: you stated that you changed all ranged but come on you guys gave no love for the {{champion:17}}. He still is ranged right?
they made a few significant changes to his shrooms a couple of patches before the marksmen patch, so I'm guessing that'd be why.
: Yup! We biffed the production on this one but we thought that the content was important enough to push out to the community.
don't you mean it got buffed actually?
: No, it sounds like a intro song of a news show
it's actually this year's URF theme.
Kaeblen (NA)
: Some of the late discussion was really interesting: ---- "If there was a champion we did not have ideas for, we resolved not to force it. I Actually feel like some of our work on juggernauts was... **forced**; and hear we said 'if we don't get something massive for every marksman lets just make sure we have something that players will really love'." --37:20-- "Another thing is, changes that are bad also generate frustration" --38:50-- "by contrast, *Skarner, from the previous set of updates, was an example where we didn't get that particularly well." "It doesn't feel as tied to his core" --39:40-- "Particularly the juggernauts, we started to work on them and we had them in place, and we grabbed a bunch of artists and said 'work with us' and oftentimes they were just confused at what the heck we were doing." "and that made it feel not as great to work on." --42:15-- ---- I know I picked up a few very negative points here, but I think the first one sums it up the most: We have 2 examples very close together of very intensive changes to champions, as well as their associated items. {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:72}} VS {{champion:51}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:133}} It makes me SO unbelievably happy seeing that the second iteration seems to be turning out SO much better than the previous. there are _STILL_ people who are fuming over some of the 5.16 changes, but 5.22?--no, things look good.
I predict another juggernaut update in the middle of season 2017 because the champions have either changed out of their previous update to the point where they do completely different things than they should or the game got flipped on it's head and they are pretty much back to where they were before the original juggernaut update. Or maybe a mix of both. Any way I try to look at it, I can't help but think that they will be updated again fairly soon, maybe not in as a landscapingly big way as 5.16 did but significantly enough to probably make them almost 100% pick/ban at worlds for a second time around. That said, I like your analysis of that comment about juggernaut because I'm a morde main and myself, as well as many others have felt that his rework was half-baked and probably needed more thought put into him.
: League Community Podcast Ep. 2
Would it be possible to bind a masteries configuration to a specific champion based on a player's style of decision making in a possible future? Like, I have a defensive configuration for a health stacking, defensive tank like {{champion:36}} and a much more aggressive set of masteries when I feel like playing {{champion:58}} from one game to another so I don't have to make sure that I have the correct configuration before going in any given queue. I think it'd fix the need to tweak a pre-game build in order to contribute to the teamp comp and have the chance to screw the game up and be behind from the start but it'd also solidify the champion pool of a player that is pretty much impossible to outban. I also think that it'd give ranked solo-queue more flexibility for choice of lane and roles. I've been put off from ranked because someone who's first pick decides to either screw me over by bannning the EXACT champion I felt like playing and that I asked to not ban or ignore role calling in champion select and force himself in a lane/role based on the champion he or she picked pretty much every time I queued up and it pissed me off every time. I'd really like to have that kind of thing delt with in some form or addressed and help me ease into roles that I don't have any experience in.
: RiotScruffy talks ChampUp and Poppy!
Can there be a discussion about champion spotlights? Isn't it customary to have a new spotlight after a champion gets a visual update or a full on rework? Specificaly, {{champion:82}} got a pretty big update and while the other three juggernauts got a dedicated new spotlight, Morde is left out hanging. Seriously!!! Get around to doing his already! IT'S BEEN TOO LONG!!! Also, it's been a couple of patches old update and there's STILL no spotlight! Make it happe!
: @Riot @Meddler Undocumented Mordekaiser changes and incorrect information
The way CertainlyT handled the feedback thread was very inconsidered and insulting, to not say incompetently. I made a bunch of detailed observations expecting a reply, even when I reluctantly reported a bug, not a thing. But to no surprise though.
: What do you think about renaming "Summoner Spells" to "Auxiliary Spells"?
I'll go way out of the box here, if summoner spells are no longer reffered as such, then what about the rift? Should that be renamed to Auxiliary Rift or Auxiliar Rift? Summoner is a pretty broad term in it's definition... because to have a summon, you need a summoner to cast the spell for such action. Also, summoning someone doesn't require any chanting, just the memo(or depending on who you are, the pink slip). Summoner and it's derivatives are pretty handy I find to name some things or others.
Mishli (NA)
: i have been searching new items and haven't seen anything to help with mana, there's a pot that's similar to flask, but that doesn't help anything beyond what it already does right now, haven't been able to look at masteries yet, but i haven't seen anything to compensate, that's part of the reason they boosted a lot of supports by .5, but in some lanes/matchups, that still doesn't make up for it. i realize not everything has come out yet, but i wanted to get my request (please have something to help with mana) out before everything was set in stone, and not later when 'sorry, everything's already decided'
from what I've gathered on the PBE forum, they are doing the same kind of thing as when trinkets were introduced one or two preseasons ago along with the new gold generation items for supports. Except, it'll be a much broader spectrum in items and how you manage your mana. I personnaly expect that ther's going to be more mana regen items in the future or that current ones will be cost reduced or made more cost effective. And as a reminder, league is never gonna be set in stone... or else there wouldn't be shifts in the meta and you'd always see the same 10, 15 champions getting played in the LCS and no one would know how to play more than one or two champion barely ok or what is counter pick. Just have faith, I'm sure riot has taken note of your concern and if there IS significant mana problems, they'll remedy to that before S6 begins. Hopefully anyways...
: Also, _**IF YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE PBE**_, feel free to add me and I'll get you hooked up with my group so we can do a lot of controlled testing and also have a full group on the PBE to avoid people taking the new champ/rework/skin first and we all take turns. This group wants to actually test as much as we can, as well as make a better testing environment so we can leave as much input with Riot as we can. _**PLEASE do not ask if we have accounts to lend or sell. WE DO NOT. We're just a group of LoL players just like you**_ -Also we're on the North American server- > EDIT: I have not had internet for the last year and just recently got it back. I'm happy that I STILL get friend requests and replies on this comment, so I wanted to still provide a way for you guys to meet up and play together, so I'll put a link to my Discord here, and make a specific channel for those who join. Enjoy! https://discord.gg/SQKaP9a _**PLEASE do not ask if we have accounts to lend or sell. WE DO NOT. We're just a group of LoL players just like you**_ but you can always just enjoy good company till you get your own account! We are just a group of friends who play league and other games together, we play norms/aram/customs for fun a lot! Have a great day everyone! {{sticker:galio-happy}}
Vreivai (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tohoko the Neko,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=x0yZbtrr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-02T02:46:03.713+0000) > > lol > > that azir build though And the TP/Ignite Ashe
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=x0yZbtrr,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-11-02T03:00:10.745+0000) > > And the TP/Ignite Ashe well... atleast THAT has a chance to work xP but then again... maybe now xP
: Also, _**IF YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE PBE**_, feel free to add me and I'll get you hooked up with my group so we can do a lot of controlled testing and also have a full group on the PBE to avoid people taking the new champ/rework/skin first and we all take turns. This group wants to actually test as much as we can, as well as make a better testing environment so we can leave as much input with Riot as we can. _**PLEASE do not ask if we have accounts to lend or sell. WE DO NOT. We're just a group of LoL players just like you**_ -Also we're on the North American server- > EDIT: I have not had internet for the last year and just recently got it back. I'm happy that I STILL get friend requests and replies on this comment, so I wanted to still provide a way for you guys to meet up and play together, so I'll put a link to my Discord here, and make a specific channel for those who join. Enjoy! https://discord.gg/SQKaP9a _**PLEASE do not ask if we have accounts to lend or sell. WE DO NOT. We're just a group of LoL players just like you**_ but you can always just enjoy good company till you get your own account! We are just a group of friends who play league and other games together, we play norms/aram/customs for fun a lot! Have a great day everyone! {{sticker:galio-happy}}
This guy will remove you without any reason... he'll perma ban you from TS saying it was an accident. He's not to be trusted! If you're reading this Pyro, then explain to me why you don't want anything to do with me.
: > [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=x0yZbtrr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-11-02T02:46:55.643+0000) > > TWO > > FUCKING > > HOURS > > WHAT. I think they were dragging it on on purpose.
> [{quoted}](name=xXWukong360Elite,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=x0yZbtrr,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-11-02T02:47:29.362+0000) > > One of the players, I'm not going to name who, purposely drags on games so he can KS his teammates. there's always master yi, the master of ks'ing you. that should be his new title.
: Craziest match I found while browsing match history of my previous teammates
: > [{quoted}](name=Tohoko the Neko,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-11-01T16:32:54.205+0000) > > chances are, tower will kill him for you instead of putting your squishy life in mortal danger. don't you mean.....**morde**al danger? :^) brb killing self
> [{quoted}](name=Metaspark,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2015-11-01T16:55:36.772+0000) > > don't you mean.....**morde**al danger? > > :^) > > brb killing self good one. too bad phreak won't see it xP
: > [{quoted}](name=Tohoko the Neko,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-11-01T16:09:36.464+0000) > > and he's actually playable now! ... old sion was able to fucking 0-100 people with nothing but AP.. But yet again, new sion can like shred your armor and make you take all the damage.. but both were slow AF.
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2015-11-01T16:19:00.879+0000) > > ... > > old sion was able to fucking 0-100 people with nothing but AP.. > > But yet again, new sion can like shred your armor and make you take all the damage.. > > but both were slow AF. I understand what you mean, but the old Sion required a lot of farming in order to gain enough health to take out anyone he wanted and not die after two or three tower shots... Also, there was definite problems outside of champions alone... items like DFG(rip) were enabling a lot of champs that usually didn't have much kill pressure to focus whoever they wanted. So.... it's kind of bias to say that his old kit was OP if you don't take into consideration which item was present at the time and what the build orders were as well. Same thing with AP what's-his-face {{champion:11}} that was just impossible to deal with... I still shudders when one of them is on my team.... I loathe that champion with all my being because of the single minded(toxic) and greedy play pattern he imposes upon those who main him. And to top it all off, it's not that hard to fall into such a trap. Thankfully, riot nerfed that almost out of existence. But come on, in the wealth of skillshot abilities that is in the game, he's the last champion that still has a point and click ability that is so utterly frustrating because it not only deals shit ton of damage, it makes him untargetable, invisible AND no matter if you manage to get away from him, he still hurts you bad. And if that isn't enough, he can just ult and catch up to kill you before the rest of your entire team has time to do anything to stop him..... =_='
: Does any reworked/new champion in the last year have any meaningful weaknesses?
> [{quoted}](name=Legendary Albert,realm=EUNE,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-31T17:55:12.932+0000) > > p.s. > > saying things like "{{champion:157}} Q is a skill shot, that's his weakness", **no! bad girl/sister!!. **skill shot is not a weakness!, never will be! The skill shot in and of itself isn't the weakness of any kit, it's the decision you make and how fast you make it that makes or break your escape... atleast, that's what I like to think anyways. Yasuo's Q can be easily dodged **SIDEWAYS** whenever he launches it, even if he's about to ult you... It's called "knowing how to _position_ against your lane opponent." It's a fairly rudimentary skill that you have to sharpen if you want to carry your team. LCS and pro players figured that shit out a long time ago and that's why they got where they are today. Not because of how OP or broken a champion is, but with hard work. TSM didn't make it out of groups because they are disjointed and can't be cohesive among themselves. They made horrible plays and got rightly punished for it in return. But when you look at Faker, the guy is a true legend! His mechanics with _**ANY**_ champion is on a whole different level than anyone else has achieved. Don't get me wrong, he's still just a human and will make mistakes(if few or any) but when his opponent makes the mistakes of 1v1 out of nowhere or 2v1 him under tower, he's capable of winning the fight without so much as a twitch or go down below 50% health.(go watch the finals if you don't believe me) They say knowledge is power, and with good reasons too. If you know how to work around morde's damage source, you can kill him without having to wait for some CC to land. But alas, most people think that just because he has a shield that functions as a secondary health bar, he's broken and OP as fuck, but fight him with no minions around and you have a clear advantage. Let him tower dive you and take some damage after you've harrassed him enough and chances are, tower will kill him for you instead of putting your squishy life in mortal danger. In other words, the OP'ness of a champion is concentrated around the patterns that the kit wants you to have. You're aggressive but play a passive focus champion and always end up dying to turret shots? The reverse is also true; You play passively with a champion like riven that is all about blowing up a squishy and be in the faces of the opponent and you wonder why you lose lane constantly? The champion is only as OP as the player. Let it be said.
: something something Wasnt {{champion:14}} reworked within a year from this date?
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Z5h5Q7xh,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-11-01T16:03:58.471+0000) > > something something > > Wasnt {{champion:14}} reworked within a year from this date? and he's actually playable now!
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Muffinsong,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=fdtqRPzG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-10-31T21:45:24.138+0000) > > Lore.... that's so boring when you compare years before. > It feels broke ass to wait until after October. > Heck lets have Christmas on January 3rd since I don't get paid til the 2nd. Last year's lore in a nutshell -- http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/OBvHyl3H-today-i-watched-spook-story-by-riot-games Last year we had decent event and content, but practically no story. This year we have lots of story, but practically no content and basically no event. Riot can't balance anything, not even a Harrowing event
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=fdtqRPzG,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-10-31T21:56:08.757+0000) > > Last year's lore in a nutshell -- http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/OBvHyl3H-today-i-watched-spook-story-by-riot-games > > Last year we had decent event and content, but practically no story. This year we have lots of story, but practically no content and basically no event. Riot can't balance anything, not even a Harrowing event at least not without making sacrifices...
: EVERY FKING MOBA besides league has multiple halloween events/stuff, there is no excuse for this.
Riot's pride is in Worlds... Brings more money to be seen by millions of viewers around the world and selling overpriced tickets to the dumb local fans that go to such an event instead of playing at home than a silly small scale, shortly timed event like Halloween... They go watch OTHER people play LoL for fuck's sake. I don't care how you look at it... Worlds is to blame for the lack of festive content. Plus the juggernaut patch and blah blah blah blah....... They finaly have time to do proper lore because that's now what they have time to do.
: I just found my god
lol.... it'll happen sooner or later xP just have to wait.
: Me and Morgana leave to live happily ever after. -Flower face- Also hard to do with riot's lack of care, slow lore output/retconning.
> [{quoted}](name=DariusDemiurge,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=bk1MNly6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-31T23:35:59.374+0000) > > Me and Morgana leave to live happily ever after. -Flower face- > > Also hard to do with riot's lack of care, slow lore output/retconning. true... but one never can know for certain if one never tries. hopefully, Riot will have lore diarrhea and have like 6 or 7 batches of updated lore for 8 to 10 champs each by the start of next season and manage to pump out the rest by next year's MSI...
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tohoko the Neko,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FAqN5Z0k,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2015-10-31T23:23:50.994+0000) > > supposed to be Zilean or a random runescape mage? It's the Wise Old Man from Runescape http://www.runehq.com/image/persondb/w/wiseoldman.png
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FAqN5Z0k,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2015-10-31T23:26:08.961+0000) > > It's the Wise Old Man from Runescape > > http://www.runehq.com/image/persondb/w/wiseoldman.png lol... then he can just die and rot away for all I care. FUCK that game.
Rioter Comments
Ditsdiar (NA)
: "he who dies, no longer lives"
"All things must die... and yet, I live on" -Mordekaiser How's that, huh?
Jikker (NA)
: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/f/f1/Wise_old_man.png/revision/latest?cb=20140316215605&path-prefix=fi
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FAqN5Z0k,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2015-10-31T21:56:59.245+0000) > > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/f/f1/Wise_old_man.png/revision/latest?cb=20140316215605&path-prefix=fi supposed to be Zilean or a random runescape mage?
Ditsdiar (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nsaneone,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FAqN5Z0k,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-10-30T21:37:08.458+0000) > > http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/593/peopledie.jpg remove ur weeb garbage pls
> [{quoted}](name=Ditsdiar,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FAqN5Z0k,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-10-30T23:46:08.535+0000) > > remove ur weeb garbage pls leave the salt on your way out.
Bottt (NA)
: Wow! This years Harrowing is so spooky!
if you can't use the little amount of imagination you have to get into the story you read, then don't bother with it in the first place. just a pro {{item:3301}} {{item:3096}} tip for you to enjoy yourself more.
zKenshi (NA)
: I didn't realize it but I was more or less doing this unconsciously on most of my champs that I use. However now that I fully understand it, and can do it intentionally, I can do things like Annie Flash tibbers properly. (I played her once and missed it and thought I was just bad at it haha. But makes sense that it's done this way. People with targeted dash's I've done this with. (Akali, Yasuo etc). For people who aren't getting it, essentially there's a stack of commands something like this. (I thought the video was super clear but here)/ 1. I press e to condemn a target not in range. 2. Vayne walks towards target to condemn. Now there are 3 options: A. Target tries to engage me with gap close and I condemn immediately as they come into range. B. I do nothing after that and I condemn after auto walking into range. C. I can cancel the walk toward enemy and condemn command (most players do) and do something like walk, last hit, poke etc with an aa. The goal is to alternate between doing C and A **when you think they are going to engage**. Obviously you don't wanna walk onto the alistar so you have to cancel that condemn walk repeatedly. I do this more or less when I'm low and know they're gonna jump on me. Obviously the uses vary depending on the champ and this case is purely defensive. You can see how this would be very effective on talon in a team fight. If u hit his E on the adc before they all clump together u will only target the adc even if they do once ur in range. (You could also use his ult and then hit E and flash after to make him auto jump invis once ur in range on the correct target and delete). Making this extremely useful. THIS WORKS WITH ALL TARGETED ABILITIES.
UPVOTED! Because I like how you explained this.
: Is there any way that this is going to be balanced in competitive play? I see this as a huge buff to {{champion:429}}. In Pro play, if someone picks {{champion:429}} then the opposite team will want to lane swap because {{champion:429}} will bully you in lane. However if you play {{champion:429}} and get her first pick on Blue side, then you can lane swap instead. If {{champion:429}} can go top lane and get the Rift Herald buff, then Blue side with {{champion:429}} will have a very, very large advantage in the European style Lane swap, because early Baron minions will mean that they will get top tower sooner and then go bot lane and do the same thing. I feel like the Rift Herald is a huge indirect buff to {{champion:429}}. Unless the new items can make {{champion:429}} less oppressive early game then she's gonna have 100% pick/ban rate in Pro Play.
I'll try my best to reassure you by saying that in the event that Kalista becomes a huge laning phase monster in the preseason, she'll get nerfed fairly hard so that when season 6 come, she'll still be tamed and manageable early game. I also presume that the Rift Herald buff will only be obtainable if you either have smite or a jungling item when in game. Maybe top laners will take {{summoner:11}} over {{summoner:12}} at some point during the season if the Herald single target buff only requires smite to get it. Because I honestly don't see Kalista using smite as a summoner spell, even in a lane swap scenario. It wouldn't really do her any good I think. But maybe someone will try it and have excellingly good results, if even it'll be a "one trick poney" kind of thing.
Mishli (NA)
: PLZ PLZ PLZ... is there any way you can not remove mana pots? i understand a flat amount of mana can be a lot stronger on some champs than others, but maybe have them scale with champ like mana regen items do now? maybe a mana pot gives 3x base mana regen for 10 sec or something of the sort? as an avid support player and top laner (when you don't have the luxury to go back very often) mana pots are often the only thing that keeps me going in lane, especially if i've got a bad matchup and need to rely more on abilities than basic auto attacks to farm or in case i'm vs someone without mana such as riven, kennen or lee sin, or when playing as nami vs a heavy poke lane like caitlyn/karma and just trying to keep my adc from having to go b the moment they walk back into lane i can't speak on the flask changes, as i don't know what they are yet, but as it stands: if mana pots are simply gone i see 2 things happening, either resourceless champs are gonna have a much easier time vs anyone with mana, or i'm gonna have to rush homeguard every game just to try and stay in lane.
You are slightly over reacting to the removal of mana pots. Think about it for a second, mana pots are gone but new starting items for the early game are introduced as a compensation. I'm actually intrigued as to what they will have, stats wise. Like for instance, for every X minion killed, you get a flat amount of mana back over a few seconds(5 second cooldown). And if that isn't enough, the new masteries will most likely incorporate and adress early game mana starvation. So, in theory, a lot of mana heavy usage champions will get indirect mana buffs through runes and masteries. You might be surprised at how the meta will shift to favor early game for champs that are easily mana hungry. Or maybe they'll get straight up mana buffs and mana cost reductions closer to the start of next season. Only time will tell but I expect a lot of interesting changes with this preseason.
: its still up in the air now..but i keep thinking..what if {{champion:82}} were to have his ult active against the Rift Herald? he could even get his ult quicker with support {{champion:26}} sharing exp O.O just some thoughts{{summoner:31}}
Well... morde's full xp passive is basically getting nulled now since he'll be getting 50% xp like everyone else in a duo scenario, which I find kind of stupid to just not remove it outright or at the very least make it less than 100% xp from minions killed. I feel like 75% or even 60% of experience from lane minions wouldn't be as op as 100% when you compare it to just 50% for the other duo in bot lane. It wouldn't make him scale as quickly as with 100% but it'd retain him a little bit of an xp edge without being overly suffocating. And buffing his heal a little bit to compensate would be a nice touch I think. It's still good for sustaining the lane but it scales so badly unless it's used with a partner. Probably the worse ability as is in his kit at the moment.
: there aren't specific interactions with the altars with Eve as with the others, but Eve still triggers their Shadow Isles specific quotes (the ones that aren't champion specific but the non-champion specific quotes that play when one of them captures the altars), at least, i remember that being the case when ~~the Shadow Isles was released~~ *cough*, sorry, i mean Twisted Treeline got its update
Isn't it the case for every none Shadow Isles champion though? Cause, otherwise, it goes back to what I said. No hard proof that eve is from the shadow isles.
: No Eve or Yorick? Shame. Those are the two I wanted most from the SI.
{{champion:83}} yes, {{champion:28}} no
: If I remember correctly, evelynn's original bio said nothing about the shadow isles because she was around way before that entire idea. Then when they released the shadow isles her bio was quietly adjusted to include that small tidbit of information so she at least had some connection to other characters. Many of the original characters have had their bios adjusted, remember when renekton and nasus were from outer space? The whole point of this is to fix all the champs backgrounds, but until they do, their current bios are still in effect. Its the only place mentioned in her bio so thats where she's from. If you have any solid evidence suggesting otherwise then post it.
Yeah, ok... connecting threads together can kind of make a rope long enough to hang yourself with, but at one point or another, something will give way and you'll fall down on your ass. I wasn't playing league back when the beta was around, hell, I'm not even interested in finding out about old or current lore all that much in the first place, just pointing out loop holes is plenty enough for me. That being said, there's just not a shit given for me as someone who wants to get involved with any given champion when there's litterally no hard evidence in the lore to build even a small part of fantasy that I can imagin. And when the little bit of fantasy I'm given from a champion's lore is either bland and confusing as fuck or just plainly doesn't make any sense, I'm not impressed, both in the writing of that crap and in the champion itself. Now, to address your objection of my observation that Evelynn is truly not from the Shadow Isles; She's an assassin. A high priced assassin at that. Was that from before she was transformed into what she is now or after? There's no mention of that, yet. It can, however, be safely assumed that she took a trip to the Shadow Isles to further her career as a professionnal assassin for hire. What transpired during that time is mystery that I'm not buying into one bit. Not to mention that her bio doesn't SAY that she's from the Shadow Isles aside from a blatant attempt to force her into a place she doesn't really fit into because she can become invisible and send spikes from the ground. That's just basic stuff that you can easily smootch off by yourself from playing her rather than her lore. Having a champ play one way but say that its motivations are the exact opposite is counter productive for a fantasy. I mean, you don't have an ability named "Hate Spike" unless there's a deeper meaning for it that motivated someone to go as far as give up on being themselves to enact vengence on to a place of pretty much pure darkness, wouldn't you think? Look at how Kalista is the Spear of Vengence. You see her with a happy smile and fluffy cotton balls floating around in her classic splash art? No? I wonder why she was dressed the way she did then... it's not like the lore actually matters in making me CARE about her motivations, right? Mordekaiser has been around for far longer than Evelynn has and even back in S1, it was clear that he was an unliving being, which you should know is a recurring theme for the Shadow Isles if you've read any of the new bios they got out. Where is Evelynn's death and rebirth mentioned? I fail to see how she isn't anything but shoehorned into the Shadow Isles because that's the one place where the power to turn invisible from everything else except true sight makes sense to have. What it boils down for me is this; on the one hand, she traveled to the Shadow Isles so that she could get better in her career, whatever the cost may be. On the other, she was an inhabitant of the Blessed Isles and was a victim of the Ruined King that turned those same isles into what we know them as today. Anything else is just bogus and tries to mind fuck anyone who's reading Eve's lore for the first time before any of the unliving beforehand.
: Oh of course. I agree with you. Like I said, it's possible they will revise that, but I believe they don't want people to take a message that they advocate such use for every day use. I don't really care that much either way; I don't smoke nor have I ever. I had family who did and they died, so it was something I never cared about. My issue is just that when some things are allowed to persist and some are removed, it creates a disfunctional atmosphere to the game. However, I don't think something like BB Riven can be removed because people paid for that, and it would be wrong to take it off unless you compensated people for that loss, and even then...people are cray cray. Boxbox might go on strike xD Either way, I can deal, it's just kind of a nudge that bothers me from time to time.
**shrugs** BB Riven is a full skin while Graves cigar is not that important. The best that can be done is to disable the skin from regular purchasing like the legacy skins and make it available ever so often... So, while that doesn't solve the problem in and of itself, it does lessen the impact of it I think. Mundoverse is straight up bad in my opinion. I just can't stand it when stuff like that gets thrown in a totally unrelated discussion without any substance beyond "GIVE GRAVES HIS CIGAR BACK RITO!!! *boohoo* *cry* *cry* *moan moan* *whine whine* *upvote the same comment because everyone else does it*" That shit pisses me off so much.
: They will most likely revisit things like that in the future. The issue with smoking has been growing for a long time. A lot of cigarette companies can't make adds anymore, people don't actually smoke in tv anymore (light a cigarette and junk yeah but not the prolonged action of smoking), adds about not smoking and the effects, etc. Riot has enough sense to see popular opinion is shifting, and it would simply be better to avoid any issues of promoting drug use, just because laws are very nit-picky. Remember the lady who won a lawsuit at Mcdonald's for burning herself with coffee? Better safe than sorry.
I don't recall the lady at mc'donalds case,,, That said, I wasn't really trying to say that Riot pussied out because of appearances, only tried to make sarcastic and satirical humor about how all you see are comments in the line of "Give Graves his cigar back" being stuck in pretty much every discussion ever since it was removed. Like that's gonna go anywhere... I can't be the only one thinking that having a seringe full of a green liquid stuck in an overly bulging bicep implies the use of steroids... am I? I don't do body building but seriously.... there's GOT to be someone who'll agree with me that skin is suspiciously trying to say something of shady nature is okay to use... right? _crickets can be heard in the distance_
Haruki24 (NA)
: Please don't change {{champion:82}} I don't want him fucking ugly like {{champion:41}}
> [{quoted}](name=Haruki24,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=76Ilfg6d,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-10-26T20:16:38.346+0000) > > Please don't change {{champion:82}} I don't want him fucking ugly like {{champion:41}} well... it'd be better than what he currently has for a bio when you compare it to what it was last year. Probably for both cases I might add.
: Really hyped about the {{champion:131}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:80}} love that is incoming. A lot of potential with the Greek-like culture implied in the lore, as well as the issues between the Sun and Moon guys (don't remember the tribe names). Could we see some more development on {{champion:10}} and {{champion:25}} , because as far as I know, they are just extradimensional creatures who are sister and hate each other. Are there more of them? Where? What are they doing, playing poker and drinking non-alcoholic beverages and not smoking cigars? ({{item:3070}} {{champion:104}} {{item:3070}} ) Just my two cents, but thus far you guys have done a phenomenal job at creating deep characters and fleshing them out. Keep it up!
You forgot to mention how they're inevitably butchering character depth because it isn't fantasy enough for them... Like, the game is rated mature and clearly warns that there is tobacco, violence and sexual themes in the footage they make and yet graves loses his cigar because of some mysterious bullshit reason I don't care to know about that probably involves overly protective mothers or something. In the meantime, the {{champion:36}} Mundoverse skin promotes steroids and physical fitness going together hand in hand and that it's ok to use drugs to get muscles...? Like, WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!? I can see the lord morde skin having that crotch horn removed because it resembles an aweful lot to what a penis would be like for that skin, but a fucking cigar warranting such bullshit from the community? COME ON! You can do much better than that! Not to mention that we're all adults here, right? I mean, we've seen folks smoking in flicks before right? Did they make us want to start smoking because of it? I'm not gonna speak for everyone else but I've never been enclined to smoking to begin with so, incentives like those don't affect me at all. And unless there's reported cases of heavy tobacco usage by an underaged LoL player (16 and under) that required medical treatment then there's really no reason to remove it in the first place. Riot pussied out of what it created in the first place in an attempt to please everyone equally, which is nonsensical and impossible to do. Riot = Appearances > Players > Fans.
: I hope Riot gives a full account of {{champion:268}}'s bloodline. I'd like to know exactly how {{champion:15}} is related to him. Azir's immediate family was obliterated along with the rest of the Shuriman people so I'm curious how Sivir is his descendant. Also that neck on Sivir's in game model...what happened Riot? Her neck looks like it's broken. Check out Warrior Princess, Spectacular Sivir, and Bandit Sivir, tell me that neck doesn't look funky.
I would also like to know how Azir became the Emperor in the first place and how/why he had to disappear for who knows how many centuries. That seems to be left out in shallow waters.... or I haven't read deep enough into what is already there? Or maybe have some special interaction patched in that says how he really feels about Xerath?
: Honestly @Ant, we had a Shurima event relatively recently, but we haven't had a Targon thing, so I'm glad that's on your list, and we haven't really had any good stuff out of the Freljord or the Void recently other than releasing Braum and Vel'koz and Rek'sai, which totally don't count. I mean if we get more Shurima stuff that's a continuation of what went down with the Ascension event that might be cool, but frankly I'd like to see Freljord, Void, and Targon stuff much more than that. I'd like to see the story that was established in the Shurima event made readily accessible so that we can review the awesomeness, but I'd like some new stuff before we get more Shurima. I am excited for the Harrowing though, and to hopefully get a continuation of the Bilgewater awesomeness with that. (Although small issue with that too, I'm not a huge fan of you guys now saying that "the Harrowing can happen anytime"; I like having an event just for Halloween, and making it so you can do it whenever you feel like seems to take a little of the spooky and the magic out of it. Makes it a little less unique. I say make the Harrowing still the Halloween event, but don't restrict yourself to releasing Halloween stuff right there in the Halloween patch. You can release things leading up to it, I don't care. That's my two dollars and two cents. {{item:3301}}{{item:3301}}
They are late for the harrowing of this year's halloween. I wouldn't put it passed riot to do something of the sort for next year though.
V3S (NA)
: I would totally want to know more about the freljord champs, maybe some cool stories of them clashing, I think they're just the best.
There was an event for the Freljord when Lissandra was released. All freljord champions have had a special interaction with each other, based on which team each is in, where you'd win the freljord over if you killed ashe as sejuani for example. I hope they do more of those in the future, it was fun and I miss it. The interaction between Ashe and Sej is still in the game though, I had it happen to me once on ARAM a couple of days ago.
: She is also confirmed to be from the shadow isles. Her so called Spider God is actually the monster Vilemaw seen in twisted treeline, which is on the Shadow Isles. The Vilemaw we see is a miniature version of the actual titanic creature.
I know she's confirmed, that's why I picked her. =P Did not know that part about Vilemaw though xD
: Actually according to: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/evelynn/ She's shadow isles.
" it is believed that she hails from the Shadow Isles - though her link with that tortured realm remains shrouded in mystery." is not enough to prove that she really is from there. I mean, they gave her that place of reference because it was still unclear what the Shadow Isles were when she was released and has been in bio limbo ever since. If Evelynn really was from the Shadow Isles, there'd be specific interactions for her when capturing either altars like for {{champion:82}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:83}} Come on, have something you can actually backup with solid evidence rather than a backstory thrown together because "it's a MYSTERY" or some lame shit like that.
: they've stated why, though. the client is for getting into the game, not the lore, and they have the full stories on the champs' pages here cause uh I dunno, it makes sense?
You don't get it, the client lore and the website champion page lore are one and the same thing. Go compare Mordekaiser's lore at both places and tell me that the champion website page is better, I could use a good laugh.
: Dev Blog: Building a Better Bio
Morde's next bio better not be as bland and unimaginative as his current one is. I liked it most when it had some character motivation in it rather than just explain in a fantasy'ish way what his mechanics are and how they function. I mean, he fucking tells you about one of them as a move command response. Not to mention his champ select phrase is "I shall bring Great Suffering!" as if it wasn't obvious enough that his kit has health costs already... unlike mundo. I've been a morde main for the last 3 years, from the very start to this day, and he carried me all the way to 30 back in the day. I've always been able to count on him to make league fun, exciting and stressful for me in a matter of seconds and it felt good to win one of those engagements. Other times, when I don't win them I know it was my fault and I immediatly know what I did wrong. His gameplay and mechanics are much more engaging than his current lore is. A couple lines of text to explain what he is and touch a little on what he does but that's it. No quote, no character development, no motivation, nothing from his last bio that was interesting has been kept. I do acknowledge that when his appearance onto Runterra and the mention of the Shadow Isles is important, it doesn't justify his lore being so barebone that there needs research to be done in order to understand what the Shadow Isles is, what is his motivation and why he came to the league in the first place. Other champions have great in-depth bios that relate very well their path into LoL or have a metric ton of backstory put into them that just fleshes the champion out so much. But when I compare Morde's current lore to an equally old champion to which I have a more compelling attachment based on the storytelling of it all. I look at {{champion:102}}'s lore and I feel like she really is a half dragon who's in relatively good terms with {{champion:59}} based on his actions toward her. If anything, I prefered the lore he had pre-juggernaut patch where no one ever lived to tell his story except one little girl who saw him kill her master... I've never been able to shake the idea that it was Annie who first saw him long enough to tell his story on Runeterra... which would be really interesting to read about if it was expanded upon I think. Something like the following for Morde's bio/lore would be really awesome to have: _ "Mordekaiser is an entity of pure agony brought onto anyone who crosses the path of this unliving wraith with the tortured soul that is encased in a hulking suit of armor holding an unwieldy and heavy mace covered with chill giving spikes. Mordekaiser appears wherever there is great suffering in the human realms. Full scale wars and large battlefields are environments where it is most likely to catch a glimpse of this tall entity. Complete destruction is never far behind from the sightings of this creature as the victim's soul is enslaved after the body fell to the cursed death that Mordekaiser grants them. It is unknown to scholars from across Runeterra how this accursed suit of armor known as Mordekaiser is able to bring about the untimely death of whoever lays eyes upon it but one young child was lucky enough to have escaped it's iron grasp when her teacher unfortunatly refused to grant the wraith the knowledge it seeked to no avail for even death is not enough to save one's soul from Mordekaiser's cursed path of obliteration. "Pain is but a tool for the survivor, a constant reminder of one's own life essence." -Mordekaiser_ I would REALLY love to see something like this for Morde's new bio/lore. It'd be so much better than the bland couple lines of text he has now and would also solidify the whole "suit of metal armor" theme around the champion if worded correctly. I honestly don't think that the Shadow Isles need to be mentioned in his bio specificly since there's other champs that can fill that gap for him. E.G. "Karthus, seeking the undeath, decided on traveling to the Shadow Isles after Mordekaiser's presence in the vacinity of his study room convinced the foolish scholar that such a being with tremendous power over life and death had to come from somewhere undeath was commonplace." Hecarim brought Karthus back from the Shadow Isles after Thresh granted him undeath. Hecarim then decided that there was more fun around Mordekaiser, traveling to wherever destruction occured and war torned regions of Runeterra than a couple of islands in the middle of darkness or the Twisted Treeline. After some events that had Thresh betray Lucian, Kalista decided that both deserved to be punished for each own's actions. Lucian, for betraying his vow to protect his wife, and Thresh, for betraying Lucian by killing said wife after he said he wouldn't, or something along those lines. All in all, I just hope the Foundation team(aka the Lore Team) makes a damn good job with writing up good and rich new bios for these five champs. I've given more than plenty of content to work with.
: I cannot upvote this enough. Supports & junglers are always the targets of blame when the team falls behind, but jungling is convoluted since it was reworked into a minigame. Anyways, yeah I feel your pain; I'd rather make sure the enemy dies than escapes, it gives both of you more time to get a level advantage and possibly chunk their turret. I don't play carry often (as my aim sucks ^^; ) but I don't mind when my support gets the kill, because it still removes enemy pressure. Top & support are my preferred rolls, but I don't play as much as I used to; mostly from the increasing hostility over petty things such as these. The game is about taking the enemy base, not killing them; it just so happens that it's easier to take it when they're dead. But I've seen & played several games to success from being far behind.
The jungle is an entire subject in itself I still fail to understand... let alone go in. As for support KS'ing, I'm personnaly ok with it, I'd rather have our support get the kill and then we can get an objective without any contesting possible(like dragon, baron or a tower) than let the enemy jungler all-in and steal our 5th dragon or baron for his team. A neutral steal pisses me off incredibly more than a KS onto a champion... Except when the KS'er is/was a {{champion:11}}
: Very true, the amounts of hits/pulls/stuns that a supp takes for the team (*cough* the badly placed ADC's *cough*) cannot be counted, and the occasional ADC's who then say things such as "/All GG Supp can't dodge a pull" really don't help, but a supp's life is sacrifice, and sometimes that means putting up with a whiny 10 year old ADC for a half hour :P
What the ADC generally fails to see is that, if the support(which is by designed meant to be CC'd) isn't there to get pulled/stunned for the idiotic ADC, it's the backline who gets their faces melted to the ground. I mean, really, by definition, support means "complementing another's strengths by mitigating the weaknesses that are exposed and cannot be compensated for on it's own." I look at supports as the walls and the ADC as the roof. Ever seen a roof/ceiling without any walls? The answer is "no" because that's a floor. The ceiling needs walls and pillars to stay leveled across it's entire surface, just like a carry needs a support to keep tabs on nearby vision, enemy minions and champions, lane pressure, etc. I know the two concepts aren't even close but when you boil it down to the simplest parts, it makes sense. To me it does anyways.
: cant wait for them to update {{champion:35}} bios like its the laziest story ever... none knows why he exists or what he wants but people dont like him so hes in the league... come on
His bio is just.... there........ unlike in game, he's all over the place!!! So should be his bio... to a certain degree anyways.
KBingo (NA)
: Look at the entire champion page dude. The whole story is farther down the page.
the fact is, you have to go look for the whole story rather than have a juicy snippet of it in the client, like a lot of other champions have.
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