: I deserve an apology.
As the OP has made it clear they aren't looking for advice or genuine discussion, this thread has been locked. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: What Nubrac did IS against the rules
[Here's the policy in question](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans). This remains a terribly grey area. They've taken steps to prevent Proxy Singed from being a thing and the rework made Smite Support Nunu significantly less viable, but Riot has really never addressed the question of what obligations a player has to their team. If I say in pre-game that I'm following a very specific strategy that requires my team to both pick and play around me, at what point can they say no? _Are they even allowed to say no?_
: Hey Ulanopo, get your butt in here
We've been slowly but surely working to change Gameplay, as the community there is tired of low-effort posts. While there may have been responses to your content, including some by moderators, your post would have been a better fit for GD.
: Fixing League Of Legends - Hopefully Correct Board This Time
>Everyone here is being contrarian without offering an alternative idea. That's a logical error. You made a suggestion - one that's been made many times before - and people are pointing out problems with that suggestion. Having done so, it's not their responsibility to make a counter-suggestion.
: Fixing League Of Legends - Hopefully Correct Board This Time
>What about feeders? Trolls? Assholes? What happens to them? Is a 10 or 25 game chat ban going to effectively curb a feeder's behaviour? Intentional feeding starts at an escalated 14-day suspension. It's just harder to detect with machines, so it happens less often and is therefore less visible. The rest of your argument has been suggested many, many times before. One of the core problems with it is that it rests on a perceived value to ranked play that is probably not what you think it is. Ranked participation is actually less than 50% of the active player base, at least according to the numbers I heard a couple years ago. Also, by locking them into blind pick TT, you are not only creating a "prisoner's island", which is something Riot has long been dead set against, but you're also ruining that format for people who actually enjoy TT.
: Why you newer play ranked>?
> [{quoted}](name=captaincomando1,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=f8flGYaW,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-06T01:44:12.562+0000) > > Why you newer play ranked>? [Ad hominem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)
afmghost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=f8flGYaW,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T00:59:20.405+0000) > > Clearly, it's everyone but you that needs to change, yeah? I'm pointing out a problem. You guys are acting like plugging your ears and looking away makes it magically vanish. This just in: it doesn't
> [{quoted}](name=afmghost,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=f8flGYaW,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T01:02:21.683+0000) > > I'm pointing out a problem. You guys are acting like plugging your ears and looking away makes it magically vanish. > > This just in: it doesn't You might wish to do some reading on [Coping Strategies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coping_(psychology)). The advice offered here is not intended to change the world. It's intended to help people manage the stress and frustration they feel.
: Where does Riot draw the line on vulgarity?
Generally, anything that insults is a problem. Anything that insults or demeans a group is a bigger problem. So, if I call someone a "fucking idiot", that's not okay. If I start throwing around bigoted slurs, I'm going to get the hammer and deservedly so.
Investa (NA)
: Not that I'm against pride month specifically, I dislike any of these "celebration" months for identity we have no control over. Just seems superfluous, as why would you restrict being proud of who you are to a single month? Or for that matter, why take pride in it at all and just take pride in your accomplishments that may or may not have to do with your sexuality/race/etc. Plus, in Western society, people are celebrated at a far greater rate than those who persecute them. The irony is the true minorities are those who hate these "marginalized" people. It's pretty much normalized here. Now, I have to give huge respect to those with the courage to have pride in things like this in a country in the middle east or Africa. Or China, or North Korea or Vietnam or...Yeah, the rest of the world has a long way to go.
> [{quoted}](name=Investa,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=sBuh6hfG,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:21:46.276+0000) > > Not that I'm against pride month specifically, I dislike any of these "celebration" months for identity we have no control over. Just seems superfluous, as why would you restrict being proud of who you are to a single month? Or for that matter, why take pride in it at all and just take pride in your accomplishments that may or may not have to do with your sexuality/race/etc. > > Plus, in Western society, people are celebrated at a far greater rate than those who persecute them. The irony is the true minorities are those who hate these "marginalized" people. It's pretty much normalized here. Now, I have to give huge respect to those with the courage to have pride in things like this in a country in the middle east or Africa. Or China, or North Korea or Vietnam or...Yeah, the rest of the world has a long way to go. Are we only patriotic on the 4th of July? Are we only grateful at Thanksgiving? Do we only cherish our parents on Mother's or Father's Day? No, those things are _celebrations_. They're moments where we bring special attention to something.
: *Cough Cough* Marxism; the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by utilizing socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/kcgKiexE-blizzard-bans-controversial-ok-symbol?comment=001d Because undermining what has continued the survival of the human race, for the sake of screwy egotistical minorities is such a wholesome idea huh. Why does being in a relationship warrant it's own holiday (valentines)? What about the singles then? There's always been a subtle stigma against straights that aren't in a relationship, whether it be drifters/partyers/unstable employment, yet you don't see them trying to drastically shift society for attention.
> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=sBuh6hfG,comment-id=001300010001,timestamp=2019-06-05T06:34:07.715+0000) > > *Cough Cough* > > Marxism; the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by utilizing socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society. > > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/kcgKiexE-blizzard-bans-controversial-ok-symbol?comment=001d > > Because undermining what has continued the survival of the human race, for the sake of screwy egotistical minorities is such a wholesome idea huh. > Why does being in a relationship warrant it's own holiday (valentines)? What about the singles then? There's always been a subtle stigma against straights that aren't in a relationship, whether it be drifters/partyers/unstable employment, yet you don't see them trying to drastically shift society for attention. Mostly because being gay carries significantly more risk than minor social disapproval. LGBT+ people are routinely the targets of violence and discrimination.
: It's great that Riot is showing diversity through this event. In the light of fairness though, where is the icon/even for those who are proud to be straight? Straight pride and gay pride should be able to exist hand in hand w/o one or the other feeling discriminated against. We should all get something special. Would be cool if it could coordinate somehow ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Zeronries,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=sBuh6hfG,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-06-04T18:03:30.281+0000) > > It's great that Riot is showing diversity through this event. In the light of fairness though, where is the icon/even for those who are proud to be straight? Straight pride and gay pride should be able to exist hand in hand w/o one or the other feeling discriminated against. We should all get something special. Would be cool if it could coordinate somehow ;) You mean all the other cheap/free swag they've put out over the years?
: > Riot recently gave some insight into their perspective on balancing the game as a whole. We know this is a contentious topic, but arguments that Riot shouldn't balance around one or more of those groups are probably going to be subject to heightened review. What does "heightened review" mean exactly? Also, since it's kinda related, as I said in my own comment: > Is using the statistical fact that high elo players are better at the game than low elo players, not as an insult, but a fact of argument still considering rank shaming? Or have we realized using facts without using them to insult is fine? *I look at a very specific mod when I say this.* **(Not Ulanopo)**
> [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xJgRzoFX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T02:06:51.711+0000) > > What does "heightened review" mean exactly? "Heightened review" refers to any situation or usage where the policy is to take a close look at the content and see if it's appropriate for the Boards. Basically, it means the space between automatic removal and minimal or no action.
: I was banned for calling someone creepy.
You were actually suspended on 05/17 for insults, saying people have low IQ, telling people they need psychiatric help and the like. You also had seven removals on that day for this sort of thing. You had two removals on the 28th for wrong board. They did not come with a warning. If you believe you are being harassed, please feel free to come to the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
Ifneth (NA)
: I worry about people blundering into that third rule. What if two threads started at more or less the same time? For example, 11:32 - Poster A comes to Boards, sees no thread on Subject S, and begins making one. 11:51 - Poster B comes to boards, sees no thread on Subject S, and begins making one. 11:54 - Poster A posts. 12:17 - Poster B, having finished writing unaware of Poster A, posts. 12:49 - Moderator removes Poster B’s thread for repetition. Ouch.
> [{quoted}](name=Ifneth,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xJgRzoFX,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T17:30:03.143+0000) > > I worry about people blundering into that third rule. What if two threads started at more or less the same time? For example, > > 11:32 - Poster A comes to Boards, sees no thread on Subject S, and begins making one. > 11:51 - Poster B comes to boards, sees on thread on Subject S, and begins making one. > 11:54 - Poster A posts. > 12:17 - Poster B, having finished writing unaware of Poster A, posts. > 12:49 - Moderator removes Poster B’s thread for repetition. Ouch. We really haven't seen many circumstances where two people produce overlapping quality posts in a short time frame. Most of the time, Guideline #3 is going to apply more when there's a hot topic for Gameplay, which mostly center around reworks, changes and new releases.
: If its impossible to fight, That means it is overpowered. [edited - Ulanopo]
> [{quoted}](name=Darknesshas1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TBamX1TQ,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-02T03:25:59.428+0000) > > If its impossible to fight, That means it is overpowered. [edited - Ulanopo] I've edited out the call for people to not post on the boards. Please don't do that.
: Honestly? These are all rules I believe that should have been in place since day 1. Nice to hear that they might be coming soon. A reduction in the number of identical "DELET YASOU NAOWWWW!!11" posts will be very helpful for actual discussion. Two questions, though: 1) Will there be more moderators to help with increased demand? Especially if duplicate posts are being cut, there's going to be a *lot* more reports that I imagine you guys will have to sift through. 2) How tight *are* you going to be on that third rule? Is it just "it has to be something new"? Or does it have to be substantially different from what's already there? And what's the time requirement on those? Just no reposting anything on the first page of new or hot? Further than that?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xJgRzoFX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-02T07:11:39.924+0000) > > 1) Will there be more moderators to help with increased demand? Especially if duplicate posts are being cut, there's going to be a *lot* more reports that I imagine you guys will have to sift through. I don't think there will be that much of an increase, as we have been moving towards removing low-effort threads more often for a few months now. They're actually pretty easy to remove and we get relatively little pushback, which stands in contrast to some of our other moderation actions. > 2) How tight *are* you going to be on that third rule? Is it just "it has to be something new"? Or does it have to be substantially different from what's already there? And what's the time requirement on those? Just no reposting anything on the first page of new or hot? Further than that? That's something the team is going to have to learn and grow into once the rule is in place. The biggest problems people express about Gameplay are that there's just so much noise that finding anything worth spending time on is really difficult and that there's just too much complaining. Removing low-effort posts more reliably is one prong in our efforts to change things. Encouraging people to explore new concepts is another avenue of attack. I really don't need to see another thread about how the placement of Yasuo outside turret radius after his ult feels like training wheels on an already strong champion, nor is yet another commentary about how Akali's Shroud is super frustrating to play against when you're trying to stay safe under a tower especially interesting to me. I imagine threads like this will get locked at first, so both the moderation team and the community can get used to how things work.
: might as well remove downvoting from the entirety of the boards with that logic {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xJgRzoFX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-02T06:32:22.377+0000) > > might as well remove downvoting from the entirety of the boards with that logic {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} That's a discussion we're having. At this point, the consensus seems to be that GD would be the only place to retain downvoting, as it's part of the culture there.
Aliquid (NA)
: Immediate assistance.
You should put in a support ticket. You should also stop using "Chad" in that way. That's a term from incel culture and it's generally not welcome on the Boards.
: Updating the Gameplay Rules
Some additional thoughts we've been kicking around: * As Gameplay covers a lot of topics, it would be helpful if posters added the topic in the title. _[Items] Proposed Spear of Shojin Changes_ , for example. Obviously, we can't enforce that, but we're discussing some incentives for people who do. * We've talked about doing a showcase of the best posts, either weekly, bi-weekly or monthly. Gameplay+ was a cool idea and produced some great results, but it was also very moderation intensive, as we had to manually review every submission. If you have suggestions about how something like this could be structured, that would be very helpful. * Riot recently gave some insight into their perspective on balancing the game as a whole. We know this is a contentious topic, but arguments that Riot _shouldn't_ balance around one or more of those groups are probably going to be subject to heightened review.
Vegito101 (EUNE)
: Double standards
As I and others tried to explain to you several times, if you see someone else posting something you feel is inappropriate, the correct course of action is to report that content. What they post does not change the fact that your posts were insulting, combative and dismissive. You were also warned that continuing this behavior would result in escalated actions. Also, it is against the rules to post on a smurf to circumvent a Boards ban. This is your one and only warning to stop doing so.
: My post containing the word autism was removed.
>I would appreciate my post being restored because it was only removed for political reasons since the reporting tool has become a weapon to silence speech that some people disagree with. This isn't the case. It was removed because we apply strict scrutiny to a number of terms, "autistic" among them. A moderator reviewed your post and determined you had used it in a trivializing way. No punishment was applied to your boards account. You were simply warned to be more respectful in the future.
: I am toxic. A lot of people are toxic. But, riot... we are still customers.
>But, riot... we are still customers. Actually, they don't want you as customers if you can't manage to abide by their very simple rules. They want you to be better or go away. It's as simple as that. [They've also explained many times why prisoner's island doesn't work and isn't going to be implemented.](https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/01/ask-riot-banished-to-prisoners-island/)
: I Honestly Got 25 Day chat restriction for a pretty bad reason
>I was also protecting my duo queue as he was constantly flamed by her Riot doesn't see it as "protecting". They see it as making an already bad situation worse. In the future, it would be better to stick to MUTE, REPORT, MOVE ON, which is generally the best way to both stop trolls and protect your account.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sOQwLMkB,comment-id=001a00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-26T12:33:09.763+0000) > > I'm not going to quote the rest of it, because it all boils down to "I don't think sexualized representations are a problem because fictionalized environments are meant to be a distraction from reality, so people just ignore them", which I find to be a generally weak argument. How gender is represented in media is a huge deal. Just look at the difference between the way Melissa McCarthy and Jonah Hill have been treated for their weight, though it's worth noting that even Hill has been fat-shamed (https://www.menshealth.com/health/a24064108/jonah-hill-weight-loss-body-image/). I'm simply asking for more of what I enjoy in a video game. I just happen to be doing it in a meme format using "sexist" as a means to describe my gaming habits. And I will gladly admit that I am less likely to play non-female characters as well as further gravitate towards female characters that are top heavy. That's not a crime in any way and I'm not asking anyone else to conform to that style. > By insisting that representation fit your sexualized ideal, you are perpetuating the bias that people who don't meet your expectations should remain as invisible as possible and that fat people should stay out of certain spaces. You're also perpetuating the notion that the purpose of a woman is to be looked at by a man, though that's a theme rampant in most of your posts. Yes, I'm totally asking for every single champion to be female, unrealistically proportioned in some way, and wearing clothes/armor that should be nothing short of tantalizing no matter how unrealistic it is for what they're doing. I don't know why you're utilizing mental gymnastics for that above reasoning, but it's pretty clear you don't like me or my posts and you're letting that bias dictate your moderation actions.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sOQwLMkB,comment-id=001a000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-27T00:23:16.168+0000) > > I don't know why you're utilizing mental gymnastics for that above reasoning, but it's pretty clear you don't like me or my posts and you're letting that bias dictate your moderation actions. I really don't know where you get this idea. It seems like a fragility thing: you don't like being challenged or told no, so you turn it around so that the other person is somehow in the wrong. Here's the thing. The surest sign we're doing our best to be objective is how much of your content we leave up. The ridiculous posts filled with sexualized images intended to push the limits, deliberately inflammatory posts like this one... If we weren't trying so hard to find a balance between self-expression and stuff that isn't good for the boards, content like this would be among the first to go, so it's a little hurtful and insulting to have even the most gentle rebuke met with this kind of response. You're also using a straw man argument. I never said you wanted _all_ the champions to be sexualized. I said your constant insistence that both League and the Boards should always be moving more towards your hyper-specific desires is pretty selfish and it speaks to how you see and value other people, specifically women. Look at it like a group of friends arguing about what to get on a pizza, only one person keeps insisting on anchovies, except in this case the anchovies are crass and demeaning depictions of women. And, yes, when you reduce your appreciation of _**anyone**_, regardless of gender, to their body parts, it's crass and demeaning. In anticipation of your response, there's a distinction between sexy and sexualized. If you look at the MCU movies or Wonder Woman, you see examples of this done relatively well. All of the characters have dimensions outside their sex and that's a really good thing.
: I absolutely feel the need to bump this because I was banned yesterday, and while trying to get clarification about why a 6 year old account with 0 infractions was banned before ever getting a warning or a chat ban, virtually every moderator or support staff I had the displeasure of dealing with acted like the exact trolls that they claim others to be. Uncalled for sarcasm, out of line analogies that are so far fetched the only purpose they serve is to fit the narrative. I actually do slightly disagree with some of your core beliefs to the extent that I don't think people should say things that make other people uncomfortable just for the fun of it. I'm just not that type of cat. I prefer harmony. I do however agree with you that ultimately words are just words and that people are the ones who choose to give them power or ignore them all together. That being said I have just dealt with so many jerks on the moderation and support staff to let you know you aren't alone in your beliefs that they are quite sanctimonious assholes by and large, and that when you bring to them a very rational logic based argument that contradicts their stance they act like 5 year olds and say "because I said so" rather than taking the time to have an intelligent conversation.
> [{quoted}](name=TesticlePrime,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FwjsH2XU,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-05-26T01:45:35.556+0000) > > I absolutely feel the need to bump this because I was banned yesterday, and while trying to get clarification about why a 6 year old account with 0 infractions was banned before ever getting a warning or a chat ban, virtually every moderator or support staff I had the displeasure of dealing with acted like the exact trolls that they claim others to be. Uncalled for sarcasm, out of line analogies that are so far fetched the only purpose they serve is to fit the narrative. I actually do slightly disagree with some of your core beliefs to the extent that I don't think people should say things that make other people uncomfortable just for the fun of it. I'm just not that type of cat. I prefer harmony. I do however agree with you that ultimately words are just words and that people are the ones who choose to give them power or ignore them all together. That being said I have just dealt with so many jerks on the moderation and support staff to let you know you aren't alone in your beliefs that they are quite sanctimonious assholes by and large, and that when you bring to them a very rational logic based argument that contradicts their stance they act like 5 year olds and say "because I said so" rather than taking the time to have an intelligent conversation. I'm going to leave this up for now, but please don't necro.
: As a moderator, I'm offended
Actually, your thread was deleted because it was not appropriate for the Boards, even as "satire". Saying inflammatory things doesn't make them humorous, though that clearly wasn't the intent of the thread. You created a situation in which people either had to respond - triggering moderation for discussions that are not permitted - or let obvious mockery sit and fester. >My genius will be understood - eventually. No, it won't. I left that thread go with a warning based on the relatively low number of actions on your account. This statement makes it obvious you are aware of what you're doing, so any further posts along these lines will be considered to have been created with deliberate and malicious intent. Continuing in this matter _will_ result in escalated responses. If you have questions, please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: > [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sOQwLMkB,comment-id=001a000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-26T01:24:15.705+0000) > > Making legitimately sexist statements and then putting it in the "memes and games" category does NOT justify the statements and doesn't suddenly make it okay. With this logic it would be okay for a player to post explicitly racist things in this category and not be published because it was a 'clear joke since it was on the 'memes and games' boards?' Apparently it's sexist to ask for sexy skins for a specific gender or for more sexualized females champions after the past dozen had avoided it. Even Kai'Sa avoided a lot of the potential sexualization and some people still lost their minds when she had a V neck. > You really don't need a source to realise that a woman with breasts the size of her head, with little to no muscle or fat on her body, would suffer from chronic muscle fatigue if they were to exist in real life. The fact you need a 'credible source' to understand this is laughable. Biology facts: Muscles can be strong without being big. All physical attributes can be trained much like the mind can. Women have different bone and muscle structures from men, leading to the average woman being less physically capable than the average man. Women have been shown to have weaker spatial awareness compared to men. I guess even Biology is sexist, and that's a fact-based science. > What question? The statement about Kotaku that I never even hinted at bringing up and is a completely separate matter? Yes, my fault for not thinking that was at all relevant to our discussion. Clearly it's me who's the idiot. You made the claim that female gamers wanted realistically proportioned and well-written female characters. You did not source this claim and I included several facts that do not support your claim. > https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-12-05/study-women-valued-for-physical-attractiveness - This study shows that over a third of women feel that their appearence is what society values most about them. Over a third of women believe that they're physical appearance is more highly valued than their education, intelligence and personality. Do you think video games and other pieces of media portraying women in such sexual ways, even if it's irrelevant to their character, helps this mindset at all? My guess is probably not. So even if this is intended as 'just a joke' on your end, for the people you're joking about, it's a very VERY serious issue. All of this is refuted on the idea that games are supposed to break away from reality. There are plenty of people these days claiming that games need forced diversity, forced messages and otherwise need to be a platform for telling people how to think BEFORE being a product of entertainment. Those people are the types who want to control you and deprive you of free will. They don't want you to have fun. They don't want you to leave reality for an hour or two by playing something with a setting completely irrelevant to the real world. Besides, ever notice how so many games recycle models between males/females? Pretty unrealistic to expect every man/woman within a race to have the exact same body shape (or one of X specific variants) unless you're somehow a VIP in that particular universe. > Now then, let's move on to a more shocking statistic - the sheer number of women that are unhappy with their appearance. https://metro.co.uk/2016/10/20/three-quarters-of-women-are-unhappy-with-the-way-they-look-6204437/ I've searched through several articles like this and despite the results on this survery stating that over 70% of women are unhappy with how they look, it is actually one of the lowest scores when compared to the others. Other articles claim that potentially 90%+ of women are unhappy with their appearance. However for men, the results seem to suggest that only 20-40% were unhappy with how they look. And we can just as quickly blame media outside of video games. Television shows and Movies generally aren't going to take on newcomers who are unattractive. The older actors get a pass because they've had a history in acting. Advertisements as a whole are also problematic. Right now, I just see you putting all of the blame on video games, where most of it is hand crafted and not based on real people. What bugs me most about that second article is that there is no link to the survey. It just claims it was taken. That comes off as unreliable and therefore does not support your argument. This is what I mean by "source your information". Kotaku will title their articles to make it sound like some issues are bigger than they really are. Rather than "I am offended by this thing" they title it "Fans are offended by this thing" and they do that for the purpose of misrepresenting the facts, aka bias and pushing a message. If an article doesn't source where its information came from, it's not something I will immediately trust. All I know on that article is that the survey was taken in Britain and didn't say how many people were surveyed. They didn't even give the agency who did the surveying. > All I'm saying is there's a reason anorexia and other eating disorders are considerably more common in women than in men and the media's focus on women's appearance is believe to be one of the leading causes. Again, Video Games aren't the only media here and Video Games are predominantly played by men. This is not to mean the industry is male dominated, just more popular with men AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. > So maybe instead of making a 'joke' about sexism in video games, educate yourself and realise that there's a real issue going on in today's society that you are contributing to. Would you make this same joke if you had a daughter or a sister quite literally killing herself because she doesn't believe she is conventionally attractive according to the media's perception of women? I don't play video games to worry about real world issues. I play video games to entertain/challenge myself. If I'm sexist for that, I'll bear that as a badge of honor. Also, there aren't any females who are killing themselves SOLELY over media's perception of women and how they should be portrayed. There's always more to it. It's pretty ignorant to claim that it's solely the fault of media if a female is doing that. Next time, use a little logic. It will go a long way towards making your arguments for you. I don't want to hear any more from you because it's clear that you're not going to put up anything worthwhile.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sOQwLMkB,comment-id=001a0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-26T04:08:31.754+0000) > > Apparently it's sexist to ask for sexy skins for a specific gender or for more sexualized females champions after the past dozen had avoided it. Even Kai'Sa avoided a lot of the potential sexualization and some people still lost their minds when she had a V neck. > > Biology facts: > > Muscles can be strong without being big. > All physical attributes can be trained much like the mind can. > Women have different bone and muscle structures from men, leading to the average woman being less physically capable than the average man. > Women have been shown to have weaker spatial awareness compared to men. I'm not going to quote the rest of it, because it all boils down to "I don't think sexualized representations are a problem because fictionalized environments are meant to be a distraction from reality, so people just ignore them", which I find to be a generally weak argument. How gender is represented in media is a huge deal. Just look at the difference between the way Melissa McCarthy and Jonah Hill have been treated for their weight, though it's worth noting that even Hill has been fat-shamed (https://www.menshealth.com/health/a24064108/jonah-hill-weight-loss-body-image/). By insisting that representation fit your sexualized ideal, you are perpetuating the bias that people who don't meet your expectations should remain as invisible as possible and that fat people should stay out of certain spaces. You're also perpetuating the notion that the purpose of a woman is to be looked at by a man, though that's a theme rampant in most of your posts.
: warnings before being banned. Good idea?
Your "warning" is either a chat restriction or, if you've done something more serious, a 2-week suspension.
: Reminder: "Well Played" is not the same thing as "Good Game"
I always leave it at just, "sorry for your leaver(s)" because it's a fraught situation when it happens to me. I also don't dance, taunt or use emotes in those games.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Question for mods
> [{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=z4liElxR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-22T14:21:10.160+0000) > > How is calling a champion "cancer" any better than calling them "traps"? Neither "cancerous" or "trap" are clear-cut zero tolerance terms, though the latter does come under increased scrutiny by comparison. I should have done a better job of explaining your removal, so let me begin by apologizing. I'm sorry. As to why "trap" in reference to gender nonconforming people is a problem, it's largely because its value and meaning vary _greatly_ by context and setting. Yeah, it can be a perfectly innocuous term used by people discussing anime characters. In that setting, the term is generally okay. The Boards aren't that setting, though. When we're looking at a thing, we have to examine both the most generous interpretation and the worst. Most things fall in between, just as yours did. My first thought upon seeing your thread title - "Why the hell is Zed wearing makeup?" - was "why the hell not?" Then I look at the post and see you accusing the character of being a "trap". The other end of the spectrum is that people who don't follow gender expectations are to be feared and hated. "[Gay panic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense)" is definitely on my list of things I wish I didn't know about, but it is a thing. You should keep in mind that you weren't even issued a warning with that action. It was more intended as, "hey, this is a thing that would probably be better suited for environments where the intent is more clearly understood", so again my apologies for not being more clear. If you have more questions about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: Moderator Censorship
Your post began with the following: >Hello, I would like to know a few things, lately in my games (as of s8 and through this season) have seen a spike of casual pre puber fortniters (11-14) range of players. As per the Player Behavior Rules Update: >While we understand the need to vent from time to time, threads that only serve to start drama and provoke arguments are subject to removal as low-effort per the Universal Guidelines. > >Additionally, threads whose sole intent is to vent, rage, or express displeasure without regard to reform or assistance (i.e., “shitposting”) will be removed per low-effort. We want this Board to be a genuine avenue of reform and guidance, not a whining ground. Referring to other players as "casual pre puber fortniters" counts as only serving to start drama and provoke arguments. Also, you weren't even given a warning; your content was simply removed as not being appropriate for the Board with a reminder to use them more respectfully in the future. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
Xidphel (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=teto god supp,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sFBEMzAL,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-05-19T10:50:05.104+0000) > > His meme says %%%%%% under the word BAIT. > > You can clearly see it. > > Stop defending racism you filthy curs. > > ANOTHER RIOT KKK MEMBER. SHOCKING. Sheesh. Why not act even more overdramatic, you Shakespearean character. Also, you say a RIOT member. That's odd, while I do see a shit person who has no power on the board, I don't see any RIOT member. So here's what I'm gonna do because I'm so nice: I'm going to actually **_DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT_**. And it's not like that thing you do where you find something and immediately connect it to Riot using weak """"""""""""""logic"""""""""""""". **Edit**: Thanks, Ulanopo whom I have spoken to on the [Boards Moderation Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) where you can speak directly to mods about board issues such as this one.
> [{quoted}](name=Xidphel,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sFBEMzAL,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-05-19T13:56:23.827+0000) > > Sheesh. Why not act even more overdramatic, you Shakespearean character. > > Also, you say a RIOT member. That's odd, while I do see a shit person who has no power on the board, I don't see any RIOT member. So here's what I'm gonna do because I'm so nice: > > I'm going to actually **_DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT_**. And it's not like that thing you do where you find something and immediately connect it to Riot using weak """"""""""""""logic"""""""""""""". > > **Edit**: Thanks, Ulanopo whom I have spoken to on the [Boards Moderation Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) where you can speak directly to mods about board issues such as this one. Any time.
: Next time post this in rants please!
> [{quoted}](name=Gorderkiller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B0LeFjOu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-19T02:44:51.254+0000) > > Next time post this in rants please! Just so you know, this is okay in GD, as well.
: Here is a problem I have. This thread has been active for 6 hours, has gotten some attention, but still no moderator addressing the behavior in a positive or negative way. We are encouraged to address problems with moderators, heralds, specialists, and all of those other responsibilities here, but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. There is also zero moderator activity on the post that I linked above, which is actually a relatively controversial post of wrongful player banning and questionable behavior by an appointed "specialist"... and the moderators just sit it out. I think we deserve some moderator comments and activity to get to the bottom of all this... as I understand that is the purpose of these boards. Maybe I'm not being patient enough and they need more time. I'm just genuinely curious about this whole situation. It's a mess.
I personally don't have anything to add to either thread. Do I think Rujitra expressed strong opinions in a tart way? Absolutely, but I don't think they crossed the line into requiring moderation. I also think the OP of that thread is probably disinclined to listen to anything that doesn't support their feeling the ban was unjustified. I read the logs they posted and don't quite understand the ban, but that's something the OP needs to take back to Support, as this is one of those circumstances where we can't really provide clarity. As for addressing Rujitra's statements, you're always welcome to come to the Discord (link on the left) and make your case. You can also report specific posts you find problematic. Those are probably your best avenues, as we're not especially likely to do a public dressing down of anyone.
: Do something about trolls
>Riot needs to step up and prevent people like this from even playing the game in the first place. I'm not even sure how that would work. People already receive 14-day bans for first-time feeding. That's pretty aggressive as is.
: May I join it?
As Djinn mentioned, it's the [NA LoL Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) one. I don't know if you verified, as I kind of went to bed early last night. Once you get verified go to either the #boards-violation-inquiries or #boards- report-room and type @ulanopo or @moderator. I'll be on by about 7-7:30pm EST.
: Hypocrisy
If you want to come to the Discord, I will be more than happy to explain my position on this, as someone who actually grew up on a farm in a very rural area.
: Does anyoen else notice that most chat bans and punishments come after fabricated long lose streaks?
May I introduce you to [Observation Bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer-expectancy_effect) and [Confirmation Bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)? One of the better examples of this was, way back in the day, Lyte asked people to guess how many out of their last 10 matches contained behavior Riot would consider punishable. Most replies were 7-8. The actual number was 0-1.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=kK1XEFpe,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-12T00:42:34.893+0000) > > I highly doubt that would be acceptable either. > > What you seem to not understand is that Riot does not operate in a vacuum. One person does not design a whole champion and then that champion gets put in the game. > > Champions are designed as teams, then a completely separate team tests it internally, changes can be made, repeat that a few times, and **then** it gets put on PBE and then live. > > Attempting to scapegoat one person for something is not constructive and is factually incorrect. No amount of constructive bullshit will make the statement "fire X" any less harsh. The truth is not always great. I don't care if it's against the rules or what you call it disrespectful, but being honest is respectful enough. At least I'm not wishing death or cancer or hell or whatever. People get fired from jobs and go on and seek another one. CT it no different, and it's only a matter if it's deserved, which he does deserve. And why is it called "CertainlyT champions" rather than "ct team champs"??? Because he's the one who makes the unhealthy and toxic mechanics of the champion's kit. Nobody is gonna put the blame on the lore or art team. Those guys are not to blame for toxic champs. Since champions are designed by teams, then apparently ct is designing the mechanics ALONE, otherwise half the shit he add here wouldn't have seen the light of day, and that's what makes me doubt there are even teams. And if that's the case then these teams are all "Yes people" With not a single "no".
>I don't care if it's against the rules or what you call it disrespectful, but being honest is respectful enough. That simply isn't true. Please see the Three Gates of Speech. https://i.imgur.com/dOiP0nu.jpg[/img]
: You don't have to insult anyone. By doing this, you create a toxic atmosphere yourself. Also, mods can't really read every single comment in here. Since you neither got my point nor the point of the post, I would guess that you have some trouble comprehending things you read. Have a nice day.
Mods do read every comment that's reported to them, though. In the future, please be more respectful.
: Proposals for perma banned players
It's worth noting that Riot's statistics suggest rather the opposite of what you're suggesting, which is part of the reason they don't use your method. What they realized is that most people reform after one punishment, _regardless of what that punishment is_. Regardless of whether or not it takes all four steps or you get an escalated ban, the recidivism rate for people who get to permaban is in the ballpark of 90%.
Pray (NA)
: why was i given a two week ban for this??
As the OP has received feedback and is now bumping the thread in hopes of receiving Riot attention (which is unlikely to come), it has been locked. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: 14 day suspension for calling an opponent a flaming %%% because they first all chatted to our team
Using a homophobic slur is a pretty weak play there. I mean, if your purpose really was to show solidarity with your mid and get in some friendly ribbing, why not show a little more creativity? I've said things like, "have you considered breathing through your nose once in a while?" and "If I had a time machine with only one use, I'd go back and hand your parents the $5 for the name-brand condoms." I'm not saying harass people, but you should work on upping your playful banter game.
: Perma banned for nothing?
As there is no productive discussion that can come from this thread, it has been locked. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: Make purposefully not speaking English in E.U Reportable.
As this isn't a thing and the OP seems to have simply skipped off after dropping a bomb, this thread has been locked. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
y0r1ck (NA)
: Uranus(not the real name) didn't read my post before moderating it
You're not clever. Not even remotely so. >Uranus the mod, failed to read my post before moderating it. Not true. You had three comments removed that day: >You wholeheartedly believe Rosa Parks should have accepted the consequences? You wholeheartedly believe people who got tricked into saying mean things by trolls should accept the consequences? If you believe these things, be ready to face the consequences... This comment was removed under "political/social", as bringing a historical figure into the discussion is unhelpful because it invites impermissible discussions about politics. In this case, it could easily have led to questions about what consequences Rosa Parks suffered and whether or not they were appropriate. I dare say, other than me - _who actually met Rosa Parks here in Detroit_ - there probably aren't many people on the Boards who are familiar enough to make that comparison. This was the critical line from the second: >If you think I was being pushy, pull up your diapers. The comment was removed under "Civil Discussions" because, at that point, you were going back and forth with another user. The third comment included: >I'll take "what is reading comprehension for 300." This was also removed under "Civil Discussions". It's important to remember that none of these actions came with a suspension - or even a warning. They were simply removed with a reminder to use the Boards in a more respectful manner. If you continue to have questions about what happened, please feel free visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
: > [{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GcThn9Hn,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-10T13:20:26.200+0000)What if I spoil the current episode, but say that I'm spoiling the previous episode? Would some mod verify for themselves the person is actually spoiling the current episode and not the previous one? I would recommend avoiding this. I can assure you that *someone* on the moderation team will be up to date on Game of Thrones and able to address this appropriately as the spoiler it is.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GcThn9Hn,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-05-10T13:27:14.679+0000) > > I would recommend avoiding this. I can assure you that *someone* on the moderation team will be up to date on Game of Thrones and able to address this appropriately as the spoiler it is. I would be "some one". _(That's a reference, for those of you that aren't familiar with the show and, yes, there will be at least one member of the moderation team who is a rabid fan )_ {{sticker:galio-happy}}
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8KAOwPRU,comment-id=000100000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-09T00:21:48.635+0000) > > I understand that, but most sexual harassment procedures follow exactly the same path and time frame as any other civil infraction, like libel as an example. While California may have strict laws regarding sexual harassment they are mostly definitional. That is, they explain what is considered harassment in a detailed and exhaustive way, mostly because the people who don't believe sexual harassment is a thing will nitpick. Various laws in California and legal opinions issued by state judges greatly expand workplace sexual harassment being a criminal act. However, it is generally agreed by the public that it’s unlikely it ever rose to that level. As such, there’s no reason the employees cannot use arbitration to settle their civil claims. If a criminal act took place, they can use the criminal system and should. If no criminal act took place, they can use arbitration and should. Instead, the employees are walking out and acting childish instead of using the systems put in place to deal with civil claims of such a nature. They furthermore refuse to accept the outcome of Riot’s investigation and Riot’s actions because they don’t like them. Imagine if I decided that a certain employee wronged me. I then went on a crusade to get that employee fired, even after Riot determined that the actions of said employee did not rise to the level of firing being an appropriate response. Would I not be considered to be a childish and immature person by these very boards? You can’t always get exactly what you want in life. It is unfair to say that these supposed “victims” deserve their opinions taken over those of everyone else. It is unfair to say that their desire to see someone fired and to not use arbitration outweighs the other person’s right to maintain their job against potentially blown out of proportion accusations and/or against the benefits of arbitration over a court case. It is unfair for them to decide that they suddenly do not like the contract they signed simply because they didn’t get their way.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8KAOwPRU,comment-id=0001000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-09T00:33:31.243+0000) > > Various laws in California and legal opinions issued by state judges greatly expand workplace sexual harassment being a criminal act. However, it is generally agreed by the public that it’s unlikely it ever rose to that level. As such, there’s no reason the employees cannot use arbitration to settle their civil claims. > > If a criminal act took place, they can use the criminal system and should. If no criminal act took place, they can use arbitration and should. Instead, the employees are walking out and acting childish instead of using the systems put in place to deal with civil claims of such a nature. They furthermore refuse to accept the outcome of Riot’s investigation and Riot’s actions because they don’t like them. > > Imagine if I decided that a certain employee wronged me. I then went on a crusade to get that employee fired, even after Riot determined that the actions of said employee did not rise to the level of firing being an appropriate response. Would I not be considered to be a childish and immature person by these very boards? You can’t always get exactly what you want in life. It is unfair to say that these supposed “victims” deserve their opinions taken over those of everyone else. It is unfair to say that their desire to see someone fired and to not use arbitration outweighs the other person’s right to maintain their job against potentially blown out of proportion accusations and/or against the benefits of arbitration over a court case. It is unfair for them to decide that they suddenly do not like the contract they signed simply because they didn’t get their way. This is an argument that, sadly, isn't going to get much traction from me. My father was a union steward for more than 30 years and I myself have been a part of three unions, most notably the Teamsters when helping move sets as part of theater productions. The power to walk out in protest is a thing, even if there may be repercussions. I think it's unfair to say that the people contemplating a walkout are being childish. If these people want to risk their livelihoods to make a statement and to stand up for themselves/each other, more power to them. As someone who sits in at hiring/firing meetings in a Right to Work state, I'm very aware of the shitty things companies do to people and, in turn, the shitty things people do to each other. About three years ago, a guy not on my team made the comment, "Trannies aren't even people. I think Hitler had the right idea about them" to a trans person on my team. Within an hour, I was packing his personal items while he sat bawling with security in reception. My belief will always be that _that_ is the way you deal with harassment. You rip it out like the vile weed it is and if anybody thinks that's "too much", you stand up to them. You live your values - or they aren't really values.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E4s6BGIM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-08T22:31:17.213+0000) > > It definitely should pass. It IS gambling. Skirting the law by making it online is manipulative and just as wrong as it would be for casinos to allow minors. How is it gambling? Loot boxes are **not** a “game of chance”. If you think loot boxes are gambling, you should also think that “Monopoly at McDonalds” or similar games are gambling. You’re buying a **guaranteed minimum** and possibly getting more than that guaranteed minimum. That’s not gambling - that’s *extra*.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E4s6BGIM,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-08T22:33:22.821+0000) > > How is it gambling? Loot boxes are **not** a “game of chance”. If you think loot boxes are gambling, you should also think that “Monopoly at McDonalds” or similar games are gambling. > > You’re buying a **guaranteed minimum** and possibly getting more than that guaranteed minimum. That’s not gambling - that’s *extra*. You are correct that loot boxes are not gambling as long as there is a known minimum return, but Monopoly at McDonald's isn't ever going to be gambling because the tickets are something you get along with your purchase. It still is a game of chance, though, and subject to a whole bunch of laws and restrictions. There's a history of cheating the McDonald's Monopoly game. It's interesting and you should look it up.
: Riot Employees walkout
Good evening everyone. I just spent some time cleaning up this thread and I'd like to remind everyone to keep it civil and avoid terms and discussions that are not allowed on the Boards. If you're attacking or insulting another poster, you're doing it wrong. If you have questions, please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
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