: Being able to 1v1 or sit in top lane and ignore your entire team while you just cs doesn't make you "good". 8/4/0 isn't particularly "good" and having a match history full of inconsistently high and low kda's doesn't qualify you as a good player. All this shows is that you lack an important skill called teamwork. This game absolutely rewards players who are able to come together and work well with their team. When the enemy team only has 8 more kills than your team but they have 13 more *assists*, it shows they worked together a lot better than your team did. They also have two sweepers on their team, suggesting that their whole team contributed to vision better than yours did. If you want to have more impact in your games and be rewarded for "being good" then you shouldn't play a role and a champion where you're just going to split push and ignore the rest of the game. Try jungle or support so you can roam to wherever you're needed the most and help your team get fed instead of only worrying about yourself getting kills. ***That*** is how you'll win more. Since you can't win by getting a lot of kills by yourself, learn to prop up your teammates too so all of you get fed. It's a team game. Teamwork wins games.
> [{quoted}](name=Psychicgammarays,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-01-22T02:55:46.336+0000) > > Being able to 1v1 or sit in top lane and ignore your entire team while you just cs doesn't make you "good". > 8/4/0 isn't particularly "good" and having a match history full of inconsistently high and low kda's doesn't qualify you as a good player. > > All this shows is that you lack an important skill called teamwork. This game absolutely rewards players who are able to come together and work well with their team. When the enemy team only has 8 more kills than your team but they have 13 more *assists*, it shows they worked together a lot better than your team did. They also have two sweepers on their team, suggesting that their whole team contributed to vision better than yours did. > > If you want to have more impact in your games and be rewarded for "being good" then you shouldn't play a role and a champion where you're just going to split push and ignore the rest of the game. Try jungle or support so you can roam to wherever you're needed the most and help your team get fed instead of only worrying about yourself getting kills. ***That*** is how you'll win more. > > Since you can't win by getting a lot of kills by yourself, learn to prop up your teammates too so all of you get fed. It's a team game. Teamwork wins games. Teamwork is a group skill; not an individual skill. An individual can only take part in teamwork. You cant teamwork by yourself. Its a group effort. Meaning even times I do help out my team doesn't mean they will also work as a team. This is the difference again about individual skill and luck. I almost always help my bot lane with a tp gank or whatever. I am always trying to help conduct the team to do better but that _doesn't ensure winning_. Let me tell you this as a _fact_. Cooperation, talking nice, helping your team etc, does not improve your winrate. It doesn't. Been there; done that. I've had plenty to games where I pulled my weight and the weight of my team; tried to help them, tried to cooperate, kept cool, kept everything people say and still lose. Why? Beceause in the end I can't _control_ my team. I can't fix their brains and show them whats a bad idea an whats a good idea. I've also had _plenty_ of games where I've gotten upset and just done my own thing and just tried to win the game. I'll bitch at my team for making poor mistakes and whatnot (sure not the best idea) but sill won. It doesn't really matter. Its just up to whos better than who. Thats it.
: You win some you lose some. Fuck mmr. To me, it doesnt matter that much, especially in low elo because in the end, whoever fucks up the most loses. Just play the best you can and win. Nothing more, nothing less.
> [{quoted}](name=SyndracateJoker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-01-22T02:51:50.452+0000) > > You win some you lose some. Fuck mmr. To me, it doesnt matter that much, especially in low elo because in the end, whoever fucks up the most loses. Just play the best you can and win. Nothing more, nothing less. See that feels like chance to me. I don't like the idea that chance makes up for 80% of my potential to climb.
: His next game he went 1/9 XD
> [{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-22T02:33:30.075+0000) > > His next game he went 1/9 XD and the next game? 11/1 funny you didn't mention it. As you can tell from the 1/9 game my entire team was getting ruined. I also never got a gank while having got ganked four times. Maybe xin is just broken idk.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheDevice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-01-22T02:02:32.586+0000) > > I means a lot. If my bot won lane; I'd have been in much better shape to push top lane further... but since they didn't win anything I had no chance at doing anything that game. > > If this was really about a team game > > WHY ARE YOU NOT PAIRED WITH PEOPLE OF EQUAL MMR AS YOU? > > You can't answer that. If this is all about a TEAM and not the individual; why is it there is an imbalance of mmr where the bulk of mmr rests on like 1 or two people in a game? There is a severe imbalance there. > > If my team was truly just as good as I was, the mmr would reflect that; it doesn't. My team is worse than I am. Why is that fair? "my team is worst than i am because i managed to beat one dude 1v1 and that actually means something!" This is a TEAM game i am sorry that you winning lane and doing NOTHING with it didn't won you the game. The better team won. Simple as that
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T02:06:19.722+0000) > > "my team is worst than i am because i managed to beat one dude 1v1 and that actually means something!" This is a TEAM game i am sorry that you winning lane and doing NOTHING with it didn't won you the game. The better team won. Simple as that EXACTLY! jesus man we agree! Their team was better than _my_ team; not better than me. So this game doesn't reflect a players own _skill_. ty
: you won lane... that means what exactly? what is so difficult to understand about this being a team game? why do people think that 1v1ing actually means much when there are still 4 other members on the enemy team that can be doing just as well if not only slightly worst than you currently are
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-22T01:36:51.215+0000) > > you won lane... that means what exactly? what is so difficult to understand about this being a team game? why do people think that 1v1ing actually means much when there are still 4 other members on the enemy team that can be doing just as well if not only slightly worst than you currently are I means a lot. If my bot won lane; I'd have been in much better shape to push top lane further... but since they didn't win anything I had no chance at doing anything that game. If this was really about a team game WHY ARE YOU NOT PAIRED WITH PEOPLE OF EQUAL MMR AS YOU? You can't answer that. If this is all about a TEAM and not the individual; why is it there is an imbalance of mmr where the bulk of mmr rests on like 1 or two people in a game? There is a severe imbalance there. If my team was truly just as good as I was, the mmr would reflect that; it doesn't. My team is worse than I am. Why is that fair? If you say; it all balances out between the teams thats not helping. That still means that one or two people are trying to _carry_ other players. Also, that means if their team is made up of people with less mmr than me individually but more than my team individually then Im still screwed. They'll BEAT my team and I'll have to try to carry them. This is not a fair system. If I was paired with people who have around the same mmr as I do and are up agains people of the same mmr; that would actually prove to be a balanced matchup. But riot doesn't do it that way. There is lop-sided-ness in teams adding more luck to the game.
: Yep yet we all still play it
> [{quoted}](name=Whosa Is Yousa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T01:03:48.511+0000) > > Yep yet we all still play it Its the illusion that we believe our efforts will be reflected in our ability to climb elo. This just isnt true for some of us due to the luck factor. I want to see a pro player carry that game. Its impossible. So I lose due to having absolutely no control over the situation Whenever I see a video series of these top palyers climbing elo, I never see them have a game like this. I have these kinds of games _all the time_. Thats why this game is luck. You'll never find anyone able to disprove my claims. They just wave if off as if its nonsense yet I have proof, they don't. They do it because they like to pretend its all because of their own skills and they are just plainly better than. Its not true. They _also_ have great game luck. If you disagree, show me. Show me proof of a player with multiple games like this in their match history (winning those games) and climing. Show me. If you can't then its luck.
: Why would it reward a single good player when its a team game what the hl
> [{quoted}](name=Whosa Is Yousa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8qnyLzk,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-22T00:58:04.909+0000) > > Why would it reward a single good player when its a team game what the hl exactly. Solo Q is luck
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: AND THIS friends is why Aurelion NEEDS some love when full on MELEE
: PSA: Don't play top
Yeah im actually done playing Sion. Tired of my team just feeding every game and having no way to prevent it. I'm actually retiring Top. The position is meaningless
: Learn how to murder him to death early on.
> [{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T4Hy09eL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-19T05:14:23.201+0000) > > Learn how to murder him to death early on. This. This is all you have to do. Keep pressure on him. Sadly, this usually requires the aid of an active jungler... thats hard to find in low elo. Then you have guys who pretend low-elo people are learning this on an equal level like this comment: > Low elo games need a lot of things, and holding their hands and telling them to not run off and play in the running wood chipper is one of them. >That said some lessons have to be learned the hard way, if not for them then for others. Low elo isn't some collective organism. Some people know how to beat him; the majority do not. This is why Nasus thrives there. Nasus players take advantage of the fact that few people know how to beat him and the chances of there being more than one person who does including the opposing top laner is unlikely. Basically, as a low elo player you can know how to beat a nasus but still lose if your team doesn't.
: ARE WE FUCKING PLAYING THE SAME GAME ???? I fucking destroy ppl and hardcarry my games with Olaf. Wtf ? I dont give a shid about bot lane, I run at them and kill them if they rotate top. Im at my enemys inhibs at 13-15 minutes. Especially with herald (even tho i liked the old one more where u would get that long lasting buff). Bot lane usually wants to hang themselfes when I show up. Olaf is a carry seeeking missile that can not be disabled. I 1v2 bot lane on a regular bases. https://abload.de/img/asdfoiqz4.jpg (new account normal games but who cares i do this in ranked all day).
> [{quoted}](name=zXˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉˉ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfW0fY09,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-01-19T05:00:58.827+0000) > > ARE WE FUCKING PLAYING THE SAME GAME ???? > > I fucking destroy ppl and hardcarry my games with Olaf. Wtf ? > I dont give a shid about bot lane, I run at them and kill them if they rotate top. > > Im at my enemys inhibs at 13-15 minutes. Especially with herald (even tho i liked the old one more where u would get that long lasting buff). > Bot lane usually wants to hang themselfes when I show up. > > Olaf is a carry seeeking missile that can not be disabled. I 1v2 bot lane on a regular bases. > > https://abload.de/img/asdfoiqz4.jpg (new account normal games but who cares i do this in ranked all day). You play Ashe/Trist all day. IDK about those 2 games as olaf. Whats your ranked account?
: I can't agree to this , I just finished my 10 placement matches , won 8 out of 10 doing the same plan Playing mid , going premade with the jungler , the jungler camps top , take herald , summons it in top etc.. it's not useless , Top can carry too
> [{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfW0fY09,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-01-19T04:51:32.051+0000) > > I can't agree to this , I just finished my 10 placement matches , won 8 out of 10 doing the same plan > Playing mid , going premade with the jungler , the jungler camps top , take herald , summons it in top etc.. > it's not useless , Top can carry too This is when the game theory guys pops in and starts talking about variance :D
: Split push low elo tactic? Peoplec in LCS split push all the time, split pushing in order to split the enemy team and force them to either engage 5v4 and lose objective or send people to stop split and risking othed lanes. The game isnt aram you shouldnt grouo mid and bash heads for 20 minutes. I gave you examples of other toplaners with other styles like ornn and malph who are great for teamfighting . Of course you exclude yasuo from this example, or ornn, my guess is you dont play them so it doesnt count. Lastly, funny how you talk about low elo when you are literally bouncing from bronze to silver and back for 4 seasons straight. But i guess you truly know the best.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcSnipeyz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfW0fY09,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-01-19T04:20:26.211+0000) > > Split push low elo tactic? > Peoplec in LCS split push all the time, split pushing in order to split the enemy team and force them to either engage 5v4 and lose objective or send people to stop split and risking othed lanes. > The game isnt aram you shouldnt grouo mid and bash heads for 20 minutes. > I gave you examples of other toplaners with other styles like ornn and malph who are great for teamfighting . > Of course you exclude yasuo from this example, or ornn, my guess is you dont play them so it doesnt count. > > Lastly, funny how you talk about low elo when you are literally bouncing from bronze to silver and back for 4 seasons straight. > > But i guess you truly know the best. You brought up nasus and yorick. These are the prime example of Split push champions. how often do you see them in challenger games? How often do you see them in high elo games? Anyone can split push ffs. Anyone. Doesn't even have to be the top laner. You don't even have to split push top lol. You're not even understand what I'm saying. There is s difference between split pushing out of necessity or off-the-cuff strat depending on the game and picking a _split pusher_ like yorick or trynd and just constantly do that the entire game as your sole means of _climbing elo_. There is a huge difference. But go on and pretend yorick, trynd or even nasus are played in the LCS. Yes I exclude Yasuo in this example because hes overtuned by Riots own admission. They're reworking him arent they? And ornn received a nerf didn't he? Which brought down his winrate. And yeah I'm low elo but have been playing this game for a super long time. I also tend to pick champions that I like rather than whats meta. If I really wanted to climb as bad as everyone else, I'd play adc vayne right now. Instead I play the champ I've always liked, Sion. And I do extremely well on him. I almost always have around a 3.5 kda on him. I win the majority of my matchups top. None of that changes any of the facts or the truth of the current state of bot lane.
: Had a game where we had a gnar who fed enemy yasuo, real hard like 0-7 in 15 minutes. Every other lane won, but didnt stomp our enemy. Enemy yasuo (a toplaner) kept pushing to inhib turret 2v1 our jungler aswell. Late game team fights yasuo carries fights by himself as a toplaner while our gnar is none existant. I think you are the gnar in those situations, sorry buddy. Other examples: ornn slipping banning phase and winning team fights with his ult. Nasus farming top to the point where no one can 2v1 him. Malphite stacking armor and engaging team fights with his team. Yorick split pushing to inhib with ult requiring 3 people's attention. Toplane is the most diverse lane, what you pick matters a lot more than other lanes because you can choose how you wanna play around the game. Split pushing? Hard carry fighter? Utility tanky engager? Yea ofc if your botlane feeds his ass you'll have a tough time, but like the examples i gave it goes both ways.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcSnipeyz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfW0fY09,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-01-19T03:02:52.542+0000) > > Had a game where we had a gnar who fed enemy yasuo, real hard like 0-7 in 15 minutes. > Every other lane won, but didnt stomp our enemy. > Enemy yasuo (a toplaner) kept pushing to inhib turret 2v1 our jungler aswell. > Late game team fights yasuo carries fights by himself as a toplaner while our gnar is none existant. > > I think you are the gnar in those situations, sorry buddy. > > Other examples: > ornn slipping banning phase and winning team fights with his ult. > Nasus farming top to the point where no one can 2v1 him. > Malphite stacking armor and engaging team fights with his team. > Yorick split pushing to inhib with ult requiring 3 people's attention. > > Toplane is the most diverse lane, what you pick matters a lot more than other lanes because you can choose how you wanna play around the game. > Split pushing? Hard carry fighter? Utility tanky engager? > > Yea ofc if your botlane feeds his ass you'll have a tough time, but like the examples i gave it goes both ways. Also, btw. 1. No. I'm never the gnar who gets demolished top. I win my lane 90% of the time. If that meant winning 90% of the time I'd be a god but it doesn't so qq. I'm definately not the Gnar in that situation. 2. If yasuo, an extreme hyper carry who's very presence in any game can tilt multiple people, is one of your _main_ examples I think you're only make a worse case for top lane than ever. Yas isn't even regarded as a traditional top laner, hes just so over-the top that he can kinda do it anyway and get a way with it. 3. Ornn was kinda busted for a while and got nerfed yeah? 4. Split pushing is annoying; not some spectacular tactic. Its a hundred times more successful in low elo. That should tell you the validity of that tactic. 5. I have more nasus examples below. Again, thats just saying: Hey every role is amazing if they can just freely do whatever they want all the time. People in low elo for some reason just don't look at top lane, ever. But I have a suspicion as to why. If they did look top, split pushing and all that garbo wouldn't fly; just like it doesn't in higher elo. These are little more than cheap tricks in my opinion. I don't like the whole Split push reasoning. That's a simple low elo tactic which banks on enemy team having little knowledge in how to stop them. Just like any Nasus player. They just pray the enemy jungler will leave them alone and let them farm. Past two games for example. I obliterated a nasus both times. The first game I was forced to stop contesting his farm since I had pushed him to tier 2 already and his jax jungler started babysitting him. So I backed off. I didn't want to because i _knew_ my jungler wasn't going to contest his farming. And I was right. My jungler never came top to punish that Nasus and he ended up freefarming and knocking down our towers. Second game I just had to not care about my jungler. I knew, _again_, he wasn't going to punish the nasus. So I had to chance it. I was still getting ganked but I didn't care. I just had to out maneuver the gank and come back to lane to punish nasus. Split pushing is the same thing. It relies on people being bad rather than you actually being any good. This is not the same because these scenarios can _easily_ be thwarted just by the team knowing the game. Its actually not that hard to stop but usually requires more than just one person. _However_. I'll extend an olive branch. Maybe because if the state of top, its also become a tad underestimated. People don't even bother to learn the simple strats of beating a split push champion like trynd or yorick. Don't bother to learn how to punish Nasus etc. Again, however, this is partially because Riot has slowly added more importance to other positions. Top lane has always been considered an "island" (just a place to overall ignore and let the two top laners duke it out) but its become even more isolated and uninteresting than before.
: its not top lane that's weak, its you that is weak.
> [{quoted}](name=kevin heals you,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfW0fY09,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-19T00:36:18.580+0000) > > its not top lane that's weak, its you that is weak. I can show you game after game after game after game of me winning top, getting a beast KDA, solid farm etc. The only reason we will win is if our adc is also really good. Period. The proof is in the games. I can lose or win top lane, _it doesn't matter_. I know this because I can _SMASH_ my lane opponent every game and still end up losing to their better ADC. I just obliterated this Jhin last game and we lost. Why? Because they had a better ADC then we did. Its _that_ simple. Our adc had no idea what they were doing.
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: What is your main problem with the game right now? (Poll)
I think ADC's are too important right now making bot lane too important overall. Playing top just feels like an irrelevant role. More than ever.
: Creep Block
This does make a lot of sense actually.
: I wish Mordekaiser doesn't get a VGU
Oh boy... I have to disagree with OP. Morde looks extremely outdated and should receive at least a VU. His movements and actions need an upgrade. His cape is just awful.
: Can we have a new character with a sword and a shield with classical gameplay
Riot is alwasy so focused on making new and out-of the box ideas they kinda zoom right other the thought of introducing some more archetypal/classical characters. Some staples like a knight with as sword a shield, a ninja with a single sword, a more traditional paladin type of support champ (taric and leona nearly hit that mark but still dont capture it completely). I agree lol can use more.
: Just played a match where both teams had multiple Bruisers and no ADC.
: I'm a toplane main. And instead of going into the new season practicing my mains...
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Skorch (NA)
: That A) Doesnt mean that Riot purposefully buffed Vayne because QQ B) Didnt happen this time around for Vayne to get strong. None of her items were buffed.
> [{quoted}](name=Skorch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mdf98KPu,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T00:40:39.591+0000) > > That > A) Doesnt mean that Riot purposefully buffed Vayne because QQ > B) Didnt happen this time around for Vayne to get strong. None of her items were buffed. I was going to point out she was buffed in 7.22 but you just shrugged that off as if its nothing because you say so. I mean shes overbearing rn but recent changes to her have nothing to do with it im sure. That would only be the most logical conclusion. So maybe its a combination of her recent buffs (they're not meaningless buffs. if they were meaningless, why add them?) and the overall state of the game has made her toxic again. Why not rollback those buffs for starters? Which.. is what I've been saying.
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Skorch (NA)
: Lemme look around for a sec... hmmm. 53% winrate #1 ADC. Nerf worthy sure but not hotfix worthy. Thats like 55%+. Let me keep looking though. hmmm.... You say people complain about her until she gets buffed if shes weak so let me try to find this. ... Ah, Here it is: Her last change that wasnt a bugfix was patch 7.22 which was a minor stat buff, but nothing to increase her that much..... like 5 patches later... Hold on, hold on. Oh i see what you are talking about Patch 7.19 A patch that was kind of an even buff/nerf to make her more healthy by making her Q not critically strike. SURELY thats what you are talking about. Its almost like... The meta determines whether or not she is strong, and people hate her so much they will complain about everything the second they see her. Joking aside I do find Vayne infurating, however claiming that she is "ALWAYS 100% BROKEN. RITO WHY NOT STUFF BUFFING CHAMP!1!1!1! IF SHES GARBAGE PEOPLE BITCH UNTIL BUFF, REWORK HER NOW!!!! QQQQQQQQQQ" Is to put gently HORRENDOUSLY misleading and incorrect. I am not opposed to a Vayne nerf just... at the very least make it constructive, and honest.
> [{quoted}](name=Skorch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mdf98KPu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-13T12:45:39.311+0000) > > Lemme look around for a sec... hmmm. > 53% winrate #1 ADC. Nerf worthy sure but not hotfix worthy. Thats like 55%+. Let me keep looking though. > > hmmm.... > > You say people complain about her until she gets buffed if shes weak so let me try to find this. > > ... > > Ah, Here it is: Her last change that wasnt a bugfix was patch 7.22 which was a minor stat buff, but nothing to increase her that much..... like 5 patches later... > Hold on, hold on. > > Oh i see what you are talking about Patch 7.19 A patch that was kind of an even buff/nerf to make her more healthy by making her Q not critically strike. SURELY thats what you are talking about. > > Its almost like... The meta determines whether or not she is strong, and people hate her so much they will complain about everything the second they see her. > > Joking aside I do find Vayne infurating, however claiming that she is "ALWAYS 100% BROKEN. RITO WHY NOT STUFF BUFFING CHAMP!1!1!1! IF SHES GARBAGE PEOPLE BITCH UNTIL BUFF, REWORK HER NOW!!!! QQQQQQQQQQ" > Is to put gently HORRENDOUSLY misleading and incorrect. I am not opposed to a Vayne nerf just... at the very least make it constructive, and honest. Aren't certain item buffs or whatever like an indirect buff to vayne?
: riot can make a lot of money like that honestly, But I feel it will most likely cost a lot since than everyone gonna be doing it until they get good mmr they feel they deserve than that just overriding the system and start making everything not function correctly. I don't really think riot every thought of something like this and if they did. it wouldn't be that easy sadly
> [{quoted}](name=ItsClementine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UF3ph2os,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T10:57:31.448+0000) > > riot can make a lot of money like that honestly, But I feel it will most likely cost a lot since than everyone gonna be doing it until they get good mmr they feel they deserve than that just overriding the system and start making everything not function correctly. I don't really think riot every thought of something like this and if they did. it wouldn't be that easy sadly Why not offer it like once every so often. Like once a year.
: With this Jinx buff coming, Idk what to hell am I gonna ban...
Thats their aim. They know that some champs are just absurdly broken but those champs (like vayne) have huge playerbases. They need to keep those players happy. SO, instead of just making her balanced, they do a power creep. They draw some of the attention away from her and others. Thats my tinfoil hat theory anyways.
Rioter Comments
: It is not the systems fault you are silver 5
> [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u9WmKE83,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T10:43:42.709+0000) > > It is not the systems fault you are silver 5 No of course it isn't. Its luck. And probably that I don't feel like making another account and since Riot's system makes it more difficult for older accounts to climb. Which I actually think is on purpose. Why is there no MMR reset option? Why cant you pay to reset your mmr on the account? Good thread question I think...
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Lesstle (EUNE)
: Which is the most CANCER champion in the game?
{{champion:23}} triggers me. I already know what the player is going to do. They have no issue with losing lane or feeding and are not even punished for it. All they're going to do is farm and split all game. Its the most annoying "strat" period and I have absolutely no desire playing vs him ever at any time. I can go on for days about how much I actually loathe this champion but I wont.
: perhaps you have leavers because you are bad, so they just leave the game because they know they can't win, have you ever thought about that?
> [{quoted}](name=bywords70,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2HuOdF5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-11T02:14:59.962+0000) > > perhaps you have leavers because you are bad, so they just leave the game because they know they can't win, have you ever thought about that? I probably would have If I was bad. But im not. In fact. Every time I've had a leaver, the leaver is the one thats bad. Or just having a bad game.
Rioter Comments
: Why can't you give Wukong the Ekko and Jinx treatment?
Well there was a time I considered myself a super {{champion:266}} fanboy.. 5 years later... and more QQ At least they've said stuff about aatrox. The sad part is, I remember Meddler making a thread about what we'd like to see happen with Aatrox. I was really stoked. That was like three years ago. I mean, sure they kinda messed with him a bit. More band aids than anything. Sigh. And I guess he's getting worked on now? Maybe? Idk. Who knows. What were we talking about?
: > [{quoted}](name=TheDevice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eApxvJEp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-01-09T06:09:26.391+0000) > > On the thing about "reflexes" > > I don't think you need godlike reflexes to play this game. You definitely need some amount of decent reflexes and, for me, that enhances the fun of this game. > > Dota2 is more about who has the bigger stats or who's supposed to win this teamfight because our team comp counters that other team comp and yada yada. > > Skillshots, reflexes and timing makes the game less dull and less predictable. > > I mean tbf there are plenty of games out there (even mobas like Dota2) that cater to slower paces which you may want to check out if you haven't. Its a decent game for sure. The problem is the direction the game has gone it's made it more about having twitch reflexes and less about forward planning and decision making which is one of the major enjoyment factors for me with league. I mean, I'm an absolutely awful ADC player for the reason that it's the most twitch reflex based class, you have to have fast reaction times to excel in the role, but right now even someone whom is noticably slower at this aspect like myself can succeed with certain hyper carries (Vayne, Twitch and Trist) because their damage and safety is so high I could take as long as I want and come off on top because of how busted damage is, not because I'm good at them. Reflexes should always play a role, absolutely, but here's basically what happens nowadays. I'm a fed Olaf and I spot a barely broke even Vayne, I plan to flank her because she's out of position. I get the flank pop ragnarok so she can't condemn me and hit ghost to stick to her Vayne pops her ult, tumbles, crit from shiv and IE, half my health is gone already and she just healed most of my damage in one hit. I have to disengage or I'm dead even though I planned out the flank and caught her out, can't disengage because fleet footwork allows her to keep pace with me even though I have ghost running and throwing axes to slow her down. I die. Vayne should have been absolutely dumpstered in that situation, she got caught out, she got flanked and I'd got the perfect engage that top laners dream of. Doesn't matter though because the damage is currently tuned so high and the lifesteal as a result is so crazy insane that it's like I did absolutely nothing. Same Scenario, Tristana. She just jumps away and keeps running until Ragnarok times out, pops her charge on me, hits me once, Buster shot, shiv crit proc, I'm half health, explosion goes off, now 3/4 health, she's back to 75% health and I have to run away. Same Scenario, Twitch. He just stands completely friggin still and shoots 3 times, I'm about to die, he's nearly full health again, if I run he'll pop spray and pray > expunge and mow me down. This should never happen when a top laner with a level advantage and 3 items flanks a carry and catches them when the carry barely broke even. Edit : additionally, the broken top laners. Let's say again, I'm playing Olaf, I'm against a Nasus so I absolutely dumpster him in lane so he can barely farm without his Jungler being around. Doesn't matter though as he just uses his E to proc Klepto and gets gold and the wave, only Qing when he's safe. He gets aggressive, I kill him, shove the wave and go back to buy Yet despite the CS and kill advantage, Nasus isn't behind. He sold the items he pilfered and got lucky with the gold bags, in fact he came out completely even. Back to lane, I continue to press Nasus, except this time he decides to engage as soon as possible, Sheen procs on his Q which should be low damage but his Shred from E makes my glacial shroud near worthless and he forces me back to my tower.. I can't duel him, can't stop him farming all because RNG decided to give him enough gold to make up for the kill and lost CS. Now I'm forced to defensively farm even though I had, pressed and took the Early advantage.. Kill him again at level 6 because Ragnarok counters wither, but the damage has already been done, Nasus got free farm and Klepto means he got enough items to one shot minions with Q to stack it. I have no choice but to stay in lane with Nasus and watch on as he slowly outscales me because the moment I leave to support my team.. Couple of Qs plus Demolish = dead tower. Same thing with illaoi if she ever lands an E in lane, the lane is hers and there's not much that can be done about it, given she'll just use corrupting pot and biscuits to keep trying and use Q to wave clear safely. Same thing with GP, you can't stop him poking and all it takes is one barrel to push whomever he's facing back to tower.
> [{quoted}](name=Janna Me Fiddle,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eApxvJEp,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-01-09T21:20:16.862+0000) > > The problem is the direction the game has gone it's made it more about having twitch reflexes and less about forward planning and decision making which is one of the major enjoyment factors for me with league. > > I mean, I'm an absolutely awful ADC player for the reason that it's the most twitch reflex based class, you have to have fast reaction times to excel in the role, but right now even someone whom is noticably slower at this aspect like myself can succeed with certain hyper carries (Vayne, Twitch and Trist) because their damage and safety is so high I could take as long as I want and come off on top because of how busted damage is, not because I'm good at them. > > Reflexes should always play a role, absolutely, but here's basically what happens nowadays. > > I'm a fed Olaf and I spot a barely broke even Vayne, I plan to flank her because she's out of position. > > I get the flank pop ragnarok so she can't condemn me and hit ghost to stick to her > > Vayne pops her ult, tumbles, crit from shiv and IE, half my health is gone already and she just healed most of my damage in one hit. > > I have to disengage or I'm dead even though I planned out the flank and caught her out, can't disengage because fleet footwork allows her to keep pace with me even though I have ghost running and throwing axes to slow her down. > > I die. > > > > Vayne should have been absolutely dumpstered in that situation, she got caught out, she got flanked and I'd got the perfect engage that top laners dream of. > > Doesn't matter though because the damage is currently tuned so high and the lifesteal as a result is so crazy insane that it's like I did absolutely nothing. > > > Same Scenario, Tristana. > > She just jumps away and keeps running until Ragnarok times out, pops her charge on me, hits me once, Buster shot, shiv crit proc, I'm half health, explosion goes off, now 3/4 health, she's back to 75% health and I have to run away. > > Same Scenario, Twitch. > > He just stands completely friggin still and shoots 3 times, I'm about to die, he's nearly full health again, if I run he'll pop spray and pray > expunge and mow me down. > > > > This should never happen when a top laner with a level advantage and 3 items flanks a carry and catches them when the carry barely broke even. I am on board with you in terms of damage. RNG damage spikes like that are not the type of randomness I enjoy. I also think Vayne is too strong and too safe right now. Its become the ol' time game where you gotta close early or else auto win for vayne late game. I also don't think that Olaf should just always auto win vs any adc caught out especially an adc who's meant to have some outplay potential like vayne (but again, I agree shes too much rn). The reason is because that makes the game dull. If you should always win those matchups, why even bother getting good? Its like an rps situation and can get dull. Now if you caught varus out by himself, you'd easily stomp him. Trist vayne and lucian have a little more wiggle room with mobility. Twitch is just a nightmare right now. He's also one of those champs who are either overtuned or nonexistent. I think with all these tough to deal with ADC's there's been more emphasis put on bot lane and team play overall. As a top lane main myself, I'm always heading bot for a gank as often as possible to give my carry an advantage or to slow theirs down. Olaf is actually a lot less reliable in terms of those 1v1's. He has no hard cc and can get pretty easily kited despite his ult and axes. You may have better luck with Darius tbh. Olaf is a much better split pusher and jungler/ lane phase ganker. Also good vs other melee carries.
: The best part of all this is when people claim he's "reformed" I decided to click his stream to see if he was and first thing out of his mouth is "Maybe if this Annie turned off her monitor she would play better". To me this isn't really reformed, sure so far he isn't running it down mid like before but so far this is just turning a 180. It's only a matter of time before hes back to his usual self. Edit: And after ever kill he says "fucking bitch" really stellar reforming there.
> [{quoted}](name=Hydroxlic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qu8EBZ7h,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-09T01:04:38.887+0000) > > The best part of all this is when people claim he's "reformed" I decided to click his stream to see if he was and first thing out of his mouth is "Maybe if this Annie turned off her monitor she would play better". To me this isn't really reformed, sure so far he isn't running it down mid like before but so far this is just turning a 180. It's only a matter of time before hes back to his usual self. > > Edit: And after ever kill he says "fucking bitch" really stellar reforming there. He's not verbally abusing people in game. What you're saying is he should be punished for his own personality. Just because he has a little more spunk than other people doesn't mean he should be banned for it. Not every gamer is a wittle angel behind the screen. Pro gamers trash talk their team all the time on streams and make fun of their teams plays. Should they be banned also?
Ghi (NA)
: [POLL] Who thinks champion INVISIBILITY should be removed from the game?
I don't think invis is that bad honestly. If you want to experience some really troll stealth in a pvp game; play GW2
BIFF (NA)
: How do you handle Feeding teammates?
once you hit about 12 back to back games with feeders and leavers until your 13 game is a 4v5 win you may understand how this game can break your spirit. Its rough man. I do try to keep my team together at times but sometimes the best I can do is try not to be too negative. This past game I think the worst I told my team is "I feel like this is wood rn guys whats going on?" I probably shouldn't have said that but I have said much much worse. While they kept feeding I had to check myself and keep quiet. I encouraged them when they did good and said "gj gj" or whatever. When I'm at my best is when throughout their feeding im sorta staying chill and trying to keep them chill also. (ofc I'll also be helping their lanes as I always do). We ended up winning that one partially because enemy team couldn't close before vayne just became vayne and their kha rage quit. So, idk, not sure there is an exact science to it but just try not to make matters worse is the least you should try to be doing; at most, encourage and help.
: This meta is not for me.
On the thing about "reflexes" I don't think you need godlike reflexes to play this game. You definitely need some amount of decent reflexes and, for me, that enhances the fun of this game. Dota2 is more about who has the bigger stats or who's supposed to win this teamfight because our team comp counters that other team comp and yada yada. Skillshots, reflexes and timing makes the game less dull and less predictable. I mean tbf there are plenty of games out there (even mobas like Dota2) that cater to slower paces which you may want to check out if you haven't. Its a decent game for sure.
: Would like a Kayn only Skin,Red Rhaast Kayn is really ugly
: aatrox GU is in between the 2nd new champ and the 3rd VGU this year. Expect him in May/June. swain -> new champ 1 -> Irelia -> new champ 2 -> Aatrox -> 3rd VGU champ
> [{quoted}](name=Killaburn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2xeytT1A,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-01-08T21:00:12.090+0000) > > aatrox GU is in between the 2nd new champ and the 3rd VGU this year. Expect him in May/June. > > > swain -> new champ 1 -> Irelia -> new champ 2 -> Aatrox -> 3rd VGU champ I find that kinda strange. I thought he was on list at teh same time Urgot was on there. IDK. Not that that makes much of a difference anyway I suppose. *SIGH*
: What's Aatrox going to be?
Aatrox had too many extremities in his kit for there to make room for any real balance. Draintank Full Revive passive Aoe + CC + some mobility. Aatrox should be a great duelist with a "turning the tides" teamfight playstyle. Not the best duelist but in the top 10 at least (having some real room to outplay enemies in 1v1's or even 1vX's.) This actually flows well into the latter style of his kit which should be good at fighting multiple enemies who may already be running low on steam. Note: I do not believe or have ever beleived Aatrox should be some kind of pseudo support champ with team buffs. This has been some unfair twisted interpretation of Aatrox' lore and I find it a bit unfair to people who where on board with Aatrox' actual and fleshed out design. He was meant to be suicide diver. For this reason Ive always felt aatrox could use an *Executioner* style kit. Something that allowed him to perform on the scale of Riven, Garen, or even Darius. Now I know there are mixed labels given to these champs. Darius and Garen are juggernauts while Riven is a skirmisher and Aatrox is a dive fighter. As much as Aatrox' kit screams dive fighter, this implies he should be initiating fights. I don't really think Aarox should be an absolutist in that category. Riven can actually perform as a dive fighter at certain stages of the game if she's ahead. Aatrox should be the same. He should really excel at jumping in a fight that is more chaotic (rather than the standard teamfight at mid where both teams gather and are well prepped). Aatrox should excel the same way Riven does in teamfights which is catching fleeing enemies, executing low healths and just completely taking advantage of mistakes and poor positioning. Aatrox was designed to jump onto a clutter of enemies and blow all his cooldowns on them and die. He's a suicide diver. This is cool in essence and I myself have thought of various ways to make this possible but doesn't seem to be an easy thing to make. The reason is because Aatrox has too many glaring weaknesses to balance out the rest of his kit. He is overly susceptible to CC which sticks out like a sore thumb as an easy target. It makes him far less "initiate"-worthy to begin with. If a suicide diver is still his forte, why not make him more explosive? Literally. Something that happens _when_ he dies to enemies around him. It makes him less appealing as a focus-down target if they enemy team has to take some serious consideration of their teams positioning. That's the best suggestion I could give there. If he's to be something other than that, I'd suggest a skirmish executioner kinda like Riven. Somebody who can get in and excel in the mix of and perhaps dysfunction of a fight. Otherwise you're just trying to make a whackem bot whos teamfight initiation is worse than every other dive fighters the likes of Renekton and Malphite. He's less tanky than every dive fighter (making him more susceptible to CC) and overall has a rather dull playstyle designed to deliver the same 1-2 punch every time. If he can't do that then he's pretty much not doing a whole lot other than perhaps pushing top lane. (zZzzZ....) He needs more wiggle room. I say drop the revive passive and start building a more skirmish-intensive champion. Again, the suicide diver is a cool idea. I just don't think it is doing well on aatrox who's meant to be a sword-wielding full-combat-oriented kinda dude. A suicide diver would suit a jungler more or some kinda burst heavy champ (Assassin).
: Spideraxe: Swain teaser will be out any day now
> just some guy who some smarts yep. Honestly though, why can't it be Aatrox' week? Hes been on the champion update page even before Swain I do believe. You guys know Aatrox right? The champion with the lowest player base since his release just under five years ago? Q_Q my fellow Aatrox fans. Q to the mfkin Q. Five years of QQ's.
Bultz (NA)
: I swear Riot has it out for melee champion.
I find it funny that you used Yasuo as the example of a "damage-only" champion while he has area CC and a wall that can protect his entire team from projectiles.
: Shit is bugging me
> Shit is bugging me http://www.eatfunfoods.com/img-96_ct.jpg
: Can we get a stealth based support?
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