: The main issue I take with Yuumi's treatment is that they're claiming it's a buff for anyone that's not a pro. A nerf is a nerf... they nerfed the champion at the highest level and we're supposed to cheer in the lower levels of play. Lmfao. Passive buffed. Q, clearly nerfed in two ways. W, clearly nerfed in two ways and technically buffed in one that was offset by previous builds. Just nerfed. E, Buffed in healing strength and movement speed length, nerfed in mana cost, and no second charge. The old Q had 2 second movement speed starting at 25% and decaying, with two stacks that could be popped to make plays thru carry movement or your own. That was also more useful than one 3 second 15% movement buff at a time. At the end of the day, Yuumi was unarguably nerfed. Period. I had a high winrate on Yuumi. I wouldn't take her into ranked this season at all in her current state, but would play her on blind occasionally.
> [{quoted}](name=Zenturian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lgu6eIYn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-15T20:02:34.005+0000) > > The main issue I take with Yuumi's treatment is that they're claiming it's a buff for anyone that's not a pro. A nerf is a nerf... they nerfed the champion at the highest level and we're supposed to cheer in the lower levels of play. Lmfao. > > Passive buffed. Q, clearly nerfed in two ways. W, clearly nerfed in two ways and technically buffed in one that was offset by previous builds. Just nerfed. E, Buffed in healing strength and movement speed length, nerfed in mana cost, and no second charge. The old Q had 2 second movement speed starting at 25% and decaying, with two stacks that could be popped to make plays thru carry movement or your own. That was also more useful than one 3 second 15% movement buff at a time. > > At the end of the day, Yuumi was unarguably nerfed. Period. I had a high winrate on Yuumi. I wouldn't take her into ranked this season at all in her current state, but would play her on blind occasionally. There's less incentive to move between allies when you can only heal one person, and her new W means you can't help idiots anymore with shield e and zip back to safety, so you're more than ever dependent on your team not making bad choices/positioning well.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:05:45.534+0000) > > Ever heard of Akali, Ryze, Azir, Sejuani etc etc. you mean the champions who were broken, got gutted so their wr dropped and then got buffed again? yea i heard of them. whats your point in bringing them up though. Yuumi released over 6 months ago and was in a trash state for 5 months and counting.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:36:33.805+0000) > > you mean the champions who were broken, got gutted so their wr dropped and then got buffed again? yea i heard of them. whats your point in bringing them up though. > > Yuumi released over 6 months ago and was in a trash state for 5 months and counting. Their high winrates on high elo players who main the champion also show that these champs are more impactful and have a high skill ceiling. Yuumi on the other hand... negative winrate even with sweaty tryhards is an issue.
BBKong (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3wqvr7KV,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:30:43.654+0000) > > Current Yuumi has a 40% overall winrate and the elo with the best Yuumis has a 48% winrate. > Also, I won't need the mana when I have Athene's + Idol. Okay? Winrates have absolutely NOTHING to do with how fun or unfun a champ is to play against. You'll need the mana *less* when you have athenes + idol, but her mana cost on E is grossly high now (to make up for charges lost). You might still need it, especially if you're just spamming your abilities like current Yuumi does. Even if you don't, the horror that makes her the most unfun of laning phase is over by then, so I really couldn't care less.
> [{quoted}](name=BBKong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3wqvr7KV,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:36:26.036+0000) > > Okay? Winrates have absolutely NOTHING to do with how fun or unfun a champ is to play against. > > You'll need the mana *less* when you have athenes + idol, but her mana costs are grossly high now. You might still need it, especially if you're just spamming your abilities like current Yuumi does. Even if you don't, the horror that makes her the most unfun of laning phase is over by then, so I really couldn't care less. Even as she is now, a competent Yuumi hops off in laning phase to take some heat for their ADC and get some autos in during trades. If people can't take advantage of that window, that's their problem. If a Yuumi never hops off during laning phase, that in itself is an issue, and the Yuumi's playstyle isn't good. It's like the people who played fountain Soraka pre-coin removal. That, if anything, was even more uninteractive than Yuumi, and it still works to a lesser degree with the relic changes. I suspect Yuumi players will also rush Lost Chapter more than ever now to cope with the mana costs, but overall it doesn't give much of an incentive to hop off during teamfights.
BBKong (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3wqvr7KV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:22:30.629+0000) > > I'm literally not going to hop off. > If the choice is between potentially getting my ass CC'd and dying vs. a bonus 50 mana when all my spells cost 85+ mana, the risk isn't worth the reward. I'll sit nice and tight on my Veigar with the buffed W scaling, TYVM. Then you won't have sustained mana to use E or Q for your allies. That's the entire point of the change - she either hops off more and does more for the team with that extra mana (since she'll now run out very quickly) and shielding, or hops off less and is less useful. Risk, reward. Either you're 100% safe and are a glorified item, or you have useful spells but with a little risk. At least, that's the intention, and I hope that's how it turns out, because current Yuumi is stupid.
> [{quoted}](name=BBKong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3wqvr7KV,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:28:41.925+0000) > > Then you won't have sustained mana to use E or Q for your allies. That's the entire point of the change - she either hops off more and does more for the team with that extra mana (since she'll now run out very quickly) and shielding, or hops off less and is less useful. Risk, reward. Either you're 100% safe and are a glorified item, or you have useful spells but with a little risk. At least, that's the intention, and I hope that's how it turns out, because current Yuumi is stupid. Current Yuumi has a 40% overall winrate and the elo with the best Yuumis has a 48% winrate. Also, I won't need the mana when I have Athene's + Idol.
Aamano (NA)
: Why are you getting rid of Yummi teleport?
I'm fine with Yuumi being perma banned in LCS if it means she can stay 40% winrate and untouched so Riot can't fuck her up even more for the rest of us. Power to the people!
Mahoh (NA)
: Here comes her pick rate falling to single digits.
> [{quoted}](name=Mahoh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:20:56.576+0000) > > Here comes her pick rate falling to single digits. It's already 3%
: Makes her worse in soloq, possibly better in the LCS where they can take better advantage of her E(by both having better communication and picking around it) but most importantly makes her less enjoyable/worse to play.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3wqvr7KV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-03T02:57:56.469+0000) > > Makes her worse in soloq, possibly better in the LCS where they can take better advantage of her E(by both having better communication and picking around it) but most importantly makes her less enjoyable/worse to play. I'm literally not going to hop off. If the choice is between potentially getting my ass CC'd and dying vs. a bonus 50 mana when all my spells cost 85+ mana, the risk isn't worth the reward. I'll sit nice and tight on my Veigar with the buffed W scaling, TYVM.
Infernape (EUW)
: >Also, her winrate is at 40%. That is not the winrate of something broken. Frustrating to lane against? Sure. But her winrate shows she doesn't have as much agency over games as people like to pretend she does. Ever heard of Akali, Ryze, Azir, Sejuani etc etc.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:05:45.534+0000) > > Ever heard of Akali, Ryze, Azir, Sejuani etc etc. None of them are at that low of a winrate. Also, if their winrates are below 50, that means either they have high skill caps, or they don't have that much influence over the game overall. In scenario 1, we can look at Yuumi's best winrate according to LoLalytics, which places her at D3, where the highest winrate is 48%. Now we look at Akali's, which places her at D1, where the best winrate is 57%. Ryze: D1, 57%. Sej: D3, 55%. Azir: D3, 57%. So if even tryhard high elo Yuumi mains can't boost Yuumi to a 50% winrate compared to these other "broken but low winrate champions", does that not say something about her being weaker than the average champion, even with a frustrating kit?
: how is an untargetable, unkillable champion healthy for the game whatsoever? she is untouchable lategame when there are constantly allies around her and not to mention she deals way too much damage for a champion that you cant even deal damage to?
> [{quoted}](name=Mister Wrinkly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:04:17.548+0000) > > how is an untargetable, unkillable champion healthy for the game whatsoever? she is untouchable lategame when there are constantly allies around her and not to mention she deals way too much damage for a champion that you cant even deal damage to? https://champion.gg/champion/Yuumi/Support Average damage dealt isn't too bad. Also, if she was unhealthy for the game and she did an incredible amount of damage, would her winrate not be higher? Why would she have the lowest winrate in-game? As for her untargetability, it also means she can't absorb any damage for her team. Assuming she hops off to absorb damage, the moment she did, anyone with point-and-click CC could fuck her up, as it'd follow her even as she attaches onto an ally, and cancel her W anyways. She's also hella squishy, so late game two or three abilities suffice to kill her. The new changes just encourage her to stay on allies even more than she already is, because of how vulnerable detaching makes her, and how they buffed the scaling on her W. Riot just changed her into a portable item.
: yes, thats the point
> [{quoted}](name=Mister Wrinkly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPHNPtsi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-03T04:01:10.603+0000) > > yes, thats the point The point was to balance her for regular players, not to annihilate her relevance.
Rioter Comments
: No problem! Sorry if my comment came off as hostile! I didn't mean for it to be but you know how boards people can be :">
> [{quoted}](name=AES Kitsune,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=WwF2eqoO,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T02:57:51.795+0000) > > No problem! Sorry if my comment came off as hostile! I didn't mean for it to be but you know how boards people can be :"> Nah, thanks for telling me. I got hella confused at some of the upvotes on some posts.
Molleh (NA)
: lol jesus, I didn't even know, but I'm not one of those boards people ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Molleh,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=WwF2eqoO,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-12-03T03:14:57.068+0000) > > lol jesus, I didn't even know, but I'm not one of those boards people ;) Dank stream tho
: There's upvote/downvote bots crawling all over the boards right now just saying. A lot of people including the mods have noticed it and they've been here for a few days already,,,
> [{quoted}](name=AES Kitsune,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=WwF2eqoO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T02:55:58.049+0000) > > There's upvote/downvote bots crawling all over the boards right now just saying. A lot of people including the mods have noticed it and they've been here for a few days already,,, Ah, sorry. I wasn't too invested in boards for the past few weeks.
Molleh (NA)
: Friends, league, and fun!
25 upvotes in 30 mins is sus...
: Just don't accept any of them. They are phishing bots trying to get your username/password.
> [{quoted}](name=UltimateShield13,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mEHvkgjc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-01T19:20:04.681+0000) > > Just don't accept any of them. They are phishing bots trying to get your username/password. Ah shit, do they get it when you accept the friend request?
Kamakas (EUW)
: Do you think this should warrant a permanent ban?
Did you have prior punishments? Also, it's possible your game was flagged. I was in a four man and my friend called me a %%%% and got a chat restriction, even though it was in team chat and no one in the party reported him.
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Manxxom (NA)
: Thank you riot.
Love this skin. One of the best Hextech ones imo.
: PBE dodgers
Remember the disastrous patch where everyone got the black screen of death, some champs had infinite stuns and people just couldn't log on? PBE is buggy as hell, and meant to find these bugs. Wouldn't make sense to punish players for programming glitches/bugs.
: is my friend delusional??
Reminder that ranks were inflated this season so by all rights he'd be silver :D
: Add setting to remove Elemental Rift Effects.
Have you tried turning graphics to very low and removing eye candy+effects? It increased my frames by like 5-10, 30 fps better than nothing :,) Mac user btw
Dolfro (EUNE)
: Strategy gameplay is constantly decline in our game and that's a bad sign.
Literally jumped from silver to plat by abusing S tier champions. It's honestly all about team comp, and what champs you're playing. I've seen diamond and master Azir, Yuumi and Karma mains get shit on by low elo players playing shit like {{champion:114}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:23}}
: Support Item Changes Were Almost Entirely Horrible
Falling behind as supp rn is the worst feeling. You're entirely reliant on your team getting kills and objectives once you finish your supp item.
: So as predicted senna is tier 1 on release, are we gonna nerf her oppressiveness yet?
I feel like they should change her starting range to 550. No need for 600, plenty of enchanter supports are able to poke at 550.
Rewt (NA)
: Elder Dragon Execute proccing off DOT's (and itsself) Is like....... Why.
Players: Pls Rito dmg too high Rito: Ok we hear u we lisen to plaers Also Rito: *Adds execute on drakes* *Cloud drakes now grant ult CD cause we miss URF* *ASSASSIN ITEMS EVERYWHERE* *Removes coin and adds AP and AD to support items for some aggressive ass laning phases down bot* *-4 AD on Garen spin tho just to show we care*
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pAgJay (NA)
: Unfair chat ban, Thoughts or anyway to help?
I feel like you shouldn't have been punished, nothing too bad. Just a pop-up warning would've been fine.
: I wanted to post a thank you
: I made it to Platinum!! (First time)
Congrats! I personally don't think low plat is too different from gold, other than you having at least one player each game being an arrogant fuckwad who thinks he or she is Faker reborn. As for high plat, you'll definitely notice that people have better map awareness and rotations, and four or five man ganks on bot lane are pretty common, from the few days my MMR was that high. Also lots of sick team fights, people get caught less often.
: Your Client F'd my Promos to Plat
I seriously feel bad for people who crash during promos. I literally only won my gold promos because two people on the enemy failed to reconnect and a third guy's game kept derping out. I played like dogshit that game and should not have won.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gLAVmvMB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-15T23:33:14.450+0000) > > I'd say maybe half of the people who go on the outer layers of the deep web are probably just there out of curiosity, for some black market stuff and the like. > Don't worry too much about it, if you feel very worried you can contact non-emergency 911. I plan to but I will need some form of evidence to support the claim otherwise I fear they will take the issue less seriously than it might need to be taken. Thank you for the feedback though!
> [{quoted}](name=Pervy Mage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gLAVmvMB,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-15T23:42:37.247+0000) > > I plan to but I will need some form of evidence to support the claim otherwise I fear they will take the issue less seriously than it might need to be taken. Thank you for the feedback though! Ask Rito to pull up chat transcripts. Stay safe!
: Death Threats holding substance
I'd say maybe half of the people who go on the outer layers of the deep web are probably just there out of curiosity, for some black market stuff and the like. Don't worry too much about it, if you feel very worried you can contact non-emergency 911.
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: Were you guys playing on the mac client?
> [{quoted}](name=Yautja wannabe,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=AU9ImPkE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-11T16:43:32.994+0000) > > Were you guys playing on the mac client? I was on Mac, he was on Windows.
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AdamrCc (EUW)
: The elder dragon execute outright invalidates champions such as Warwick and Olaf.
{{champion:30}} + {{item:3151}} ult straight up gonna execute someone at 1.5k hp lmfao
: Please Make it Easier to get Chests
It used to be that we'd have too many chests and no keys Now it's reversed because of honor xD Opened 30~ chests that accumulated over a year, now I'm just waiting for the time to use 20 keys ;w;
: What Legendary Skin did you get
: What Do YOU Want Karma to Become?
GIVE US ASSASSIN KARMA /s
: So can we get back scaling / late game / slower paced meta?
Late game champs like {{champion:157}} can beat your ass in during first ten minutes thanks to bullshit like conqueror and eletrocute. I say runes are a major issue, and the lack of defensive items vs true damage
Kalimonxo (EUW)
: i made a bad guy (billie eilish) cover with bard's sfx
Vanlash (NA)
: PLEASE someone anyone from riot help me.
RIOT SENPAI NOTICE THIS THREAD PLEASE
: Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the Anniversary Gifts Riot is giving us?
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duvey (NA)
: If you legitimately believe that anything in this is ban worthy, you are 100% the problem with modern gaming culture and should never play video games with other people ever. You are a toxic cesspool where any valid criticism is met with rage and bawling tears that you just can't bear to hear from your teammates when you're playing the game poorly. Also, I'm a software engineer and I study machine learning, and the worst possible tasks for machine learning to tackle is contextual analysis, where a machine tries to identify the "intent" of a phrase or word. They're bad at it. Horrible. Absolutely dogshit and almost malicious in their intent. It's the reason why bots should never be banning people in any game ever.
> [{quoted}](name=duvey,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uGX9Qnt5,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-10-19T20:05:44.616+0000) > > If you legitimately believe that anything in this is ban worthy, you are 100% the problem with modern gaming culture and should never play video games with other people ever. > > You are a toxic cesspool where any valid criticism is met with rage and bawling tears that you just can't bear to hear from your teammates when you're playing the game poorly. This comment would get you a chat restrict minimum. You can't flame people and expect to remain unpunished, or for other people to not get upset at you when you're calling them names.
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