: Sorry. I legitimately placed 6/8 - 8/8 of every provisional series, and had a 70% win rate in first 80 games. I never skipped a tier. Provisionals just let you bypass a promotional series. Maybe Iron has higher LP than Bronze does, but I started this account at B III provisionals and only got up to B II/I by 8 games, winning 6-8 games per. In 90+ games with 60-70% Win rates, I have hit 7 promos between all my fills, some positions holding a 88% Win rate. NONE of them have skipped me tiers.
The only forseeable way for something like this to happen, is if your mmr was 'insanely' low for the rank you had last season, or during preseason. If you were silver 4 last season, that would mean your mmr equivalent would have had to have been bronze 4 or lower for what you're describing to happen. Meaning that it's placing you about where you belong already, and not giving you much room (LP) to improve along the way..
: Sorry. I legitimately placed 6/8 - 8/8 of every provisional series, and had a 70% win rate in first 80 games. I never skipped a tier. Provisionals just let you bypass a promotional series. Maybe Iron has higher LP than Bronze does, but I started this account at B III provisionals and only got up to B II/I by 8 games, winning 6-8 games per. In 90+ games with 60-70% Win rates, I have hit 7 promos between all my fills, some positions holding a 88% Win rate. NONE of them have skipped me tiers.
When did anyone EVER say ANYTHING about _skipping tiers_? I've been talking about skipping promos.. whether it's division promo or tier promo. You literally don't even enter promos _at all_ during your provisionals. Are you completely misunderstanding the terminology here or what?.. But I'm guessing you mean skipping divisions?.. which I absolutely assure you is possible, and would happen with your winrate. I had a 12% winrate (that's right TWELVE PERCENT) and I skipped an entire division and the promos... as I said, going from bronze 3 to bronze 1, after I decided to try for just 3 games in a row. And I PROMISE you, what your explaining about your provisionals is incorrect and impossible. If you started bronze 3 and won 6 out of 8 games, you would have ended up at least bronze 1 with high LP or silver 4 (all division and tier promos skipped along the way). So either you lost a heck of a lot more games than you're telling us, or you're personally misreading something or some numbers somewhere.
: Except that this is not how it works at all.. As your MMR gets higher than your rank, you get matched with teammates who HAVE to have lower MMR in order to average things out. That's literally what team MMR averaging is, and the reason that very soon you start to see teammates that go 0/10, because their ACTUAL skill level (and mmr) is much lower than their opponent's. In other words the more you win and win and win, and get major streaks going, the worse your teammates have to be for their own elo, in order to compensate for your crazy win streak. It starts matching you with players who are much worse than their own lane opponents, player who are about to be demoted, or own major loss streaks themselves. That's how it forces a 50% winstreak, and it's a bad fucking system. The absolute last thing it does is give you 'better teammates' as you increase your mmr, that's a terrible way of looking at it, and largely incorrect. It actually ends up doing the opposite.
And to further my point, if you were to go on a loss streak.. either on purpose or by accident. You'll see the exact opposite start to happen.. you'll start to see teammates that literally cannot lose, because the system is overcompensating the enemy team.. giving you much much worse enemies, while your teammates maintain a decent to high mmr for their elo. You start to see unloseable matches. I know this because I've done the above on purpose this season, and it gets to a point where no matter how much you throw you CAN'T lose, because your teammate skill level is that much higher than your opponent's that you start to have no effect on the outcome. Enemies will straight up throw themselves onto your teammates swords, so to speak, and hyperfeed in the same way your own teammates would if you had a massive winstreak.
Sevje (EUW)
: Let's talk about "Forced 50% Winrate"
Except that this is not how it works at all.. As your MMR gets higher than your rank, you get matched with teammates who HAVE to have lower MMR in order to average things out. That's literally what team MMR averaging is, and the reason that very soon you start to see teammates that go 0/10, because their ACTUAL skill level (and mmr) is much lower than their opponent's. In other words the more you win and win and win, and get major streaks going, the worse your teammates have to be for their own elo, in order to compensate for your crazy win streak. It starts matching you with players who are much worse than their own lane opponents, player who are about to be demoted, or own major loss streaks themselves. That's how it forces a 50% winstreak, and it's a bad fucking system. The absolute last thing it does is give you 'better teammates' as you increase your mmr, that's a terrible way of looking at it, and largely incorrect. It actually ends up doing the opposite.
: I don't think you're really Silver. When rank resets, remember it's not only you getting reset. All those other Plat players also got reset to Silver as well. You are not playing versus real Silver players. An easy way to know when your MMR actually matches the elo you're playing in is to look at your LP gains and losses. Generally when you're gaining around 19 LP per win, your rank and your MMR are matching. But if you're in Silver gaining around 27 LP per win, they you're actually playing in Gold.
To further my point, this is the reason why you see so many who were plats and diamonds specifically, for many seasons, complaining on the boards.. and not so much other players. Because the ranked system is literally fucking us in the ass by waaaay overcompensating and trying to drive us down much much further than it should. Essentially MMR-fucking us more than any other season ever has. In otherwords, you're right about your assessment.. but it's doing it WAY the fuck too much. And this is the major complaint all players are having with matchmaking atm.
: I don't think you're really Silver. When rank resets, remember it's not only you getting reset. All those other Plat players also got reset to Silver as well. You are not playing versus real Silver players. An easy way to know when your MMR actually matches the elo you're playing in is to look at your LP gains and losses. Generally when you're gaining around 19 LP per win, your rank and your MMR are matching. But if you're in Silver gaining around 27 LP per win, they you're actually playing in Gold.
But that's just it.. Since the game uses MMR from my preseason where I was plat (and my MMR was MUCH higher than low plat), that means I as a silver get matched with all plats on both sides.. except that the players on my team have to have much much much lower MMR. So I'm getting matched with allies who are on their way to being demoted or massive loss streaks, or players who don't belong where they are to begin with but LP gains are WAAAAYYY too much in the beginning for them _not_ to promote more easily than they should. And this is why I see nothing but trolls and players who legitimately have no fucking clue what they're doing, with infinitely worse mechanics and game knowledge than the enemy teams. It's like what people have described for years.. when your MMR is too high for your rank, you get matched with the worst allies that you have to carry.. except this season it's like the system is on crack, because LP gains are fucking monstrous. So MMR amounts are all over the damn place trying to 'auto correct' and instead just ending up with silvers in plat games. I'd be lucky if I was playing with golds, cus that would mean the team SKILLS LEVELS would be closer, and not 100% 1 sided uncarriable stomps. All I see are all 3 lanes and jg hyper feeding, players who legitimately don't even know their champs or their builds, and more flat out griefers and trolls than I've seen in the past 8 seasons combined. It's as I said.. disgusting.
: You get 34-50 in placements per game depending on how difficult the opponent is. You can go up about 2-3 ranks max in 8 wins. Also, there is no skipping mechanism that low. I had a 70% win rate and never got an opportunity to skip.
You definitely start out getting much more than that, even if it starts you iron 4. I know because I've now played 3 accounts that started there. And there absolutely 100% is a skipping mechanism. Both during provisionals and after.. Either you're not realizing or you're doing something horribly wrong during your provisionals. You literally can't NOT skip promos during provisionals if you get to 100 LP. That IS the mechanism. But just to further my point, I have an account that started Iron 4 and made it to bronze 3 or 2 I believe by the end of provisionals.. still getting 40+ LP after 30+ matches. And I'm not gonna say that I threw a ton of matches after that on purpose, but let's just say it's an account I don't care about at all and just play to mess around on.. but I lost a BUNCH of matches in a row (like 9 of them), and the next 'few' that I actually tried and won on.. I skipped TWO DIVISIONS once I hit promos.. from bronze 3 to bronze 1. I still even have the facebook message I sent to a buddy of mine with how appalled I was that this is the case - saying how utterly, insanely, difficult it is to even lose/demote at that low rank. It just goes to show that while Riot made iron, they're desperately trying to shift everyone out of it, and into silver and higher, no matter how good or bad they really are. People keep saying players will end up where they belong, but not with LP gains and promo skipping pandering to lower ranks this much while diamonds are getting 10 LP per win. And THAT'S what's wrong with matchmaking atm, and will continue to the more people make new accounts - be it legit new, or smurf.
: > [{quoted}](name=USG Failsawce,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3h3zwlEa,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-16T20:26:16.897+0000) > > people can be 30 and still be new to the game.. if it's their first time playing ranked. they also 'appear' to be new, as in they haven't actually played long enough to figure out their own champs, let alone how the game works. that was my and everyone else's point > > likewise.. the problem with people starting in iron is, it takes 1 win to instantly rank up, and they're gaining anywhere from 70-90 LP PER WIN, with instant promo skipping even long after provisionals.. getting to silver is a cinch, because the lower you start, the faster you rank.. > > even if you lose 4/5 games, but play 40 games.. the 8 games you do win give you enough LP to keep ranking up until you're well into gold.. its fucking unreal how LP gains are working right now Yea BS I have more then 8 games and still in Iron you dont get that much lp for wins.
Did I say that you still get 70-90 after provisionals? I didn't did i. But you DO get insane amounts more the lower your rank, and lose way less, despite a ton of losses. See the post below that I just made to another reply
Leadboo (NA)
: This seems oddly specific.
well maybe it is, and maybe it isn't (oddly charlie kelly sounding voice)
: I believe that would be highly debateable. What is it that the person was wanting to learn? If it is ways of getting around the banning system then no, that is not generally appriciated information to be shared and the post would likely be removed... but not banned. Generally it will just result in post removal unless you spam it or continue posting even after you are told to stop... then likely you will be banned, but otherwise i doubt it.
well let's just say for instance, it's like i said in my post.. that the entire reason, the only reason.. is to point out the flaws in the new ranked system. of which there are apparently many. nothing at all to do with avoiding banning or penalties from in game actions, much less teaching others how to, or alluding to that.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Because people had been moaning about him on the boards for weeks. He has a really high play rate yet his winrate is really high too. Champions with high play rate usually get lower winrates, and the opposite for champs with lower playratr because mostly mains play them. Basically means thresh is over performing.
i dont understand.. you're saying the reason he's suddenly so strong now is because people have been complaining about him?? did i misread this or something?...
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: I woud like to point out if they are new to the gmae and below 30 the can;t even play ranked . Amd if they are 30 playing ranked riot has said new account are automaticlley starting in Iron. T leas ttthat what I have seen people saying.
people can be 30 and still be new to the game.. if it's their first time playing ranked. they also 'appear' to be new, as in they haven't actually played long enough to figure out their own champs, let alone how the game works. that was my and everyone else's point likewise.. the problem with people starting in iron is, it takes 1 win to instantly rank up, and they're gaining anywhere from 70-90 LP PER WIN, with instant promo skipping even long after provisionals.. getting to silver is a cinch, because the lower you start, the faster you rank.. even if you lose 4/5 games, but play 40 games.. the 8 games you do win give you enough LP to keep ranking up until you're well into gold.. its fucking unreal how LP gains are working right now
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: His sheer utility and how often he can do his magic is what makes him strong. They're increasing the cd on his q for that reason. He can cast his q in a teamfight 2-3 times.. Should be like 1-2 times now
what im asking is why NOW. i understand thresh is a solid pick.. but not much changed since the last few patches where he had tons more counters. but now he's practically win advantage vs all - including adcs, healer supports, tank supports, and especially mage supports. recently plenty of those things had win advantage, but now he does.. get my drift? trying to find out what changed specifically
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: From one support to another; how do y'all keep your cool?
I was gonna come into this thread and tell you to stop picking mage supports, especially lux support, like the jackass troll that I am (with plenty of truth tho). But you actually play healer and 'support' champs, like I do as a plat support main (tho I prob play more tanks). I also play a fuckton of adc so I can relate to both sides.. I've seen quite a few toxic supports as well, but generally adcs are the worse ones. I can understand the temper thing too, but it's true what people say.. just mute, or even better than that.. get into a mindset where the toxic things adcs say are laughable to you. since you most likely do know better than the bad ones who are legitimately being toxic. give em the "Lol" response when they type out this big essay about how shit you are and your decisions. You'll feel better about it, and they might just stfu ;) What to do about the problem? honestly.. op.gg your team before the match starts, that's right.. all fucking 4 of em. do this during champ select after highlighting your pick. your adc first. If said adc has a 20% wr on their highlighted pick with an overall 1.17 kda.. just dodge. that game won't go well for you, won't be fun, and you'll only lose 3 LP for it. If they're decent normally, but extremely toxic in game or have a bad game.. find the person on your team that either is the smurf, the best player, or is currently doing the best and then roam to their lane.. even if it's top. once laning is over, stick to that person and get shit done. this is what i do when things go bad bot, generally even if my adc isn't being toxic. you just have to know when to rotate/roam/macro to the players who have the edge.
: Wait... Is Nunu strong now? Whenever I play him I have as much fun as I am useless
you're kidding right?.. you honest to god can't feel the same way playing him as old nunu.. who was strong in the right hand, but weak in the wrong. but like you can't play him now and _not_ be insanely useful, no matter what. so long as you've played jg more than 1 time ever before..
: I think Nunu's slow should scale slightly.
Oh, I thought this was gonna be a buff nunu thread and I was like "you out your fucking mind boi?!" and then i realized it actually has some thought into it.. as a nunu player he is insanely strong haha. i can get behind this one
: Can we change the "None" ban option to "Pass" please?
please dear god do this.. im so tired of silver players with 33% winrates in my gold+ matches who say "i don't need a ban, you'll see" or "i dont ban, stop being scared" or "why ban? im trying to _learn all matchups_" IN RANKED. And then that same person does the worst of 9 people in the match by fucking far make it so it can pass on to the next person down and remove the option to not ban
: The No.1 Reason Why People Don't Main Nautilus is...
You're joking right? I main Naut support/top and I fucking LOVE his punch animation For one, he already has plenty of anchor auto animation, so it's nice to have a bit of variety (when is this ever a bad thing?).. and for two, he's like "you're so beneath me, im just gonna smack you like a bitch rn". But honestly it looks great.. how the fuck could you play naut and not like it? Or are you one of those millenials who needs every. single. thing. to be flashy and edgy or else its HyperBoring?
: Riot has managed to make URF unfun...
there was a time when urf was fun?...
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Paracord (EUW)
: Should Rito remove "Attack move"
wat.. why not just remove their auto attacks while you're at it? how is this a real thread
Yenn (NA)
: Nasus managed to finish his Trinity Force before the game ended? Guess I'll just die
why does everyone think nasus is this invincible god now that he got a small buff.. he's still nasus, has the same weaknesses as ever. his jungle fad was a fucking joke and absolutely beyond garbage.. and top lane he gets a few more stacks, but can be shutdown EASILY before he does, or even after.. if his enemies have 1/4 of a brain in their heads cannot believe how petrified every single person is of nasus in all the games i play tho, jesus
: I'm sorry but that should not be happening unless you are where you belong. Atm this account is still Bronze, close to Silver, and I have a 67-70% Win Rate. There is no way you should be getting 20-35% win rates unless you are really that bad. Yes. My 67-70% is exceptional. But your 20-35% is exceptional in the opposite direction. It means you never carry, but only are carried. I know it's hard to internalize, but it's true.
OR unless there's something wrong with the matchmaking/mmr calculations.. which there clearly fucking are, and anyone who's played this season for more than 10 minutes can see that. you being at 59% winrate in bronze 1 and currently losing your promos means literally absolutely fucking nothing at all. in fact, it proves the points of everyone else in this thread, and every other thread talking about it atm. i was plat last season, and this season i cant get thru silver 2 and it's unreal the amount of people saying the exact same things.. other plats and diamonds being stuck in silver/gold due to matchmaking being inconsistent and incorrectly calculated. and im starting to see EXACTLY what it was that riot did wrong here.. which was tying LP gains directly to mmr and then _boosting_ LP gains immensely at low ranks (+79 anyone?). it makes sense why anything below plat is a gargantuan mess right now
: i mean thats not really matchmaking, thats a problem with how the MMR system itself works.
it is a problem with matchmaking if the matchmaking system isn't functioning correctly ON TOP of mmr issues _and_ lp gain issues. right now matchmaking isn't averaging things out properly, giving people sometimes 3 different tiers of ranks, and 1 1/2+ differences in team average. on top of that.. low ranks are getting insane amounts of lp NO MATTER WHAT, and high elo is getting next to nothing
Sonic132 (NA)
: Everyone gets placed low Bronze first game. They aren't going to make silver unless they win a lot of their placements. Even if they do, they won't be there for long if they're truly iron.
except that iron players are getting 40+ lp and skipping promos, even if they lose 40 games in a row...
: No S
lol on urf? who the fuck cares bro.
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CytheGuy (NA)
: Riot, what is this supposed to mean?
I just made a post saying the same exact thing. I don't understand their thinking at all.. it's already a bad system, and this makes it a flat out garbage almost troll like system. what the fuck is the actual point now? This even goes against EVERYTHING, that riot has stated about what they made this system for in the first place... And the worst part? Where are the 'benefits' to this ranked system now?? it literally has nothing but disadvantages and 0 (negative) fucking benefits
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: 9.4 brand ill quit the game if u nerf him again
thank god, one less cancer brand player to worry about dont let the door hit you.. actually idgaf hope it breaks your ass bones
DonnanDt (NA)
: I've always wondered why people think Teemo should use wards, you understand his ult right?
: Matchmaking needs time to properly place players.
but even if that's true.. shouldn't their still be times where the enemy team is the one that gets the 'bad team' that dies 5-6 times before 3 min, or loses all 3 lanes by 5 min? before either jg can even gank i haven't seen that once yet in 40+ games.. and the only explanation is that my mmr is insanely high for my elo, but how is that possible with massive loss streaks
: Tonight has Been either A BLOW OUT or getting BLOWN OUT. NO good games all night most are ff at 15 MINS thats right early Surrenders lol
well that's another issue all on it's own though.. the problem i'm having is why i keep getting the 'bad' team who die 6 times and lose 2 or all 3 lanes before EITHER jungle can _even_ gank, literally in 40+ games since season start.. normally id agree about being the only person who is in every game is myself, and that it's generally a coin toss, but my god.. there's no WAY it's a coincidence at this point that I have not seen ONE single enemy team with hyperfeeders/afks/griefer yet and the only explanation i have for that is my having insanely high mmr for my elo.. but how can that possibly be after that many losses?
: Op.gg is having problems with the api since the ranked season started. You shouldn’t trust anything it gives yet.
no but it is right tho lol.. all these enemy players were placed gold and some plat last season, and all my teammates placed silver last season.. that's no different than what it says this seasons on the average the question is.. how in gods name is that possible, because there's no way in hell my MMR is that high after this many losses. even if i did get to plat promos last season
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: Can someone explain how the "next win bonus LP" reward works? I can't seem to find context on it
really? no one can tell me how this works? 600+ views and not a single person understands this bonus LP thing that they suddenly have on their end game screen since season start.. and nothing from riot on it anywhere?
baka19 (NA)
: pick mordekaiser with aery and go ignite and start E max W
well i mean the picks aren't the problem so much as mechanics of laning vs her
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Saezio (EUNE)
: no clue then
dude legit told his new duo in discord he had to go and left at 5 seconds into match, no items bought.. 3 min rolls around and no remake option even the duo said to report him in all chat, cus that was fucked.. but why in gods name would there be no remake >< so tired of riots shit
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: Client Doesn't Show Stats after Completed Match
I just made a post about this myself.. except that mine doesn't even give me "skip waiting for stats" half the time anymore. And now it's starting to happen in champ select too.. I just lost LP two games in a row cus my client auto-dodged from this bullshit happening... glad to see someone had something to say in response to this though! keep it up Riot!
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