Broporo (NA)
: As long as you aren't trolling your games and legit trying new strategies, I don't see why it would be against any rules.
Of course with the autoban system with so many reports, if enough players report you simply becasue they don't understand then bye bye. Honestly the report feature of the game is broken and while it does work on some cases others players trying new things get banned for it. Honestly I'm surprised they can't sue for loss of an account that was unfairly banned.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ucZnWIca,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-23T10:29:44.894+0000) > > While there is no evidence of lulu kog being duo que, I do 100% agree with solo Q being purely Solo. And your not alone, every youtuber I watch has complained about it being unfair when a challenger duo que bot gets matched with diamond and master teir players. > > 1st challenger facing anything but challenger is unfair > > 2nd if they are duo qing even without coms, they are experenced with each other. They know exactly when the other is going in and .2 of a second = a kill which they don't have a problem with. > > > > As for counter arugments in the future, that may land about Que times with challenger being restricted to challenger. League's last reported player base known per month was 100million. > > So sure itll be longer than the que's but 100million players odd are there will be 10 challengers. So they do get to play. > > > On lower ello's the effect is not as bad, though still statically they are about 60-70% to win again vs 50% 50% to win as normal meaning an unfair advantage between 10-20% simply by people being a duo que. u can check op.gg to see who people go duoQ with, infact i know some1 who specificly checks op.gg's if people get the wrong side of him and trolls their friends for it and he never gets banned cause he doesnt make it obvious he just throws. this is partly a reason why usernames should be hidden :D
maybe he's just bad. Players do get to ello's where they are bad after all most anyway. doesn't matter though banned or not if he loses enough, his mmr will drop and you won't see him. Move on and forget.
: Tryndamere, what he actually needs and what LOL needs from him. [Trynd main with 5000 trynd games]
I don't see tryda needing to deal more damage to tanks, as he can fight anyone 1v1, and 2v2. However he's in a weak state duo to higher damage, and the fact he is an old champion. A champion that was only countered by cc which wasn't as abundant as it is today. I say give him a mundo/ garen passive on his Mocking shout. say 20-30% tend passive effect while not on cd. this forces him to risk turning it off to engage in a fight. Thus trading his cc reduction for lowering danage and a slow. AA range should be farther honestly even Orron aa range is 175. And revert the nerf to his ult, back to the 8 seconds instead of 5. As since the change Properly played lissandra with cdr, can run him from her inhib, slowing and ccing him to death, and he can not escape even with full hp and ult. Honestly, the build path used just the normal one, shouldn't allow anyone to chase that far or long with all his mobility. Also though I've only seen it myself once she's actually a hard counter to him. Also he has no know counter to AD Kennen. the tend will help that slightly.
: why dont we have pure soloQ?
While there is no evidence of lulu kog being duo que, I do 100% agree with solo Q being purely Solo. And your not alone, every youtuber I watch has complained about it being unfair when a challenger duo que bot gets matched with diamond and master teir players. 1st challenger facing anything but challenger is unfair 2nd if they are duo qing even without coms, they are experenced with each other. They know exactly when the other is going in and .2 of a second = a kill which they don't have a problem with. As for counter arugments in the future, that may land about Que times with challenger being restricted to challenger. League's last reported player base known per month was 100million. So sure itll be longer than the que's but 100million players odd are there will be 10 challengers. So they do get to play. On lower ello's the effect is not as bad, though still statically they are about 60-70% to win again vs 50% 50% to win as normal meaning an unfair advantage between 10-20% simply by people being a duo que.
: Orrn is slow you see that on his w? 50% of 335 ms So a champion at 167ms chased him and his team down to whack them on the head, with a 175 range...... How else can you explain it?
to beat orrn u use the build i suggested, or if ranged, points above u see that step back aa step back aa step back aa. Its "CALLED" Kiting, I hope the mr assumes i'm doing things i'm not understands I called a champion retreating while attacking the term Kiting, he might assume i was talking about flying a kite. When orn trys to charge side step, and ..guess what step back aa step back aa. when he trys to pillar guess what.... side step aa step back aa step back aa. Notice i changed what u start with on the last, thats bc charge puts him on you. you need range. btw if you say his aa and the w are the same they arnt his aa is 175 w range is RANGE: 550 you and your team lost bc you were to close and played it wrong. Every abiliy orrn has save w can be dodge, and w only will land for .1 sec if your good. He'll only proc it with flashes and on ults after that. In which case that dps is so low you'll heal it faster.
: > [{quoted}](name=ShadeDi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mPFKT6q7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-12-23T09:28:21.453+0000) > > Ornn doing a lot of damage doesn't mean that everyone on the team just sucks. Also it's not really a good idea to go around calling people low skill. I'm terribly sorry, let me rephase so not to offend. Only players who are ..... "SKILL CHALLENGED" could possibly let him deal that damage as he has a > base ms of 335 and the W which the "SKILL CHALLENGED" ACTIVE: Ornn shields himself for 12% of his maximum health for 2.5 seconds and marches, Unstoppable icon unstoppable, in the target direction with 50% reduced movement speed for the next 0.75 seconds. and a range of RANGE 175 Also has a big hitbox thus minion blocked alot Now if i'm useing the incorrect term or something offencive this time, how about you suggest another word for playing with little to 0 skill far below the Orrn who delt the most damage in the game. I'm not calling anyone anything btw, don't put words in my mouth. The games history clearly shows this Orrn to be far more skilled that anyone on the enemy team thus the OP is in fact of lower skill, which means in the context of subject matter we are speaking of in refence to, that being said champion "Orrn" and the PLayer behind him. His team are of low skill. that is not me flameing or insulting, I'm simply a very litteral person with poor spelling. I'm sorry if stateing fact's or telling the truth, offends you. However that's your problems as you are in charge of your own feelings. As I am of my actions. And should I desided to call someone something I will. However thats my choice, in the case of this matter I'm not insulting just using the simplest terms i can spell that state actual fact's. If that seems toxic then I guess your saying the truth, and recorded history aka the game he played is toxic as well. Though neither of those make much since. Next time you speak to me, please get your facts right and quit asuming I'm insulting people when I'm not. There is nothing wrong with being less skilled than another player, why people get offended by people refering to it, when the OP himself made it public knowledge by posting a pic with text. then came saying a champ was OP that wasn't I stepped up to, actually bring up stats. In which case mundo and cho clearly deal more damage than him. and out preform him in every aspect save for his passive item advantage.
Orrn is slow you see that on his w? 50% of 335 ms So a champion at 167ms chased him and his team down to whack them on the head, with a 175 range...... How else can you explain it?
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mPFKT6q7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-23T09:13:26.773+0000) > > He out damaged your team, bc your team and you are low skill. You can dodge everything Orrn does, save his ult. Which usually isnt worth a flash. learn to dodge. > > > By dodge I mean attacks not game. Being yall let a slow low range champion out damage you and your team, I had to make sure that was clear. You can litterly just walk away from him, side step/ run behind his w. He's truely a free kill early and free kill to anyone who builds lord dom, and bork later. Learn item build counters. You will never get better using the cookie cutter builds off champion gg, because you don't understand why they are built when they are built. And correction on the counter build. just noticed him starting thornmail late. {{item:3153}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3111}} {{item:1053}} + what ever gold is left Though that should be plenty esp if you have doron's blade left over for the added healing. Build the second vamp secptor into hydra or deaths dance. Also phanton dancer will actually reduce the damage his thorn mail inflicts on you, same with the treds though if your illioa then a simple deathsdance and lord D should be enough with your cleaver. Ornn doing a lot of damage doesn't mean that everyone on the team just sucks. Also it's not really a good idea to go around calling people low skill.
> [{quoted}](name=ShadeDi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mPFKT6q7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-12-23T09:28:21.453+0000) > > Ornn doing a lot of damage doesn't mean that everyone on the team just sucks. Also it's not really a good idea to go around calling people low skill. I'm terribly sorry, let me rephase so not to offend. Only players who are ..... "SKILL CHALLENGED" could possibly let him deal that damage as he has a > base ms of 335 and the W which the "SKILL CHALLENGED" ACTIVE: Ornn shields himself for 12% of his maximum health for 2.5 seconds and marches, Unstoppable icon unstoppable, in the target direction with 50% reduced movement speed for the next 0.75 seconds. and a range of RANGE 175 Also has a big hitbox thus minion blocked alot Now if i'm useing the incorrect term or something offencive this time, how about you suggest another word for playing with little to 0 skill far below the Orrn who delt the most damage in the game. I'm not calling anyone anything btw, don't put words in my mouth. The games history clearly shows this Orrn to be far more skilled that anyone on the enemy team thus the OP is in fact of lower skill, which means in the context of subject matter we are speaking of in refence to, that being said champion "Orrn" and the PLayer behind him. His team are of low skill. that is not me flameing or insulting, I'm simply a very litteral person with poor spelling. I'm sorry if stateing fact's or telling the truth, offends you. However that's your problems as you are in charge of your own feelings. As I am of my actions. And should I desided to call someone something I will. However thats my choice, in the case of this matter I'm not insulting just using the simplest terms i can spell that state actual fact's. If that seems toxic then I guess your saying the truth, and recorded history aka the game he played is toxic as well. Though neither of those make much since. Next time you speak to me, please get your facts right and quit asuming I'm insulting people when I'm not. There is nothing wrong with being less skilled than another player, why people get offended by people refering to it, when the OP himself made it public knowledge by posting a pic with text. then came saying a champ was OP that wasn't I stepped up to, actually bring up stats. In which case mundo and cho clearly deal more damage than him. and out preform him in every aspect save for his passive item advantage.
: Using target dummies as an example, Ornn is doing 956 damage every 6.3 seconds with the build you showed with W max (assuming level 18). On multiple champs, that's going to look huge, even if his damage is honestly not THAT bad. Granted, this number is skewed as target dummies have 10k HP with flat 100 mr/armor. Using your actual team, the number is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY lower per W.
cant do that to multiple enemy champions, unless they stand there and let him. He can do that to 1. I bet the adc didnt move the support and illaio staid in aa range all on the same side as he needs to apply brittle to proc it. So the ods of him applying it every 6.3 is really far off reality. I'd say in a team fight he might get it off on 2 people 3 if they are dumb. Before getting melted. Trydamere can crit for 2k every what lmfao well with that keystone idk but his basic build gives it to him ever 2.01 seconds hitting 2k damage. add his spin in and adc = dead, mid = usually dead 1 aa 1 spin. tanks 4-5 whacks max, 5 whacks 4.2 seconds at 10k damage. reduced by basic tank armor to 50% is 5k damage still, Healing for % btw lethal tempo.... He'll exceed the cap so Idk but 15k-20k in same time frame reasonable. theory. Jax can do the same thing. Illaio can team wipe with her ult so, no one has ever done the damage numbers but penta is penta. And it doesnt' matter how much they do only if they can do it consistantly which orrn can't. He's to easy to kite and ignore while destroying the other targets. The OP doesn't know how to play around teamfights is all. Thats the only way Orrn racks that damage against lo skill players who don't understand how to play vs him. Every champion has a play style to counter. Do you rush an annie with stun and tibbers up? No? well OP and his team basically did that. ran strait to him, then stood there. to let that damage happen.
Nayzumi (NA)
: There's a difference between doing a flat ammount, and doing 16% of someones life on a 4 second cooldown at max rank.
16% isnt true damage is it? hell even if it was, your arguement is dumb. as it would take around 20 seonds to kill someone. Again learn to actually dodge and build the right items. Also thats max rank so what is that level 10? He's a free kill in anylane early. can't gank as jungle well. if he's support its adc's faught for basically letting him go unchecked and if top the top lanes faught. He gets strong late not early and hes slow. Mundo does what 20-22% hp damage per Q on a 2 second cd. why your complaining. His w grants him what 60% cc reduction. His E buffs his damage buy a fuck ton. and mundo's Ult well how do you like watching someone about to regen 4k hp ever 20 seconds, with around 200 base hp regen when built right. Cho'gath deals what to champions 300 / 475 / 650 (+ 50% AP) (+ 10% bonus health) just off ult 80second cd. TRUE DAMAGE. oh dont forget the 4 second E 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 30% AP) (+ 3% (+ 0.5% per Feast Feast stack) of target's maximum health) SLOW: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50% Lets hope he didnt build a banshee's and at 10 stacks already. If so, thats what 24% hp damage on just his Es % damage before the ap and his 10% hp kicks in to damage more along with a slow and the base.? Do I need to pull some more random tanks out? Or do you understand by now its You and your team, not the orrn. He's not OP, yall just arn't skilled enough to play. I'm not being mean or toxic but if you don't understand how to counter build or think he's OP its simply a fact. As I just showed you 2 champs with more sustiain, hp, damage than he has. and they tank better than him to. Cho bc he's so big they couldnt hit someone else with a skill shot if god blessed their keyboard. And mundo bc he's gonna run straight in your face hitting Q's and AA with his ult on and a serek's gage ready togo. Do you ignore the half of your hp gone in 2 seconds and keep hitting the adc mid or jug, or does your team focus him, since he's in range and your half dead. already. He forces an enemy team to focus him. With proper build a mundo with charge straight into a velcox ult and kill him before it ends. with abotu 70 to 80% hp left. IK bc I've done it with mundo atleast 20 times. I laugh my ass off when I see velcos ult. Its like a free present. Learn to play, learn champions, then once you figure that out then bring the omg op op. stuff out. You wanna know what's OP watch challenger replays. see them stomping alot of games then you know what the op champ is. Why? because they have the mechanics and forsight you don't lets not even speak of experence. You never seen a teemo in the lcs have you? No why? bc teemo's kit is garbage he needs reworked. He's terrible. That's why they never play him. In bronze and silver they get on the forums and Yell Nerf teemo!!!! Omg he's OPOP here look at my screen shot. Now let my say dam and fuck a couple of times.... wait you did that with orrn case closed.
Nayzumi (NA)
: I like how Ornn doesn't build a single offensive item, but somehow outdamages everyone on both teams
He out damaged your team, bc your team and you are low skill. You can dodge everything Orrn does, save his ult. Which usually isnt worth a flash. learn to dodge. By dodge I mean attacks not game. Being yall let a slow low range champion out damage you and your team, I had to make sure that was clear. You can litterly just walk away from him, side step/ run behind his w. He's truely a free kill early and free kill to anyone who builds lord dom, and bork later. Learn item build counters. You will never get better using the cookie cutter builds off champion gg, because you don't understand why they are built when they are built. And correction on the counter build. just noticed him starting thornmail late. {{item:3153}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3111}} {{item:1053}} + what ever gold is left Though that should be plenty esp if you have doron's blade left over for the added healing. Build the second vamp secptor into hydra or deaths dance. Also phanton dancer will actually reduce the damage his thorn mail inflicts on you, same with the treds though if your illioa then a simple deathsdance and lord D should be enough with your cleaver.
Nayzumi (NA)
: A easy and fair way to make Pantheon balanced to play against in lane.
He's already balanced and eailys beat in lane. You simply need to learn how and you'll win every time. Unless your Teemo, then your screwed. Teemo sadly is one of the weakest champs in the game bc of his kit. He only beats silver and bronze players. Gold and higher know exactly how to kill him. Hence why people like Lost Shadows, call for a rework on him. Its not that he's op, or hard to play against Its that he's easy to beat. Pantheon is slightly harder than teemo but only slightly. Bc he's tankyier. Forexample his ult is so slow no one should ever get hit. Honeslty if you wanna balance pantheon better remove the circle for the enemy he's jumping on. Galio does the same thing he does, only better animations buffed effect, and alot faster. So the circle removal is justified. Pantheon's Ult is so bad tbh, I actually find myself using it to clear minion waves if nothing will be going on for a min. Thats sad. Can you imagine a tryda burning his Ult bc he's to lazy to walk to lane? If it would some how get him there and clear a minion wave?
: Just wanted to Apologize
I know its long, but figued the least I could do to show I was sorry was, Come up with 3 idea's with syengry together to decrease the toxic behavior I have shown. Anyway Spent about 3 hours thinking threw it all. It should really work idk if Riot, think about the idea's but I'll check back here when my bans over for their/ other players thoughts. I just want to see a better League again.
Rioter Comments
: Patch 7.24b notes
Please update the game client or what ever its called, to allow us to delete your premade rune pages if we choose. I own 17 pages, I don't need nor want them cluttering up my screen, when I try to choose a perfect load out of my pre planned compared to your generic ones. Not being a dick riot, Just saying its time to let us remove them if we choose to. Just enable that little delete button that's all I'm asking.
: here is the thing skarner has been trash since they reworked him and he became immensly weaker then what he was
Skarner is actually not Trash, Low tier I'll give you. Only slightly under average though. He's still viable against certian comps. Also Skarner can still lane. Ik you prob don't know this but if you use E, then aa them you proc his passive, thus bringing all that damage from the jungle into lane. Granted he's weaker since the rework, since he has to land a q then an AA. He can still lane. Weak but still very laneable. I've actually won everytime I took him top save 1 game but i didn't lose lane i won without ganks and being camped. my mid jug and bot kinda just fed...... so well yah know. We had a 9/2/4 draven to our 0/9/0 vayne and i dont remeber the mid laner or jug, just that they were terrible, and I was the only one able to fight, could actually fight 1v3 just not 4 or 5 and they couldnt 4v2 so.... But skarner is very laneable. Esp with new runes helping with his mana issues. Thing is you start weird, either {{item:1056}} or my personal choice as i poke alot {{item:3092}} base item. I don't remember its name. For gold, mana regen, and the small ap. Which is very important. Skarner scales off ap you see and I run gathering storm. Average game time is 33-35mins acording to ls on youtube. As for skills I start E, for the stun then w q and max W The shield is a high amount of skarners lane sustain and ability for getting away from ganks. as for items, leave the gold item sitting there till almost end game. only selling when you need the spot for your 6th item. It will pay for its self 4 fold atleast. Also because adaptive power mechanic, and gathers storm. It directs it to AP. aka my shield though all abilitys do increase with ap as well. I do not build a single shred of damage going full tank with{{item:3025}} Iceborn gauntlet and {{item:3053}} sterats gage as my damaging sorces. I take {{item:3001}} as it apply hp mana mr cdr and most importantly the 10% ap damage amp. along with {{item:3075}} {{item:3068}} My full build would be {{item:3025}} {{item:3068}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3001}} ({{item:1001}} boots of choice) and {{item:2140}} or {{item:2138}} Generally the pot of wrath though, as at this point in the game its should be over, and the pot of wrath redirects my ap off gathering storm back into ad, to be applyed with my empowered sheen. and better on towers. Plus wrath grants 33% healing of damage done which = more than the shield or rather more over time than my w's shield. I become increditably tanky with said build, and yet able to damage and cc people everytime ult or r is up. With bonus ms, and a slow in my kit. The single draw back is I have to run at them. Though I'm faster than most as I do take Cel in my runes, for the 4% ms bonus. Oh by the way by this time my main rune aftershock's resolve tree should have atleast 10% on overgrowth. As I find i don't need the exstra healing or shield from other runes. I could spec into percion for the attack speed, but honestly people run if they can't burst you. So again its not needed. If you can't hit them as doesn't matter. On the other hand Sheen is burst. and I can stun for 1 second every E. and in lane they gotta get close enough to land E, when they do run in with w, aa they stun aa 1 more time then dip out and drop minion aggro for free trades. Honesly if i'm ahead i'll trade the flame cloak for shiv, but most of your damage is from the stun aftershock sheen combo. abymal just amps thornmail's damage to enemys that attack you and flames damage by 10%
: Patch 7.24b notes
Dear Riot, Are you gonna be doing anything to make the game competitve, or continue the trend of turning into a casual Hero's of the Storm Ripoff? I'm not the only one saying this by the way, many youtubers including one you know very well Lost Shadows, Are really disgusted with what your doing to what used tobe a competitve game.
pleitch (NA)
: troll supports all over.
Your not even 30, and think you know so much, and you think you know when someone is leveling up to sell their account. Guess we got a pychic here boys. Look noob, work on acutally learning the game instead of blaming others. If not don't worry there's a spot saved for you in Bronze 5 ello hell. Granted bronze 5 players should get put on a probation after so many losses in a row, temp banning them from ranked for a set number of bot games. Don't jump on me to hard guys just saying if they lost 5 games in a row they should have to play 2 bots, if they lose 10 a row 4, if they lose 15 in a row..... 50 bot games since they do not understand the game well enough to play with others. and the OP poster here would prob end up playing 50
Jbels (NA)
: Then you're playing the wrong ones.
> [{quoted}](name=Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GYlakoqM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-17T13:11:20.260+0000) > > Then you're playing the wrong ones. He's in low ello as he stated its not the champion. Every coach of league, and pro player have stated the common line In low ello it doesn't mater what you play, as long as you know your champ and play it right. You'll climb to diamond.
Mob Piru (NA)
: yeah all of that means nothing when ur support dies in lane alot and causes u to be zoned from farm
Yeah bc I'm sure that never happens to anyone else, Check your ego bro. Its not everyone else its you. Lots of league player suffer from the same thing you do. They think they are better than they actually are. You role, your lane, your game. Others players change constantly. You are the only constant factor so You are the one that makes or screws the pooch as it were. Soon as accept this simple truth the sooner you'll actually watch your own replays, sooner you'll actually spend a couple hours a week or more in the practice tool or norms csing, which is the sooner you'll climb. I'm an asshole i'll give you that 1 fact, but I'm telling you the same thing every league coach will tell you. That is its not your team its you. There is nothing Riot, or you can do to choose who your team mates are rather than duo queing, which is unfair in solo que i believe. So work on you, coming here bitching about shitty team mates has never in the entire history of league gain even 1 play a rank. Practicing the fundaments did however.
: what does he bring to a team that others dont do better? the removal of the magic pen from runes and masteries combined with the keystone (i forget its name) hurt him hard as all he brought to lane was stupid damage as the rest of his kit is a gimmick. edit go into practice and try it out
I never said he brought anything others didnt, so piss off 2nd don't care i was playing for fun 3rd i'm to lazy, but figured others might wanna know. 4th Idc how much you hate bard, go somewhere else this was just a fun experence i had with a question about cdr. Idk what your so scared of happening to take such an offence to my story, but that's your problem not mine. I never asked for buff or nerf, nor suggested it happen. Thats your fears handle them yourself this isnt a op nerf or buff post. So get lost.
Rioter Comments
: "I was in Alpha".
I'd like to see the icon size of {{champion:122}} Q, Actually touch my champion when the damage hits too, only thats never been fixed. I can clearly see it missing alot yet the hit box registration = hit. Even the biggest of games have flaws that Riot never gets around to fixing.
Mob Piru (NA)
: As an ADC in low elo its hard to win games
So your asking for a pro jug and support to be placed on your team, because of your personal lack of skill, against an equally low skilled adc....? Or that you get an option for a challenger AI bot to be created that can be paired with you? Yeah bud, thats exactly whats keeping you at low ello, can't be your own skill or item build or god forbid positioning, and wave control. You know those key aspects that are fundamental for someone who plays adc to learn to be good. Def not your fault your not learning them, gotta be the team. He'll must be a flip of a coin between what makes bronze 5 and challenger ranked adcs.... Doublelift is just lucky I guess...
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AGi1iU8U,comment-id=000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-16T22:01:18.287+0000) > > Lost they can all do it withoug it. Its not the item, and you left out Yasou{{champion:157}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:236}} old {{champion:35}} {{champion:122}}{{champion:24}} Yes, I left out Yasuo. Back then was before his tank phase; he would die to a breeze if ccd. The others listed had either a survival ability (shield or heal) which scaled with AD or an ability which made them fairly impervious to dying. Jayce is an outlier, but he had range on everyone and it was before his gameplay update. > Granted cdr is easy toget on all champs. So what was the bitching about AA again? Because in todays meta you get 1 shot, so AA don't happen CDR is still rather tough to get on bruisers. They're the only class left pretty much. Mid lane also has to crutch on {{item:3165}} for their cdr which is less than ideal. Having a hard time figuring out if an actual discussion on SotO is wanted after reading the above :/ If there was a version which could be made to only affect abilities it might be balanceable, but as it was the item needed to be removed.
{{item:3025}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3158}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3001}} {{item:3194}} Your right i looked left, right, and down for something midlaners use that has cdr, bruisers too. Tough to find really maybe i should look up.... Hope i can find something that will make my meji's prac = to sota. Like there's no way i could come up with a very viable build. Notice i even left out tree fort so people could say something
Shadòw (EUW)
: because people on this boards generally think that everything that does burst damage is somehow broken.
Because every last champ that dealt damage like that with a sleep, got nerfed into the ground, bc of no counter play. Remeber when Talon had cut throat silence?: a .2 of a second silence = removal because players said OP no counter play. Only talon had to use his full combo, to kill..... Zoey.... sleep and wait for it .... 1.5 seconds later BOOOM!
: My League of Legends Survey Feedback
Agreed the games pace is way to fast, its to casul now. He's really right it is starting to feel like Hero's of the Storm. A okay game when you don't have much time. League doesn't have much strat left to it. Its all macro and deathballs. Season 4, great year. All the variaty of item builds on champs. Its like League took 80% of the options for players out of the game and forced them into the deathball mode. Upvoting Vets band together Let's make League Great Again!
: Sword of the Occult
If yall complaining about Sword of the occult, then yall should upvote removal of all this guys upgrades {{champion:516}} bc by the time u stack sota you can get his shit. And with todays cdr, I don't see how its OP or even close to a miss match. Bring back the lantern for the jungle to so i can stack.
: {{champion:84}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:5}} ^The above were particularly terrifying back then from what I can remember. Basically anyone who could either get the jump on someone or drain-tank through vampage.
Lost they can all do it withoug it. Its not the item, and you left out Yasou{{champion:157}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:236}} old {{champion:35}} {{champion:122}}{{champion:24}} Granted cdr is easy toget on all champs. So what was the bitching about AA again? Because in todays meta you get 1 shot, so AA don't happen
: SotO is a snowball item though. And they could indeed stack it quite safely back then. In today's world, yes, most of those champs aren't _as safe_ due to cc being abundant.
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: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R7RgTsG8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-16T18:06:37.651+0000) > > He is a mana hungry champion, however runes reforged added 2 mana runes. The Mana flow band in sorcery, and what was the other first tier presion tree far right. They solved any mana issues any laner could possibly have actually. Pantheon can afford to start Longsword with no need of refilable now, and never run out of mana before backing. > > Also Aftershock is a secret OP rune on him, as it grants him armor and mr when he ults in on people and stuns them. that bonus only last a breif time, but hey a full damage panthoen only needs that little bit of time to kill. i have only ever seen sorcery on panth and it is annoying i just did the math for his mana costs in a comment and its pretty annoying there are champs that beat him but his q is just so annoying for the champ pool i use
Armor my friend lots of armor and hp. all his damage is AD taking dorons shield along with the 3rd tier resolve mastery helps as well. or just play Vlad, a pantheon can't do much against Vlad Kennen and akali good counters as well. Hell even Garen is if you save your Q.
: Shaco's clone expiration timer
I don't either however..... Revert the Reworked Shaco!!!!!!
Rioter Comments
: How to beat Tahm Kench in lane?
{{item:3812}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3139}} GG Talm, was nice knowing yah He has no counter play to this build whats so ever tobe honest, no tank does. You can sub out the last item for mortal reminder or lord dom if you need to, but the QS, in it removes all cc.
: i gotta say pantheon is probably the most annoying champ in top lane right now
He is a mana hungry champion, however runes reforged added 2 mana runes. The Mana flow band in sorcery, and what was the other first tier presion tree far right. They solved any mana issues any laner could possibly have actually. Pantheon can afford to start Longsword with no need of refilable now, and never run out of mana before backing. Also Aftershock is a secret OP rune on him, as it grants him armor and mr when he ults in on people and stuns them. that bonus only last a breif time, but hey a full damage panthoen only needs that little bit of time to kill.
: What is going on with Riot Games ?
I don't see league of legends ranking number 1 in 2 years honestly. The competitive nature has already started to decline, the player base will follow.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KhNw8yzy,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-16T01:09:26.428+0000) > > How about you goto hell trying to become immune to Yasoua's true coutner CC. > > If he got any buffs he'd be unstoppable. His kit if you fully master him will allow you to 1v5 everyone currently. Thats not a quote from me but from Lost shadows, and double lift both saying that about him. > > The Fact is they continue both to agree on is that Yasou has not yet been mastered by any player, even the pro's haven't. There is just to many moves ahead to count and keep up with, and if they slip up Yasou dies. Hence why they don't pick him in the LCS. He has a god teir kit already overloaded, only thing keeping balance truely is the player skill required to play him perfectly You're wrong in every since and considering Yasuo is getting a huge buff your pretty clueless about balance. 1. More tancity wouldn't make Yasuo immune since cc would still work. 2. The idea was for knock ups/backs. Not all cc. Don't be rude and go learn how to play.
Well then I guess lost shadows, was wrong, and double lift too. Guess you know better than a profession player. Some consider the best adc in the world i might add. And LS if you dont know who he is, your playing the wrong game, i mean he coaches the pros, he ask and they come to stream on his twitch and youtube channels. He's been an annoucer for the LCS championship i believe 1 or 2 years. I started in preseason 4, so generally I know alot about the game. But the guys i learned this from could smoke me 4 levels and an item under 1v1. I get it you love Yasou, yall go on dates you buy him a beer and you a pink flamingo. But there's no way you can expect me or anyone to believe you over a pro, and famious coach of pros. Idc how much you love the champ, that don't matter. If yasou gets a huge buff, they'll nerf him right back into the ground for a year like they did with Azir. Why did Berj play azir? overloaded kit. The champions kit simply had so much to work with it was OP. Not the damage, the mobility the utiltiy of it. Sure any kit has damage, but you add those other 2 in, it becomes overloaded. He'll People complained about talon's kit being overloaded, i was there his e cut throat had a .1 of a second silence i believe it was. Peopled yelled "no counterplay" bc of it. In away then they were right but wrong at the same time. I love talon I did as you are now argued it wasn't. And like you i was talking out my ass. I did a search on the forums just where is this supposed buff for Yasou coming from? I've seen some players saying idle gossip but no one directing to a dev from riot games saying it.
: >I've noticed lots of tubers running it. I believe they do for the exstra damage early, as the game has gotten quicker. Yeah, I gotchu. Now that they've nerfed it from 30 dmg to 20 idk if everyone will take it anymore tbh. >So every cs and xp you miss hurts even more now. And you know what pros say, constantly be Auto attacking bc it'll add up. Unless your facing mundo that is heheheheh You right bro. On both counts.
I didn't even know they nerfed it I tend to run gathering storm myself. Reason is it's not useless just usually weak. However should the game go the distance my team gets an advantage esp if your playing Vlad and running overgrowth. O tend to shy away from Grasp as honestly it sucks. I mean yeah it heals and deals some of your hp as damage. but 2 on a ranged champion, only 5 on melee The keystone is lack luster. Overgrowth on the other hand gives 1% hp every 40 minions or ncps. Granted end game is only about 5% I still think its better than grasp in hp bonus. With Vlad its ampped of course since all hp transer into ap power and ap power transfer to hp. Grasp is kinda viable as every 4 seconds teck you gain what 2 hp , + starting hp allowing you to pick up tha gold item level 1 instead of dorons or boots. Then get a cull. Honestly I hate the fact the game spead up. Its less gold so now im going to lane with support items. scortched not stacking = usless rune for dot champions. Well I did out 1v1 a yi with teemo without Q with gather storm anyway O,O. Before the aery nerf of course
Rester (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJthzrKa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T01:34:54.440+0000) > You COMPLETELY missed the point of what I was saying... AP Itemization as in AP Item Pass. They're reworking AP items to help mages and AP Assassins. Maybe try to ask what I meant instead of assuming it was regarding item builds or complaints about poor item builds.
> [{quoted}](name=Rester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJthzrKa,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-16T03:25:28.263+0000) > > You COMPLETELY missed the point of what I was saying... AP Itemization as in AP Item Pass. They're reworking AP items to help mages and AP Assassins. > > Maybe try to ask what I meant instead of assuming it was regarding item builds or complaints about poor item builds. You used incorrect terminoligy or however its spelled then. As for mage item reworks. SMH Riot will never learn. Mages are already stronger than AD in game. There is litterly no reason to remake them stronger. Only hyper snowball champs and use ad effectively
: Please explain how she is overloaded i'm genuinely curious
by having twice as much out potential to outplay than half of the champions in league = overloaded right now even challenger players play her bad bc she's new. Thus, she has alot more potential towards being overloaded and OP than you know.
: Nah it doesn't stack. The rune adds a flat (delayed by 1 second) 20 damage every time it's procced. It really doesn't sound very good :/ It's like a 1/3 of an auto worth of damage every 20 seconds.
I've noticed lots of tubers running it. I believe they do for the exstra damage early, as the game has gotten quicker. So every cs and xp you miss hurts even more now. And you know what pros say, constantly be Auto attacking bc it'll add up. Unless your facing mundo that is heheheheh
: After 1 second, the enemy receives the scorch damage all at once in 1-tick of damage. Scorch has a 20 second cd, so any ability will only proc it once then the rune goes on cd.
but teemo's dot shrooms and poison dont stack, Cass's dots don't stack. I can go on. So does scortched stack? I can read the tool tip no problem.
: Perfect buffs for Aatrox
you just cut out his damage on W and dumbed his kit down further you know that right? In case you don't understand If you take any complexity away from a champions kit, you lower the skill level needed to master him, by lowering that it means he can't do things he used todo. I'm not saying Aatrox doesn't need a buff, and havent really read the other ones. However, I know W is bad off the top, your trying to make it full healing. Which after 1 item, you can leave it on damage for free.
Galacius (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheFallenShaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KhNw8yzy,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-16T01:09:26.428+0000) > > How about you goto hell trying to become immune to Yasoua's true coutner CC. > > If he got any buffs he'd be unstoppable. His kit if you fully master him will allow you to 1v5 everyone currently. Thats not a quote from me but from Lost shadows, and double lift both saying that about him. > > The Fact is they continue both to agree on is that Yasou has not yet been mastered by any player, even the pro's haven't. There is just to many moves ahead to count and keep up with, and if they slip up Yasou dies. Hence why they don't pick him in the LCS. He has a god teir kit already overloaded, only thing keeping balance truely is the player skill required to play him perfectly Edited your post. Let's not go down the road to personal attacks.
Sorry Galacius, but you know as well as I that Yasou is frello You either get free ello or end up in ello hell. And i'm not the one that made that a saying the champion did. He's not even close to an underpowered champion. The OP has tobe trolling. Your right though I let it get to me to much sorry OP, its just really stupid and dumb ideas bother me. Thats like saying lets buff teemos hp by 500 at level 1 and make his base ms 450. While we are at it make him manaless with attackspeed that scales to 2.5 on its own by level.
Rioter Comments
: I hate to ask for a nerf, but Teemo's double proc Is kinda unfair.
If you guys say goto the practice tool, I tried. I think I'm just to dumb to figure out if its procing or something else is taking over
: Just wondering. Are u guys going to do anything about those scripters going rampage in Diamond+ ??
Nope i'm not gonna do anything. As i can't even see Diamond 5 from where i'm at `starts crying`
Rester (NA)
: Sorry to say but DFG is gone. But with AP Itemization coming up sometime after January we might see a weaker form of it come back, who knows.
> [{quoted}](name=Rester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJthzrKa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-16T01:17:23.364+0000) > > Sorry to say but DFG is gone. But with AP Itemization coming up sometime after January we might see a weaker form of it come back, who knows. AP Itemization.... um why you need to wait for Jan todo your own build orders. See that's my problem with league today no skill in the player base anymore. Its all about macro. Idk what rank you are Rester bout I doubt its bronze 4 or 5 which in season 4 you would be. Why? because we didnt have pro builds, champion gg or lol king. We actually had to get out the calculators and go threw every item in the game. PS: In season 4 there were 2 to 3 viable item builds per champion. Now days there's only one. Kinda shows how dumbed down the game has gotten. If you want advice on item builds, here it is. Drop 1 big purchace to a medium or small purchace or take Kle. Why? Because games are faster and champions rarely see 18. What this means is items like banner of command which weren't viable before on alot of champions just very well maybe now. Because the faster the game goes the fewer minion waves aka gold. I've actually switched to starting with a support item myself for this very reason. Generally I go for the ap one since it gives 2 gold per second, plus when i damage enemys or turrets. only time i go shield is when I have a champion that scales off hp, I'm good at playing safe and know how to damage an enemy enough to keep them off me early. 10mins pass the gold item has already paid for its self pretty much give or take i cant remeber the numbers i ran months ago.
: Give us Deathfire Grasp
deathfire grasp is divided between the damaging keystones on sorcery and scortched Thank you for asking.
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