinnacle of skill, and velkoz is harder to execute well than Lee sin...
> [{quoted}](name=usul1202,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-22T15:33:03.265+0000) > > Gonna call bs on that. From that perspective Annie is a pinnacle of skill, and velkoz is harder to execute well than Lee sin... Did I say lack of mobility makes a champion hard? No. I’ve stated that insane mobility makes a champion easy.
: According to OP, Nasus is even harder than Annie. He doesn't even get access to {{item:3152}}. Riven is now pathetically easy compared to him as well. Good to know it's the difficulty of my champion holding me back instead. :^)
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-22T15:42:28.443+0000) > > According to OP, Nasus is even harder than Annie. He doesn't even get access to {{item:3152}}. > > Riven is now pathetically easy compared to him as well. Good to know it's the difficulty of my champion holding me back instead. :^) Riven is incredibly easy to play to an acceptable level. Animation canceling is not that difficult a mechanic.
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> [{quoted}](name=Overlord Mengsk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3kufJ1E0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T15:11:42.539+0000) > > Sounds like someone hasn't played Draven or Irelia. Or someone that gets stomped by assassins... either case, pathetic. You realize this is a post saying that draven is hard to play right?
Rioter Comments
: ?.... im confused here(if im reading right) its 1 divided by (1- grievous/100) = the times more lifesteal it would take to null it . lets say i have 30% lifesteal with wounds on it but it feels like im healing nothing since you know thats where it counters healing due to that effect. how much lifesteal would it take to outscale that heal reduction.
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ojhdXBG1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T05:37:48.539+0000) > > ?.... im confused here(if im reading right) its 1 divided by (1- grievous/100) = the times more lifesteal it would take to null it . > > lets say i have 30% lifesteal with wounds on it but it feels like im healing nothing since you know thats where it counters healing due to that effect. how much lifesteal would it take to outscale that heal reduction. You don’t. Because it’s a %drain on your healing.
: Picking your champ before your opponent in toplane is just a death sentence for your laning phase
That’s quite literally EVERY role. You want to play {{champion:136}} cool. Better hope they don’t grab {{champion:91}} You want to play {{champion:141}} cool. Better hope they don’t go {{champion:64}} Want to play {{champion:222}} great. Better hope they don’t choose {{champion:119}} I see you want to play {{champion:37}} . Well I hope you know you’re screwed if they even hover {{champion:555}}
: How Do You Deal With Fed Assassins as a Squishy Champ
You really can’t. People are going to say resistances. That’s a lie. Armor and mr do not work anymore. People will say hp. That’s also a lie. You are likely being overkilled by 2-3x your healthbar. People will say vision. *laughs in {{item:3147}} * Honestly. The best you can hope for anymore is that they are stupid to run straight at you and let you cc them.
: Let's talk about Akali
The champion is a failure of design, just like everything CT touches. Yeah. She’s fun. Because she broken out her ass.
: The unintentional power of Yasuo.
A champion might be overloaded if you have to say the word “and” 4 times for each ability. And has two ultimates.
: The thing I despise about assassins is how tanky they are, can't do 2k UNLESS you go squishy
Don’t forget their {{item:3814}} giving them even more health and a spellshield just to rub in how much tankier they are.
: how do i get wins? or is it just a gamble.
It’s coin flip until higher elos. And even then sometimes.
Lapis (OCE)
: This may be an unpopular opinion but I think being able to solocarry is bad for the game
en2que (EUW)
: Why does qiyana have a ult that is more appropiate for a tank than an assassin?
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