: There Are Counters To Fizz. And Maybe With A Boot Slot You Will Have Enough Dmg To Defeat Him. Alot Of Champs Are Powerful But They Have That One Item Weaknness And Maybe Its Not In Your Build To Buy It. But With A Boot Slot Maybe You Can Get That Item And Start Countering Them
or you can just build the item that counters them, you don't need another slot to do that
: @Meddler, Boot Slot?
Reading your comments and posts with every word being capitalized gave me cancer
JARmates (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trick2g Wannabe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pkj9Gedl,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-14T18:29:20.815+0000) > > Ever thought that it is because you are bad? > > I'm sure that is what it is considering you write like a 2nd grader with severe down syndrome Not bad, tire. tire of poppy! I'll have you know I won the spelling bee!
Epic troll bro. 10/10. gr8 b8.
: > [{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O4gLAiqP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-14T18:18:25.474+0000) > > When has Pantheon ever been a good duelist? He loses all ins to basically any champ, the only way he wins is by throwing spears at you constantly and then you enter the fight with 10% hp. Why would you all in with Pantheon before you chucked enough spears at the enemy until you can win? Also his E can be used to poke as well. Most people don't even see it coming and tend to just walk right into it. He also has a shield that blocks autos, which help him win exchanges vs any auto reliant champ. Panth is a assassin, you don't all in until you get them low enough with your poke to where you know you will win. Just like every other assassin (Zed, Yasuo, Talon, etc....)
lol wut.... Zed talon and yasuo do not need to poke you down to kill you. Their raw burst post 6 is enough to kill any squishy. Pantheon does not have that. Post 6, pantheon isn't 100-0ing anyone. Build like an assassin and get raped in fights. Yasuo has infinite dashes Zed has two different blinks Talon has invisibility Pantheon has nothing. Build assassin, get raped before you get your damage off.
Tearaet (NA)
: I see it in the games I play. And I play a lot of Draven lol. Tbh I dont see how this can be a bad thing. If you can go for most of the game without dropping a single axe, why not reward us with a bit of extra AD?
Because he already is rewarded by having the highest damage output in the game. Draven has the highest sustained damage in the entire game and that is the reward for not dropping an axe. If draven has the same items as another ADC he will do more damage at any point in the game. There is no arguing this as it is a simple fact.
: Enough salt here to saturate the dead sea thrice over...
Great response. Well thought out. Another typical boards nub blinded by his main. Let me guess. Fiora and Yasuo are balanced too?
: NO. Nothing needs to be done. You know what destroys Cho'gath? RANGED CHAMPIONS WITH KITING CAPABILITES. By the way, if you want to complain about mechanics that have been out since Cho's release (what was that, SEASON 2?) you should do that somwhere else. In terms of ranged, kiting champions: {{champion:222}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}}
Simply stating that a champion has counters doesnt mean they dont need a nerf. Fiora has counters. Doesn't mean she isnt fucking ridiculous. Also your entire post became null when you insinuated that Darius pre-rework was balanced. Also, while those champions may be able to kite you. It only takes one Q to land for cho to instakill them. Don't play me with that bullshit "omg Q is so hard to land hurr durr" crap because the hitbox is gigantic. Also, it is kind of hard to dodge his Q when you are fucking silenced for 2.5 seconds. He runs into the same problem that Darius pre-rework did. Completely face fuck melee characters to the point that the game is completely unfun for the other player and then get rolled by ranged champions. But if either one got ahold of said ranged champion it was an automatic instakill. The difference between darius and cho is cho doesn't give a shit about your long range harass because his passive is fucking retarded. You can full cycle your abilties on him and he kills 5 minions and has full health. Stop being blind just because it is your main
Tearaet (NA)
: I just land 1 Q with Mf and do more damage then 2 aa from spinning axes. Cait can poke anyone out not just Draven Tristana hits w and can out trade him Vayne can just get condemn if he tries to engage The only viable ADC he can beat is Kalista. Unless the guy behind these champs is a potato he will lose not counting Support. He is not the bully he used to be while maintaining axes. Too much work for small payoff.
You should actually do the math here because that isn't true at all lol
: Don't. Start. Whatever this is.
2.5 second AOE silence 600-1000 true damage targetable nuke. Q with 1:1 Scaling Ratio Infinite lane sustain On top of having that insane ult it also can give him 900 free health for no reason Yeah dude, nothing needs to be done here. I mained tryndamere for a while and even I can tell when my main needed a nerf
Tearaet (NA)
: Draven Gameplay
Draven does the most damage out of any ADC in the game and that is still true after the marksman update
: That is a fourth of the champions, you must uninstall league now before you die
<tfw when telling people that are higher elo than you to uninstall
: TFW you say dumb shit like "give me aids" and you find out your HIV+ {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Fizz actually gave me cancer
: The Champs that make you cri
{{champion:103}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:157}} These are the champions that give me aids when I am against them
: "ADC Karthus is still overpowered. Mainly due to his ability to constantly proc trinity force."
These troll posts just get more and more obvious with each one I rate 5/10
: How do I beat a tank as an adc.
Use Attack-Move effectively
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: Still seeing Vayne too often
this gave me a good laugh mate thank you
Jamener (NA)
: RIP Old Poppy
Congratulations you figured out the entire idea behind a rework. Gold Star for you
: How do you deal with Jax
Play {{champion:150}} or {{champion:62}}
: Illaoi hits too hard, and has too little mana.
I've had enough hentai for one lifetime
: Silver 5 hue hue hue
Nice wordplay. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
: Silver 5 hue hue hue
Diamond means everything regardless of whether you are willing to work with your team. you don't get a special trophy for being in diamond for working with your team vs the guy who is in diamond and didn't. you are both still in diamond. I swear it is always low elos who are like "elo doesn't matter, rank doesn't matter, it doesn't mean you are better." Hilarious Sure if you had to choose between me and him on a team and you wanted to have fun you would choose him. If you wanted to win you would choose me. not everyone has to have a great attitude about the game, people are allowed to talk shit. Look at dyrus. He is a professional player and talks more shit about other players than anyone I have played with. Also thank you for confirming you are 13 by using "xD" seriously. Mommy says dinner is ready, better put your keyboard away. Even the "keyboard hero" needs his sustenance.
: you know, I was going to actually consider these true until you said that Riven beat Tryndamere, so i looked it up and what would you know. You are borderline bronze in silver 5. It all makes sense now You clearly know more about the game than I do. Im pretty sure i could take AP Zed jungle into that elo and stomp
Maybe you should go back to preschool and learn how to spell mate. Also, how can you state you have a second and third point when you didn't state you had a first point? Silver 2 is still garbage bud I think the correct term for what is going on here is called "mad cause bad" and you should "git gud"
: Silver 5 hue hue hue
I don't need to formulate a coherent argument. I am much higher elo than you are. Therefore I clearly know more about the game and how to apply it. This is like somebody with a 4 year degree in a field arguing with somebody that has a 6 year degree in it. you are bad at the game, therefore I don't care what you think is balanced and neither does Riot
Shyvauni (NA)
: 1) I notice how you bypassed my request for a link to an Illaoi thread a Red has posted in. Nice try with the distraction. 2) I have done it as Poppy, and in the past as Riven. Two he does not have to let me. I just play a very agressive poppy. Yeah later on he could still kill me (and die as well) but he was far from unstoppable. I have also in months past beaten hom with agresdive Renekton play. Seen a Shen beat him out as well as a Gnar. Unfortunately the gnar was on my enemies team and I was support that game. That gnar was scary as all hell.
you know, I was going to actually consider these true until you said that Riven beat Tryndamere, so i looked it up and what would you know. You are borderline bronze in silver 5. It all makes sense now You clearly know more about the game than I do. Im pretty sure i could take AP Zed jungle into that elo and stomp
Shyvauni (NA)
: Love how you just defined yourself with that post hue hue hue.
Silver 5 hue hue hue
: I would love to see red posts on Illaoi, if you're willing to link them. Stating a fact with no supporting evidence seems to be a little poorly thought out.
<makes post with 0 supporting evidence <claims a counter point has no supporting evidence <made the original claim in the first place and therefore holds the burden of proof <maximum kek
: Well GA rush is really questionable on anyone, even when you're behind. Against an AP panth, hexdrinker wouldn't be a bad idea. BV or SV might even be good if he's just so ahead that you don't think building damage will help you anymore.
As a tryndamere main, you rush {{item:3153}} in any matchup no matter what
Shyvauni (NA)
: Qoutes or links as I have read multiple threads and yet to see a Riot posting on it. And my reaction to Tryndamere is harrass him enough. Then when he is in or near my kill point. Stun + burst before he can ult. In fact I just beat a tryndamere that way the other day. And even if he got his ult off I just wai a sec or 2 and ignite.
Then you played a garbage tryndamere. You can't harrass him to the kill point because he will just Q spam heal all day with pots and warlords bloodlust. you wont push him out of lane. Also you are assuming that tryndamere is going to sit there and just let you harrass the hell out of him. Exactly what champion are you mystically doing this with? Also this strategy only works if the champion has a stun and as somebody who has thousands of tryndamere games i can tell you it doesnt even matter then.
: Top lane Match up. Looking for advice.
As a gold-Plat tryndamere main I'll go ahead and answer. I have to ask some questions first though. 1. What are your masteries? 2. What are your runes? 3. What was your build and in what order? 4. What ability did you max first second and third?
Shyvauni (NA)
: In otherwords adjust your playstyle. Even I stupidly play to her strengths. Draw her away from current tentacles and to about the middle of the lane between walls so she cant spawn new ones as easily and wallop on her.
There is some counterplay vs any champion. That does not mean they are balanced. For example I main a champion that has little counterplay. I main tryndamere. All i hear is "just kite him" E on literally no cooldown 4 second potent slow {{item:3153}} buys this Cant die for 6 seconds You can say whatever you want on paper but that doesn't mean it is actually applied to the game. Illaoi is not balanced right now and Riot has agreed with that on multiple threads
Shyvauni (NA)
: Considering I have won more games vs Illaoi than i have lost vs her... she has enough major drawbacks. She is fine as is
"I've won more games vs Illaoi than i have lost and that means she is balanced" Maximum kek
: > If darius builds damage, Riven nukes him before he gets his stacks. If he builds tanky, Darius can't do enough damage through her lifesteal and she will build armor pen anyways. Why not build both? {{item:3047}} {{item:1055}} {{item:1055}} {{item:3068}} {{item:3071}}
Still doesn't matter. Riven will just obliterate you at level 6. Riven does way to much damage before you can get your stacks off and she can just disengage from you whenever she wants. She can choose when to trade and when not to. Darius can't choose.
Ionian (EUW)
: To be at the same "skill level" at their champions, Riven would need to be like Plat if Darius was Silver. And in ranked that's not really going to happen.
Im gold 2 right now. If I played Riven and another Gold 2 played Darius. I would have the upper hand assuming no jungler help from either side. If darius builds damage, Riven nukes him before he gets his stacks. If he builds tanky, Darius can't do enough damage through her lifesteal and she will build armor pen anyways. also, Darius should never land his heal because every single time he goes to Q you, you E into him and trade with him. his Q does no damage on the hilt and doesn't heal and at that point Riven can engage, trade and disengage freely. Darius cannot.
: Yes, it is obvious, and yet here we are with everyone and their mother bitching like all of her abilities are point and click with infinite range.
They don't have to be. She is clearly way over powered and needs to be toned back.
Laraso (NA)
: I'm guessing you're one of those people who also thinks Darius is broken as well.
Considering I am a Darius main, I will say that He was more broken before the rework. He was the most broken he has ever been right after the rework but has toned down since then. He is still extremely strong. He isn't broken, but definitely a must ban in ranked games.
Ionian (EUW)
: Only if the Darius is bad. But it's impossible to be bad at Darius.
Laraso (NA)
: I mean if people used their brains it wouldn't be possible. Don't group up in close proximity to her. Disengage if she gets a good ult. Don't get hit by her E (easy), kill the tentacles (easy), and kite her (easy). She's pretty weak actually if people would bother to do that. Instead, people seem to deliberately choose to not do any of those things, and then whine about how overpowered she is after playing into all of her strengths.
I hate when people say this. "Just don't let the champion do stuff that the champion is supposed to do" "Don't let the champion hit his/her abilities" Yeah obviously bud
Laraso (NA)
: Illaoi
No champion should be able to get a triple kill 1 v 5 unless they are enormously fed.
: > [{quoted}](name=luck5962,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vp8mRcBH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-01T18:43:55.485+0000) > > Nasus has 0 poke lol > > Also, she directly counters people who want to CS. It is the same with yorick, sure you can get stacks off his ghouls but you will end up with less vs him because of how the ghouls zone you. Common sense really. Sure you can stack on tentacles, but you will be csing under your own tower all game and you will lose substantial health trying to do it Nasus has his E for poke. it can also be used to zone Illaoi in early game to gain stacks
LOL LOL LOL That ability does no damage at all. Are we building AP nasus now? lol I could give two shits if nasus E's me in lane ill stand directly on it, it does no damage. Its only use is for the armor shred. That isn't poke bud. I'm guessing bronze or silver?
: I believe our difference here in argument is you're seeing League of Legends as a laning game, and while that's one part of the entirety, it's a team game overall. I don't think playing around old Darius does not mean sitting under tower and not giving up kills, but more focus on farming and constant pressure top. Hopefully, I have just mentioned multiple lanes and strategies to beat Illaoi. This was not meant to be a post to discuss her broken potential, but tips to help players play successfully against her in lane and in game overall. Please respect the tips rather than belittle everything, just as I am trying with you :)
You literally wrote that she wasn't broken. I then wrote a post explaining why you were incorrect. You proved my point exactly. All other lane bullies like illaoi have lackluster team fighting. Great examples of these are tryndamere, old Darius, yorick, Etc. So you are right, it is a team game so why does illaoi get the best of being a lane bully and team fighter? Also, I have 2000 ranked games on old Darius. The only strategy against him in lane besides being ranged is to not CS unless you are under tower. One Q at level 1 was over 1/4 of your HP. However Darius had to be literally humping your leg to do any of his damage. Illaoi does not. Sitting under tower isn't even a viable strategy because she can pull a part of you out from under it and still beat your skull in. Every character has champs who can bear to lane against them or can survive. That is common knowledge. Illaoi has a lot less than other champions and sacrifices nothing besides mobility for the ability to be strong at all phases of the game and to have heimerdinger on steroids zoning potential.
Ionian (EUW)
: Step 1 - Pick Garen/Nasus/Malphite/Darius Step 2 - Stack armor Step 3 - zzzzzzzzzz Step 4 - Riven is useless.
: I've asked everyone I know, but not a single proper answer to show for it.
{{champion:86}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:106}} You are welcome
: He can have that but his E has a retardedly low cd
Sure but considering the damage portion of the ability is technically a skillshot, i dont really have a problem with that
: > [{quoted}](name=luck5962,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vp8mRcBH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-01T17:56:40.886+0000) > > This is all great; however, it just simply is not true. > > Go through all of my comments and posts and you will see that I rarely ever have complained about a champion. I have had 3 posts in 5 years about broken champions and those were Patch 1.2 heimerdinger, ekko release, and Diana's release. > > With that being said Illaoi is broken. She is 10x more furstrating to lane against than heimerdinger and heimer usually lanes against ranged champions. I have played this game since Beta and I honestly don't think I have ever played against a more annoying champion and that is saying something if I am putting her above pre rework darius or ekko release. > > Every champion obviously has counters but the sheer amount of champions she counters is unbelievable. If you don't pick the same 2 or 3 champs against her every game it is over for you. I can't even cs under turret without getting hentai mouth fucked every time I walk up for CS. It is some next level Heimer bullshit. > > You are riding the euphoria of the new release and enjoying how easy it is to win with her and not noticing how broken she is. I main tryndamere and even I can admit when my champion is broken (IE Warlords Bloodlust release). > > Illaoi could have a balanced kit sure but not with the raw damage that she has now with the absolute ridiculous zoning potential she has. She gets one or the other. Not both. It is the same reason Darius was reworked. Nobody liked having to lose 3/4 of your HP bar just to walk up and get CS. > > Also let me remind you win rate does not determine the strength of a champion ESPECIALLY on release. Lee Sin sits at one of the worst win rates in all of league and he is consistently a top jungler. > > Also another thing. Simply telling people to "respect a champions potential" and to play around their strengths is a horrible argument. That is literally the definition of toxicity. I will use old darius as an example. Playing around old Darius meant sitting under tower and not giving him kills. Therefore, he automatically wins lane just because he is Darius. That isn't balance and the person sitting under tower all game isn't having any fun at all. Illaoi is the same way. Her counterplay is simply get zoned by her and simply dont engage, therefore she automatically wins lane. That may be ok if she had a horrible late game but she doesnt. She has amazing scaling ratios and is a team fight monster. Basically she gets to auto win lane and still be a late game beast. At least old Darius had a trash late game. > > One of those needs to go. Either they nerf her zoning potential in lane or nerf her scaling ratios on her abilities. To thing she is balanced in any way is completely absurd. > > Also before you say "oh it is just because you got stomped by an illaoi", know that I have actually done pretty well vs her but the resaon for that is that I main top and I duo always with a jungler main so she gets hard camped. > > Illaoi is not balanced. Great kit idea, but way way too strong Surprisingly, an outstanding counter to her is Nasus. FREE FARM EVERYWHEEEERRREEEEE STACKKSSS EVEEERRRRYYYYYWHEEEERRREEEE KILLLLLLLLLSSSSS EVERYWHERRRRREEEEEEEEE he has poke to counter hers, sustain to counter her poke, his Q gains stacks off her passive, and his wither can punish if she comes out of her turf (Or if nasus kills all the tentacles) Plus, if he has to go into her turf, his ult is nice :)
Nasus has 0 poke lol Also, she directly counters people who want to CS. It is the same with yorick, sure you can get stacks off his ghouls but you will end up with less vs him because of how the ghouls zone you. Common sense really. Sure you can stack on tentacles, but you will be csing under your own tower all game and you will lose substantial health trying to do it
Rioter Comments
Nooraww (EUW)
: FIZZ
An assassin who can do his job after you feed him 3 kills. Weird
: When Should Top Roam
Play {{champion:23}} Never Group Only Split push Melt Towers Win Games Climb Elo Easy
: Tips on Beating Illaoi
This is all great; however, it just simply is not true. Go through all of my comments and posts and you will see that I rarely ever have complained about a champion. I have had 3 posts in 5 years about broken champions and those were Patch 1.2 heimerdinger, ekko release, and Diana's release. With that being said Illaoi is broken. She is 10x more furstrating to lane against than heimerdinger and heimer usually lanes against ranged champions. I have played this game since Beta and I honestly don't think I have ever played against a more annoying champion and that is saying something if I am putting her above pre rework darius or ekko release. Every champion obviously has counters but the sheer amount of champions she counters is unbelievable. If you don't pick the same 2 or 3 champs against her every game it is over for you. I can't even cs under turret without getting hentai mouth fucked every time I walk up for CS. It is some next level Heimer bullshit. You are riding the euphoria of the new release and enjoying how easy it is to win with her and not noticing how broken she is. I main tryndamere and even I can admit when my champion is broken (IE Warlords Bloodlust release). Illaoi could have a balanced kit sure but not with the raw damage that she has now with the absolute ridiculous zoning potential she has. She gets one or the other. Not both. It is the same reason Darius was reworked. Nobody liked having to lose 3/4 of your HP bar just to walk up and get CS. Also let me remind you win rate does not determine the strength of a champion ESPECIALLY on release. Lee Sin sits at one of the worst win rates in all of league and he is consistently a top jungler. Also another thing. Simply telling people to "respect a champions potential" and to play around their strengths is a horrible argument. That is literally the definition of toxicity. I will use old darius as an example. Playing around old Darius meant sitting under tower and not giving him kills. Therefore, he automatically wins lane just because he is Darius. That isn't balance and the person sitting under tower all game isn't having any fun at all. Illaoi is the same way. Her counterplay is simply get zoned by her and simply dont engage, therefore she automatically wins lane. That may be ok if she had a horrible late game but she doesnt. She has amazing scaling ratios and is a team fight monster. Basically she gets to auto win lane and still be a late game beast. At least old Darius had a trash late game. One of those needs to go. Either they nerf her zoning potential in lane or nerf her scaling ratios on her abilities. To thing she is balanced in any way is completely absurd. Also before you say "oh it is just because you got stomped by an illaoi", know that I have actually done pretty well vs her but the resaon for that is that I main top and I duo always with a jungler main so she gets hard camped. Illaoi is not balanced. Great kit idea, but way way too strong
: All this New META talk...
Duo top as historically been a horrible strategy. The only reason they know how to do this in the LCS and diamond is that while they duo top with an ADC and support against their top laner, they also take all camps on that side and the support roams. Allowing them to maintain the same level as the other top laner. Lower elos have no idea how to do this so it wouldnt work. Duo any lane against a single laner is almost always a bad idea as that person will just sit under tower and CS and out level you all game. Duo top is something you do when you are first learning the game. Not in serious play. lol.gg says duo top has a 43 percent win rate. Duo mid is at 37 percent. And any game without a jungler is 37 percent as well. It doesn't work
FostXTV (EUNE)
: Do not touch Azir or Rumble!
Rumble is not hard to play mate
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