: Teamfight Tactics-- /Dev Update: Your Feedback and the Road Ahead
: > [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=ipwxyzot,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-02T09:48:19.348+0000) > > 3star T1 champs are what wins games. > its stupid. > Game is over by phase2, doesnt matter what team comp u build you cant do anything about the 3stars facerolling you. > > i guess if you complete glacial you have a chance, but thats about it. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-bBMNuUcAARer4.jpg:large This just got patched in. Minimum once higher tiers are available the tier 1 droprate is down by 3-5%. Its pretty negligible to the results of T1 showing up but the fact T2/3 show up now it means that power rolling for 3* is less reliable. And frankly what you're saying just isn't true. Tier 1s are significantly weaker than Tier 3/4, you might not have perfect synergy while drafting them but a Draven 2* will beat a stacked Vayne 3* as long as he's protected well every time. A lot of those comps can be bullied by Sejuani, Gnar, or Asol easiliy. Assassins like Akali, Katarina, Evelynn, and Rengar can easily be fit into a comp to delete teams. The game is not over just because someone starts out with more luck than you. Spatulas become easier to get from behind and enable more units or finished synergies. Tier3/4/5 end up countering them. If your early comp sucks then you have little risk to sell the whole thing to try something different and transition. Honestly the first few rounds don't determine games other than if someone is showered in items while you have 1-2 components, that pretty much guarantees if you get into top 4 you will never beat that person.
-5 on t1 and +5 on t3 is way different than just -5. learn to do math please.
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PalPlays (NA)
: Do you ever have "that" game that makes you want to cry?
Weird, I just had a game where my client bugged and took pred on yi and I said "sorry guys my client bugged and I couldn't change runes, but I will be alright," ourcait types "well..." and leaves the game. I say, "so we wanna ff 15?" and everyone says yes. So we all run around doing jack all until 15 and i put up the ff vote. someone declined. I say "I thought we were going to ff at 15?" and this when our thresh (duo with the adc btw) said "i voted yes must have been this yi" I said "i started the vote buddy, it is fine we can wait til 20 I suppose." I didn't mute him because I wanted to see how far he would go. The next 5 minutes I was told in graphic detail how rich he was and how much of low life scum I was, how worthless I was because I didn't gank bot for him in a 4v5 ( i did and we got 2 kills) and then explained vividly how I should, and the methods I should use to rape my mother. All the while, no one has said anything in chat. Post game rolls around and he keeps going on, I said "yikes looks like this guy won't be playing much longer" and 3 people in post game say "im not going to report him, not his fault" as he continues to explain how my tongue is to be inserted into my mother's orifices. I am shocked by two things. One, other players said they didn't think he did anything wrong, and two, that it was awfully weird how this is the first time they have ever said something like this in chat on this game, because surely they would have been permabanned by now if they had done it before.
: /mute all is not a solution
/mute the guy telling you to off yourself while jerking is to ur mums fat smelly p**** because surely this is the first time they have ever said something like that in chat.
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: If you int just because of a few minions, especially if it's 3-6 times, I'm going to report you.
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Porocles (NA)
: Let's be real here, it's clearly a *murder of Teemos.*
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Porocles (NA)
: If this is an older PBE account, you may need to create a new one since sign ups have changed. The [PBE signup page](https://pbesignup.na.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/pbe) should allow you to create a new account. If that doesn't help, fill out an [account recovery form](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=72416) and our account team can locate the account and see what happened.
Can you give me insight on how it took almost 4 years for them to disable that account? They said it was because it was "legacy" and made before 1025/2013, but it took 4 years for them to disable it....
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 27
This is kind of a 3 part question for Mr. Meddler and/or any other Rioters involved in development and balance changes, but let me preface it with the following: You guys have always been quick to fix things that are ridiculous since the OG 5x tiamat change going on through League of Cleavers, League of ADuskblade Carries, and now the Galio situation. My first question is, why do we separate balance changes and the pbe? By this I mean, it is really funny to have a beta environment when potentially massive changes as simple as a champion's scaling or w.e is going to be tested in house then shipped to live during the regular ranked season. It seems that there is and never has been any consideration of balance taken from the Beta. This includes cleaver and duskblade etc. My second question is actually in relation to the HP bars changes. When it was first announced I had asked if there was any testing done with colorblind mode, as in the past CB has been largely ignored even with it affecting many pro players. It is apparent that it was not tested in the slightest with that setting turned on throughout the entire development stage. Hopefully it won't be ignored with reports from PBE. Lastly, my third question really ties a majority of this post together. Why does it seem that PBE is just a "does it make the game stop working" environment as opposed to a place for all changes to be tested and looked at. Since the start of this cycle and every cycle I have been on previously, it seems 90% of the bugs, VFX issues, and balance issues are completely ignored, even with hundreds of posts on them, until the patch hits live and then it is "we have disable 13 champions, 24 skins, and 2 items as well as many client features due to some random unknown bugs." To me, the only issues ever addressed on PBE are "does this make the client crash" or "does this make the server/game crash." I hope this is wrong when it comes to pushing the preseason patch to live. I still see many issues that have been present since day 1 that are still not addressed and will likely be modified during preseason. I honestly hope that the CB HP bars issues are not one of those things.
Rayven (NA)
: Preseason Healthbar Update
Has any/all of this been ran through the colorblind mode? I play on CB just because it makes things a lot more obvious in a clustered setting and I would hate to see it deployed without taking that into consideration.
: Keybinding Command's for Funny quotes /enter /input phrase of choice /enter Boom you just made a keybinding (its not really that simple, but it also isn't that hard) Youtube for a bit and you'll get some It's spam, but I mean could be worth the effort and risk
Yeah my plan was to use ahk or py to pull from a file of quotes and just pick one at random to enter into the chat. I know you can't ctrl v in game and IDK what their limit is on inputs/second for chat as it would have to be pretty fast in order to not affect my gameplay.
Drugoth (NA)
: In that email, the Rioter implies that you've been consistently toxic though...
If you mean "the chat linked shows a consistency" portions, yes. I guess the part where I said "idiot" was fine, but the part where I said "xD" man that was just way over the limit.
Drugoth (NA)
: I don't know man, it sounds _really_ unbelievable to me that you said "idiot" once and it was enough for a chat ban xD. Can you show me the logs? I'm curious now.
I don't have the logs anymore, but I do have the email from support. http://prntscr.com/h1iolp
Jo0o (NA)
: As hilarious as that would be, I'm pretty sure macros are a blanket no-no for this game. Sorry.
No, the ToS says "use at your own risk" as long as they do not automate game play. This is why I am asking.
: Yes it is. You know what else is fun too? Playing another game for a few hours to cool off. Trust me, weekday ranked games are just... awful. Not sure why, but the trolls man, it's when they thrive.
M 26 live at home, i like the darkness XD rawr my gf lives in the Philippines and I send her money every week. That seems to be the ranked population weekdays and weekends after 4pm. lol
Drugoth (NA)
: If your story is true, it's gotta be an extremely rare case. Were you punished at all before it for anything though? The instant feedback only gives you the pop up if your report was the last straw and triggered the punishment.
Yeah it was the first time I was ever punished on the account.
Drugoth (NA)
: No, there is no weighting of any reports at all. Riot tends to collect a few games of reports against a player first before punishing. Notice how most times someone is punished there are logs for more than one game included? So all reports eventually build up to punishments, but not all reports directly trigger one. Pretty sure you're just see coincidence here and attributing it some kind of value.
I was restricted after one game, one set of chat logs and it was for one line where I said "idiot xD" bc anivia said she doesn't care if we lose bc i didn't give her blue... so you are wrong on that part. And there should be ZERO "ramp up" on reports for things like someone running down mid spamming "nigggas" (3 g's so it doesn't trigger the no no word bot). Also, does instant feedback always inform you if you report and someone is punished or is it just sometimes?
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: i understand man. my smurf got a chat restriction for 10 games never have it had any sort of punishment before. wheres my warning for that account? nope didnt get one .no warnings just stripped my rewards from me. riot really is dropping the ball here.{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
restrictions don't lose end of season rewards, only bans do. As long as you finish those 10 games before the end of the season you will be okay, you will have to re-earn any honor you had though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Flocks of Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=islzEAY8,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-10-22T16:40:10.349+0000) > > The entire problem with this system can be summed up in one response from Riot support. http://prntscr.com/h0kevi I mean, if they are unbanning people because they got held hostage/tricked/baited..or w/e term you would like to use....then they need to go back and unban a ton of accounts. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/OeZ3ipZB-got-a-14-day-suspension-by-a-teammate-on-purpose?comment=000700000000000000010000000300010000
Exactly. There is no difference between saying "call them %%%%%%s or I will feed" and intentionally being majorly disruptive while spamming "where's my blue."
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flocks of Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gU3LjMAM,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2017-10-23T00:08:56.541+0000) > > I remember when ADC could build phantom IE botrk LW and QSS and could auto a tank for 20 seconds then die. Let's not go back to the short range adc with no dmg other than physical dmg. Yes, a time when 1.2 attack speed and 200AD was the norm.
yeah, not as fun as phantom phantom blood thirster vayne though :(
: Well, while damage doesn't combine, the _way_ it is dealt does. You don't do RFC and Shiv's damage to a single target, but you _do_ get the range of RFC to apply Shiv.
Unless you hit a tower, then you get the RFC dmg
: Rapid Firecannon and Statikk Shiv need the Hydra treatment
I remember when ADC could build phantom IE botrk LW and QSS and could auto a tank for 20 seconds then die. Let's not go back to the short range adc with no dmg other than physical dmg.
Drugoth (NA)
: Okay, sure. However, a player could also just go on hiatus of his own accord. So, using match history as a means to determine if someone has been punished is still flawed. Besides, having that much of a vendetta against a player just because they ruined a game for you seems unhealthy. I'm not defending trolling, mind. Justice will, eventually be served.
I only looked at it after I got the email from support where they told me he was being majorly disruptive and told me "we can't divulge any punishment unless it's instant feedback."
Chermorg (NA)
: Further, it is more than possible you slightly misspelled the player's name typing it in. Or the case just hasn't been manually reviewed yet.
I copy paste straight from my match history and even took the time to find the game where they did it. Riot reviews, promptly, every report (also only need one report because "they don't stack") and it has been 3 weeks. The email from support I was told "I see he was majorly disruptive..." so it was either ignored because "you got reported for verbal so you're report doesn't matter" or some other reason.
Chermorg (NA)
: You have no clue if the troll was or was not punished.
The stance they take on majorly disruptive behavior is - never - a warning. Whether it is using the nono words or being majorly disruptive, it is an instant 14 day ban, so if the player had played games every day since then, they were not punished.
Haras (EUW)
: To why I recivied a ban? (Help)
I am throwing an upvote your way, I don't see anything in here that is even chat restriction level.
Drugoth (NA)
: Did you read my post? I explained the situation. Yes, it is harder for the current system to detect gameplay trolling, but that doesn't excuse adding to the negative experience with flame. You guys that are getting nailed by the system for flaming trolls are ignoring the #1 rule of the internet, which is don't feed the trolls. You can sit there and blame trolls and Riot for your own actions all you want until the end of time, but we all still see the truth: You let yourself get played.
The difference is I didn't say something like "kys fucking retard" I said "your following me around my jungle taking my camps so we lose just because I didnt give you blue while I was behind? idiot xD"
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Drugoth (NA)
: Before accusing Riot of encouraging gameplay trolling, consider the following...
1000000% incorrect, support even told me so. http://prntscr.com/h0kevi The player they told me they could see was "trolling" was never punished (looking at op.gg and match history) and then another game I had a blitz run down mid and I was restricted for promoting a negative atmosphere for typing "9x blitz int ty" and yet that blitz was never punished. This is a load of sewer water and anyone who believes that they care more about game quality than "bad words hurting my emotions" is kidding themselves.
: Riot's Ban system
The entire problem with this system can be summed up in one response from Riot support. http://prntscr.com/h0kevi
: i love seeing posts like these. provides counter to the BS narrative going around that the system is working great. somehow we're supposed to believe the official narrative that this extreme speech policing system is endorsed by over 90% of the player base lmao
and that only < 10% of players ever get a chat restriction HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ulanopo (NA)
: That feels like a lot of projection. My point, which you seem to have ignored and replaced with your own, was that the purpose of the board is to provide help. If people are responding to requests for help in a way that is off-putting to the querent, then those people may stop seeking help, much in the same way people say, "I don't bother voting because they're not going to listen to me anyhow."
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point. Just as I agreed with the part of your post that pointed out the incessant "lol u deserve ban xD" comments are irrelevant and detrimental to promoting a positive community. I just felt like the "down voting" part was a little much.
: Getting baited into lashing out, or raging at people is completely different than someone specifically telling you that you are REQUIRED to say SPECIFIC zero tolerance phrases or they will feed.
I had a game where an anivia followed me around my jungle while I was behind and DEMANDED that I give her my buffs. When I said "ur stupid" I was restricted, lost honor, lost rewards, and put into the "escalation system." When I opened a ticket support told me (and I can send you the emails): "The basis of this chat restriction is that while I can see that this person was doing their best to tilt you, You were still taking the time to respond negatively to that person. Even though what they were doing was wrong, that still doesn't give you the right to be negative towards that person." Coupled with the good 'ol classic: "Know that each player is held responsible for their own actions, so If players are flaming you or being offensive, it's never beneficial to respond to them with flame, whether it's in self-defense or if it's out of frustration. It's always best to mute toxic players and report them in the post game lobby, so you don't get disciplined as well." So if someone says "call the enemy team a bunch of %%%%%%s or I int" and I say "/all you are all a bunch of %%%%%%s" it is okay, but if I say "no you're an idiot" I get banned? Good to know mate.
Modi (NA)
: Welcome to ARAM! It's quite an interesting dynamic in ARAM. While there are a large number of negative players, there are an equally large number of positive players. The important thing is to not feel the fire, as things can describe into chaos pretty quickly. I hope your next games go better. Good luck!
haha yeah. It seems to be polar opposites. I will have one game thats a 40 minute back and forth with over 100 kills and everyone is all "gg wp that was fun" and then the next game is first blood at 6 minutes "open mid fucking retard apes die of aids."
Ulanopo (NA)
: >If someone feels "judged" and victimized because they were downvoted, they do not need to be in a public setting or playing this game. I'm going to be honest, the complete lack of empathy for or understanding of others evidenced by this statement makes it difficult to provide a productive response. I'm going to have to sleep on it.
My point was that everyone can have their own opinions, and if me having one that is different than yours upsets you to the point where you feel victimized by me down voting a post, you have some serious mental health issues you need to work on.
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Ulanopo (NA)
: A request from Ulanopo
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Al06MTV6,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-21T15:00:56.823+0000) > Likewise, reflexively downvoting threads where the ban was justified doesn&amp;#039;t do any good. While it might be feedback of a sort, it&amp;#039;s more likely to make them feel they&amp;#039;re being judged rather than helped. It would be better to reserve your downvote for things that you actually find objectionable. I am sorry, but that comment right there is what is wrong with this whole system. It is okay (support told me) to intentionally try to ruin someone's game but if you say a word that breaks their soft little heart you are immediately wrong. If someone feels "judged" and victimized because they were downvoted, they do not need to be in a public setting or playing this game. For god's sake, Riot added emote spamming and mastery spamming then says "please don't say yasuo going 1v5 bc 'im a legend' is --- trigger incoming --- stupid" is TOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXIC. What does toxic even mean? Clearly "toxic" is not being used in relation to "making the community a bad place" because streamers will vocally say things like "wtf this kid is shit "is this kid fucking retarded" "holy cow these kids suck" but if you use the inbuilt chat function to say something like "no this isn't my firs time mid, is it your first time jungling?" or "9x blitz int bc he didnt get to play eve" is considered an abomination of public behavior. I really hate to use the term "snow flake" because people are entitled to their emotions and opinions, but give me a break. Somehow when someone asks "how do we keep losing fights" you are the toxic one for saying "because you guys keep going in 2v5" or "I told you no and you still leave lane to try and take my blue // now you're following me around taking my camps // you trying to lose? // idiot"somehow you are a bad person now. I guess that's it for my rant and if you think I am "blowing this out of the water" please tell me anything you would say in chat and I can tell you how "I" would find it offensive and toxic. I bet you won't be able to show me why chat shouldn't be permanently disabled when 90% of the time riot says "it's fine just mute everyone and lose your game, at least then you won't be restricted or banned."
: Getting baited into lashing out, or raging at people is completely different than someone specifically telling you that you are REQUIRED to say SPECIFIC zero tolerance phrases or they will feed.
What about getting a 10 game for saying "9x blitz int" when he runs down mid for 20 minutes straight?
: That account isn't even the same as this one? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
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: If you report via a support ticket, they cannot disclose any information on what actions they may or may not take against the reported account. Now, if you are in promos; why dodge? If it is going to count as a loss, may as well play it and see if something happens. Worse case, you lose and report the inter after game.
While losing from inactivity doesn't grant a free win in the next attempt, it does leave you 1 win of lp away from re-entering it. Whereas losing 2 promo games leaves you between 60 and 75 lp.
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