: It's literally the 6th line.
Copy and paste it. Are you dyslexic by chance?
: glad you see the light my brother. see you in the new season. you can add me on discord, i'll introduce you to my 50 other accounts :)
VoIdymort (EUW)
: your chatlogs say otherwise >Trayvon Martini: Please report my team Trayvon Martini: They're calling me "dumb whore" Trayvon Martini: "Autistic" Trayvon Martini: Its not about norms, they're being dicks Trayvon Martini: I ASKED ONE THING: Why didn't you heal brand Trayvon Martini: And that makes me toxic and they proceed to flame me Trayvon Martini: They're all grouped in que Trayvon Martini: lol Trayvon Martini: This is why the game is dead Trayvon Martini: Players like these Trayvon Martini: Incredibly toxic Trayvon Martini: Find a reason to take out their anger Trayvon Martini: online Trayvon Martini: And I have to deal with it Trayvon Martini: And the opposite team hates me for no reason Trayvon Martini: When all my complaints are alid Trayvon Martini: Just end. Trayvon Martini: They want me to play after flaming the crap out of me Trayvon Martini: I asked one question Trayvon Martini: And I get flamed by their squad Trayvon Martini: Im not trolling Trayvon Martini: They're just flaming Trayvon Martini: me for no reason Trayvon Martini: Because I asked why brand didnt heal Trayvon Martini: his buddies instantly raged over Keyboard "DUDE SHUT UP HE DIDNT HEAL BECAUSEH E DIDNT WANT TO" Trayvon Martini: Do u want to Trayvon Martini: call me Trayvon Martini: on discord? Trayvon Martini: you should see some of the stuff they say Trayvon Martini: You wouldnt want to play either Trayvon Martini: i hope u guys know im not the one doing /ff Trayvon Martini: but u said u were holding me hostage Trayvon Martini: implying iw as the one doing it Trayvon Martini: the reason im not aying anything Trayvon Martini: is because Trayvon Martini: I dont want to get chat banned again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXiAayQ8KRA >Trayvon Martini: I dont want to get chat banned again it's ok. you weren't ;)
LOL you pulled all that up, but NONE of it I was harassing anyone lol. It was a discussion. Nice try. but none of it was harassment. You literally linked my chat log back to me and told me I was harassing people. Okay buddy. And great way to show that you're toxic yourself. The people on here are more toxic than anything I said in both the games. 10/10. Moral Highground destroyed.
: >Trayvon Martini: sigh Trayvon Martini: You were so far back Trayvon Martini: not u Trayvon Martini: u fuck ... Trayvon Martini: still feeding Trayvon Martini: kek Trayvon Martini: 1v1 after Trayvon Martini: Asks for mid and then feeds Trayvon Martini: lol Trayvon Martini: too bad ur silver Ahh yes, I see you meant "fuck u" in the positive, helpful way. I also like when you say your mid is feeding and use their rank to disparage them while you are clearly inting.
Where did I say "fuck u"? Now you're making up my logs. It's banter, he was saying I had the easiest ADC in the game and was still feeding.
: >It's called probability. The chances of someone downvoting at the exact same time yet leaving no comment is low. You come home to find your dog next to poop. What happened? Your dog pooped in the house? Well, you don't know that. A dog could've snuck in and pooped on your carpet and left. You're not psychic. It's called uncertainty. The chances of someone downvoting at the exact same time yet leaving no comment is unknown, as there is no reliable sample data. There are many people who downvote without comment, and those who do. Without any data to indicate exact probability, the best you can determine is a correlation rather than the cause. Which you should probably consider more so, considering all the downvotes people left and all the comments you are actively ignoring and arguing against. And no, your metaphor is shit. >You come home to find your dog next to poop. What happened? Your dog pooped in the house? Well, you don't know that. A dog could've snuck in and pooped on your carpet and left. You're not psychic. It would work better if... >You're at a dog park and suddenly find your dog next to poop. What happened? Your dog pooped in the dog park? Well, you don't know that. A dog could've pooped there and left. You're not psychic. The probability of a dog sneaking into your house to poop and then leaving is much, much lower than someone downvoting without a comment. Logical fallacy at best. >They have nothing to gain from it yet they're so adamant that I was being passive aggressive or I was intentionally feeding when I was not, but somehow they're convinced that I was. I could flip that on you, as you're not trying to consider anything that other people say. Good day, sir. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Yes but it doesn't take a genius or any sample data to do it. If we really boiled down to it and did it, we could really calculate it. We have a general idea. None of our justice systems would work in courts if we all replied on sample data and calculated everything formally. If he didn't downvote it, he would've said something. It's not that big of a deal. Why are you concentrating so much on it when chances are he probably did and if he didn't, oh well but due to his lack of response to my claim. I think he did. The end. > You're at a dog park and suddenly find your dog next to poop. What happened? Your dog pooped in the dog park? Well, you don't know that. A dog could've pooped there and left. You're not psychic. I'm going to reply to this the same way you did earlier. "It's called uncertainty. The chances of someone downvoting at the exact same time yet leaving no comment is unknown, as there is no reliable sample data. There are many people who downvote without comment, and those who do. Without any data to indicate exact probability, the best you can determine is a correlation rather than the cause." Yeah but I'm not making facts up. The point completely flew over your head. Your use of an a picture doesn't help you seem any more valid. It just makes it look like you're conceding the point.
: ***
You're right. System is broken. All these people on their high horses scrutinizing me after getting flamed. Tried being non-toxic but somehow they make up what I did. Say that I was harassing when I clearly wasn't. I'll wreak havoc next season, if you can't beat the flamers, join them because I sure as hell ain't going to convince these people that I didn't do anything wrong.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:15:10.163+0000) > > So I should be banned because I was getting told to kill myself, and in my response, I asked people to report them. > > Wow. Great system. Report Calling is not an offense. That isn't what anyone is saying. No one is saying what he said was ok, that being said, two wrongs don't make a right, that kind of stuff didn't work in elementary school, doesn't work in real life, doesn't work here. You getting flamed, mute, report, move on.
Calling for reports is bannable only when used as a tool for harassment. Which I wasn't doing.
VoIdymort (EUW)
: first of all report calling of the variety you displayed **is considered as harassment**. it's been stated numerous times on these boards by both the regulars, the volunteers and riot employees "If a player used asking for reports as a leaping off point for actual harassment, that's when we'd blow the whistle." -Riot NaKyle https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ohzEYmpm-report-calling-during-a-game-is-a-bannable-offense-dont-do-it which is what you did in these games secondly, report calling is meaningless. regardless if a player is reported by one other or the other 9 people in the game, it makes no difference to riot. regardless of the number of people who report you, riot only gets one notification to investigate your game. ONE. Subsequesnt reports do ***nothing***. they don't push the reported player to the top of the queue, they don't make a punishment more likely to happen. **THEY DO NOTHING** "Report calling is often a minor negative thing, but say there's a spectrum of chat where 1 is hyper-friendly, 5 is neutral, and 10 is literal death threats, this is like a 6." -Riot NaKyle
But I didn't use asking for reports as a leaping point for actual harassment. I was harassed so I called for report. I didn't use the reporting system to harass them. I was being flamed and told to kill myself.
: >The summoner's code says absolutely nothing about report calling. You want to bring the summoners code into this? Ok. >We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do. What did you do when brand didn't heal? Flame him relentlessly all game! >Keep a cool head if you fall behind, don't give up and always do your best. Did you do this? >Game1 Trayvon Martini: our support didnt come in Trayvon Martini: gg Trayvon Martini: idc anymore Trayvon Martini: ff at 15 ... Game2 Trayvon Martini: FF at 15 That's a no. You flame your team for small mistakes, you give up the minute you lose lane. If you don't see a problem with this that is your fault but you were clearly in the wrong here.
I didn't flame him relentlessly all game....why are you making stuff up? I did keep my head cool. All I said was FF at 15. I played my best rest of the game and didn't give up. I made that one comment. The comment didn't reflect my play style. I didn't flame my team. Notice you didn't pull up a single example where I flamed my team.
: >He was the first person to reply and it downvoted right as he did. Or someone else downvoted and left no comment at the same time. You're not psychic. You have no way to know. And it's not something to bitch about. Maybe listen to what people are saying and think *why* you're getting downvotes. If you don't understand at this point, then it's a lost cause.
They claim that I was being toxic by being passive aggressive meanwhile at the same time calling me stupid or delusional, things that are more inflammatory and toxic than anything I said in those two games. They don't want to begin to TRY to see eye to eye. They want to come in and punish, whether it's the power or satisfaction of screwing someone over, I do not know.
: >He was the first person to reply and it downvoted right as he did. Or someone else downvoted and left no comment at the same time. You're not psychic. You have no way to know. And it's not something to bitch about. Maybe listen to what people are saying and think *why* you're getting downvotes. If you don't understand at this point, then it's a lost cause.
It's called probability. The chances of someone downvoting at the exact same time yet leaving no comment is low. You come home to find your dog next to poop. What happened? Your dog pooped in the house? Well, you don't know that. A dog could've snuck in and pooped on your carpet and left. You're not psychic. You have no way of knowing. Their reasoning is flawed. Saying that it's a lost cause means that you fail to understand my point. The people here don't try to see eye or eye or even begin to understand. it's evident after dozens of comments and made assumptions about what I was saying and what I was doing that they want a negative outcome for me regardless of whether I did anything wrong. You can read through some of these. They make assumptions. "Well you were probably inting. Oh that? You were probably being passive-aggressive when you sent that. And that? Oh well you obviously said that in all-chat to trigger a reaction". They make these assumptions without context. It's clear that they're biased and want a certain outcome. It's confusing though as to why. Why assume the worse when no evidence of it is in the chat logs? They have nothing to gain from it yet they're so adamant that I was being passive aggressive or I was intentionally feeding when I was not, but somehow they're convinced that I was.
: >I don't understand why you would downvote. I don't recall him mentioning anything about downvotes.
He was the first person to reply and it downvoted right as he did. Doesn't take much to realize. But why is this relevant to you or the situation. I only stated it to him.
: But you are banned and not him, lol. You dont belong here.
What is that supposed to mean? Because Im banned, it's free game to be toxic to me? What?
: Trayvon Martini: Please report my team Trayvon Martini: They're calling me "dumb whore" Trayvon Martini: "Autistic" Trayvon Martini: Its not about norms, they're being dicks Trayvon Martini: I ASKED ONE THING: Why didn't you heal brand Trayvon Martini: And that makes me toxic and they proceed to flame me Trayvon Martini: They're all grouped in que So this wasnt in all chat?
I told the other team that I was being called dumb whore and autistic. Not about Brand and the healing. Which is what you stated, then you proceeded to backpedal into a separate issue I bought into all chat. They were shit talking me to all-chat, and I came out to defend myself "I wasn't inting. They're flaming me because I asked Brand why he didn't heal." This was way after the fact and had to do with me explaining the situation rather than the Brand not healing me. Context matters. My quote isn't proof for what you're claiming. The person saying that i was bringing up heal in All-Chat. This was way later and was me defending and explaining what happened after I was getting flamed by my team in all chat. My team was making claims that I was inting and I explained that I died because I wasn't healed. I wasn't complaining about Brand not healing to the other team.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000200010001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-26T02:51:26.643+0000) > > You keep on saying "harping" over it You have a predetermined notion that what I was saying was unjustified instead of facing the fact that he repeatedly did not use heal. I questioned it. That's not toxic. Several games ago, I didn't buy items when I backed. He asked why I didn't buy items. I explained i was saving a BF sword. Notice he wasn't reported, nor is it an offense. Now, that is fine, but this, this isn't necessary. Trayvon Martini: Existence is pain Trayvon Martini: You got hit by both Jhin and Lux Trayvon Martini: so it doesnt matter Trayvon Martini: I didnt flame tho Trayvon Martini: I asked why he didnt heal. I never called him a name or anything Trayvon Martini: I didnt flame Trayvon Martini: For the record Trayvon Martini: He still hasnt healed. ANd he said it's on purpose Trayvon Martini: And yet says Im the one thats inting Trayvon Martini: Yeah but if he healed we wouldve won though Trayvon Martini: He said he purposely didn't Trayvon Martini: we would have though... Trayvon Martini: it was pretty clear Trayvon Martini: You died to a brand auto afterwards Trayvon Martini: He didnt stop healing Trayvon Martini: He never healed to begin with Trayvon Martini: i wasnt toxic Here is you, continuing to complain about him not healing, why? > You're mixing the first and second games. Not really, in game one, you were flaming, in game two, you were being passive aggressive. >How do you determine what's passive aggressive or not? By using the textbook definition of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials. and making notes that is what you are doing to your allies. >You FEEL like it's passive aggressive because you have a predetermined notion of what's going on. Nothing is predetermined, I'm using what information I have, your logs, to state what you are doing, being passive aggressive. > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000200010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T02:42:30.913+0000) > > It wasn't in all chat.........more assumptions being made. > > You might as well come out and say that you personally want me banned regardless of what I did. Jesus. Trayvon Martini: Please report my team Trayvon Martini: They're calling me "dumb whore" Trayvon Martini: "Autistic" Trayvon Martini: Its not about norms, they're being dicks Trayvon Martini: I ASKED ONE THING: Why didn't you heal brand Trayvon Martini: And that makes me toxic and they proceed to flame me Trayvon Martini: They're all grouped in que Trayvon Martini: lol Trayvon Martini: This is why the game is dead Trayvon Martini: Players like these Trayvon Martini: Incredibly toxic So this wasn't said in all chat? Who were you talking to then?
> Asking why he didn't heal is fine, why did you then feel the need to continue asking why he didn't heal, bring up the past why he didn't heal, then take it to all chat that he didn't heal, for what possible purpose and means would that do anything for you at all? I told the other team that I was being called dumb whore and autistic. Not about Brand and the healing. Which is what you stated, then you proceeded to backpedal into a separate issue I bought into all chat. They were shit talking me to all-chat, and I came out to defend myself "I wasn't inting. They're flaming me because I asked Brand why he didn't heal." This was way after the fact and had to do with me explaining the situation rather than the Brand not healing me. Context matters. My quote isn't proof for what you're claiming.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000200010001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-26T02:51:26.643+0000) > > You keep on saying "harping" over it You have a predetermined notion that what I was saying was unjustified instead of facing the fact that he repeatedly did not use heal. I questioned it. That's not toxic. Several games ago, I didn't buy items when I backed. He asked why I didn't buy items. I explained i was saving a BF sword. Notice he wasn't reported, nor is it an offense. Now, that is fine, but this, this isn't necessary. Trayvon Martini: Existence is pain Trayvon Martini: You got hit by both Jhin and Lux Trayvon Martini: so it doesnt matter Trayvon Martini: I didnt flame tho Trayvon Martini: I asked why he didnt heal. I never called him a name or anything Trayvon Martini: I didnt flame Trayvon Martini: For the record Trayvon Martini: He still hasnt healed. ANd he said it's on purpose Trayvon Martini: And yet says Im the one thats inting Trayvon Martini: Yeah but if he healed we wouldve won though Trayvon Martini: He said he purposely didn't Trayvon Martini: we would have though... Trayvon Martini: it was pretty clear Trayvon Martini: You died to a brand auto afterwards Trayvon Martini: He didnt stop healing Trayvon Martini: He never healed to begin with Trayvon Martini: i wasnt toxic Here is you, continuing to complain about him not healing, why? > You're mixing the first and second games. Not really, in game one, you were flaming, in game two, you were being passive aggressive. >How do you determine what's passive aggressive or not? By using the textbook definition of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials. and making notes that is what you are doing to your allies. >You FEEL like it's passive aggressive because you have a predetermined notion of what's going on. Nothing is predetermined, I'm using what information I have, your logs, to state what you are doing, being passive aggressive. > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000200010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T02:42:30.913+0000) > > It wasn't in all chat.........more assumptions being made. > > You might as well come out and say that you personally want me banned regardless of what I did. Jesus. Trayvon Martini: Please report my team Trayvon Martini: They're calling me "dumb whore" Trayvon Martini: "Autistic" Trayvon Martini: Its not about norms, they're being dicks Trayvon Martini: I ASKED ONE THING: Why didn't you heal brand Trayvon Martini: And that makes me toxic and they proceed to flame me Trayvon Martini: They're all grouped in que Trayvon Martini: lol Trayvon Martini: This is why the game is dead Trayvon Martini: Players like these Trayvon Martini: Incredibly toxic So this wasn't said in all chat? Who were you talking to then?
This was to our teamates....his clan mate who were flaming me. We went in on a fight and we were neck to neck in HP and I died. One of their guys asked why I was feeding and I explained that he didn't use heal or else we would've won. That wasn't in all chat. Do you not realize that you're only seeing what I'M saying and that there's a lot of context not included? You know..MAYBE it would explain why I'm saying the stuff I'm saying is because we're discussing what happened? Because you know...communication is part of the game? I wasn't being passive-aggressive. You keep on using that term but you can't pinpoint where or say what. You can claim any statement is passive-aggressive. You continue to make assumptions. I keep on asking you to pinpoint what is passive aggressive but repeatedly you fail. > of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials. I didn't resist anything or any demands. I played the game. Posting the definition doesn't make it true. If I posted the definition of racism and accused you of it, it wouldn't automatically make you a racist. I wasn't procrastinating. I was playing the game like I was supposed to. It was a conversation. Again. YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT THEY'RE TYPING. IT'S NOT IN THE LOGS. Most of them were replies. Pull text in which I'm being passive-aggressive please. Holy shit. That last part was in all chat yes. But you were associating it with Brand not healing. I went into all chat to explain how my team was flaming me and defend against my team saying to report me.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0002000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:33:29.013+0000) > > I'll tell you again, I asked multiple times because MULTIPLE times he didn't use heal. > > Because when he told me that he was doing it on purpose, I wanted to explain that it wasn't my fault. Is that a bannable offense now? His team started flaming me almost immediately. No, harping on it for no reason on type of bringing it to all chat for no reason for no reason then to get a rise out of your team, because let's be honest, there is no reason to take that to all chat unless you were trying to piss off your team and this be passive aggressive on top of flaming which you did do in the first game is a bannable offense though.
You keep on saying "harping" over it You have a predetermined notion that what I was saying was unjustified instead of facing the fact that he repeatedly did not use heal. I questioned it. That's not toxic. Several games ago, I didn't buy items when I backed. He asked why I didn't buy items. I explained i was saving a BF sword. Notice he wasn't reported, nor is it an offense. You're mixing the first and second games. Again I wasn't being passive aggressive. You're forcing what you think of it to this. You're telling me what I was trying to do. I was not being passive aggressive. How do you determine what's passive aggressive or not? You FEEL like it's passive aggressive because you have a predetermined notion of what's going on. Let's not be too overzealous.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Now you're just embarassing yourself lol If you seriously refuse to see why you got banned, any new account you create won't last long. <REMOVED BY MODERATION>
Continued flames. Calling me stupid, now calling me delusional. What a great role-model. You don't belong here. What you've said here is numerous times more toxic than what I said in the game. Continue to pretend like you're being fair when you're a being a nasty individual who wants to see people banned on some false sense of self-righteousness. I hope that resentment gets you far in life.
Chermorg (NA)
: If someone repeatedly calls the cops on someone else, it can be harassment. If you continually call for reports and accuse others of negative behavior, it can be harassment.
The analogy of reporting is calling the cops, not telling someone to do it. Repeatedly telling someone to call the cops when you're being harassed and need assistance isn't harassment.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0002000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:33:29.013+0000) > > I&#x27;ll tell you again, I asked multiple times because MULTIPLE times he didn&#x27;t use heal. > > Because when he told me that he was doing it on purpose, I wanted to explain that it wasn&#x27;t my fault. Is that a bannable offense now? His team started flaming me almost immediately. No, harping on it for no reason on type of bringing it to all chat for no reason for no reason then to get a rise out of your team, because let's be honest, there is no reason to take that to all chat unless you were trying to piss off your team and this be passive aggressive on top of flaming which you did do in the first game is a bannable offense though.
It wasn't in all chat.........more assumptions being made. You might as well come out and say that you personally want me banned regardless of what I did. Jesus.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00020001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:22:44.065+0000) > > Really? Because he thinks being annoying was a factor. Yeah, he is saying that being passive aggressive is also a way. > I wasn&#x27;t being passive aggressive. You&#x27;re making an assumption of my tone. Overzealous. Once again. You have no reason to believe I was being passive aggressive. You can&#x27;t tell tone over text. You were though, you constantly harped about him not using heal, you then continued to type instead of not play the game, you then took it to all chat and continued to make remarks on him not using heal instead of not playing the game. Hell, why even take it to all chat in the first place. That would be like having a personal problem with someone then taking it to Facebook. How is then taking said conversation to all chat going to do anything besides make it easier for the opponents to win?
I'll tell you again, I asked multiple times because MULTIPLE times he didn't use heal. Because when he told me that he was doing it on purpose, I wanted to explain that it wasn't my fault. Is that a bannable offense now? His team started flaming me almost immediately.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:16:58.340+0000) > > AGAIN. It wasn&#x27;t a mistake. He said he did it on purpose later on. Because he didn&#x27;t heal 3 TIMES. I wasn&#x27;t harping over it. I was genuinely asking him why he wasn&#x27;t using heal for those encounters. > > Why don&#x27;t you believe that? Maybe he honestly thought it wasn't the best play or was tilted himself, to which I ask if he was being toxic and you know you were on the razor's edge for being banned, why even put yourself into a situation where it can even be interpreted as being toxic?
He stated in chat. That he did not. Heal. Just to mess with me. He typed. IN chat. What I did wasn't toxic. Toxic is meant to be a heavy term but has been watered down. Asking someone why they don't heal is a perfectly valid question.
Jamaree (NA)
: Well, I can see there is no point being here, you honesty believe you did nothing wrong at all, good luck on your next account.
You failed to bring any valid arguments. The summoner's code says absolutely nothing about report calling. You're arresting someone because they asked people to call the cops. Over-zealous. I hope you feel ful-filled. Those players go around flaming people and get away with it while you're here telling me I'm the most toxic player because I asked the opposite team to report them for calling people %%%s, dumb whores, and "taking people hostage". Thanks man. Just the type of people that sit here and wait for people to post their reports.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:06:28.333+0000) > > I am though. 2nd game. My nerves have improved massively. I try to use the report system instead of retaliating. I didn&#x27;t insult them once the entire time. You don&#x27;t have the context but I bet you would agree with me if you did. Why should what they say matter? You don't like what they say, you mute, and report. > I even stated that I didn&#x27;t want to say anything to him because I am going to get banned. Then why didn't you?
All I did was ask for the opposite team to help report. No one got their feelings hurt from it. It wasn't done as harassment. It isn't name calling. I wasn't disrupting the game. It's arresting someone because they asked people to call the cops. I DIDN'T say anything to my teammates. Did you actually read the 2nd game or are you just focused on getting me perma'd ad remove any chances of me getting an appeal?
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000200010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:12:33.234+0000) > > Being annoying? Seriously? My cousin is 14 and plays this game and he could be deemed annoying. Do you want to ban him too? Are we supposed to have a certain personality to play the game? You weren't banned for being annoying, you were banned for flaming as we can see in game one then being passive aggressive for no reason in game two
> Good thing flaming isn't the only way to be an annoying, toxic player.< Really? Because he thinks being annoying was a factor. I wasn't being passive aggressive. You're making an assumption of my tone. Overzealous. Once again. You have no reason to believe I was being passive aggressive. You can't tell tone over text.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: > I was the one being bullied by their clan. Not the other way around. Ah the good old "They started first"- excuse. Usually stops working once you reach elementary school. LOL
You didn't understand my comment. You're being reported for calling me stupid. That was uncalled for. I didn't say I retaliated because they started it. I said I was being bullied, and I wasn't bullying them. No where in there did i say they started it first and what I did was in response to counter-bully them.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:15:10.163+0000) > > So I should be banned because I was getting told to kill myself, and in my response, I asked people to report them. > > Wow. Great system. Report Calling is not an offense. That isn't what anyone is saying. No one is saying what he said was ok, that being said, two wrongs don't make a right, that kind of stuff didn't work in elementary school, doesn't work in real life, doesn't work here. You getting flamed, mute, report, move on.
No. That is what you're saying. Report Calling might've been annoying, but should I be banned after I was told to kill myself and asking for them to be reported. You're equating flaming and asking someone to take their own life to asking for someone to be reported
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:36:43.573+0000) > > How did I belittle them? Pull the part of the chat of the 2nd game. You can take the high ground but we&#x27;re all human dude. You were being passive aggressive and basically questioning your ally's competence. Like, there was no reason to constantly harp over their mistake over and over nor bring it up then continue to do so for no reason at all. Like, what were you hoping to obtain by saying why didn't you heal, you didn't heal etc etc over and over? > They flamed me non-stop because i died for trying a new role. I don't believe that, or don't believe they started it, and even if they did, why didn't you mute and just play? Wait, now that I think about it, if you are upset that they flamed you for not playing well, what right do you have to complain about other people's play, what if he was new to the champion or role?
AGAIN. It wasn't a mistake. He said he did it on purpose later on. Because he didn't heal 3 TIMES. I wasn't harping over it. I was genuinely asking him why he wasn't using heal for those encounters. Why don't you believe that? The difference of what I did was they admitted to not healing on purpose. A completely different situation.
: Report calling is an offense. One report triggers the system to review the game. It's like going to a restaurant and calling over the waiter/waitress, you only need 1 person to do it, not the whole table. And just because they were being toxic, doesn't justify your behaviour either.
So I should be banned because I was getting told to kill myself, and in my response, I asked people to report them. Wow. Great system. Report Calling is not an offense.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T01:01:09.371+0000) > > Yeah but this is my third chance and I didn&#x27;t do anything wrong this time. That&#x27;s the issue. But you did do something wrong, you flamed your allies, or are you saying that it is ok since they did the same to you?
I didn't flame them in the 2nd game. Post the quote where I flamed them. The worst thing I said was "FF@20" because I felt discouraged. I'm allowed to express that. I continued playing to the best of my ability.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Good thing flaming isn't the only way to be an annoying, toxic player.
Being annoying? Seriously? My cousin is 14 and plays this game and he could be deemed annoying. Do you want to ban him too? Are we supposed to have a certain personality to play the game? Over-zealous. You're being toxic right now by calling me annoying and toxic when it's outside of relevant discussion.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: > Because I wanted some reprecussion for them telling me to die dude. That's why I was calling for them to be banned That's why you report them after the game. And maybe you should have researched the ban system a little before crying for reports. Then you would have realized, that it's absolutely irrelevant if all 9 players report someone or just you. 1 report = 9 reports. Crying for reports is not just negative and against the rules, it's also absolutely useless. > They called me a dumb whore and a %%%. What do you want dude? Wouldn't you want them to be reported too? Yeah as I said. Report them then. If you can't handle them shittalking you just use the mute button .... > Report calling isn't toxic. Yes it is. This is what a Rioter said about report calling **Calling for others to report a player is a punishable offense. It is a form of bullying and as such is against the summoner code. It should always be a personal decision for each player as to whether or not they feel another player warrants a report. In fact, do feel free to tell your team mates that "report calling" in itself counts as harassment. Flaming and bullying a player will never help them to improve their game mechanics, communication etc** > Do you not see the conflicting principles? What's so hard to understand about my point? Don't be stupid on purpose now. Muting a toxic person doesn't fix the problem, that a toxic person continues to play the game. That's what bans are for. That's why you got banned bud. > That quote is taken out of context, it wasn't flame. Great. Even if it isn't, the entire chat log WITHOUT the insult is enough for your ban. You happy now?
I was the one being bullied by their clan. Not the other way around. Clearly, the rioter meant in instances where one person on the team attempts to get the opposite team to report their teamate. Now you're flaming me calling me stupid. Are you serious? What you said right there was worse than ANYTHING I said in EITHER of the games.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Yes. After getting the 14 day ban, the message you get explicitly states: > "If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended" I don't think the chat logs provided here are a good example of a sportsman like player trying to improve his behaviour. Right?
I am though. 2nd game. My nerves have improved massively. I try to use the report system instead of retaliating. I didn't insult them once the entire time. You don't have the context but I bet you would agree with me if you did. I even stated that I didn't want to say anything to him because I am going to get banned.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:52:03.787+0000) > > First off, I was trying to win the game throughout the entire thing. Check the match history. You&#x27;re assuming that I afk&#x27;d or became detrimental to the team, which is both false. > > Again, My focus is on the second game. Kayn was flaming me. He said I was feeding so I told him he was feeding. > > Report calling isn&#x27;t an offense. I was being called a dumb whore. Why can&#x27;t I ask the other team to help? Isn&#x27;t that what you&#x27;re doing? Helping process reports? Report calling doesn&#x27;t break anything in summoner&#x27;s code. > > The teamate didn&#x27;t make a mistake, he literally said &quot;I didn&#x27;t heal on purpose to fuck with you&quot;. > > Report calling isn&#x27;t an offense. > > Define being toxic. You&#x27;re using it so freely. Asking for people to report after someone tells you to die isn&#x27;t an offense. > > Again, I was trying a new role as ADC. My brand was trolling me. Thats why I performed badly. Talon literally one shotted me when I tried to farm. Its pointless. You simply dont know rules and refuse to accept that you broke them. Report calling is negative and against rules thus punishable. No wonder you escalated to this punishment level. You cant reform if you wont accept that u are being toxic even tho people in your games, riot and people on forum are telling you how you are toxic.
Pull up the rules where it says report calling after someone is telling you to die is a bannable offense. I think you don't know the rules. I think you're being overzealous. Pull up where it's breaking the code. That's such a blanket statement and I hope you can see the flaw. There are 3 people here telling me I shouldn't have been banned. You automatically assumed I was inting. You made so many assumptions on my in game behavior outside of chat. I don't know what motive you have to work against me.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zephromonia,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:38:58.784+0000) > > So being negative is enough to warrant being perma banned? Yes if you had 14 days ban in the past. That means u had 3 chances already to reform and you ignored them
Yeah but this is my third chance and I didn't do anything wrong this time. That's the issue.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: > They don't judge you fairly We only judge you by your chat logs. You're a rude, negative and annoying player. > I complained because they were all ganging up on me dude. Why did you complain. What did your complaining accomplish? What were you trying to do by bitching about your teammates in all chat? The only thing complaining did for you was get you a well deserved ban > By the "you could've muted them" logic, then why don't we let everyone be toxic and ask players to just mute them instead of banning them. You're supposed to mute toxic players anyway. I would have muted you the moment you started bitching. But that doesn't fix the problem now does it? Even if the toxic player is muted, he is still toxic. Riot doesn't want that. The community doesn't either. That's why you're banned. > I wasn't spamming. I was replying to what they were saying dude. They were saying the most abrasive things I've seen. So? Should have muted them and it would have been fine. You chose to retaliate. Look where that got you. You used chat waaaaaay more than you should have. And not for the intended purpose. > 3-4 people jumping onto you because they're all in a clan and ganging up on me. Mute, report, problem solved. > I didn't insult anyone. Trayvon Martini: You were so far back Trayvon Martini: not u Trayvon Martini: u fuck Hm?
Because I wanted some reprecussion for them telling me to die dude. That's why I was calling for them to be banned. They called me a dumb whore and a %%%. What do you want dude? Wouldn't you want them to be reported too? Calling people toxic doesn't make them toxic. If I continue to call you toxic, doesn't mean you're a toxic player. Please bring valid arguments. Report calling isn't toxic. Nothing I said in response to them was bannable offense. You're being overzealous. You're telling me to mute people as a solution but at the same time telling me that muting people isn't a solution for League of Legends. Do you not see the conflicting principles? That quote is taken out of context, it wasn't flame.
: Aside from having a generally unenjoyable personality, you understood the consequences of toxic behavior yet continued. This appears to be a justified ban.
Okay maybe I have an unenjoyable personality. How was I being toxic. What you responded to me with was the equivalent of you getting put into jail unjustly and then trying to appeal it and the cops replying with "Well thats what you get for being racist" When you haven't committed any racist acts.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:32:06.083+0000) > > You&#x27;ve never said FF at 15 before? Or &quot;I think we lost&quot;. Or &quot;I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;re going to win this one&quot;. Can you honestly tell me that saying FF at 15 once in a game is grounds to be banned? Its not just FF 15: Trayvon Martini: gg Trayvon Martini: idc anymore Trayvon Martini: ff at 15 This basically means "team you better surrender at 15 minutes, i dont care about game anymore, i wont be trying to win anymore" Trayvon Martini: playing most busted jg Trayvon Martini: still feeding Trayvon Martini: kek This is you obviously trying to provoke your jungler. Trayvon Martini: lol Trayvon Martini: too bad ur silver This is you mocking people for their rank Trayvon Martini: ppl like you too hard to carry Trayvon Martini: not my fault Humiliating teammates Trayvon Martini: please report them Report calling Trayvon Martini: GG Trayvon Martini: Why didnt u heal? Trayvon Martini: FF at 15 Again, your teammates made a mistake early game. Easy to recover from. Yet you are demoralizing team by saying stuff like this Trayvon Martini: Please report Brand Again, report calling. And you harassed Brand half game for not using his heal. Its HIS summoner spell. He can use it whenever he wants. And if he wants not to use it,its his choice. Its neither inting not against rules. Not to mention in game 2 your team pointed many times that you are being toxic and instead of accepting and apologizing you were being negative and defensive. And you kept pressuring opponents to report your teammates for pointing how u were toxic. Also i suspect you were inting in that game. 0:14 with 70 CS in 22 minutes as gold player is hardly "bad game".
First off, I was trying to win the game throughout the entire thing. Check the match history. You're assuming that I afk'd or became detrimental to the team, which is both false. Again, My focus is on the second game. Kayn was flaming me. He said I was feeding so I told him he was feeding. Report calling isn't an offense. I was being called a dumb whore. Why can't I ask the other team to help? Isn't that what you're doing? Helping process reports? Report calling doesn't break anything in summoner's code. The teamate didn't make a mistake, he literally said "I didn't heal on purpose to fuck with you". Report calling isn't an offense. Define being toxic. You're using it so freely. Asking for people to report after someone tells you to die isn't an offense. Again, I was trying a new role as ADC. My brand was trolling me. Thats why I performed badly. Talon literally one shotted me when I tried to farm.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:32:06.083+0000) > > You&#x27;ve never said FF at 15 before? Or &quot;I think we lost&quot;. Or &quot;I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;re going to win this one&quot;. Can you honestly tell me that saying FF at 15 once in a game is grounds to be banned? Yeah, I have said we lose, surrender at 15, I then don't go on to belittle my allies like you did.
How did I belittle them? Pull the part of the chat of the 2nd game. You can take the high ground but we're all human dude. They flamed me non-stop because i died for trying a new role.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Can't really tell if it's a 2 week suspension or a permanent ban. In any case the ban is well deserved. Even if we don't take the insults into account, all of this bitching, whining, complaining, belittling of your teammates, constantly giving up, the overall negativity, the report-calling and useless spam is absolutely enough for a punishment. You could have just muted them instantly, stopped using chat and none of this would have happened. You chose to break the rules and cry like a sissy girl. Well deserved punishment. Glad the system is working !
Lol. This place. The people here. They don't judge you fairly. They assume you're a terrible person. I complained because they were all ganging up on me dude. By the "you could've muted them" logic, then why don't we let everyone be toxic and ask players to just mute them instead of banning them. I wasn't spamming. I was replying to what they were saying dude. They were saying the most abrasive things I've seen. Just a little empathy man. 3-4 people jumping onto you because they're all in a clan and ganging up on me. I didn't insult anyone.
Xidphel (NA)
: You should both be punished.
You've never said FF at 15 before? Or "I think we lost". Or "I don't think we're going to win this one". Can you honestly tell me that saying FF at 15 once in a game is grounds to be banned?
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trayvon Martini,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qBolyR7m,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-26T00:26:32.738+0000) > > First one I said FF at 15 because we got rekt. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s toxic. > > Second one, I was tilted because Brand didn&#x27;t heal and said he didn&#x27;t do heal on purpose. > > I say FF at 15 in chats as jokes as well. Yes. It is toxic. You can initiate surrender at 15 and let people vote. Dont try to pressure them into it. You also called for reports which is toxic. Your chat is overall toxic.
Dude. Come on. I wish you can see what they were teliling me. I get it. You're replying to toxic people here all day but the stuff they were saying to me. I felt like crap dude. It's the first time I felt like crap. I knew I couldn't say anything back because I would get banned but I got banned anyways. Is FF@15 really that toxic? How much was I pressuring by saying it ONCE. I called for reports and you would too if you heard what they were saying to me. Come on dude.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: Question: Do you, every time u get rekt on lane, say FF15? Regardless of your teammates performance?
I don't understand why you would downvote. I should be perma'd because I said FF at 15? I didn't flame anyone. They called me "%%%" and called me a "dumb whore". But for some reason I get punished? Let's be fair.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: Question: Do you, every time u get rekt on lane, say FF15? Regardless of your teammates performance?
First one I said FF at 15 because we got rekt. I don't think it's toxic. Second one, I was tilted because Brand didn't heal and said he didn't do heal on purpose. I say FF at 15 in chats as jokes as well.
Rioter Comments
: get better at the game
Very constructive. I guess none of the champions or anything need to be changed anymore because we'll just get better at the game. Thanks, you're a genius. Running around telling people how much better EU is? Are you even from EU? Holy shit. I've never met anyone from EU that's so pretentious. Stop stroking your ego man.
: get better at the game
"this is why youre bronze" "wrong, na as a region is mechanically and decison wise inferior to asain teams and EU" "Youre an idiot? if the guy cant do anything he cant" "NA is garbage, soo you can wait" get over yourself and come back when you've actually got something good to say
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: Fix the Client...
Fix the game rito. Please.
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