Rioter Comments
Terozu (NA)
: Soo uhhhh... I'm a guy, but I surprising know how it feels to have these insults thrown at me. I mostly play support champs and am very optimistic. I get called an egirl a _lot_. And honestly, it might feel bad but people shouldn't stick up for you. That can get them in trouble if they fall for the bait. Muting him is 100% the best way to go even if it feels bad. Either that, or DO chew him out in the silliest way you can think of. Oh and asking for reports doesnt do anything. Just fyi. its binary, not accumulative.
When I play Soraka and guys think I'm an egirl I either go along with it and type uwus and <3s in all my chats. ~~You'd be surprised how often this happens considering my username is decidedly not feminine~~ Or I ignore them. Less fun but it's easier to keep up. Especially if a lot of hectic stuff is going on.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Spirits can become solid though, I mean otherwise their attacks wouldn't be able to hurt you if they just passed right through you. And we've seen already undead spirits like Hecarim to be able to trample their victims, which wouldn't be possible if they had no mass at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kEiUWAAA,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-17T01:58:59.926+0000) > > Mary Sues are an inherently bad thing *because* they negatively affect stakes in storytelling. It's a symptom of bad writing, making your character powerful enough to simply rise above circumstances or problems in the plot without suffering or dealing with consequences. The reason they are common is because there are a lot of novice writers. > > The reason it is bad, is because people cannot relate to somebody handling every problem that comes their way without worry or trouble. It damages stakes in this case because you know that getting stuck in Thresh's lantern isn't as bad as we thought previously, and Senna just *happening* to get cursed by the black mist means that she's now immune to shadow island creature's tactics now. > > Legends are not inherently Mary Sues. Mary Sues are legends with no problems. Well written legends have problems, grow as a person, and then overcome them. That simple rule of thumb makes compelling main characters. Note I said main characters because background characters don't really need all that, they just need enough info for you to know what their deal is while they perform their role in the story. Actually getting stuck there is like hell but Senna's curse and her ability to use the mist makes her the exception.
My main issue is how arbitrarily Senna gets this ability to not care about getting stuck in the lantern. I will give it the credit that Senna didn't have a story so retconning her was impossible. I will however say that the solution they gave her to survive is contrived. A better solution is to reuse a mechanic that was already in Runeterra to avoid the worst of the black mists, namely the water of the blessed isles. It's what keeps Yorick somewhat whole, and since the Purifiers hail from the blessed isles it isn't crazy to think they have a vial or two. This also solves the issue of why Senna is special in that she has the mists within her as the only thing she has to fight the mists, while other entities like Kalista and Hecarim don't get full bodies, despite having enough control over the mists to maintain their individuality. The blessed waters could be that missing ingredient. That's how I'd write it, anyway. Adding more connections between elements we already have.
rollz3 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aucsgAa0,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-17T13:14:44.749+0000) > If you have seen my username before, it'd be there. Been on that specific one for probably half a decade or so now lol
I remember now. Last year I had a Soraka rp account and you were one of the folks on my thread.
rollz3 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aucsgAa0,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-10-17T12:17:39.363+0000) > Hmmm the Blessed Waters idea is an interesting idea, and would have a better reason to explain why she didn't become a normal undead. Only fault I can see is that we don't know of the spring said waters came from is still usable due to corruption but I'm sure they could hand wave that she found a vial somewhere or was a gift from someone as it'd be hard to believe that _all_ of it gone unless stated otherwise. If we did a what if scenario, she could have hypothetically drank said blessed water before she died which prevented her from full succumbing to the Mists. Not a perfect fix since people could question why Yorick didn't just drink his own amount but again could be justified that he didn't know what would happen if he did, other then healing properties which was touched upon briefly in his story Last Rites, and for Senna a act of desperation before she died. Wouldn't fix all her issues but I do like the idea none the less.
That makes sense to me. A small snag is giving her a way to drink it before he killed her. Maybe when Lucian rushes ahead to fight Thresh she drinks the water as a precaution, then sacs herself. What she expected was an instant heal but she got a spawn timer. Also, your username's very familiar. I could have sworn I know you from the RP board.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Honestly I didn't even mean that in the sense of "love saved Senna from getting sucked back into the lantern", I meant that Lucian just being there and physically holding her could have been enough of a justification for her not going back.
That works until you think of Senna as a spirit, which means that Lucian shouldn't be able to hold her physically. If anything the force of the lantern would cause her to break up into a mist again and then get pulled in. But idk.
: Lunari champs name is Aphelios. Voyboy leaked it by accident. Aphelios is a cosmological term for when an object is the furthest point in its' orbit from the sun or something like that which thematically fits a devoted Lunari.
Neat, Diana's getting a moon friend.
rollz3 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aucsgAa0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-17T01:53:08.724+0000) > I'm going to have to politely disagree with you on this, but I will say that we did not know what would happen ,until recently, if Thresh's lantern got shattered though this is far from my biggest gripe. So to start, since she officially died and was dead for six years (Lucian was released in 2013 so lets assume timeline wise it took 6 years until she was freed) it justifies her 'special status' by saying she was cursed by the Mist or as the lore put it **"Mysteriously drawn to her"** which we were given NO indication of prior till now. Not in Lucian's old lore, Not in Thresh's, not even in supplemental material such as Shadow of Fortune and just seemed to be hamfisted in there to make her "special" and one could argue that not even Lucian knew about her "Curse" until they said **"Yet as Lucian’s love for Senna grew, so did his desire to save her from her curse. In time, it became his only focus"** which they COULD have foreshadowed with a single line of dialog in-game or a single sentence in his lore (before they rewrote his and thresh's so it could fit HER and only HER) and her curse bringing her back to life (Which i guess explains why she didn't get sucked back in but they didn't really explain _what_ her curse does let alone powerful enough to give her back a physical body so to me seems like an ass pull) How that works I don't know besides 'magic i don't gotta explain shit' but it still seems like an 'lol just go with it' reason to explain why she isn't a ghost/disembodied soul. Her also lore states that she explored her prison, which only works _now_ because they defanged Thresh's lantern by changing it from a torture dungeon to a glorified fish bowl, and _somehow_ figured out how the Black Mists was because she just so happened to stumble across the souls who knew how it was created and just so happened to be sane enough to tell her. Rather convenient don't you think? Also how convenient that Thresh, for some ungodly reason, decided to place the remnants of his enemies weapons inside the lantern as well and that she could also make it into a weapon somehow that could kill darkness....with.....darkness...... and she just so happened to make it without Thresh noticing until the very moment she escaped or if she only made it WHEN she escaped how did you know it would even work when she got out? _____ I know this is getting long but bare with me here as I get into some more nitty gritty detail So continuing on, Senna only exists by breaking the lore of two champions (Lucian and Thresh) and the Black Mist to fit her which I touched upon earlier in my rant. Both Thresh and Lucian had their lores changed after Senna was announced and normally this wouldn't be an issue as riot has done so in the past with....mixed results but not as brazen as this since their massive lore rework a couple years back. Thresh's lantern was specifically stated where souls used to be tortured and driven mad (this can still be seen in his The Collection story) but was changed to where souls are simply forced to watch him murder and collect more people which is a massive step down from eternal torment and seemed to be only done to explain why she hasn't gone insane or isn't a pile of beef jerky. In Lucian's, her soul was stated as thus **"Nothing could bring her back. Senna was lost, and for the first time, Lucian faced his mission alone."** Quite a shift in tone I must say and only done to fit her in from what I can tell. Not to mention Thresh just _let them go_, Riot couldn't be bothered to say he was wounded and had to retreat like he did in Shadow of Fortune he just decided to let one of his prized souls, a soul of his most persistent enemy's wife none the less, get away scot-free **"Intrigued by the obvious strength of their mortal bond, he has decided to allow them this small and insignificant victory, knowing all too well that the game of light and shadow they all play is still far from over…"** I find it hard to believe that Thresh of all beings would just let one of his souls go just because his lantern got temporary shattered and would have at least attempted to get her back or claim Lucian at worst since he had him on the ropes in the video. I also dislike how they made the 'Ruined King' the guy who controls the Black Mist where it seemed to be that it was a force of nature that those tainted by it rode upon when it spilled forth while stronger undead could manifest without it. ____ Ok time to summarize my final thoughts on Senna Senna is a coupled together bunch of plot holes and tries to fit into a circle hole like a square peg but instead o trying to fit seamlessly in she simply cut the corners in to fit regardless of the damage to characters or locations as a result. She robbed Lucian of his motivation and anger, along with him having to cope with the loss of his partner, She robbed Thresh of what made him scary. She ripped off Yorick's 'use the Mist to fight the Mist' as well as his goal to find and kill the Ruined King and liberally copy pasted most of Kai'sa's lore as well. And I would have forgiven most of this, or at least been kinder, if she ended up looking like Kalista or Yorick (to give a better indication that she is tainted by the Black Mists) and evil/insane from the torture she was subjected to but if i had to choose, I'd preferably undead as it would give Lucian more depth as he'd have to eventually put her down to get rid of every last undead possible where as right now the worst she has is glowing green eyes (and lets be real its not very uncommon in the league universe). Those two changes wouldn't fix all her problems but I felt it would be better then what we got and if i tried to I'd probably take another page long post to do it justice. Also, I'm sorry if I am came off angry in this but Senna single handedly butchered one of my favorite characters and locations and Riot's past few lore dumps have left a bitter taste in my mouth lately Edit: Links to [Thresh's](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Thresh/History#2nd) and [Lucian's](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Lucian/History) old lore
It's totes fine, I agree with you more than you think. I care a lot about consistency in storytelling as I'm a writer. I want to improve my craft so I look for examples to learn from, both on what to do and what not to do. You don't really seem angry, just passionate. I agree with most of your points, to me the largest unnecessary change is making Thresh's lantern no longer torture the souls inside. If you changed that line back to torture, and kept everything the same, Thresh would be mostly undamaged by this. I don't expect either him or Lucian to know what would happen if you shatter the lantern, but what's completely bizzare is that Senna breaks most of the rules of shadow island champs by being able to keep something resembling her original body after death. While Senna didn't have a character before and thus you can give her any backstory you want to fit the story you want to give her later on, making her randomly be cursed by the black mists seems very arbitrary. I think that a better fix for this would be to make use of the blessed water, as we have already established with Yorick that blessed water is one of the only things that keeps you somewhat whole on the islands. Why make another solution to the problem when you can reuse your solution, am I right? And yeah making Thresh wounded from the encounter would have been better. In Riot's desire to make him seem uber powerful, they neglected the fact that a sadistic character would absolutely go back into the fight if he knew he could win. He wouldn't just let them leave.
GreenLore (EUW)
: To be honest I think it would have been fine if they had simply justified Senna not getting sucked back into the lantern by saying "its because Lucian protected her when he held her in his arms". After all the lantern being bale to suck up the lost souls wasn't even an established ability, so for Lucian being able to prevent that from happening like this wouldn't feel odd either. I don't think they really needed to add this "life energy"-curse to justify that.
The saved by love thing would be a bit cliche, but it would give Lucian a bigger role in saving Senna. Plus it would avoid all the extra stuff with the mist that doesn't seem as necessary. An interesting idea.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: why do sexists not get punished?
We don't see your chat logs so who knows what things you said to get chatbanned.
: Question to Riot regarding Thresh voice
All depends on if they can get the resources (VAs) on time to do these, or if they did them before hand.
sp441 (NA)
: >Shen can't heal with his blade. Oh yeah? Then how do you explain Surgeon Shen?
He hits them so hard with his blade it crosses over into healing them.
: > Senna first encountered the Mist at an early age, when wreckage from a distant Harrowing washed onto the shores of her home island. Demacia isn't an island.
Zoom out enough and every landmass is an island. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Terozu (NA)
: You seem to think Mary Sues are an inherently bad thing and not just a fun writing convention that's been used in tons of narratives from pretty much every culture around the globe. You seem to not realize that when talking about _legends_ they are inherently Mary Sues due to the way it's written. They're legends. The super special people who the universe revolves around. Like seriously, using Mary Sue as an insult is just plain stupid. Mary Sues are a fun writing convention that people love to use for that exact reason. Hating on them is just being a jackanape. Also when did power come into play here exactly?
Mary Sues are an inherently bad thing *because* they negatively affect stakes in storytelling. It's a symptom of bad writing, making your character powerful enough to simply rise above circumstances or problems in the plot without suffering or dealing with consequences. The reason they are common is because there are a lot of novice writers. The reason it is bad, is because people cannot relate to somebody handling every problem that comes their way without worry or trouble. It damages stakes in this case because you know that getting stuck in Thresh's lantern isn't as bad as we thought previously, and Senna just *happening* to get cursed by the black mist means that she's now immune to shadow island creature's tactics now. Legends are not inherently Mary Sues. Mary Sues are legends with no problems. Well written legends have problems, grow as a person, and then overcome them. That simple rule of thumb makes compelling main characters. Note I said main characters because background characters don't really need all that, they just need enough info for you to know what their deal is while they perform their role in the story.
: The fact that she's determined that love of all things is the basis for the Black Mist and also what is keeping her alive via her curse kind of made me gag. That's incredibly cheesy, and I'm super disappointed Riot went there. Like I get that the Ruined King loved his wife so much he wanted to return her to life, so in a sense his selfishness to bring her back is based in love, but to verbalize it and state it as a cause of the Black Mist was just a bit much to take completely seriously.
> to verbalize it and state it as a cause of the Black Mist was just a bit much to take completely seriously. It's not wrong though.
GenoXx (NA)
: I gotta say....Senna's lore made do a 180 for lore hype...
To be fair, I used to be skeptical on how Riot would pull this off without breaking established rules they made as well. Lucian breaking the lantern caused unpredictable results, and I'm willing to accept souls trapped within could be set free if you shatter it. The lantern reforming itself and dragging every soul back into it was a nice touch, I think. It solidifies the old rules that souls trapped in the lantern can't escape. Even breaking it, the freedom granted is temporary. Senna having a special power that lets her grab her chance to escape the lantern when Lucian breaks it is fine, in my eyes. It can be seen as clunky, but Senna had no development or character before Riot decided to give her one, so they gave her an ability that would later let her escape when given a chance. It's foreshadowing by essentially using an unwritten character, writing them, and then doing what you want with them later. It works.
: _**Uhm what?**_ I don't have a "narrow narrative" I'm trying to "force the stories and characters" on. I'm trying to apply the characters to _Riot's own narrative and world building endeavors._ When Riot tells us that Senna and Lucian hunt the undead, you expect them to dress appropriately. In no narrative existence - mine, Riot's, narrow, or broad - is wearing long drapy cloaks, gigantic long braids, and tiny heeled boots _ideal wardrobe for hunting monsters._ That kind of outfit will literally get you killed. If you're running from a zombie, it can grab your hair, and pull you down. If you're trying to run away from a horde of wraiths through a withered forest, you don't want the long cloak you have on to get caught in a bramble or a cluster of tree branches, yanking you to a stop and to your death when the wraiths catch you. If you're trying to run from monsters on a cliff side, or through a marsh, you don't want to be wearing tiny heels that will either catch in a crack or stab immediately into the earth to anchor you in place. When you're being pursued by a monster who can fling a hook out, you literally do not want any part of you to be a larger target for his hook to snare you by. Just about everything regarding Senna's outfit is a death sentence to a hunter. No amount of imagination will make this outfit believable on someone who's supposed to be nimble hunter.
To be fair, the drapy cloak and long braids is something Lucian wears as well. If I have to try to force it to make sense, I'll say that she, Lucian, and other lightslingers have a similar moveset, which means they get to dart around in blazes of light. Which means that most rank and file zoms aren't going to get you regardless. The very fact that you also see Lucian dash up to a pillar, wall run on it for a second, then dash off means that lightslingers in general are very acrobatic and nimble. So with that in mind, her choice of outfit doesn't really impact her mobility because they have inhumanly fast mobility anyway. Only a shadow isles monster on the level of Thresh has shown them any trouble, it seems.
: Senna Being the Next Champ is the Perfect 10th Anniversery Champion
> You might even kill a god damn champion. Well with the retcon of Senna being savable I don't think killing a champion's gonna mean much anymore.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MaYLlqkk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-11T23:21:10.450+0000) > > No. It is, Oct.11th, come celebrate national comingout day with human right campain!
> [{quoted}](name=Hunkmenlordy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MaYLlqkk,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-11T23:23:52.022+0000) > > It is, Oct.11th, come celebrate national comingout day with human right campain! No.
: It's commingout day
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mNAvVt0Y,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-07T13:06:22.206+0000) > > I'm more surprised they would basically throw all that work away instead of just putting up the game mode every once in a while to get more mileage out of it. Because they can't just throw modes up whenever. They have to go through QA to fix any bugs with new champions or changes that have been made to league's backend since the mode was last run. So getting it up would just add even more work onto a mode that simply wasn't successful. And throwing out work like this isn't uncommon with game design, most of it just isn't shown to the public because it isn't good enough. Nexus blitz was an experiment to see what happened when they did make a prototype public.
> [{quoted}](name=Quality Content,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mNAvVt0Y,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-07T19:10:14.287+0000) > > Because they can't just throw modes up whenever. They have to go through QA to fix any bugs with new champions or changes that have been made to league's backend since the mode was last run. So getting it up would just add even more work onto a mode that simply wasn't successful. And throwing out work like this isn't uncommon with game design, most of it just isn't shown to the public because it isn't good enough. Nexus blitz was an experiment to see what happened when they did make a prototype public. Huh I didn't know that. Thanks for the quality content.
: I'm really surprised that Nexus blitz is never coming back
I'm more surprised they would basically throw all that work away instead of just putting up the game mode every once in a while to get more mileage out of it.
: because riot has a fetish for overloading kits
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=001200000000000100000000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T02:26:50.725+0000) > > Valkyries are essentially the angels of death in norse mythology, meaning that armor style wouldn't impact their effectiveness in the slightest. > > In a fantasy setting, if your character is agile/fast/skilled enough to never be hit, what she's wearing is completely moot and up to the designer. If say you wrote a character that was an assassin and wore revealing clothing but they were skilled enough to never get hurt or killed during the story events, then their choice of clothing does not negatively impact the story. > > If you design an assassin character in revealing clothing and because of that they get exposed and killed with an arrow through the heart because she didn't wear armor or stealthy clothing then you can bring the choice of clothing into question because it directly lead to the character's death. > > Otherwise it literally doesn't matter. > > Because they are wearing their default clothing. > > Same reason characters in OW don't wear bulletproof vests and standard military grade armor for going into a war zone. Same reason WOW characters don't wear proper armor. It's a game. And unless their choice of clothing impacts the story it doesn't matter. valkyries were real so they could indeed die so there is no point in mentioning gods. as for what you keep saying about how its a fantasy game and they can do whatever they want. they already have a set bio. ashe is an iceborn archer who is also a leader. nothing about the insane ability to dodge any possible danger. now lets mention an example that does make sense. Rengar wears minimal armor but thats because he has hunted pretty much everything he can and he is an apex predator. he has no need to add more to what he already wears. also, he wears the bones of his kills because he is a prideful hunter and they included his personality into the game. as for overwatch. after looking at the roster id say over 50% of the heros dont shoot bullets and more likely shoot lazers or some other form. its already apparent that OW sexualizes its female characters aswell but even then some of them still make sense. and wow. did you really just use World of Warcraft as an example. the game where **you** decide what your character wears. if you meant like specific story NPCs i solemnly apologize. from my knowledge of WoW arthus is fully armored. archer necro bitch wears light armor and thats about all i know.
Valkyries were never real, they were a name of a host of female divinities in Norse Mythology. Ashe is also in the back where she shouldn't be in danger, meaning she wouldn't need armor. As for WOW I have to apologize as I haven't played the game but have seen images from the game and assumed most of them don't wear typical armor.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=001200000000000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T02:03:05.078+0000) > > Smells like a slippery slope fallacy. a logical fallacy[1] in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events show me the chain
I repeated what you said back to you, you having hysteria because if Ashe shows cleavage then Darius must by your logic go into battle in his tighty whities and Rakan flashing folks. If you don't understand your own faulty logic explained back to you then it doesn't make any sense.
: > > I can easily strawman your position right back. I guess you just enjoy slutshaming and demanding all girls wear burkas. slutshaming? lets put it this way. a female valkyrie is going into battle. why would she wear armor that exposes her boobs. one stab and now you are fucked because thats a sensitive area and are also exposing your damn heart to a stab. > >because Summoner's rift isn't cold. with that logic why does nunu wear a jacket and winter hat. and why does kaisa wear the void creature? she isn't in the void. i know its apart of her whole champ design otherwise she wouldnt make sense but still a point. and now for all the folowing: Irelia, Fiora, Illaoi, Kayle, Qiyana. These are all close and personal fighters that wear pretty standard clothes. if you were going to SR to **fight** why wouldnt you go with armor. now im not saying every close-quarters fighter should look like a knight because then it just gets repetitive but im sure there are still ways to armor them without them looking like leona IE: Lux(who is a mage but still wears armor),
> slutshaming? lets put it this way. a female valkyrie is going into battle. why would she wear armor that exposes her boobs. one stab and now you are fucked because thats a sensitive area and are also exposing your damn heart to a stab. Valkyries are essentially the angels of death in norse mythology, meaning that armor style wouldn't impact their effectiveness in the slightest. In a fantasy setting, if your character is agile/fast/skilled enough to never be hit, what she's wearing is completely moot and up to the designer. If say you wrote a character that was an assassin and wore revealing clothing but they were skilled enough to never get hurt or killed during the story events, then their choice of clothing does not negatively impact the story. If you design an assassin character in revealing clothing and because of that they get exposed and killed with an arrow through the heart because she didn't wear armor or stealthy clothing then you can bring the choice of clothing into question because it directly lead to the character's death. Otherwise it literally doesn't matter. > with that logic why does nunu wear a jacket and winter hat. and why does kaisa wear the void creature? she isn't in the void. i know its apart of her whole champ design otherwise she wouldnt make sense but still a point. Because they are wearing their default clothing. > and now for all the folowing: Irelia, Fiora, Illaoi, Kayle, Qiyana. These are all close and personal fighters that wear pretty standard clothes. if you were going to SR to fight why wouldnt you go with armor. Same reason characters in OW don't wear bulletproof vests and standard military grade armor for going into a war zone. Same reason WOW characters don't wear proper armor. It's a game. And unless their choice of clothing impacts the story it doesn't matter.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=001200000000000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T02:03:05.078+0000) > > Smells like a slippery slope fallacy. a logical fallacy[1] in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events show me the chain
You: Ashe should not show cleavage. 4SC: Why You: What you want Darius to wear his underwear into battle???
darkdill (NA)
: Wow, Ashe sounds really jaded in her new voice over
> I'd love for her to have something really colorful to say to Sylas. Lux isn't legally allowed to swear, Garen will ground her.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=0012000000000001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T01:47:43.073+0000) > > Maybe don't start shit over **outdated** characters that **aren't** going to get updated no matter how much your cry about it? oh? so im at fault for wanting the characters to represent who they really are? should we just have darius walk into lane in his underwear? or maybe rakan should always carry his bird dick in his hand?
Smells like a slippery slope fallacy.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=00120000000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-26T01:25:44.751+0000) > > 1. For me to answer this question I'm going to have to ask you a question. Why does Ashe have to cover up in a fantasy game? Because if you're going to argue consistency then she's just fine because plenty other Frelijord champs don't dress properly. > > 2. I'll give you trynd but Braum doesn't spend his time in taverns he's the country's local superhero that farms goats. Also if you're going to argue that Trynd's rage keeps him warm then don't even start with the realism angle to why Ashe has to cover up. > > 3. This has to do with her ingame model how exactly. > > 4. And League interpreting the beauty angle is bad because? > > 5. So? > > 6. Good thing this isn't a fantasy game where aesthetics take precedence over overt realism, oh wait. i can pretty much answer all those with, if its ok because its just a "fantasy game" then why have lore. why give each and every champion a complex story making them feel more then just an avatar. why break their character JUST BECAUSE. as for trynd and braum. if that answer didnt suffice i dont know what to tell you. regardless trynd could look cooler with more armor or animal skins and for braum he frequents taverns and i doubt he stands outside all day with his goats. if he does then its just bad character consistency. the reason i mentioned the video is because it depicts the lives of the champions in it. ashe is wearing more to keep warm. why wouldnt she in game. why do these champions need to look like instagram thotties i truly dont understand you. i guess you just enjoy ignoring what makes the champions unique and just stare at them titties
I can sympathize with the character angle but you're forgetting the fact that fantasy games have their own rules for consistency. Let's say for example in a game's world, in a desert, everyone wears heavy parkas. Now of course this makes no sense at all in our world, but in theirs maybe their desert is a cold desert (these exist irl) or maybe they are a species that normally live in such hot temperatures that a desert is cold to them. Going back to League's example every champion from the Frejiord dresses like the tundra is mildly cool with the exception of Nunu. This can be explained with current rules by him not being descended from an iceborne. The main three rulers of the Frelijord were descended from Iceborne, it's not unrealistic to think that they have a higher tolerance to cold temperatures so they don't need to cover up. In League's world the champions that live in the Frelijord don't have to wear heavy clothing to hang out and it's mostly expained, it's consistent to its own rules. league isn't host to the best writers out there, and their efforts to update lore in chunks causes this effect. > ashe is wearing more to keep warm. why wouldnt she in game because Summoner's rift isn't cold. > why do these champions need to look like instagram thotties I don't believe you actually think that every girl that wears something cropped low looks like an instagram thot. > i truly dont understand you. Feeling's mutual. > i guess you just enjoy ignoring what makes the champions unique and just stare at them titties I can easily strawman your position right back. I guess you just enjoy slutshaming and demanding all girls wear burkas.
Doodlzzz (NA)
: Whats with the Orianna buff?
I just wrecked a bunch of people with a well timed Ori ult, this only excites me further.
: I'm surprised that no one else has commented about Ashe getting a second legendary.
> As cool as a skin that is Nice try but the skin isn't icy enough for that kind of pun.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=001200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T00:55:30.673+0000) > > You said it not me. > > She's an iceborne. Same reason Trynd and Braum can hang out there without a shirt. > > She's also an angel, which are typically portrayed as beautiful. > > "If I say it then that means it's true!" > > I hope you realize that females have breasts. > > I read some of her bio just now and you're right she doesn't have the seductress angle anymore. Well now they have a reason to update her VO. 1. i really dont know where you were going with the first one 2. braum and trynd are not iceborn. even then braum spends his time in taverns and trynd is basically heated by his rage as barb king(not to mention his interactions with Aatrox making him who he is today) 3. in the video legends never die Ashe still wears animal pelts to keep warm. even if you can withstand cold thats no good reason to simply wear bare minimum. also in the video she has no cleavage. 4.angels dont where spandex and kayle was always the heavily armored knight angel. and you can be "beautiful" without sleezy armor. 5. Do i really need to explaid kaisa? she wears a "void creature" that just so conveniently shows her cleavage and is also skin tight and paper-thin 6.did you seriously not understand what i just said there? Sej acutally wears armor that covers her boobs and her whole body like you should be if you are wearing armor at all.
1. For me to answer this question I'm going to have to ask you a question. Why does Ashe have to cover up in a fantasy game? Because if you're going to argue consistency then she's just fine because plenty other Frelijord champs don't dress properly. 2. I'll give you trynd but Braum doesn't spend his time in taverns he's the country's local superhero that farms goats. Also if you're going to argue that Trynd's rage keeps him warm then don't even start with the realism angle to why Ashe has to cover up. 3. This has to do with her ingame model how exactly. 4. And League interpreting the beauty angle is bad because? 5. So? 6. Good thing this isn't a fantasy game where aesthetics take precedence over overt realism, oh wait.
: They tried to give MF a new VO back when they made GGMF. They scrapped it due to player feedback in internal testing.
Well can't say we didn't try. *shrugs*
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=0012000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-26T00:27:18.078+0000) > > What kind of bizarre sex dolls do you own. > > And besides that, you're implying that if a woman dresses a certain way it's hard to take her seriously. I thought women should be able to dress how they wanted. > > Besides, Sarah Fortune can portray herself to men however she feels she needs to in order to have an advantage. If it works, it works. yes. if a girl dresses like a skank should i take her seriously? not to mention obvious armor problems. for instance look at ashe herself she lives in the coldest place of runeterra and she wears bare minimum. Kayle is basically wearing spandex. kaisa is some bullshit of her own. Then atleast with sejuani with her base skin she has actual breastplating and no cleavage. until you get to her other skins. and no that isnt apart of MFs nature. in one of her stories she called someones brother over to a dock in which she killed one and drowned the other. she doesnt try to portray herself as a hooker for some sort of advantage.
> yes. if a girl dresses like a skank should i take her seriously? You said it not me. > for instance look at ashe herself she lives in the coldest place of runeterra and she wears bare minimum She's an iceborne. Same reason Trynd and Braum can hang out there without a shirt. > Kayle is basically wearing spandex. She's also an angel, which are typically portrayed as beautiful. > kaisa is some bullshit of her own. "If I say it then that means it's true!" > Then atleast with sejuani with her base skin she has actual breastplating and no cleavage. until you get to her other skins. I hope you realize that females have breasts. > and no that isnt apart of MFs nature I read some of her bio just now and you're right she doesn't have the seductress angle anymore. Well now they have a reason to update her VO.
Bôognish (EUW)
: As a enchanter Main I think, the increased range of his Q in combination with the shield breaking ult would be a bit to much for the likes of Janna and Lulu. With them being my mains means that he is my main ban atm, fuck pyke man, he destroys the whole lane (and in perspective the whole game) and keeps taunting us enchanter mains :/ {{champion:40}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}}{{champion:117}} {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Soraka E messes up Pyke pretty bad if you're quick. E stops his Q channel and dropping it where he dashes will keep him from escaping. Ult is good to mess up his ult resets as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZtLdmvi4,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-09-25T22:49:01.434+0000) > > That has literally nothing to do with her voiceover. look buddy. the reason i said that is because its hard to take a character serious when they are shown as sex dolls Missfortune grew up with a shit life. her mother murdered in front of her. lived in Bilgewater. fought to survive and became tough as steel. In game she has large tits with loads of cleavage and tons of sex jokes in voice lines Kai'sa: do i even need to express how stupid her suit is. do you get it knuckle head?
What kind of bizarre sex dolls do you own. And besides that, you're implying that if a woman dresses a certain way it's hard to take her seriously. I thought women should be able to dress how they wanted. Besides, Sarah Fortune can portray herself to men however she feels she needs to in order to have an advantage. If it works, it works.
: this would be cool if she didnt have cleavage showing in pretty much every skin
That has literally nothing to do with her voiceover.
: Another day, another post that claims to know the majority with not a single shred of proof. God I love the Boards.
: I mean, kys doesn't bother me in the slightest but that isn't the point here. If you think that saying something in full Danish means that anarchy's coming up because some people cannot handle being told kys in any context no matter what said context is, and therefore have to shut down every instance of that word worldwide, then you support the complete opposite of anarchy. This is precisely why we shouldn't have robot overlords, because they don't understand context and because they don't pay fleshbags well.
I mean if it means that people learn a new language just to be insulting I think it's a net positive. Learning languages is a net positive in my book. Now to be serious, I think it would be a great thing if people would stop letting words bother them but until then, let me address your example. The chat log is never just Kys Morgana There will be chat before and after, and all you have to do is see the language being spoken, and it's an open and shut case.
slourand (EUNE)
: We want Star Guardian Invasion back
My whole thing is why put all that work into that fantastic game mode if you're never going to pull it out of the drawer to use it ever again. Idk it just feels like a big waste of time.
Diävolo (EUW)
: I'm one of these people who hated TFT before I even played it. Now I hate it 100%. With Riot using it to shut us up.
> [{quoted}](name=Diävolo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Q8P3Y3LJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-29T12:10:46.373+0000) > > I'm one of these people who hated TFT before I even played it. Now I hate it 100%. With Riot using it to shut us up. Pretty much this. I never liked autochess styled games, and this one is too rng based and low interactivity for my liking. And now the main game I actually like is suffering.
Hawt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=JancevFTW,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZOITMUJT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-28T14:12:34.189+0000) > > Fuck ahri fuck ezreal fuck lux thats it There are lot of people who would want to fuck Ahri, Ezreal, or Lux.
My vote's on Lux personally, as I don't want my soul succed by Ahri.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GMo5yu5Y,comment-id=001600000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-29T11:38:49.362+0000) > > "Kys" is an insane edge case, because you'd be giving everybody a free pass on a "kill yourself" phrase just because they might have used a different language. I could quite literally say "Kys Tyrek", fully using the english meaning here, and the second I get banned for it I could claim that I meant to "kiss Tyrek" and I just resorted to danish because I like the language. Have you even read that person's chatlogs? THE WHOLE LOGS ARE WRITTEN IN DANISH. AND WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TRANSLATE IT, NOTHING TOXIC HAS BEEN WRITTEN. If you type in english and then at one point you type "kys" to some1, ofc you cant excuse yourself by saying you meant to say "kiss" in danish. Context matters. And in this case, the person had no ill intentions.
Well no, the system doesn't have to work in non-supported languages, nobody is arguing that. The entire point here is asking for the human element to look into the issue, find that it was a false positive, then resolve the matter. That's all.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GMo5yu5Y,comment-id=00160000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-29T11:16:36.908+0000) > > Sure... I'm trolling. > > Let me ask you something. > > Do you think people are more likely to speak Danish on a European (EUW) server? > > If so, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Because newsflash, not every European person has to bend to the whims of the english people that decided arbitrarily that one of their words are toxic. what IF .... every one taht say kys to you , actually means kiss in danish , but you just want to see the bad in people and want to report them? so they sent you kisses and you think they want you to kill ur self, everything is what you want to see in the situation, now you know kys = kiss so why dont you take it as people saying kiss and be a little happier. kiss your sister keep yourself save kiss your siblings Keep Your Socks! Koala's Yogurt Sux i bet you see all these for a simple kill your self maybe start seeing kys as something like kiss and it wont bother you anymore
Kys has never once bothered me, because I don't internalize the words of people I have never met and who I will never see again after the game's done. Would I tell someone to kys? No, because it's rude in principle, not because I think it would actually hurt somebody emotionally. If I learned Danish and started typing only in Danish to my Danish friends, would I flirt with one of them and say that I wanted to kys them? Sure, if I like her enough. Context matters.
: The european EUW server offers english, german, french, spanish and italian as our language options. This means that the words are judged based on if they are toxic in one of these 5 languages. "Kys" is an insane edge case, because you'd be giving everybody a free pass on a "kill yourself" phrase just because they might have used a different language. I could quite literally say "Kys Tyrek", fully using the english meaning here, and the second I get banned for it I could claim that I meant to "kiss Tyrek" and I just resorted to danish because I like the language. If you support that you might as well support anarchy when it comes to chat.
I mean, kys doesn't bother me in the slightest but that isn't the point here. If you think that saying something in full Danish means that anarchy's coming up because some people cannot handle being told kys in any context no matter what said context is, and therefore have to shut down every instance of that word worldwide, then you support the complete opposite of anarchy. This is precisely why we shouldn't have robot overlords, because they don't understand context and because they don't pay fleshbags well.
: ***
Sure... I'm trolling. Let me ask you something. Do you think people are more likely to speak Danish on a European (EUW) server? If so, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Because newsflash, not every European person has to bend to the whims of the english people that decided arbitrarily that one of their words are toxic.
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